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What Did Eve Do Wrong

Eve's problem didn't begin when she ate the fruit, Eve's problem began when she swallowed the lie of the devil. What else did she do wrong? What can we learn from Eve's mistakes?

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James, you are welcome. I am really imperfect, but when I look around at what heretics and atheists are trying to pass off onto Christians, I feel I have to stand up, half dressed as it were, to defend the faith. The famous Chinese Warrior says in The Art of War, don't feel you have to get the soldiers in tip top condition before joining the battle. Everyone can do something. I am sorry about your cousin. My cousin is seriously ill - with cancer, male, same age, big family.
---frances008 on 6/11/08


Francis and Rebecca, thanks much for your wonderful replies. I guess if one has been born again and commits a sin then they are forever lost, which is called 'spiritual death'. It's hard for me to understand this, but I am trying. Oh, a cousinof mine, age 57 died a few weeks ago because of Dr.'s giving her different drugs that caused her death. So sad! Left behind children.
---james on 6/11/08


James: No I didn't say we couldn't test the bible, cause what God done way back then, he do again if one asks. I said that one shouldn't question God's word. And that was/is what you are doing. Spiritual death is when a person had been born again but backslid on God. They are still living in the flesh, but are spiritually dead cause God doesn't live in them anymore. Romans 8:6-11, 1 Tim 5:6, 1 Jn 5:12. Spiritual death is in the bible.
---Rebecca_D on 6/11/08


James, when God identifies Himself to you, you will want to follow Him even if it costs you your life. There is something about the Truth that is very attractive and, once you experience the Holy Spirit of Truth, you will be transformed. It is not a matter of force, but of sudden realization. I had a road to Damascus experience in my living room while I was watching the TV.
---frances008 on 6/11/08


I was not praying or even thinking about God. I felt COMPELLED to obey God even though it is very dangerous to say these things. Without God (Jesus) we are nothing, and have no hope. I realized that there is lots of work to do, in putting the truth before people. I could not wait because nobody else seemed to be doing it. I got to action actually immediately (as soon as I had recovered from being given unsuitable drugs by my doctor in the following weeks which almost cost me my life.)
---frances008 on 6/11/08




Thank's Frances for your answers. I listen closely what others write, if it has to do with secret societies, and matters of man, I think they are important, but its about the work and word of man, but not the Word of God. You said, "We are all under sin, and yet actively some of us seek God." I wanted to make sure that the "some" you are refering to are the believers. Because the lost don't seek after God. They are spiritually dead. The absence of God in their hearts.
---Mark_V. on 6/10/08


#2. Romans 3:9-18 says, "There is none righteous, no, not one. There is none who understands, There is none who seeks after God, etc." The none seeks, clearly implies that the world's false religions are fallen man's attempts to escape the true God-and not to seek Him. Man's natural tendencey is to seek his own interest. (Phil. 2:21), but his only hope is for God to seek him (John 6:37,14). It is only as a result of God's work in the heart that anyone seeks him (Psa. 16:8, Matt. 6:33).
---Mark_V. on 6/10/08


Up pops another one! People cannot take the truth can they? The thing is that to accept Salvation you need to stop listening to the devil. That was Eve's downfall.
---frances008 on 6/9/08


Acts 9.8 ...when his eyes were opened, he saw no man but they led him by the hand to Damascus.
v9 ...he was three days without sight......v 18 ...immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales. (King James Version)
---frances008 on 6/10/08


Rebecca, are you saying we can't test the bible? wow! that's a new one. What is 'spiritual death'? Is this something you made up? Adam was created mortal (so was Eve). The ONLY thing to keep them alive was the tree of life!
And Francis/Ken, the God I know does NOT force anyone to be His apostle/servant by blinding them. I am looking for people to be accurate with the bible.
---james on 6/9/08




Ken, GEE! I am sorry! I forgot that we have to get under the Roman Catholic Church system and be mind controlled. Gee, I started thinking for myself. I will immediately recant and go to my room and read whatever religious book you recommend. I had been reading too much of my Bible recently. I guess it puts ideas into my head and that is strictly against the NWO rule - I mean to think independently which is what I do. Regardless of what anyone says.
---frances008 on 6/9/08


Correction: I incorrectly stated Saul's status in Rome. He was a Pharisee. I also incorrectly stated that Jesus changed Saul's name. I'm very sorry for the error.
---Ken on 6/9/08


James: No your not nit-picking, your questioning God's word that is what you do. In Genesis 3:1-5 it talks about where Satan spoke to Eve and deceiving her. He told her a lie that she shall not surely die and that she will be like gods because she obtained knowledge. Eve didn't die that day, but she did die spiritually as did Adam. She did eat of the tree of good and evil to obtain more knowledge. Then she gave it to Adam. Gen 3:6-7. Your missing alot out of these verses.
---Rebecca_D on 6/9/08


frances008,
Where do you get this stuff, out of your own head? Saul, was a Jew. He was also a Roman soldier who hated Christians and murdered thousands. Christ shown Himself as a bright light, immediately changed Saul's name to Paul and completely blinded him for three days as a consequence of his persecution against Christ.
---Ken on 6/9/08


Dear Mark V, this is my last word. Our souls were created by God and belong to Him. You could say we are his intended bride, but some people have decided using their vast intelligence, that they don't need God. They have instigated a divorce that God does not want. It is their choice. When one partner wants a divorce, what can the other one do????
---frances008 on 6/8/08


God will reveal himself to the most ardant atheist if that atheist has an open heart. If that atheist says 'If you exist reveal yourself'. But they don't want to believe. Others want to believe but have various problems like they are deceived and they are not intelligent enough to figure it out. But this is where forums, evangelizing etc comes in. And yet Christians will step up and tell me to Keep Quiet, when the Antichrist's Conspiracy is in full flow.
---frances008 on 6/8/08


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We are all born under sin, and yet some of us actively seek God. Others don't want to. Paul persecuted Christians, but he thought he was doing it for God, so God took pity on him and revealed himself to Paul in an undeniable way, by blinding him for several hours and semi-blinding him for days. It was a frightening thing to go through.
---frances008 on 6/8/08


To me, in the end it comes down to spirits. Do you entertain evil spirits through your sin or not. That is the thing. Get rid of sin and the deceiving spirits will leave you and you will be enlightened. (Not you, Mike V) I mean everyone.
---frances008 on 6/8/08


You might be born with intelligence, you might be born into a godly family, maybe circumstances, maybe friends lead you to God, maybe you tried out other religions and found them all false. There are a zillion ways to Jesus. The vehicle I came on was Catholicism, which I had to get out of in order to be a full Christian.
---frances008 on 6/8/08


The ticket to Heaven is extremely expensive, if you want to go there, that is. If you believe in it. But Jesus paid the price. We can accept the gift, and become a full Bible Believing Christian, or we can say 'Well, I don't think what Jesus did was enough so I will save myself too (works)' or we can say 'You believe in that (expletive)?' or we can say 'Hmm, I accept this part, but I don't believe that part.' It is up to us. Free choice.
---frances008 on 6/8/08


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It is true that Jesus knows who His People are already, from the foundation of the world. But we don't know. For all we know once we have done the witnessing, many strong persecutors of Christians will be turning to God. I had a word from God that 'Freemasons will turn back to God'. Predestination, on its own is a dangerous doctrine. We don't know who those people are until Judgement Day.
---frances008 on 6/8/08


Mark V thank you for patiently explaining all that to me. But I cannot believe that God made some people for destruction. Maybe it is my Catholic background. I believe that those who earnestly seek to be like God can be saved even in a wrong system, whereas those who earnestly oppose God will be destroyed because they chose to be perverted in character. Like the Israelites when they chose to worship Baal, and God gave them over to depravity.
---frances008 on 6/8/08


God is good, wanting all to be saved. But he is also just. That means people condemn themselves. God does not do the condemning, it is their own actions that condemn them. Because God is just he has to treat everyone the same. He gives us laws to live by and if we break them we die by them. Then, after the fulfulment of the Law, he gave us all-encompassing laws that included the old Laws, and again, if we choose to ignore these laws, we condemn ourselves.
---frances008 on 6/8/08


What Jesus did was bring us a new Covenant with the same O.T. God. This Covenant brought in Love. Now the criteria for passing was perhaps harder, but on the other hand we were freed from sticking to the letter of the Law as in ritual things, traditions etc.
---frances008 on 6/8/08


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Thus, if anyone accepted Jesus, it was easier to get to Heaven. Then again, those who reject Jesus, when we keep on witnessing to them, they reject through their own free will, because they want to be free to do evil and not have to face any after-death consequences. They think that saying God is not there will sort out all their problems.
---frances008 on 6/8/08


Please someone, show me the lie that the serpent spoke? How can you state this without providing the evidence to support your statment? Eve was not killed on the day she ate it, nor did she die the 2nd death. Her eyes were opened and she did learn good and evil and would have been like the gods if she had of eaten from the tree of life. What am I missing here? Yes, I am nit-picking, but that is what I do.
---james on 6/7/08


Those who choose to put their faith in other than God, and blaspheme against God, saying He does not exist, are captive to Satan. God hands them over to Satan, but He does this because they refuse to accept His Commandments and His Holy Spirit. When Christians say 'Look, excuse me, you are behaving badly because you do not see, so let me show you.' And they refuse to be taught, that is their will and they condemn themselves. They prefer their sins to God, and they are actually manifesting demons.
---frances008 on 6/6/08


Emcee, thank you for partially agreeing with me. Unfortunately man messes up all the time. First listening to a weak woman, then in Abraham listening to Sarah, then in popes listening to the devil. I guess men will always mess up. Women certainly should not be boss, they should follow the real boss, Jesus.
---frances008 on 6/6/08


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Mark V, forgive me. I am not very quick, although once I am made aware and fully am convinced of the truth, I will run with it through thick and thin. For now I will not argue with you but will pray, study and think. Thank you for your considered reply. Bless you.
---frances008 on 6/6/08


Frances, you are right in that everyone in the world has freedom of choice. But his actions come from his will. But what will he has is not free. When he decides to make a choice, he make choice by his desires and incentives at the time. And those desires is what God judges us by. If the person had a free will, he would not have any desires whatsoever. And God could not judge him right or wrong. We are guilty before God for having those evil desires when we make the choice which makes us guilty.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/08


#2. Frances: The lost also have freedom of choice, but their will is enslave to sin. They are spiritually dead. The know not God. When they make their choices, their choices will never be for God. They can do what they want, but they will never wants God. The bible tells us, "Among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of Wrath." By Nature.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/08


#3 Frances: The lost are contolled by the flesh, the mind, and Satan. God is no where in their hearts or thoughts, or in their will. So God comes along and awakens this Spiritually dead person and gives him life. He breaks them from the enslavment of sin, and brings light to them. Light to the things of God. Now they have freedom of choice, but their will is not enslaved. The cannow make choices for God because God is not in their hearts. God still judges believers but does not condemn them.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/08


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#4. Frances: When we are saved, God does not remove our sinful nature. He begans to transform us. He would not be able to judge the believer right or wrong if the believer didn't have that sinful nature. He gives you the freedom now to make choices, but the choices you make include God. We still struggle with the flesh and many times we make wrong choices that are sinful. If the will was completely free from any desires we would not make a choice and God could not judge us right or wrong.
---Mark_V. on 6/6/08


#5. frances: Here is an example that comes from the blog where Athiest is answering. He has freedom of choice, but his will is enslaved. He has no desire whatsoever to speak for God. And the one's answering are answering on behalf of God, because of their desire for God. Athiest will never speak for God until God brings him to the light. He needs an awakening and the gift of faith to believe not only that there is a God, but to believe "In God"
---Mark_V. on 6/6/08


Frances008:You got that right.Satan found it easier to manipulate women so so he thought.God punished Man work and Toil till you sweat like a horse!!!Women did get the choice , but God evened the score!!!Do as he says ?Whose the Boss?!
---Emcee:: on 6/5/08


It is like this: God makes the rules that we can live by, and if we break those rules they lead to death. Free choice. God warned us beforehand. He is nothing if not fair. He sends people to warn us all the time. Ignore them and see where it gets you. Disobey the rules and God turns you over to Satan to be taught a lesson.
---frances008 on 6/5/08


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Satan went to the Weakest link in the Chain!
Satan knew that he could USE her to MANipulate Man ,
And still use's that stratagy today!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/5/08


Every day, I see the same people on CN, including myself.
It's been that way for years and years. I don't think you have a choice, I think you're riveted to this site. I don't think you could leave it if you tried. I've not seen any evidence to support that claim to date. I think as long as your fingers can type, you couldn't pull yourself away if you tried, maybe during sleeping hours. :-)
..in the middle of the night..a rat-a tat tat.
---lisa on 6/5/08


Mark ... What i find so difficult to understand is how Go was not rendered impotent when He allowed Adam & Eve have free will, whilst he would be rendered impotent by allowing us to say, "Yes please, I will accept Jesus" ?
Why was God still omnipotent when Adam & Eve sinned, condemning every subsequent human being (except a very few)..
Whereas you claim He would lose his authority if He allowed us a choice as to whether to accept or reject His rescue plan?
---alan_of_UK on 6/5/08


Adam was the wrongdoer. He listened to a woman who was listening to the devil. He had no sense of God's order, in which he control his household and get them to all obey God. Eve was weak, but Adam was more to blame. The devil attacked at Adam's weak point, his wife. How often today a man can receive the word of God from a street preacher, but the wife will say 'No, I am the boss, we are not going that way. We already have our little plans.' (Her plans.)
---frances008 on 6/4/08


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Every day I gets up. I goes to my computer. I thinks....now I can either go on ChristiaNet, or I can go on BBC/CNN/CIA. Free choice. I later can either say my prayers, do my Bible reading or I can read the latest Hollywood gossip. I can then either go shopping or lie down and take it easy. I can tell my husband I am on strike, or I can do the necessary work to keep the house going, which will please my husband. As far as I can see we have free will, even women.
---frances008 on 6/4/08


Yes, the Bible says we are trapped in a cruel web. It is true. There are so many systems set up to send us to damnation. Even the Bible has different translations. We have to be warriors, alert and smart. Thereby we save ourselves and our household, and Proverbs says a wise man can save his country. ONE wise person. Taoism has the same philosophy. So yes, we have free choice. That is the problem. We abuse it too often.
---frances008 on 6/4/08


Mark, I have not suggested that you said men have free will ... you have never said that.
BUT you say Adam & Eve had free will.
And God gave Satan free will.
---alan_of_UK on 6/4/08


Alan, any kind of will from man, can never overrule the will of God, whether free, or not free. God never stops been Sovereign. When God wants to save someone, and someone answers that their will or their free will can resist God, is to claim their will is more powerful then God. And that can never be. If it could then God would not be God, they would be God. And that is not possible. When Adam and Eve were given free will, God never stopped been Sovereign.
---Mark_V. on 6/4/08


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#2. Alan: My comments are to the comments made concerning their salvation. They speak as if they had free will, which they don't, to do what they want and that God cannot, because of their free will, stop them. They have carried this free will, to the point of making God impotent. So my responses are to proof there is no such thing as free will for fallen men first, that they are in bondage to their desires and nature and especailly to their father the Devil, and that God is Sovereign always.
---Mark_V. on 6/4/08


Eve..full of herself.
Even the elect can be deceived. If you were Eve, you would have fallen exactly as Eve fell. She was talking with the devil himself, face to face.
Now, he's showing up disguised as an angel of light and you know what?
People are falling for him, hook, line and sinker. Entire churches, ministers galore filling the pews, and not a single one able to distinguish an angel from a demon.
So I wouldn't say too much about the weakness of Eve, grown men are dropping like flies.
---lisa on 6/4/08


Again Emcee, before making a comment for the purpose of and the intend of rediculing me, it is sin. You see you acted out of your desires. It was not from God. I never said I was in bondage to my free will. Can you read English or should I write it in Spanish? I am in bondage to Christ. How can I be in bondage to Christ and be in Bondage to Satan? All lost are in bondage to Satan. If you have an answer make it worthy for the glory of God, not for your glory. It would help you understand more of God.
---Mark_V. on 6/4/08


Eve was full of herself. Not only that she swallows the devils lie, but when he presented to her, that she will be like God (Gen 3:5). She jumped on that opportunity, but only to find out that theres only ONE GOD. I believe that her action paints a vivid picture of us today. We may not say with our own words that we want to be like God. But our life tells it all, when we live this life without God.
---Kimberly_E_Walker on 6/4/08


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#2. Alan, when I answered you that I never said men had a free will, I meant all fallen men after the fall. Adam and Eve did have a free will. They had no complusion or incentive or desire to sin. God created them without a sin nature. The minute God gave them the command to obey or disobey, it opened the possibility for them to make a choice. We don't know how long they stayed that way. They had to stay obedient because there was no desire complusion, or incentive to disobey.
---Mark_V. on 6/4/08


#3. Alan: In a later time Satan shows up, and he tempts Eve, she then had a desire to sin and most of all an incentive to be like God. She in turn gave to Adam and his desire was to listen to the women and disobey God.
---Mark_V. on 6/4/08


Mark ... "First of all I have never said that man has a free will"
I know that very well ... Please do me the courtesy of reading my posts.
The whole point is that you have never said that man has free will.
But you have said that Adam & Eve had free will.
So presumably God suspended his Absolute Sovereignty to allow that for A & E.
---alan_of_UK on 6/4/08


Mark ... So God suspended his sovereignty to allow Adam & Eve free will, so that they could disobey Him.
He knew they would disobey Him, and that this would cause all subsequesnt humanity to be sinful.
But while he allowed free will so that this could happen, he does not allow freewill so that people can accept His plan for salvation from that sinful state.
At least that is what I think is the implication of what you say.
Or have I misunderstood yuo?
---alan_of_UK on 6/4/08


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MarkV:: If you feel you are in bondage to your free will then you are the only one who fits the bill of inevitable destruction,as you are being lead on a rope to perdition dancing all the way like an entertaining bear.You have allowed yourself to be trapped.Go to confessionYou need Helpthis is MY ADVICE.You Have a free will and the only one who can take it away is satan if you allow him.Jesus said "Begone satan"you can do the sameand act on it.
---Emcee on 6/4/08


Thanks Ramon, I agree that each one has the ability to choose, what is right and wrong. But having that ability and when choosing, that ability is free, is not true. I read all through Scripture the opposite. That is why I ask you to show me where one of the early fathers said the will of men was. You put emphasis in your answer. Is that emphasis from you are from them? You are talking about the ability of men to make a choice. Sure he is not in chains, are tide up, he has freedom.
---Mark_V. on 6/4/08


#2. Ramon: The thoughts of the fathers are like mine. Each person can excerise this abilities. They are all able to choose. But when someone chooses, he is influence by a desire or incentive. If someone made a spontaneous choice without any desire or influnece of any kind, God could not judge him right or wrong. God judges the heart. Before a person can commit an act of sin he must first have a desire to perform the act. The Bible tells us that evil thoughts flow from evil desires.
---Mark_V. on 6/4/08


#3. Ramon: The very presence of evil is sin. We sin because we are sinners. We are born with a sin nature since the fall. All lost have no ability or incentive to follow God. Strictly speaking we may say that man has free will only in a sense that he is not under any outside compulsion which interfers with his freedom of choice or his accountability, but in his fallen state he is in bondage not only to sin, but spontaneously follows Satan.
---Mark_V. on 6/4/08


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#4. Scripture: "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of the world, according to the prince and power of the air, the spirit "who now works in the sons of disobedience." The sons of disobedience are the lost. Paul goes on to say, to make it clear he is talking about him and all the believers, " Among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lust of the flesh,
---Mark_V. on 6/4/08


#5. "and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath" This people were in bondage even of their minds. How could they have been free? They had choices but never for God, they were doing the desires of their father, satan.
---Mark_V. on 6/4/08


Alan, You are hopeless. First of all I have never said that man has a free will. Second my arguements are that men's power can never overrule God. If a person had the ability to overrule God then God is not Sovereign. If not Sovereign, not God, and we would all be athiest. No matter how much you disagree with me, God has clearly shown to everyone that can see and hear, that He is Completely Supreme Ruler of all things. When people start to bring Him down from His diety, they are becoming athiest.
---Mark_V. on 6/4/08


#3 It will be hard (and will take up space in this blog) to quote every writings of the Holy Fathers of the Church, but generally, they all agree that man have the ability to choice life or death, it is rooted in his nature. Our First Parents, even in there state of Holiness, had freedom to choice. Even after Ancestral Sin enter into the world, man still process freedom of choice.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
In IC.XC,
Ramon
---Ramon on 6/4/08


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#2 As far as the Fathers, they were in agreement that every human being have the ability to choose [free will]. For example, Saint Justin wrote, "[...] He made the human race with the power of thought and of choosing the truth and doing right[...] (c.160, ANF 1.172). "God has always preserved freedom and the power of self-government in man" (St. Irenaeus c.180 ANF 1.480). "We [...] have believed and are saved by voluntary choice" (St Clement of Alexdria c.195, ANF 2.217)
---Ramon on 6/4/08


Clearly Emcee, the reason I answer here is because the Spirit of God which is now my life influences me guides me, corrects me, and continuely everyday feeds me with God's Word. It is not free at all, it is in bondage to the One I love, Jesus Christ. All of my desires are to please God. I know I don't every second. There is times when something happens and something else give me the desire and I fail God. When I was lost I was in bondage to sin, and my desires and influences were never for God.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/08


#2. Emcee: My answer to you is no, I do not have a free will. I still have a sin nature and my will sometimes responses to the sin nature but it is not in bondage to it anymore as it once was. All Born again Christians are not in bondage to sin anymore, that is awesome. I pray that one day you will understand this truths. Thank you for your question to me.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/08


Mark V. First, if "free will" mean that God gives humans the opportunity to make choices that genuinely affect their destiny, then, yes, human beings do have a free will. This is seen throughout Scriptures (man's choice have consequences, i.e., The Flood, Deut 30:19,20 etc). Second, we are made "in according to His [God] image", which will naturally includes man's "free will".

Of course, within man's free will, there is God's Sovereign ability of Omniscience.
---Ramon on 6/4/08


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MarkV ::What did it cost you to excercise your thoughts here which is termed as your free will did God or satan or anyone influence you to post?
---Emcee on 6/3/08


Mark V All along yuor main argumanet agaisnt us having FreeWill is that if we did have it, it would mean God was not Sovereign.
Now you say that Adam & Eve had free will. That seems to me that you beleive that for A & E, God abdicated His Sovereignty.
---alan_of_UK on 6/3/08


Mark V All along yuor main argumanet agaisnt us having FreeWill is that if we did have it, it would mean God was not Sovereign.
Now you say that Adam & Eve had free will. That seems to me that you beleive that for A & E, God abdicated His Sovereignty.
---alan_of_UK on 6/3/08


Kathr, You say, "Even Cain was given a second chance" I ask you again, did Cain use his free will? you just said he was given. Who gave it to him? God. What would happen if God had not given? So it was God who was in control here, not Cain. Did Cain respond wrong? Yes he did.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/08


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Ramon, it is interesting that you answered. I do like the way you answer. I have one question for you, first of all where in Scripture does it state that man's will is free? Just one passage. Another thing I want to ask, did the early church fathers ever state that men had a free will? You have the information handy that I don't have. I would like to know where in the church age, the Church said that men was not depraved, Fallen since free means, not under the control or power of another.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/08


Ricky, God did not have a backup plan. Just in case the first one fail, and then moved to another. He never fails. He never makes mistakes, He is Omnipotent. What you are saying that God is learning as He goes. If He knew His first plan would fail, why did He make it in the first place? You make no sense. You sacrifice the diety of God to satisfy your theology.
---Mark_V. on 6/3/08


Alan, my response to you will be short. Adam and Eve were two, humans who had free will. Free, in that it was not influenced or controlled by another, having complete liberty. All humans after the fall of Adam are slaves to sin, under the power of the prince of the air, children of the devil. Their will is not free. All believers do not have a free will either, but they are not slaves to sin anymore, and are now children of God though they sin because they still have a sin nature.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/08


#2. Alan: When you die as a Christian the promise is that you will be glorified and holy. All others will burn in hell. You will be free from any influences like sin of the flesh, or the temptations of Satan. I could give you hundreds of Scriptures that indicate the condition of men but it would take too long.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/08


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I expect When I am in heaven, I will be given the choice of what instrument to play ... trumpet or harp. or just my voice.
---alan_of_UK on 6/2/08


Yes God knew what Adam & Eve were going to do, but He did not plan that. As a matter of fact, He had a back up plan. Since He knew what they were going to do He had sacrifice.(Genesis 3,21)
He gave them a free-will not because it was His plan for them to sin, but that they could fellowship with Him.
---Rickey on 6/2/08


Even in heaven we will still have a free-will. God hasn't and will not change. Just as He gave Lucifer a free-will, He will do the same for us. Only difference is that our sin-nature will be done away with. We will be perfected(spirit, soul, & body) & won't have sin in or around us.
---Rickey on 6/2/08


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