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Rapture Of Loved Ones

When will we find out if our loved ones made it in the rapture or not?

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If they don't make it you won't know, there will be no death,no sorrow ,no crying. Rev21

Rapture or the catching up scripture 1Thess.4, 1Cor.15
---michael_e on 4/11/10


2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

I do not see any difference in meaning, or timing, or in activity of these two verses.
---francis on 4/9/10


John N. Darby and his associate Scoffield are the people who first introduced the idea of the Secret coming of JESUS as a Christian doctrine. They are the ones who adopted futurism from the Roman Catholic church and combined it with Dispensationalism which they started. Finally they added that the prophecies to Israel the nation were unconditional and the 70 weeks not finished with the gap theory. Which is how we got the Pretribulation school of Eschatology.

Hal Lindsey is still the main modern proponet but since his predictions based on it have all fallen through He is not as well read today.
---Samuel on 4/9/10


Francis:

You confuse the eternal reign of God the Father on earth within the NJ with the 1000 year reign of Jesus after the Tribulation. They are NOT the same.

Read 2 Peter chapter 3. There are two days described in 2 Peter, the first is the Day of the Lord with is also described in the OT and the NT all over the place. This day includes Isaiah 11 and the 1000 year reign of Jesus.

The second day is described as the Day of God. This is not the same day as the Day of the Lord. The Day of God is that day when the tabernacle of God is eternally with man, after the heavens and the earth has been remade by fire.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/9/10


I am not sure who came up with the idea that christ is coming to earth to reign for 1000 years, then have his reign interupted, then continue and reign again forever.

At a glance, all believers can see the flaw in that concept. Christ is coming back in POWER and GLORY and he will have his reign interupted?

Let me ask a few questions on this:
What will interupt the 1000 year reign?

For how long will this reign be interupted?

If his glory shines so that the unrepented will die at the brightness of his coming, who of the unrighteous will stand in his presence duringthe 1000 years?

What type of judgment is he exercising?

who exactly is he judging?
---francis on 4/9/10




When does this take place? I am sure you will say after the NJ comes down. But, we have no Scripture to confirm that opinion. However, the 1000 year reign of Jesus definitely confirms this.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/8/10

There will be no Lions and lambs, or asps in heaven. those creatures are for earth when God recreates again.

only one scripture in the bible referrences the 1000 year period, and that is Revelation 20. That segment of revelation is sequention. Starting with the 1st ressurection -> then 1000 year judgment-> second resurrection and descending of the NJ.

After the NJ descend, then and only then does the bible declare that the tabanacle of God is with man, but the 1000 year reign occurc before that.
---francis on 4/9/10


Francis:

In Isaiah 11, Jesus is commonly identified as the "shoot from the stem of Jesse" and the chapter continues on that "He will not judge by what His eyes see". The wolf will dwell with the lamb, the calf will lie down with the lion and a child will lead them.

In addition to this, it says that "They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD' and "The nations will resort to the root of Jesse".

When does this take place? I am sure you will say after the NJ comes down. But, we have no Scripture to confirm that opinion. However, the 1000 year reign of Jesus definitely confirms this.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/8/10


---mima on 4/8/10 The second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ will happen in two different stages. In stage one, which is really the rapture, Jesus comes in the clouds and we go to meet him.

In the second stage he comes to Earth physically and touches down in Jerusalem. There he judges the nations and sets up his millennial reign.

Mima, hope you don't mind that I reprinted this it was right on, god bless
---michael_e on 4/8/10


Thanks, Mary... I came to Christ after 40 years of throwing the Baby out with the bathwater. I am no longer tossing the baby, but the bathwater needs changed often because of me and my fellow brothers and sisters.
---joseph on 4/8/10


I agree with the two phased second coming.
I disagree, and have never seen any text that says Jesus will reign on earth for 1000 years.

I want people to remember that at his second coming he is coming with such glory that those who are not changed cannot look upon him.

Everyone who has not accepted Jesus will be killed by the brightnes of his coming. SO which nation will be alive, and unsaved to be judged?

And what is the nature of this judgment?
What stops the 1000 years reign to give Jesus reign forever?
---francis on 4/8/10




Mima...

I understand from the Bible that He has come and is coming again. In the mean time, He sent the Holy Spirit for comfort/strength. Jesus adds that we can do greater through the H.S.

However, I do not think that permits us to add theory to Scripture. The formula for this prevelant theory is: Coming 1 + (Coming 2 + a few seemingly related verses). In other words: Coming Stages 1, 2a, and 2b. However, in order to squeeze in 2a, we need to change what is plainly written: Coming 1 and 2. No matter how you number the pieces, it is still three pieces.

Anyway you slice it, always be covered by Jesus during all seasons and strengthened/comforted by the Spirit.
---joseph on 4/8/10


I agree with Mima 4/8. We will understand more at the point of Jesus' second comming. Remember that the Bible says that in Heaven people will no longer be married and I think that applies to any relative. It won't matter about who you were related to bc in Heaven it no longer applies.
---jody on 4/8/10


The second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ will happen in two different stages. In stage one, which is really the rapture, Jesus comes in the clouds and we go to meet him.

In the second stage he comes to Earth physically and touches down in Jerusalem. There he judges the nations and sets up his millennial reign.
---mima on 4/8/10


Excellent point, Joseph. I don't agree with the majority of my fellow believers on the rapture idea, myself.
---Mary on 4/8/10


What people call the reign of Christ on earth ( the 1000 year reign) is actually a judgment in heaven where those who are saved get to act as judges.

they review the books of those saved and lost.

It is at that time we will find out who is lost and who is saved any why those lost are lost.

Matthew 19:28.. ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


1 Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:.. and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
---francis on 4/8/10


Wisdom instructs me to let a dead horse lie, but Logic compels me to ask:

If Jesus "comes with clouds", the operative word is "comes." Doesn't that make it a second coming? and shouldn't the Second Coming really be called a Tertiary or Third Coming?

---joseph on 4/8/10


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Rebecca--you said read between the lines?you can't be serious??!!
---chestnut_burr on 2/21/07


Geoff
Your missing my point. Whether you admit it or not, it is still your point of view of what the real interpretation is! We can go back and forth all day, month and year about which one of us has it right! As far as i'm concerned, I think my interpretation is correct! And you think your's is correct!
Nonetheless, I respect your view- you could be right, and I wrong- or the other way around! Anyway God bless!
---DePuTy on 2/21/07


DePuTy, you said "it's my point of view" and that's just the problem. If we stick to the word of God instead of our points of view we can avoid guessing. I don't trust my opinion, but I can stake my life on the reliability of what God says. This is why Jesus said "it is written, man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" Mt 4:4.
---Geoff on 2/20/07


Rebecca, perhaps you are right, perhaps you are wrong.

My point remains that NO VERSE IN SCRIPTURE either proves, or disproves a PTR.

For sure Jesus is returning, and in any moment. But to say that it surely will happen this way or that way is not warranted, and unwise; it causes more problems than it solves.
---John_T on 2/20/07


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Geoff
Your statement- DePuTy, perhaps if you stuck to what the Bible DOES say, you could avoid faulty interpretations.

So we must ALL believe your views and follow them- huh? Please, give me a break! I never said I was 100% correct, I could be wrong! But who or what made you an expert on future events? For all we know, I could be right and you wrong! I'm not asking to accept my interpretation- it's my point of view.
---DePuTy on 2/20/07


Jesus said "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass" (Luke 21:36) Without question, this statement establishes that the followers of Jesus who are watching and praying will ESCAPE by being REMOVED from their earthly scene. They will escape the events of the Tribulation and stand with Jesus. By no means does the word ESCAPE mean "to be hidden away." it means "to go quickly out from."
---DePuTy on 2/20/07


Well you guys can be here when God pours out his wrath, but I'll not be. As long as I endure til the end with Jesus, I won't see the great tribulation. In Rev 7 it speaks about how some people stood faithfully during the great tribulation, and repented of their sins, and wearing white robes. When Jesus comes back the dead in Christ shall rise first, then those that remain will meet them in the air. This is all before the great tribulation. What is so dificult to understand.
---Rebecca_D on 2/19/07


** Christians will go to be with God before the great tribulation. 1 Thess 4:14-17**

The only thing this passage says is that at some point, Christ will awaken the dead that sleep in Him, reunite their souls with their resurrected, glorified bodies, those who are alive will likewise be glorified, and we will be forever with Him.

It does NOT say it happens before the Tribulation.

Divers passages of the NT make it clear this happens AFTER the tribulation, however.
---Jack on 2/19/07


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Rebecca, I HAVE TO agree with John_T smile, 1 Thes 4:14-17 doesn't reference the tribulation, so how did you come to your faulty conclusion?

DePuTy, perhaps if you stuck to what the Bible DOES say, you could avoid faulty interpretations.

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation-2 Pt 1:20.

Scripture interprets scripture-Is 8:20.
---Geoff on 2/19/07


I try to be nice and truethful, but I have to barely be truethful, I can't seem to get it posted if I get to deep into the truth.
---Rev_Herb on 2/19/07


John; did I say those words will be in those verses? No, I didn't. Read the verses, read between the lines.
---Rebecca_D on 2/19/07


#1
Jesus said "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass" (Luke 21:36) Without question, this statement establishes that the followers of Jesus who are watching and praying will ESCAPE by being REMOVED from their earthly scene. They will escape the events of the Tribulation and stand with Jesus. By no means does the word ESCAPE mean "to be hidden away." it means "to go quickly out from."
---DePuTy on 2/19/07


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#2
Jude 14-15 "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his HOLY ONES to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly" HOLY ONES- means a devoutly religious or saintly person!
We also see this happening in Revelation 19. If the dead haven't risen until after the tribulation, how can this take place? This makes it clear- Rapture will preced the Tribulation! 2 Peter 3:11 "Since everything will be destroyed in this way- You ought to live HOLY and Godly lives"
---DePuTy on 2/19/07


Rebecca: Christians will go to be with God before the great tribulation. 1 Thess 4:14-17

The words "great" or "tribulation" are NOT in that section you cite. Your statement is therefore unsupportable.
---John_T on 2/19/07


Geoff
I am using scripture! I'm not saying my interpretation is 100% correct- you could be right, or the other way around!
First of all- when Christ left the earth scene, he ascended in the clouds! How does Revelation say Christ will return? (Revelation 1:7) "Behold, he is coming in the clouds and ALL eyes will see him!" In other words- Any one person who calls himself the Messiah in the near future, other than he who Returns in the Clouds- is the ANTICHRIST! This is an IMPORTANT clue!
---DePuTy on 2/19/07


DePuTy, I've noticed your habit of not giving references for your quotes. Noah was sheltered in the midst of the storm. The Hebrews in Goshen were also shelter in the midst of the plagues. They were protected by obeying God's instruction. Did you actually read Isaiah 43:2? God will be with us IN trouble-Rev 3:10. Your doctrine MUST come from the Bible or you will be deceived!-2 Tim 3:16
---Geoff on 2/19/07


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Christians will go to be with God before the great tribulation. 1 Thess 4:14-17, notice it says those who died in Christ shall rise first, then those left remaining will meet in the clouds. The ones that endure til the end with Jesus will not go through the great tribulation.
---Rebecca_D on 2/19/07


Rev Herb, No, in order to post, you have to be nice and truthful.

Ramon, with all due respect there is NO way anyone can conclusively prove a PTR from Revelation.

What each of you support is a optional theological position, but not a fundamanetal to Christianity position There is s significant dfference in the two.
---John_T on 2/19/07


**
**This is my point. They will NOT be taken out before the tribulation.**

Scriptures states yes.**

No, they don't.
---Jack on 2/19/07


Jesus Christ said it many times in the N.T. that one would be taken the other left- meaning Rapture. Also, that this Rapture would happen in a blink of an eye! That we should pray to be found worthy to ESCAPE all that is about to happen.
REVELATION 18:4
"Come out of her (Rapture), my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues." Rapture will preced Tribulation!
---DePuTy on 2/18/07


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#1
I know many of you think the Rapture will occur after the Tribulation because Christians will be persecuted by the Antichrist! But ya'll are fogetting one important thing! Many people today believe in God and are Christian- Yet they continue to live a sinful lifestyle and don't dedicate any time to God! Will they be found worthy to be taken in Rapture? Christ said "Pray that you may be found worthy to ESCAPE all that is about to happen."
---DePuTy on 2/18/07


#2
That is precisely why there is more to "once saved- always saved". I know many people that have been baptised by water and Strongly believe in God and Christ! But they continue to commit Adultery, lies and get Drunk every weekend! Is this was Christ taught the Apostles? "Have a great time because after my crucifiction it won't matter!" Absolutely NOT! Many Christians will realize it's too late when they see the Rapture take place and now they are in the Tribulation hour!
---DePuTy on 2/18/07


#3
God rewards his faithful followers! He rewards obedience as he has shown in the past with Noah and Lot! What reward are we getting by obeying God, yet- we will be horrified when the Antichrist is pursuing us and we see our Christian brothers being beheaded? The Christians being pursued during the Tribulation will be those who know God and his commands- yet refuse to live the life he wants us to live! Be ready and pray that you ESCAPE the Tribulation! Be prepared- It could happen today!
---DePuTy on 2/19/07


Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Rapture...
2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Second coming
---a_friend on 2/19/07


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**This is my point. They will NOT be taken out before the tribulation.**

Scriptures states yes. You did not answer my question. How do you reconciled the apparent idea that the Church is already in Heaven before He comes again to reign on earth (Rev 19)?

If your teaching is true, then Rev 19 is wrong because the Church will be rapture after the Tribulation.
---Ramon on 2/18/07


Geoff
I know 'Noah' must have heard the suffering- but he was complete REMOVED from the punishment on mankind, and was completely safe and protected! What you said about Lot is true- he was REMOVED from Sodom and escaped Wrath, his wife disobeyed! We too will be REMOVED with a Rapture and escape the Hour of Tribulation! Noah and Lot were completely Safe and away- Not inside with the wicked- feeling and seeing the Horror unfolding around them! They were kept completely Safe!
---DePuTy on 2/18/07


DePuTy, no texts? Noah wasn't raptured from earth, but sheltered during the deluge. He HAD TO build an ark. We do too! Can you imagine the cries of external sufferers & noise of the cataclysm he heard? That was a time of trouble. Unlike Noah, Lot created his own time of trouble, pitching his tent toward Sodom. Next thing, he was living IN Sodom. God had to drag his family out, but Sodom was still inside his wife & she perished. God promised to go through the time of trouble with us-Isaiah 43:2
---Geoff on 2/17/07


In order to answer this question properly, as I have tried in the past, I would have to politicaly uncorrect. If you are not politicaly correct here, you answers will not be posted.
---Rev_Herb on 2/15/07


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Geoff
You ask for proof with scripture, I've provided the proof. Noah was spared from the flood! Did Noah and his family have to swim and cry for help? No! Lot was removed from Sodom and had no part of their destruction! Christ said the Tribulation would be a time like the world has never known. Does it makes sense for God to keep folks who are acknowledging, and obeying him to be included in the Great Tribulation? No! Rapture will preced the Tribulation, it's the only way that makes sense!
---DePuTy on 2/15/07


When we are called up in the Clouds- it doesn't mean that Christ has returned! Christ will call us to meet him in the clouds thus removing us from the Hour of Tribulation- this is not the second coming! The second coming will be when he Returns in the Clouds to Destroy Satan, the false prophet, the Antichrist and ALL wicked men!
After their destruction, Christ will reign on earth for 1,000 years! That is the proper sequence of events given in the Bible!
---DePuTy on 2/15/07


DePuTy, Carol & Ramon, unless you provided scriptural support previously, I'm only seeing speculative statements which don't follow the biblical sequence of the tribulation, the 2nd coming, the first resurrection, the wicked slain, the rapture of ALL believers, the millennium, the final confrontation & last phase of judgement & sentencing or annihilation of the wicked, and the commencement of Christ's earthly reign-Rev 20:1-15. Let me know if I can be more concise.
---Geoff on 2/15/07


The RAPTURE is going to preced the Great Tribulation! The Christians that have been living a life pleasing to God will ESCAPE! That is precisely why Christ said it would be the Hour of Trial for ALL mankind! People who doubt God exist, much less that Jesus Christ is the son of God- will be left for the HOUR of tribulation that will Test Mankind!
Christians who are living a sinfull lifestyle- could miss the Rapture, It will happen in a blink of an eye! Be READY- Christ is Coming soon!
---DePuTy on 2/15/07


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If the rapture is to happen AFTER the tribulation, WHO WILL BE LEFT FOR GOD TO RAPTURE??? If the christians are to go through it there is going to be so much death during that time and the christians are the ones that would be killed first so how many do you think would be allowed to live to RAPURE UP?????
---carol on 2/14/07


**
**Those looking for a pre-trib rapture will be among the first to fall down and worship Antichrist.**

How do you know? Why will they worship the beast if they are going to be taken out before he arrives? **

This is my point. They will NOT be taken out before the tribulation.
---Jack on 2/14/07


The rapture has not happened yet till Christ comes back to get His people. The dead r n ot in heaven at all..they r in their graves, gone dust. It's their breath that has gone back to the maker who breathed it into them.
God's plan is that the dead wait in ther graves till JC returns and resurects them.
---jana on 2/14/07


What flood there would be, can you imagine the tears from all the generations! Thats why there will be no memory of this life and we will never know how life on earth was it will just be God and his angels to live forever in the New Jerusalem Heaven and Earth that God will rebuild according to John's vision and Revelation, It'll be hard to understand but as time go's by it will make Perfect sense.
---carla5754 on 2/14/07


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**Those looking for a pre-trib rapture will be among the first to fall down and worship Antichrist.**

How do you know? Why will they worship the beast if they are going to be taken out before he arrives?

**The Bible clearly and unambiguously teaches that the rapture happens AFTER the tribulation.**

You not reading Scriptures clearly.If you did, you will know it happen before. How can you accept Rev 19 and still profess a Post Trib? I pray you realize your error soon enough.
---Ramon on 2/13/07


Ramon, "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to Him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and His wife hath made herself ready" Rev 19:7. This is the time of the final judgement-v2. Have we missed the marriage supper of the Lamb?-v9
---Geoff on 2/13/07


**The Church is in heaven before he come to earth to judge. Reread the Scripture (Rev 19:7 and on).**

I have. The Bible clearly and unambiguously teaches that the rapture happens AFTER the tribulation.

Those looking for a pre-trib rapture will be among the first to fall down and worship Antichrist.
---Jack on 2/13/07


No mention of "church" from 3:22 until 22:16 in Revelation.

This proves ONLY that the word "church" is absent from 3:22 until 22:16 in Revelation.

Silence neither denies, nor affirms anything.

Therefore the burden of proof of the church's rapture after 3:22 falls on those asserting it, and they must find OTHER verses that positively assert their premise.

Belief in a PreTribRapture (PTR) from the verses in Revelation is impossible.
---John_T on 2/13/07


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Truth? The parable of the wheat and tares has nothing to do with the Rapture. It has to do with the Second Coming.
Many are confused and miss the Truth because they can't see the difference in the two events.
Just like Matt 24 is about the Second Coming and not the Rapture.
---Elder on 2/13/07


Geoff. Yes it does. The Church is in heaven before he come to earth to judge. Reread the Scripture (Rev 19:7 and on).
---Ramon on 2/13/07


Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
---Chikie on 2/12/07


Ramon, Rev 19:7-16 doesn't say the church is already in heaven.
---Geoff on 2/12/07


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Actually, his name is JN Darby (1800-1882), and he popularized the concept, some attribute to Jesuit teachings.

Saying we disagree with Dispensationalism, or "rapture" is NOT the same thing as disagreeing with Scripture.

Many fumdamental, Bible-believing people differ on the end times. EACH represent a different THEORY, and NONE are essential to one's salvation
---John_T on 2/12/07


Let's see. Pretrib.-rapture. Not so. Read the parable of the wheat and tares and see what Jesus said about it. You'll find it in Matthew.
---TRUTH on 2/12/07


*Rapture was started by Charles Darby in the 1830*

Are you saying that the Pre-Trib Rapture doctrine was started by Charles Darby? If so, then you need to get your facts straight!. We have tons and tons of writings that point to a Rapture before Charles coming into the picture.

How to you reconciled the apparent idea that the Church is already in Heaven when Christ comes again to judge (Rev 19:7-16)? How many times you people going to say, "Scriptures are wrong!"?
---Ramon on 2/12/07


BAD QUESTION!

It assumes too much that is very debatable.

HOWEVER, if the blogger meant heaven, then my response is that we will have so much joy with those there, and in the presence of God himself, we will have no reason, nor time to be sad about those not there.
---John_T on 2/12/07


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notlaw and Jack. I never mentioned a pre trib rapture, I was simply asking when will we find out if our loved ones made it? I don't care when it is as long as my loved ones go up when it happens. Cabesh? That means "Understand" in Italian..lol. How did you folks come to that conclusion that this was about WHEN the rapture would happen? I think we all need a refreshers course in "Pay attention to the question at hand and do not attack it until you understand it." LOL
---donna6598 on 2/12/07


You don't have to guess if your loved ones make it in the rapture. You can know for sure. Minister the Gospel to them, and then pray for them. This is taking action to make sure that they make it to Heaven.
---Leslie on 2/11/07


Don't get too caught up in this rature debate whether it's pre, mid or post. Just be prepared. Prepare yourself, prepare your family and prepare your friends, neighbors, acquaintances.

As for me, I know for sure that Christians will live through the tribulation and I have several dozen Bible references - and not many verses.
---Steveng on 2/10/07


When we make it to heaven. When Jesus comes back, and your in heaven and you don't see your loved ones, then you will know they didn't make it.
---Rebecca_D on 2/10/07


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When will the saints accept the truth about the rapture...of the wicked? The Bible is replete with The Kingdom of Jesus Christ on earth...not in the ether. As in the days of Noah, so will it be in the coming of The Son of Man. Who was raptured and who was left? Sure Noah got a boat ride, but certainly didn't fly a million miles away playing a harp on a cloud. Does mormonism (more man) believe that they're going to have their own planet? It is through much tribulation that we enter the kingdom!
---patrick on 2/10/07


notlaw99 asked, "How many questions are going to be submitted on this stupid subject?"
Well, I don't know but if you hadn't posted that would have been one less.
How do you account for the Rapture in Rev 11:9-12?
Here we see the voice from heaven saying, "Come up hither." The two dead Prophets stand up and ascend up to heaven in a cloud.
That my friend is a Rapture.
How many times are people going to use the stupid phrase, "There ain't no Rapture?"
---Elder on 2/10/07


There's no such thing as a pre-trib rapture.
---Jack on 2/10/07


How many questions are going to be submitted on this stupid subject. Pretribulation and Midtribulation Rapture is false teaching. The post tribulation event was never been called Rapture. Rapture was started by Charles Darby in the 1830 it was false teaching then and it still is.
---notlaw99 on 2/9/07


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I'd like to see Scripture to verify if we will know whether or not anyone does or doesn't make it. I really don't think we will be running around looking for uncle Fred to see if he made it.
---john on 2/10/07


When we meet up with them again I guess. I don't think it is likely that we will be aware of those who didn't 'make it' though. The book of Revelation tells us that there will be no more weeping and I think we would do plenty weeping if we knew that some of our loved ones were actually in hell. I'm hoping that our memories will be erased in that respect.
---m.p.a. on 2/10/07


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