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Has The Rapture Happened

When will the Rapture happen? Or has it happened already?

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Robert K If the rapture has already happened, how come we didnt see the lightening from east to the west and the trump of God sounding which will be noisy and it says all eyes will see Him come???He said He will come in the clouds with His band of angels? I havent seen nor heard it? It must be the kids sounding their trumpets that you heard...hhah
---jana on 4/12/07


If you didn't see this happen yet, then the "resurection" has not occured.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
---Chipper on 4/11/07


Robert K. Malinowski said: "I believe that the rapture has taken place.
I believe that only the true saints have been rapture and many of them from king james bible baptist churches".

Surely you jest ??
You are being facetious, correct??

---Chipper on 4/11/07


NOW SEE HERE. The Rapture has not begun. Could we not stop this nonsense. As I have stated before I am still Here. And praise God He is not going to forget me.
---catherine on 3/31/07


Were you 'left behind', Robert?
---Lime_intheCoconut on 3/30/07




"Elder, Before you go giving any more grammer lessons, make sure you know what you are talking about as not to embarras yourself."
Johnny_5 on 3/24/07

Yes, Johnny giving "grammer" lessons would embarrass me but giving GRAMMAR lessons would not.
I would embarrass myself if I wrote "embarras." That would not embarrass you would it?
Ha ha, you are fun to play with.
---Elder on 3/30/07


Johnny,
You said you could give references to the Rapture now you say it was the Resurrection. If three references is all you have about the resurrection you have a lot more to learn.
What do you do with the Mid-Trib Rapture of the two witnesses if there is no Rapture in the Bible? This is just one example of a Rapture. I don't want to give you too much to worry about at one time.
Now this is a simple question. I am sure you will find some way not to answer it.
---Elder on 3/30/07


So does this mean that there is a secret rapture where Jesus does not show Himself in all His Glory?
---lorra8574 on 3/30/07


I believe that the rapture has taken place.
I believe that only the true saints have been rapture and many of them from king james bible baptist churches.

Thank You
---Robert_K_Malinowski on 3/30/07


DePuTy, If you read a little further, 2Thes 2:3,4. As you can see, before any of those things happen, the apostasy comes first, in which the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. 1Thes 4:13-18 shows that the dead in Christ will rise first, meaning the dead, then will come the gathering of the ones alive, which in a sense, they are transformed to live forever without ever dying. (cont.)
---Johnny_5 on 3/25/07




(pt.2 to DePuTy), Since it is said that these first ones are the "dead in Christ" it has to do with the first resurrection having to be the ones who will reign with Christ as Kings and priests.(see Rev 4:9,10, Rev 20:4) Hope this helps and God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/25/07


Johnny 5
If the Rapture has to do with the Resurrection, why would the Apostle Paul write the following on Scrolls AFTER Christ ascended into Heaven!!
[2 Thessalonians 2:1-2] "Conerning the Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ .. do no become unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come!"
The RESURRECTION and the RAPTURE are TWO TOTALLY different events!!!
---DePuTy on 3/25/07


Ramon, If our conversation has ceased, then why are you "whining" back at me every time I turn around? It is your "true" self that is being exposed. You say there is no need to respond back to you, yet you keep whining,and whining and whining. You have said this conversation has ceased 3 times, yet you keep coming back for more. As for Elder's question, I have answered. Now if this conversation has ceased, then I expect not to see another word from you, God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/25/07


Elder, As I said before, there is no reference to a "Rapture", the three references I see are on resurrections, in which I didn't think you were looking for. There are "no" Scriptures on a "Rapture." If you want the Scriptures on the Resurrection, I will give them to you,let me know.
---Johnny_5 on 3/24/07


Elder, Before you go giving any more grammer lessons, make sure you know what you are talking about as not to embarras yourself.
---Johnny_5 on 3/24/07


Elder, I don't think any of your wrights were right. If I'm going to write something,or if it is correct it is right, or my right hand. Anyway, enough with the English and grammer lessons. As for your question, if it is refering to the Rapture, you won't find 3 Scriptures on it for it's not there. However, there are many Scriptures on the Resurrection. I thought I had already mentioned that. The only disproof is, it's not there. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/24/07


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Ramon, If our conversation has ceased, then just go away and stop this "nit picking." God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/24/07


** Ramon, Elder, You are both weaving a web to entrap your prey of "Christians", for you know nothing of the "Truth". **

Maybe they see through what you think is "Truth" and see it is as riddle with holes as a Swiss cheese.
---Jack on 3/24/07


Johnny 5*You are both weaving a web to entrap your prey of "Christians"*

Like I said, our conversation ceases. You don't need to respond to me. Its you that speak as man, for you act like a child, and won't give Scriptures to make up your beliefs. You are a "well without water"(II Peter 2:17) and a "cloud without water" (Jude 12).

Don't answer Elder questions, just keep "whining"-You are good at that.
---Ramon on 3/24/07


Ramon, Elder, You are both weaving a web to entrap your prey of "Christians", for you know nothing of the "Truth". You speek as man, not of "God". God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/24/07


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No one knows the day nor hour, but the signs of the times are clear that it is "at the door". It has not happened yet, obviously. When it happens, millions of people will be gone. All Christians will be caught up in Heaven with God in the twinkling of an eye.
---amy on 3/24/07


Johnny,
How come it upsets you that I ask for Dave's 5 references about the rapture that he won't give? Are you really Dave?
You both whine and demand Scripture from others yet when asked for them yourself you whine even the more.
Why not give me your 3 references that support your claim?
---Elder on 3/13/07
Here's your questions. Why answer now you didn't then.
Stay a child make up another excuse. It's like when you right wright make sure you right wright right and use write right.
---Elder on 3/23/07


Be ye transformed by the renewal of your mind, and learn the heavenly language of
the "mind of Christ" and you will know, if you are (1 Cor 6:17) "To be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord"
---Denna9463 on 3/23/07


Johnny 5. If you can't see the rudeness, the immaturity, and etc in your posts, then its you that have many issues not me. For *you* can't accept when you wrong. Some people criticize people with the intentions of hurting them, and many criticisms are too out of line

*You guys need to grow up, and get "real."

I alreadly did. Like Elder said, "if I grow up I won't be allowed to play with you......." People today get alarm when a adult approaches their children. God Bless!.
---Ramon on 3/23/07


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Johnny 5. #2. I will keep you in my prayers so that you come to the light. Thats all I got to say to you. Please "Grow" up and act like a adult. You don't use Scriptures to prove your point, maybe thats too hard for you. God Bless!

No need to post a response, because after this, like I said, our conversation ceases. God Bless!.
---Ramon on 3/23/07


No the rapture has not come I am still here.
---catherine on 3/23/07


Elder, As I said, I ask you the question in which I might give an answer, however you say, go find it yourself. If I ask a question, then I keep asking, till I have the answer. Never the less, If your question is not such a big deal as to say "go find it yourself" then the question must not have been so important. For I am not going to search for the "many" questions out there to find the "one". So it's up to you to decide. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/23/07


Elder, I don't know your problem either, I know whenever I wanted to know something, I kept asking, not to say it's been asked, go find it. That may be your "playground", but if the question is so important to you, then you would ask again, however the question you asked must not have been so important, for you do not wish to ask it again. There are probably many questions you have asked, and I'm not going to go on some wild goose chase to find the wright one. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/23/07


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Ramon, You are the one with big issues, for you see "criticism" as rude and offensive to you. How in the world have you made it through life? As far as Elder goes, I have asked him to repeat his question, yet he tells me to go look for it. I have repeatedly retyped questions for answers. Therefore if the question is not so important to re-ask it, then I shouldn't have to be sent on some wild goose chase to find it. You guys need to grow up, and get "real." God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/23/07


Folks, read my words--- The Rapture has not come. I am still here. When Jesus comes, I am gone. "Stop the nonsense"
---catherine on 3/22/07


If the Rapture happend when Christ was here on Earth, Why would the Apostle Paul make the following CRYSTAL CLEAR after Christ had already ascended into Heaven!
[2 Thessalonians 2:1-2] "Conerning the Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ .. do no become unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come!"
The Rapture will take place in the near future- based on Scripture and current World events!
---DePuTy on 3/22/07


Johnny 5. #3 Furthermore, I was going to respond to Billy, but unfortunately I so busy in work and totally forgot about our discussion. Billy, if he wants, is welcome to have the conversation, if he wish.

Our conversation at this point ceases. I don't speak to people who are rude, disrespectful, and un-Christ-like (etc). Your true side is showing, just keep talking.

Jesus said, "Ye shall know them by their fruits" (Mat 7:16). Jesus was very clear! God Bless!
---Ramon on 3/21/07


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Johnny,
You don't know the question because you don't want to. It is still posted on this blog. Go read it for yourself, unless that is above your intelligence. Have someone read it to you.
If you read it then you have to answer it. No more hiding in the playground.
Don't worry about my integrity I'll talk to you anyway. I can explain it later to those who might wonder.
---Elder on 3/21/07


Johnny 5.#4
*I pray that God has "mercy" on you for not knowing the "Truth."*

Why will someone who doesn't have the truth tell me that? How can you tell me the truth, when you don't even have it yourself?

*I sit and watch also*

If you "sit and watch" as you say, then why didn't you "sit and watch" Elder posts and mines and answer our questions? Instead, you which to be so rude to me, just shows how immature you are.
---Ramon on 3/21/07


Johnny 5. Refresh my memory, but didn't Elder ask some questions, by which you gave no response? Have I not ask you questions, but didn't receive no response?

Has you said, "when people are cornered, they start pointing fingers the opposite direction." Has they say, "when ever you point your finger at some one else, three fingers are pointing back at you".

Why you have to be so rude and immature and say "You sir, have some big issues."?
---Ramon on 3/21/07


Johnny5. #2 You said, "Why not read and understand(1Cor 15- the end?)"

I have read and understand. What in 1 Cor 15 disprove a Rapture? I don't see the connection, maybe you can "fill me in"?

*You sir, have some big issues.*

Why be so rude? Anyway, Thank-you for noticing.

*Because of your "thick" headedness, You don't see the "Kingdom of Heaven" *

Again, why so rude? Why resort to insults? You sir, have many issues.
---Ramon on 3/21/07


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2Thessalonian 2:9 Even him "Jesus", whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Call it a rapture, or Christs return, it makes know difference and Paul did give a stiff worning as to when Jesus would return.

2Thes 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
---Billy on 3/21/07


Ramon, On the blog,"Is the soul Immortal," Did you not answer Billy, and run off? I sit and watch also, As you say, If I'm a "robot" I can only give what man has put in me, however I'm not a "robot" as you see, I'm a livining, breathing,"human", Why don't you reply to Billy? Scared to do so? Why not read and understand(1Cor 15- the end?) You sir, have some big issues.
---Johnny_5 on 3/21/07


Dave, the word RAPTURE is only a descriptive word of the event..it is not in the bible you are right however, we use descriptive words to save us going thru the whole rigmarole of explaining what it is. The word TRINITY is also not in the Bible...only a descriptive word of the 3 persons/things/spirits etc in one..say like the egg which consists of EGG SHELL, EGG WHITE, EGG YOLK...God bless
---jana on 3/21/07


Ramon, It's as Jesus said, "You have said it, yet you don't understand it." Because of your "thick" headedness, You don't see the "Kingdom of Heaven" due to your ignorance, and your encircled practice of preaching. I pray that God has "mercy" on you for not knowing the "Truth." God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/20/07


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DePuty, I believe that also, about a day to God, is a thousand years to man. And that the world is only thousands of years old and not millions, or billions of years old. Good job in making that point, God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/20/07


Soon. You will know when it happens. Please read Matthew 24:15,22,27-31,40,41; I Thessalonians 4:16-18; II Thessalonians 2:1-12.
---Eloy on 3/19/07


Johnny.*The 1800's is not in the Bible, nor is the "Rapture."*

And "Johnny 5" is not in the Bible either. So I guess you just an robot then, right? The word "Bible" is not in the Bible either. Do you accept the Incarnation? Your parents are not in the Bible either.

You teach false doctrines. It is you that states if a word is not in the Bible then its false. Nor does Scriptures states word for word, "There is no Rapture". Show me that Scripture!
---Ramon on 3/18/07


Elder, You know as well as I do this is no playground as you speak of. However ask your question again, I don't know the question. What was your question, or is it beyond your integrity?
---Johnny_5 on 3/18/07


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Raymon, You are still in the "darkness" for you preach mans word, not God's. The 1800's is not in the Bible, nor is the "Rapture." It is You that don't teach Scripture.
---Johnny_5 on 3/18/07


Rebecca D, I agree with you on that, but they are the ones who have never truely heart the gospel before the tribulation. They will be hearing it for the first time after the rapture. It is the ones who have heard the gospel and rejected it that God will send a strong delusion.
---Rev_Herb on 3/17/07


I beg the differ with you Herb. There will be some people who will not take the mark of the beast and do not worship the beast, that they will be beheaded, and regin with Christ for a thousand years. So there will be some whom will be saved. Rev 20:4-5. The dead in Christ and the saved ones remaining at that time had already met Jesus in the air. There will be some that will come out of the great tribulation and reign with Christ. Rev 7:13-14.
---Rebecca_D on 3/16/07


We are saved from death through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The righteous pray, repent, study the scriptures with diligence, obey all God's laws and live as an example of Jesus Christ. They will be in the first resurrection of the just. They do not automatically go to heaven to live with God. That nullifies the judgement of all men both good and evil. The judgement follows the resurrection, when all men will stand in front of God and make an accounting of their lives.
---Dave on 3/16/07


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Helen: "Steveng - You are wrong. Everybody who gets saved does so in this life, not in the next. There is no second chance for the saved or the unsaved. False teaching is out there on this."

I suggest reading Revelation 20 several times. In fact, study it with the Holy Spirit. Especially verses 4to6 and 11to13. Even a child can understand these verses. I pray that you understand and that you are worthy to be risen in the first resurrecction.
---Steveng on 3/16/07


Part 1

If you have heard the gospel before the rapture and do not get saved before the rapture, you will not get saved after the rapture

2Th 2:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth,(received not the love of the truth, did not get saved when they had an opportunity) that they might be saved.
---Rev_Herb on 3/16/07


Part 2

2Th 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
---Rev_Herb on 3/16/07


Again, as I said, I do not want scriptures talking about the first resurrection of the righteous and the dead. That is what you are giving me in 1 Corinthians 15. when our bodies are changed from mortal to immortal because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe in all the words of God, but because many don't on here, I stick to the bible which should be understood by all. If our bodies are not changed to immortal, how can we be judged by our works and return to God (if we are righteous.)
---Dave on 3/16/07


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**[1 Corn. 15] we will be changed from perishable body to imperishable! How?**
You are changed when you are baptised, that's How!!!
Others have followed suit from Jesus raising from the dead, when you see someone give there lives to Christ you are seeing a person be reborn into Christ, into a heavenly realm where the body does not exist. You are caught up in baptism and exist at the right hand of God in Jesus
---johnlovesginalyn on 3/16/07


The rapture hasn't happened because I am still here. :)
---Helen_5378 on 3/16/07


Steveng - You are wrong. Everybody who gets saved does so in this life, not in the next. There is no second chance for the saved or the unsaved. False teaching is out there on this.
---Helen_5378 on 3/16/07


RevHerb: "...bacause there is no chance to for them to be saved after the rapture." Christians do so have two chances, but blessed are those that rise during the first reserrection.
---Steveng on 3/15/07


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People ask me questions and I back up what I say with bible scriptures, everyone can identify with them and read it in their own bibles. The reason you cannot prove the rapture. it is a teaching of man and not God. it was invented during the reformation to draw people into churches of Knox, Luthor, Calvin, Wesley, etc and away from the catholic church. every church, pastor or minister teaches different doctrines, even though there is only one bible. I have visited thousands of churches and seen it.
---Dave on 3/15/07


*I want scriptures. that is the only Words of God I accept as truth.*

No you don't Dave. You accept the Bible and the Book of Mormon. It's funny that a Mormon will say that, considering that they accept the Bible and the Book of Mormon, which has so many contradiction to the Word of God.

So you saying we are false teachers, yet you accept the Bible and Man's words? Interesting!
---Ramon on 3/15/07


1/Dave
You want Rapture [Concept] verses, I'll give you the Scripture!
[1 Corn. 15] we will be changed from perishable body to imperishable! How?
[1 Corin. 15:52] "In a flash, in a twinkling of an eye..the dead will be raised.."
RAISED means: surface is higher than what surrounds it!
[v.20] "..Christ was raised from the dead, the FIRSTFRUITS of those who have fallen asleep."
Firstfruits meaning FIRST! This establishes that others will follow suit in the future!
---DePuTy on 3/15/07


2/Dave

[1 Thess. 4:17] "then those who are still ALIVE, will be caught together with them [them meaning-the dead that have been raised mentioned in 1 Corin. 15] in the CLOUDS to meet the Lord in the AIR and be with him forever!"

This paints a CLEAR picture of the Rapture that you and many others call nonesense!
One doesn't need a College degree to understand this means RAPTURE!
The Rapture will happen! So be READY!
---DePuTy on 3/15/07


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Mormon roots are showing, Dave.
Mormonism is a web and circle of error.
If you only wanted Bible, you would throw your BOM in the garbage.
---NelsonG on 3/15/07


Stop talking in circles, I demand answers from the Christians, now.
What I find funny, Dave, is a mormon making demands on a Christian site.
---Nelson_G. on 3/15/07


Johnny 5. It is you that trying to lead to darkness. You like to whine alot, but can't use Scriptures or answer simple questions.I guess thats too much for you.
---Ramon on 3/15/07


Dave you are so funny.---A Rapture means-either ecstasy or to snatch from one place and put in another. Now, you want scriptures,They are at the very bottom of this response. "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds". [Meaning the dead will rise first].The word rapture does not appear in the KJV Bible, but the concept does. 1 THESS.4. 16-17-18. Also-- Mark 13. 26-37. I am certain there are other scriptures. Good day.
---catherine on 3/15/07


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These responses are so funny. All I asked is that someone give me the scripture references to prove the rapture exists. All I have seen now is references to the Second coming of the Savior. Why is it so hard to show me from the scriptures that what you believe is true. Stop talking in circles and answer my question, directly and to the point. I don't want opinions, I want scriptures. that is the only Words of God I accept as truth.
---Dave on 3/15/07


catherine on 3/14/07
you can see in my earlier post that i believe when Jesus died created a new place in Him. He sits at the right hand of the Father.
You said 'I am still here' but if you were to belive Pauls words you would believe you exist in Jesus in also. The rapture is our existance in Jesus when we were baptised into Him
---johnlovesginalyn on 3/15/07


1/Jack
My friend, it is obvious that you haven't studied the Scriptures Correctly. Christ, the Prophets and the Apostles left many clues about these events!
Here are the clues:
[1] 2 Peter 3:8 "To the Lord a day is as a thousand years, a thousand years as a day"
God works in 'sevens' as we learn through out the Bible! After a clear Study into the Geneology given in the Bible, from Adam to now- it has been 6007 years. This means 6 days in the sight of God has passed!
---DePuTy on 3/15/07


2/Jack
..This means that we should be approaching a 7th day. And what does the bible say the 7th day is to God? A day of rest!
All we are waiting for is the Return of Christ which will bring about the 1,000 year reign mentioned in Revelation 20. According to 2 Peter 3:8 this will be 1 day in the sight of God!
In a sense, the Reign of Christ will bring a rest- because the Bible mentions that under Christs' reign there will be peace for a thousand years.
---DePuTy on 3/15/07


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3/Jack
Funny how the Apostles Peter mentions Scoffers [2 Peter 3:3] in the Last days- right before he talks about the "a thousand years are as a day, a day is as a thousand years." [2 Peter 3:8]. Why? Because these verses are Vital Clues to the Return of Christ and the 'End of the Age' mentioned by Christ in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21.
Yes! No one knows the Day or the hour of the Rapture, but Christ said we would know when it was near- knocking at the door!
---DePuTy on 3/15/07


There are FAR TOO MANY Rapture clues given in the Bible for any Bible Student to deny that a Rapture will occur!

This is precisely why Christ said [Luke 21:36] "Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape ALL that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man!"
---DePuTy on 3/15/07


Johnny_5j ol' boy com'on, if I grow up I won't be allowed to play with you.......
Thanks for taking the time to respond but you still didn't answer the questions. I understand that also.
I am sorry you feel I insulted your intelligence. I apologize, I didn't know you had any. Forgive me for my misguided assumption. I really couldn't tell from here.
Thanks for you attention to this matter.
---Elder on 3/15/07


Johnny_5j ol' boy com'on, if I grow up I won't be allowed to play with you.......
Thanks for taking the time to respond but you still didn't answer the questions. I understand that also.
I am sorry you feel I insulted your intelligence. I apologize, I didn't know you had any. Forgive me for my misguided assumption. I really couldn't tell from here.
Thanks for your attention to this matter. It's all one big playground.
---Elder on 3/15/07


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**There's no such thing as a Pre-trib rapture. If there were, you could figure out when the Return of Christ as judge would take place.
Jack on 3/14/07**

Part of Jack's statement is true.
It is the Rapture that we don't know when will take place. The return of Christ will be 7 years after that event. And, Yes, we can easily figure that out. Other wise how would the Antichrist be revealed and deceive the very elect?
PS. The elect are not the Church.

---Elder on 3/15/07


To Elder, I'm not confused. You are right the wheat and tares are absolutely about the 2 nd coming of Christ but if you want to call it the rapture thats alright with me. There is no secret removal of the Christians 7 years prior to the 2nd coming. How about you showing scripture that will prove the rapture theory. Do you think that Christians today are better than any of those good Christians in time past that lost their lives following Christ? I don't think you can show scripture to prove the rapture.
---Truth on 3/14/07


To Elder, Rapture simply means a snatching away. You believe, I think, in a "rapture" and then the 2nd coming of Christ. Two seperate occurances, seperated by 7 years. I am convinced, if you want to use the term "rapture", this event happens after Christ's 2nd coming. I believed as you for many years concerning a rapture but I came to see it differently. I won't argue scripture with you, believe as you will for thats what all will do.
---Truth on 3/14/07


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