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Catholic, Protestant - or Christian? As it says in the New Testament we are all parts of the one body. We all have different gifts. Think how much stronger the Christian community would be if we were united? Instead of looking at the past, let's look at the future and what we have in common?

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Out of the Mouth of God Our Father...came His Words.

The Word became flesh and dwelt amoung us.
Matt 1:23(Immanuel-God with us)
Jn 1:14-15

Who is speaking?
The Father.
Spoken What?
His Words.
Has our Father spoken out the Ends,date?

I have many things to say and judge of you:But he that sent me is true,and I SPEAK to the world those things WHICH I HAVE HEARD OF HIM.
John 8:26

I speak that which I have seen with my Father...
John 8:38

Jesus our Messiah,Who saves...
Testifies and Bear witness of himself...
John 8:14-18
1 John 5:6-12

Bible or...

Jesus...The Christ Our Savior,Immanuel-God with us,Gods Words IN Flesh...
Do we really need to ask?

God's Peace.
---char on 10/2/08


Who or what is higher than Jesus?
NONE, SIR."
There is someone higher than Jesus - God, the Father. Only God the Father knows when the end will come, not even Jesus.
---Steveng on 8/29/08

God the Father isn't higher than Jesus.
They are in Union with each other.
Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father.

You thought I said the Bible was equal to the Euchrist. I was telling you, I didn't believe this.
If Jesus states that His Body is True Bread and His Blood is True Drink, then I follow His Words not anyone else.

The Comparison is between the Bible and Jesus, Himself.
Who is higher? Bible or Jesus?
---Nicole on 8/30/08


"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body, and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15) Our unity in Jesus comes with obeying how God rules us in our hearts with His peace. This will bring us together with whoever is the real obedient church who obey how God personally rules us in His very own peace, so we are intimately sharing with Him and with others who are obedient to His peace, instead of obeying and trusting worry and dictatorial passions and depressing attitudes etc. "My peace I give to you," Jesus says, in John 14:27. While we obey, we experience the peace that Jesus on the throne is enjoying---His peace, no less.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/30/08


For while you believe you have his real prescence you cannot seek answers or find his truth there. To see what he says and taught you have to go to the bible.
---Samuel on 8/29/08

But, the Euchrist is in the Gospel.
Jesus is very clear.

It is very puzzling to us Catholics about how Protestants view John chapter 6.

It's always literally, literally, and literally with everything in the Bible.
BUT FOR JOHN CHAPTER 6.
Then, after chapter 6 you continue with literally over and over.
Some even claim Revelation as literal.
But, not John chapter 6

Truly Samuel, I just do not understand.

Jesus is so clear to me. I don't understand why others can not accept His Words as is.
---Nicole on 8/29/08


Nicole: "this will make you mad.

I'm not boasting, but just stating a fact that I've experienced more things in life than most people. I traveled across North America and jouranlized every place I visited, every person I've met, everything I did and every thought I thought. So, nothing could ever make me mad. Disappointed, yes, but not mad.

"Since we believe that the Euchrist is Jesus, we believe that the Euchrist is higher than the Bible.

Who or what is higher than Jesus?

NONE, SIR."

There is someone higher than Jesus - God, the Father. Only God the Father knows when the end will come, not even Jesus.
---Steveng on 8/29/08




**
Steveng, take it easy.
Read Samuel question to me first.
Their are some Priest who think that the Bible is the same as the Euchrist.
I said no.
Read my blog.
**

You said NO to priests ...one never knows if one in rcc is coming or going as they don't either

I'm laughing so hard I just about fell of my chair ...its so amusing to see how rcc is so unaware of their own double talk

they talk out one side of their mouth with some issues backing their church and claiming it has all authority and then in the next breath with another issue they "just say no"

mixed messages, double minded ...it's really all about brainwashing at it's finest
---Rhonda on 8/29/08


Nicole: "Bible is the same as the Holy Euchrist."

The Bible is definately NOT the same as the euchrist. The OT is the history of the relationship between the Israelites and God and the NT is the witnesses (the Gospels) of the life of Jesus and the letters from the apostles to various churches (and, of course, Revelation).
---Steveng on 8/28/08

Steveng, take it easy.
Read Samuel question to me first.
Their are some Priest who think that the Bible is the same as the Euchrist.
I said no.
Read my blog.

But, this will make you mad.
Since we believe that the Euchrist is Jesus, we believe that the Euchrist is higher than the Bible.

Who or what is higher than Jesus?

NONE, SIR.
---Nicole on 8/29/08


Nicole I like your anology to a point and agree with it.

The priest said that the RCC was working to restore scripture to thier rightful eqity with the Euchrist. For while you believe you have his real prescence you cannot seek answers or find his truth there. To see what he says and taught you have to go to the bible.

Yes many people in other countries have distored views of the church many because they do not research or just accept what their leaders want them to know.

Conspiritits have either the Protestant, Illuminati, Jews, Jesuits or pagans running the world and responsible for everything bad.
---Samuel on 8/29/08


Nicole: "Bible is the same as the Holy Euchrist."

The Bible is definately NOT the same as the euchrist. The OT is the history of the relationship between the Israelites and God and the NT is the witnesses (the Gospels) of the life of Jesus and the letters from the apostles to various churches (and, of course, Revelation). The euchrist, on the other hand, is just a rite, a ceremonial tradition of the RCC.
---Steveng on 8/28/08


In the Old Testament the people were taught by God through the prophets that kings and princes could not save them. God's wrath was also there to guide them and punish them when they got out of hand in their rebellion. In the New Testament, we find Jesus saying that we do not need religion either. That is why he was killed. Too many peoples livelihoods were all tied up in the Synagogue. Just like the Church today. It is a great big band wagon, like the United Nations, and it is worth a lot of money. Abolishing it would be inconceivable to those who have so much to gain from it. So they call you a separated brethren if you do not play their game any more. Soon laws will be brought in as the government and religion unites.
---frances008 on 8/27/08




He stated Vatican council 2 said to rever the Bible the same as the Euchrist.--Samuel

The Priest misunderstood the Council. Because of the word 'Word'.
Word of God is both Jesus and Jesus speaks the word of God.

Bible is the same as the Holy Euchrist.

One Priest explained it better to me.

If you were living Overseas, and your wife wrote you letters. You would cherish these and felt she was with you at that moment.

If you had a choice to have her letters or her with you, which would you choose?
Not the letters, even if they were from her.
Her presence is better.
You would still keep her letters forever and maybe reread them once and awhile.
But, they are not her.
Widows knows this the best.
---Nicole on 8/27/08


Samuel, many Muslims seem not to know there are other Christians besides Catholics.

I know people from the old world who don't know about Protestants.
My friend from India was shock, seeing so many other Christians here. She thought they all died out.
In Italy, I asked our tour guide where were the Protestants Churches?
She didn't know what I was asking her. She only knew Catholics and Orthodox.

This reminds me of the Jews.

Protestants claim the RCC has treated Jews badly.
Muslims think the opposite.
They claim we are bias against them because we are on the Jewish's side.

Protestants claim we treat Jews badly, but the Muslims claim we love and protect them too much?
The RCC just can't win can she?
---Nicole on 8/27/08


Catholics as I know never come right out and say "I am saved"Because salvation is a gift of God based on how you live -so shall you reap.It takes a fleeting moment to oppose God, but a sincere contrition takes a life time.Because it has to be proved.Like if you offend your wife by cheating even ONCE, by thought word or deed.Words are cheap actions are what make it binding.That is why RC's HOPE, because the ultimate verdict is with The Creator ALMIGHTY GOD.
---MIC on 8/27/08


Nicole you made a very good point that I want to restate. Protestants and Catholics do not always use the same terminology on the same topic. That is very important. Your growing up in the deep south seems to have helped you there. I am from Texas. My sisters took me to mass but I did not know the term difference until I studied it and had some priests explain it to me.

The point on communion is also vital to an understanding of what each is saying. By the way I just watched a priest give a lecture. He stated that Vatican council 2 said to rever the Bible the same as the Euchrist. Have you read that?
---Samuel on 8/27/08


Thanks, Nicole, I understand more now what you beleive.
---alan_of_UK on 8/27/08


Alan_of_UK, Note your word unrepentant. If I refuse to repent, then I lose my Salvation. Not, I never was Saved.

You have to look at Salvation as a gift.
It is a Sacrament which means God is the one working not us.
C1116, Sacraments are "powers that comes forth" from the Body of Christ, which is ever-living and life-giving. They are actions of the Holy Spirit at work in his Body, the Church. They are the masterworks of God in the new and everlasting covenant.

So, Baptism is when God gives the gifts of the Holy Spirit to us.
The Holy Spirit is not dormant like a volcano.
HE WILL remind us of God.

But, forcing us is another matter.
He will convict us of our sins, repenting them is OUR CHOICE.
---Nicole on 8/26/08


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AlanUK, I was brought up as a Culture Catholic.
My father only baptized us in Puerto Rico for a party. A tradition that Spanish countries citizen do, baptizing for the wrong reason.
The Vatican has spoken out against these motives. My parents baptized me for human reasons.
The Priest didn't drill my parents enough.

This is the Beauty and Wisdom of Jesus.
Jesus made Baptism a Sacrament. He knows the human heart.
So he never made Salvation dependent of Humans.

God still gave me the Gift of the Holy Spirit, because at least they were obedient by action.

The Holy Spirit guided me as I grew without my knowledge. But as a Volcano, He erupted my soul for Jesus as an adult.
Jesus keeps His promise. John 14:26
---Nicole on 8/26/08


Samuel, because I lived in the Deep South, I know what Protestants mean when they say 'are you born again?' They mean are 'you Saved?'

We do not go around saying I am born again. But, I was baptized.
I know how to answer Protestant's questions.

If you asked them if they accepted the Lord Jesus as their Lord and personal Savior? They would look at you funny.
They may even think you are asking if they had Holy Communion/Euchrist before.
They would say yes, to you.
Because you can not get anymore personal with Jesus than uniting His Body and Blood with our own body. HOLY COMMUNION.

I understand your religious terminology as the RCC's terminology.

We speak two different tongues.
---Nicole on 8/25/08


Protestants cannot excommunicate other leaders not of their denomination.---Samuel

People excommunicate themselves, not from the Church, but from taking Holy Communion. John 6:54

They can repent of their sin. Be united with Jesus. Matthew 16:13-19.

Warning is given to stop their grave error. It has to be a serious matter and having potential of influencing others into their sin.

Priesthood is forever. Not even the RCC can not remove this Vocation. It is a Sacrament
He will be a priest forever in Heaven or Hell. No firing. Just laizing him.
Telling the Priest to use His priestly gifts in a emergency only.
Like hearing confession from a dying person at a car accident.
---Nicole on 8/26/08


Nicole, now you are saying that all who are born are born saved, and can later lose their salvation if they later reject Christ. First you were saved when you were born, then you were saved when you got baptized, then you were saved when you did your righteous deed of eating Christ on Sunday's, then you go to purgatory so that someone else can pray for you so that you can be made pure again because when you died you were not pure at all. Christ sacrafice was insufficient to clean you of your sins, you had to do all those works to gain entry to the Kingdom of God and right now you are not sure if you are saved or not because you don't know if you can trust in Christ for your salvation. Great, what other way are you born again and saved?
---Mark_V. on 8/25/08


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To Nicole

(Samuel, why is it when an angry Muslim who wants to kills Christians, he goes after Catholics most of the time?)

I do not know if it is most. I do know Muslims often refer to all Christians as Catholic whom they blame for the horrors commited on them in the Crusades. I was also referring to members I had meet not everyone.

(I was born-again on August 12th 1972.
The day I baptized when I was NOT yet one years old.
Because my Salvation was free from God.
No condition, action or words needed on my part.)

Good you know that the RCC teaches that you are born again when baptzed as an infant. Many I have meet do not know this.
---Samuel on 8/25/08


Nicole

(What about you? What words did you think you used to convince God to Save you? )

GOD offered me Salvation and I accepted it by faith. Faith which works in love. If when you were older you had not accepted the work of JESUS by faith would you still be saved?

Protestants cannot excommunicate other leaders not of their denomination. When Protestant leaders commit sins like adultery they are fired.

(I heard many saying these words 'They were not truly Saved anyway!')

Those who live in sin are not saved.
1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.


1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
---Samuel on 8/25/08


Nicole: "Tell me, where did you learn this soul reading?"

Guided by the Holy Spirit since I was born (because of certain events in my life). Went up against the doctrines of RCC since I was nine years old. (I was a devout Roman Catholic until I found the truth in the bible)

"Not a True Mother. The RCC will always guide and teach as Jesus commanded Her."

What is a false mother? The Holy Spirit will always guide anyone who asks, NOT the RCC.

"But, as Jesus never force anyone, so His Bride will not as well."

A bride (Christians) does not need to be forced into marrying someone.
---Steveng on 8/24/08


Words used for Salvation?

I Believe...

Many are called...few are choosen.
---char on 8/23/08


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Nicole ... You say you were born again at age 1 when you were baptised.

If you had never once after that had anything to do with Christian things, had never consciously beleived, never prayed, never thought to God, lived a dissolute and unrepentant life,... would you say still say yuo were saved?
---alan_of_UK on 8/23/08


Mark_V., u used 'I', with Salvation. A condition u set on yourself to accept Jesus' Salvation.

How can I trust Christ at 1? Can't you see the madness of this statment?

I didn't have to trust Him as a baby. I belong to Him!
That's like asking how come u didn't have the choice to go home with your parent after your birth? You belong to them!
No effort or word to them to take you home.
As an adult, can you not reject them? Can you leave their home and never speak to them again? You can! As you can reject Jesus as an adult.

No one questions the hospitals giving babies to Moms. No one asked the baby if he wanted to go with them.

But you question the RCC for given babies to God, Almighty Jesus Christ? Matt 19:14.
---Nicole on 8/22/08


Nicole, terroist don't go after Catholics, they go against anyone that will not submit to their believes. Everyone outside of Islam is a heathen and pagan.
You invent idea's to cover what you defend, not Christ but your church.
I have never stated that I wanted to convince God of anything. God had mercy on me a sinner. He came into my life on His own free will. He made a new person out of me, He gave me life, I did not ask for it, I was lost. When He came into my life, I could see the sin in me, and I confessed my sins, and even then He did not have to forgive me. But I believed in His Word not an institutions traditions. In Him. How could you put your faith in Christ? You were one year old. How could you trust in Christ?
---Mark_V. on 8/22/08


Samuel, why is it when an angry Muslim who wants to kills Christians, he goes after Catholics most of the time?

So a Muslim knows a Catholic is a Christian, but the Catholic himself doesn't?

Why haven't I seen these so call Priests and Catholic who doesn't know they are Christians?

Most likely they are like MarkV, Frances008, Kenny and etc, who are EX-CATHOLICS and confused.
You run with their comment and paste them on other Catholics.

I was born-again on August 12th 1972.
The day I baptized when I was NOT yet one years old.
Because my Salvation was free from God.
No condition, action or words needed on my part.

What about you?
What words did you think you used to convince God to Save you?
---Nicole on 8/22/08


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Steveng, I think you misunderstood me? I was speaking to Samuel and showing how he made a fake connection.

Most Prostestants love to blame the RCC for some of her children's lack of knowledge.

But, if a Prostestant makes the same mistake, they make sure no one can blame their Leaders by taking away their Salvation.
THEY DISOWN THEM.

I heard many saying these words 'They were not truly Saved anyway!'

As if they were Jesus themselves. Judge and Jury. They toss their members under the bus!
Tell me, where did you learn this soul reading?

Not a True Mother. The RCC will always guide and teach as Jesus commanded Her.

But, as Jesus never force anyone, so His Bride will not as well.
---Nicole on 8/22/08


Nicole: "I didn't blame the Baptist Pastor or the Baptist system of Teaching."

If there are false teachers in the world, then they are teaching falsely. This means the whole congregation is being misled. Have you not read the seven letters to the seven churches in Revelation? It is the Christian's job to reveal false teachers and prophets.

"Please give the RCC the same consideration."

RCC is a wolf in sheeps clothing, teaching false doctrine. Even Satan uses the bible for his benefit. They (and all other denominational churches) do not train their congregation to go out into the world and spread the gospel - the Kingdom of God and how to get there. They just sit in the pews and are hearers only.
---Steveng on 8/21/08


****Nicole your words, "I know a baptist who thinks he can sin and still go to heaven because he was saved 2 years ago believing Once Saved always Saved. I didn't blame the baptist pastor or the Baptist system of teaching"***

Nicole, doesn't the Catholic Church believe as long as you are a Catholic you are saved no matter what? And if you just didn't quite make the grade here...you just spend a few years in purgatory first, ...but your still saved...because you are a Catholic?

I always wondered why the Mafia and so many petaflops are in the Catholic Church????.....so they can have a licence to sin...and an institution to hide behind...knowing all they have to do is confess to a Priest and walla.....all is well?
---kathr4453 on 8/21/08


Nicole your words, "I know a baptist who thinks he can sin and still go to heaven because he was saved 2 years ago believing Once Saved always Saved. I didn't blame the baptist pastor or the Baptist system of teaching"

I am glad you didn't. He can still sin, the ability to sin hasn't been removed yet. He believes he is going to heaven because he already gave his life to Christ and believes that through God's word and the Spirit helping him through sanctification he will be saved because he is trusting in the sustaining power of Christ.
On the other hand you think you don't sin because the more good you do the more holier you become. And when judgment comes you will have enough good deeds to deserve salvation.
---Mark_V. on 8/20/08


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When a Middle School child does not know there are fifty states. I do blame him and the School.

When Baptist Teach Once saved always and followers believe it is okay to sin.

Yes I do blame the teaching.

I have talked to many RCC and went to Mass as a child. In general the teaching of what true Christianity is. Is done poorly if at all by Priests. In my discussions some Priests have admitted this.

When Nicole were you Born again?
---Samuel on 8/20/08


It has been my experience that the RCC in general does a poor job of teaching basic Christianity.
---Samuel on 8/19/08

You can not base the objective by someone's subjective statement.

If the kid next to me thinks we have 52 States, is it because our School system did a poor job of teaching basic USA information?

How come I know there are only 50 States?
I was taught this in School!
Maybe the kid didn't pay attention.

I know a Baptist who think he can sin and still go to Heaven because he was 'Saved' 2 years ago.
Believing Once Saved always Saved.

I didn't blame the Baptist Pastor or the Baptist system of Teaching.

Please give the RCC the same consideration.
---Nicole on 8/19/08


Ruben, I wish you had read what the passage you gave was really talking about. It had nothing to do with man able to forgive sins against God. The Scriptures speak of three kinds of confession,
1. secret confession between God and man alone.
2. private confession between two people.
3. public confession requiring the exercise of church discipline.
They can be found in Matthew 18:15-20. When you have sinned against God by disobeying His laws, you have to confess to Him.
When we sinned against another we are to ask for their forgiveness for reconciliation.
When we sin and members of the church try to correct us we are to confess our sins are be removed by the Church.
---Mark_V. on 8/19/08


I was speaking with some students and one said I am not a Christian I am Catholic. I asked the young man what the thinks being a Christian is. He was unsure. He did go to mass but he thought that to be a Christian you had to go to some either Baptist or Penecoastal church.

I told him that being a Christian means to follow JESUS. So that the RCC which has crosses of JESUS being crucified is saying it is a Christian church. It has been my experience that the RCC in general does a poor job of teaching basic Christianity.
---Samuel on 8/19/08



I have to agree with you, but the RCC is getting better at it...
---Ruben on 8/19/08


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I was speaking with some students and one said I am not a Christian I am Catholic. I asked the young man what the thinks being a Christian is. He was unsure. He did go to mass but he thought that to be a Christian you had to go to some either Baptist or Penecoastal church.

I told him that being a Christian means to follow JESUS. So that the RCC which has crosses of JESUS being crucified is saying it is a Christian church. It has been my experience that the RCC in general does a poor job of teaching basic Christianity.
---Samuel on 8/19/08


Mark V said : The RCC has moved away from Christ."To believe in purgatory is to believe that the death of Jesus did not remit all punishment due to our sins. It means His death was insufficient.


Please read what purgatory is before you try to explain it!

Confession of sin to priest removes Christ as our Redeemer. Jesus said, "Son, your sins are forgiven" Mark 2:5.

In Matthew Gospel Chapter 9 : 6-8 it reads "But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house."...But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto Men "
---Ruben on 8/19/08


Any kingdom divided against itself will fall.

How sad,
There are so many in this world questioning if there is a God.

We know there is.

How sad,
If one of them are touched by him then come to these blogs and see all this division.

The TRUE MESSAGE is reconciliation.
God sent his word WHO rightfully divides
those who will believe...from those who will not.

Son of Man-IN-Christ,WE forgive because we have been forgiven( brotherly love)resulting in reconciling -the body of CHRIST(church in unity in love).

Son of God-bring us to the Father

GOD FROM HIMSELF, THRU HIMSELF, BACK TO HIMSELF.(FATHER,SON,HOLY SPIRIT)
[NO DIVISION HERE]

Repentance is available...
Praise God for it...
---char on 8/19/08


Mark:-Please understand the word of God before you expound on them.what you know about Confession or Purgatory can be contained in a nut shell.What you say in print may look nice, but it is untrue."He who is not with me is against me."I am sure you do not wish to hear those awful words "I never knew you".This is not for arguemental purposes.
---MIC on 8/19/08


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The RCC has moved away from Christ."To believe in purgatory is to believe that the death of Jesus did not remit all punishment due to our sins. It means His death was insufficient. When Catholics say that Jesus death achieved their forgiveness, how do they explain people having to go to purgatory? Didn't Jesus death take care of our sins when He died on the Cross? I suppose in their view it didn't.

Confession of sin to priest removes Christ as our Redeemer. Jesus said, "Son, your sins are forgiven" Mark 2:5. The religious leaders said, "He blaspheming, who can forgive sins but God alone? Only God can forgive sins and it is blasphemy for anyone to assume that they can forgive sins.
---Mark_V. on 8/19/08


Jesus did not teach uniting ourselves with anyone. He rather taught division. Read the word.
---gayla on 8/17/08

I think you need to read the Word again.

Forgot John 17:20-23?

"I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word, so that they may all be one, as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, that the world may believe that you sent me. And I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be One, as We are One, I in them and You in Me, that they may be brought to perfection as One, that the world may know that you sent me, and that You loved them even as You loved Me."

---Nicole on 8/18/08


gayla: "Jesus did not teach uniting ourselves with anyone. He rather taught division. Read the word."

I read the Word. Several times in fact. Meditated on the Word for over fifty years. Jesus taught about the Kingdom of God and how to get there.

As for love. Love brings together, or unites, two or more beings. Love attracts, hate divides. The bible refers to five different loves - agape, storge, eros, and phileo. Eros love unites a man and a women. Agope love unites people. It's this love that unites christians to think in harmony (which is almost nonexistant today). I suggest do an online bible search for "one another" and "each other" to learn about something you are not familiar with.
---Steveng on 8/18/08


Jesus did not teach uniting ourselves with anyone. He rather taught division. Read the word.
---gayla on 8/17/08


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Nicole: "You hate the RCC!"

Whatever gave you the idea that I hate the RCC? You talk a lot of idle chatter and assume a lot. If you knew me face-to-face, you would have a completely different perspective about who I am.

I wouldn't mind meeting with you, or someone you know, over a cup of coffee in the Pasadena area to discuss many of the issues you assume.
---Steveng on 8/13/08

Sorry, but I live too far. Alabama.

But, you took my statement out of context.
It was kinda harsh I will admit.

You hate the RCC!
So, why would you trust us for food?
It might be poisoned, by the way you think.

You seem to dislike the RCC, not wanting to go to them for food.
---Nicole on 8/14/08


Nicole: "You hate the RCC!"

Whatever gave you the idea that I hate the RCC? You talk a lot of idle chatter and assume a lot. If you knew me face-to-face, you would have a completely different perspective about who I am.

I wouldn't mind meeting with you, or someone you know, over a cup of coffee in the Pasadena area to discuss many of the issues you assume.
---Steveng on 8/13/08


Nicole: "You left something out in your story about the Catholic Church not feeding you. I don't know what?"

It wasn't much of a story. The whole event didn't take more than a few minutes. I was walking down a street, hunger overcame me, I walked into the first church I saw, knocked on the door, told them who I was and my purpose, they told me to come back on Tuesday when the food pantry is open, I said "but I'm hungry now," they said "sorry," I said thanks and walked away. I wasn't going to stand around debating the issue with them. Everything I've done, thought about, dreamed about, the people I've met is documented in my personal journal that I've been keeping since 1967.
---Steveng on 8/13/08


Alan said: If you are refering to the Roman Catholic church as being christian, then you must consider its doctrines and its history. This denomination has done its utmost to rid the world of Christianity and refuses, point blank, to recognise the work of Christ upon the cross.

---Alan on 8/5/08

Have you ever been inside a Roman Catholic Church? Have you ever listened to what is said during the Liturgy (Mass)? Where do you think that the Bible comes from? It did not float from the hand of God to King James in 1600. It was carefully preserved by Roman Catholic monks down through the Dark Ages, with a quill on vellum, one careful letter at a time (See Part 2)
---Ursine on 8/13/08


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Steveng, I pray, I get to see your face when you see Mother Teresa in Heaven.

Your own statement turns against you.
You hate the RCC!
So, why would you trust us for food?
It might be poisoned, by the way you think.

I lived in the Bible belt for many years.
Two things I know.
They hate the RCC.
But, these same people come to us first when in need.

Why?
Because we are Sheep to the right of Jesus!

I was a nun. We took care of Patients with Cancer for FREE.

You left something out in your story about the Catholic Church not feeding you.
I don't know what?

Only you and God knows the WHOLE story.
---Nicole on 8/13/08


Those members of the Roman Catholic Church who loved JESUS and followed Him will go to Heaven. They are responsible for what they knew and did. But many others who only took the job to steal money and lift themselves up will not be accepted. No matter whether pope or priest. Bishop or Serf all will be judged alike by GOD. Not on their office or position like the RCC teaches. But on did they follow JESUS.
---Samuel on 8/13/08


1 Cor. 4:20 speaking to Christians, verse 14. "Beloved Children" Despite their carnal, even sometime immaturity, Paul always looked at the "Corinthian believers" with affection (2 Cor. 12:14,15, Gal. 4:19, Phil. 1:23-27). 4:17 "Timothy" who had been faithfully discipled by Paul could be sent in the apostle place with confidence that he would perfectly represent him (2 Tim. 2:3, 3:10). "I teach" is in reference to doctrine, not advice. By his own instruction and example, Timothy would reinforce the eternal Truths Paul had taught him. Some of the other Corinthians were "puffed up" thinking he was not coming. Paul would not let their proud sinning go unchallenged.
---Mark_V. on 8/13/08


we have common desire that is to serve and glorify God regardless of who you are(a Catholic, a Protestant, or a Christian)..
---selfa5593 on 8/13/08


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Eusebio,
"We are all Brothers and sister, regarding of our faith or lack of it lets join together and work for self improvement and for improving our communities, And this could become a better planet to live in"---Eusebio . Excellent assertion! Bill_bila5659 spoke an excellent word ! On this issue of agreement, "words of doctrine", "faith", and of "Follow peace with all men, and holiness", it does not get any closer to home than in a marriage. Paul's faith on God ,the believer and Man permeates this admonition 1Cor7:12_16 with the only condition that the "unbeliever" follow peace with the believer, peace in action shows in that we are "pleased" in company with one another.
---Nana on 8/13/08


And they (Catholic priest, brothers, monks and nun, sisters) said "for thousands of years we took care of the sick, the homeless, sheltered the refugees, followed vows of poverty, nursed abandoned babies, provided education. We gave love, a lot love." And Jesus said, "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

We are all Brothers and sisters, regarding of our faith or lack of it lets join together and work for self improvement and for improving our communities...

Several times while hitchhiking across America, I would approach a Catholic Church only to be turned down or they would say, "Our food pantry is open on Tuesday." It was friday and I said, "But I'm hungry now."
---Steveng on 8/12/08


I am a Roman Catholic Are not all of us sinner, regardless if we are Catholics or what denomination can point the finger and judge others without becoming liable to be judge themselves?>While in our fellowship, member receive publicity for their wrong doing What about the work that Catholic priest, brothers, monks and nun, sisters have done for thousands of years Caring for the sick, the homeless, sheltering the refugees,following vows of poverty Nursing abandoned babies, providing education. give love, a lot love We are all Brothers and sister, regarding of our faith or lack of it lets join together and work for self improvement and for improving our communities, And this could become a better planet to live in
---Eusebio on 8/11/08


Mic great question. The RCC is included in this, answer, Yes. The Consultation on Church Union, is an effort to blend all of Christianity into one Church. Marry as many denominations to the Catholic Church, and come out with One great Huge Church.

There is two things necessary for a World Church. 1. A whole lot of people who could care less about doctrine. 2. Is a drive for unity with the same concepts of philosophy, love and unity. And it will happen during the period of the tribulation. It's name is in verse 5 of Revelation 17. "Upon her forehead was a name, Mystery, Babylon the Great. The Mother of Harlots and abomination of the earth." Or "The Great Harlot"
---Mark_V. on 8/11/08


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Today's Christians bicker among each other saying, "my church is better than your church." They bicker even among the same denomination. There is no harmony among Christians. This is what is called Satan's great deception that Christians believe that they must GO to church when actually the church IS the Christians. When you GO to church Christians become only hearers of God's Word. You go to church for forty five minutes a week, you sit, you stand, you recite verses and prayers, and sing the same songs and then leave at the end.

I suggest two things: one, research the benefits of joining or starting your own home church and, two, do an online bible search for "one another" and "each other."
---Steveng on 8/10/08


"Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith." (in 2 Corinthians 13:5) I need to examine myself.

Any psychopath can use word skills to prove himself or herself right and appear trustworthy.

Conforming to and agreeing on words of doctrine has possibly nothing, at all, to do with real Christian unity which is in the Holy Spirit where God's words come from. "For the kingdom of God is not in word but in power." (1 Corinthians 4:20)

For me . . . less squabbling, more gobbling of what comes in God's love and how His power infallibly has me living this (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/10/08


Ruben, the Great harlot frequently symbolizes idolatry or religious apostasy read Jer. 3:6-9, Eze. 16:30, 20:30, Hos. 4:15, 5:3, 6:10. The great harlot committed fornication, means the harlot will ally herself with the world's political leaders. Fornication here does not refer to sexual sin, but to idolatry just look at 14:8. All the world rulers will be absorded into the empire of Satan's false Christ. "wine of her fornication" The harlots influence will extend beyond the world's rulers to the rest of mankind just read 15, 13:8,14. The image he see's is not actual wine and sexual sin, but pictures the world's people being swept up into the intoxication and sin of a false system of religion.
---Mark_V. on 8/9/08


The one talked about in Rev. 17:5. And the idea of it, of course, from Satan's standpoint is it'll make it a lot easier to control the whole system of religion if it all comes under one umbrella.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/08


Revelations 17:5 reads "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH", Mark it is talking about a City not a system, please read Rev 18 : 16"And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!"
---Ruben on 8/8/08


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..you cannot unite all the so call Christian religious churches together as one because of love for one another. There is a movement to have a one world church. An organization called COCU they are getting all of the denominations together.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/08

You are right MarkV.

This is impossible to Unite all Christians.

The simple truth is that Catholics and Baptists can not worship the same.
Catholics and Baptists knows this. We both agree.

Only respect is needed.

This was shown with the Passion Movie.
Made by Catholics, but it would have fail badly if it wasn't for the Protestants.

We united against Hollywood and WON!
GLORY TO GOD!
---Nicole on 8/8/08


Markv::Without wanting to throw a spanner in the works,from where do you get this COCU idea.What happens to "My church'in Mat16"13-19 does that also get absorbed in the sponge of this new dimension?Is this a kind of Love In?Rev17 is the whore of Babylon is this your illusion. To be honest with you when I saw the COCU- my mind raced to complete the word NUT.Just thought i'd express my Opinion which is not worth a dime.
---MIC on 8/8/08


I am sorry I disagree with many of you on this matter. First, many that talk about love show very little of that in their evidence to one another as individuals.
Second, you cannot unite all the so call Christian religious churches together as one because of love for one another. There is a movement to have a one world church. An organization called COCU they are getting all of the denominations together. The National Council of Churches is an effort to amalgamate all of Christianity into one great huge world church. The one talked about in Rev. 17:5. And the idea of it, of course, from Satan's standpoint is it'll make it a lot easier to control the whole system of religion if it all comes under one umbrella.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/08


Hebrews 12:14: "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:" Read Romans 12 and also Romans 13:7: "Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due, custom to whom custom, fear to whom fear, honour to whom honour. 8: Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law." Many times the Scriptures teach of loving even our enemies, Romans 12:14_16_21, Matthew 5:43_48, yet some men overshadow the admonition and the command with "be ye separate" and renege their fellow men of their due love, and in that they lose the reward. Ed was a contagiously loving Catholic man and I miss him being around here.
---Nana on 8/7/08


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I am a memeber of the Seventh day Adventist Church. But first and foremost I am a Christian a follower of JESUS CHRIST. I also consdier myself a Protestant following in the pathways of Martin Luther and John Wesley.

There are Christians in all churches. Being a follower of JESUS is not based on correct doctrine but a relationship with GOD.

At the same time I cannot support false doctrine. Sola Scriptora, Sola Grace. Sola Faith.
---Samuel on 8/6/08


Truth has zero in common with falsehood.
---Eloy on 8/6/08


Protestant is another term for Christian. Comes from the Protest of Spiers.

We may disagree with somethings within the church but not about the salvation of our souls that the work is complete
---Alan on 8/5/08

Protestant is protest, but protest against the RCC.

Another form of Christian not term of Christian.

Just like the Reformers.
Reforming the Old, reform the Church.

Title suggest 2nd.
One must be first to protest against it.
One must be Formed to try to reform.
---Nicole on 8/5/08


We maybe one church but whilst upon earth we shall always disagree and not quite see the other persons point of view or interpretation of scripture. However when it comes to forming differing denominations that is sad.

Protestant is another term for Christian. Comes from the Protest of Spiers.

If you are refering to the Roman Catholic church as being christian, then you must consider its doctrines and its history. This denomination has done its utmost to rid the world of Christianity and refuses, point blank, to recognise the work of Christ upon the cross.

We may disagree with somethings within the church but not about the salvation of our souls that the work is complete
---Alan on 8/5/08


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Purgatory is another myth by Satan and believed by persons who think they can have a second chance later,The Bible says that the Believer, when absent from the body is present with the Lord. If you are in Christ Jesus, you are a new creature (creation). Be Obedient!---Robert on 8/4/08

Is anything that is in the Bible a myth?

Purgatory is in the Bible. OT. It isn't in your Bible, that's your problem.

But, the topic is about common beliefs.

What we have in common. We at least have 66 books in common together.
We believe a Jesus, as our Lord and Savior.

We believe in the afterlife and much more.

This isn't the topic for getting shots at Catholics.

Can we at least get along on this topic.
---Nicole on 8/4/08


Bring me some Christians, because I agree!
---catherine on 8/4/08


The Word of God makes no provision for this "in between" zone. In God there is no darkness or grey areas. Where there is light there is no darkness. The Word is light and Truth. When the believer is born again through receiving Christ, there is no in between state. You are either hot or cold toward God. Purgatory is another myth by Satan and believed by persons who think they can have a second chance later. It makes a mockery of the Cross. Jesus said, that regular water and salt water can not come out of the same cistern (faucet). The Bible says that the Believer, when absent from the body is present with the Lord. If you are in Christ Jesus, you are a new creature (creation). Be Obedient!
---Robert on 8/4/08


Former Catholic.
Whether purgatory exists or not is not something we should get obsessed about. We should be obsessed by prayer to, and the Love of, God. We all at times put loved ones before God. We are all human. Prayer (not worship) to the saints does happen when people feel God might be hiding and they need someone to help pray for them. We are all human. Protestants and Catholics are all guilty, to some degree, of worhsipping money in our daily lives. No-one is perfect.
---Ed on 8/4/08


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jana - I guess little things like you get to be damned for worshiping on Sunday would put a bug in your friends bonnets.
Your SDA right, well we're all going to be stamped with 666 one Sunday according to your church doctrine.
---Andrea on 9/19/07


I will not divide myself from anyone that claims the lord is their saviour, We are to love one another,We can win many souls for our father,Jesus said it i believe it! A divided house will not stand.The bride of christ must unite and ready herself for the marriage and stop denying the power of God. So i call upon the watchmen who are giving warning and the ox who treadeth out the corn to keep up the good work you are doing, let none turn you from the path the lord has put you on!
---Duane_Martin on 9/19/07


Absolutely Ed, absolutely, the past should be put behind us and continue as Christ commanded us to LOVE ONE ANOTHER JUST AS I HAVE LOVED YOU. Catholics today are not the same as the Romans in the past and I work with a lot of Catholics who are very sincere friends. Too many on this blog push down churches just bcos they dont agree with their doctrine. Let God be judge.
---jana on 9/19/07


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