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Falling Away From God

I know Hebrews chapter 6 talks about falling away from God and its punishment. If one gets saved, but doesn't fervently walk the path and falls away, can he walk the path later and be redeemed?

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I've been concerned about this scripture in the past, until I realized that I had never seen evidence of the "heavenly gift" or the proposed "power of God." I've more recently become an atheist. I'm not 100% on it yet, but I think I'm leaning towards it. It seems that Christianity has done more harm than good in this world in general and in my life in particular. I realize that this will more than likely be censored, but I wouldn't worry about it too much, nothing is going to happen to you after you die. If God would sentence ANYONE to an eternity in hell for sins and transgressions committed over a mere 70-120 year lifespan, he is a truly, and totally evil being.
---James on 4/12/10


Hebrews was written to Jews who thru unbelief in the work of the Cross wanted to go back to sacrifice bulls and goats for the forgiveness of sin. There is no forgiveness left if they keep on sinning(unbelief in the Cross) They trample the Son of God underfoot.
---duane on 1/8/09


So interesting Mima, JS taught one could lose their salvation...UNTIL he fell....now preaches the opposite.

My Opinion here is this. Maybe God allowed JS to fall hopelessly into sin..to show him that one cannot lose their salvation.

JS allowed his old flesh nature to take over ,feeding the flesh. This I understand is very prevalent in charismatic churches...because many charismatic people are flesh driven. Slain in the spirit is flesh driven, for instance...people who have lost that lovin feeling will do just about anything to get it back.

But the Just live by FAITH, not EMOTIONS!

AND God will remove ALL emotions to test our faith and obedience regardless of how we FEEL or don't feel.


---kathr4453 on 1/7/09


Going by Hebrews chapter 6 and the falling away part could one say that Jimmy Swaggart can never be brought back. He preached this very thing for many years. What is your opinion about this?
---mima on 1/5/09


Honestly, I'm not sure exactly what this verse means. But it does not mean that if you have turned your back on God, there is no second chance for you.

I recall a period in my life, long ago, after a few years of being a Christian,when I began to think that Christianity was likely false and I had been stupid to believe. I no longer called myself a Christian nor behaved like one.

BUT, though I deliberately abandoned God, He did not abandon me. When, after a few more years, I decided to return to the Lord, He was right there, ready to take me back. How great His patience and mercy!

If you have rebelled, or simply strayed, don't think it's too late, you've gone too long or sinned too badly to return if you want to.
---Donna66 on 1/5/09




That's a good question and a very controversial scripture. Here you must study scriptures all through the Bible and God's teachings face to face. I am sure if one has been chosen to spend eternity with God, that he will endure till the end. And God is more than able to keep you from straying from Him. If God really wants you no man can snatch you from His hand. Jesus said, my Father gave them to me. Talking about lost sheep.>>>If True Christians do not go forward in grace then Apotasy [a falling away] will follow. You are then guilty of trampling upon the cross, God's Son, and His Blood. God can forgive but seldom does. And man can not renew themselves to repentance. Misery follows.
---catherine on 1/4/09


Hebrews 6 falling away is done deliberately. one who is mature in Christ yet at some point chooses to drop it all.

for that, there is no way back.

that's different than an immature Christian who makes mistakes and gets into condemnation over it and backs away from God.

for that, there is a way back.
---opalgal on 1/4/09


Yes, God is intensely merciful and longsuffering. If you fall away, you can sincerely repent and return to Him and be safe with God. He knows if your heart is sincere or if you are half-hearted/lukewarm. Return to God, for He will not turn away a truly humble and contrite heart.
---Anne on 1/3/09


Does the bible not say,,repent,be baptized and you will be saved...sav-ED. isn't that the past tense of being safe. Doesn't -ED mean in the end time...it doesn't mean safe for now. It is used in the past tense. Therefore if you truly repent, truly have been baptized, than you will be sav-ED. Period. -God
---james on 1/3/09


That is for people who have tasted heavenly things and make pointed decisions to deny Christ's love over and over again. This is a repeated lack of faith (purposeful lack of faith - we all get weak and lack faith, but being weak is not necessarily purposeful) The promise of the Holy Ghost is an eternal promise. If you repent and get right, God forgives. This scripture is for those who no longer care if they go to Hell and continue to act on it. Clearly, the fact you are concerned is a major indicator you are okay. Read psalm 51 and memorize if you have to. It appears your heart is concerned about not doing this and that is a very good sign you haven't. Hang in and as long as you do that, Jesus can hold you in return.
---aaron_beauchamp on 9/17/08




kyle some Churches teach that once you fall away you can't be renewed to repentance and they use Hebrews to try to "prove" that. The parable of the prodigal son proves that one can become spiritually dead but after repentance come back to the Father again and become alive again. The prodigal son proves that when you fall that isn't the end. You can come back to God. David fell and came back. Avoid Churches that tell you once you fall once that's it, it is a false teaching.
---Matthew_from_LA on 10/16/07


Kevin,

I think that everyone with a tender heart has felt as you feel. We all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Thanks be to God for purifying our hearts and saving us out of the midst of our worst choices! I refer you to two scriptures. The first is Luke 18:9-14, where Jesus compares the prayers of a Pharisee and a tax collector. The prayer of the tax collector is simple: "God, be merciful to me, a sinner."
---Nathan on 10/16/07


If you can say those words with a sincere heart, then be sure that God hears and grants your prayer. We are not saved by anything we have done. We are saved by the mercy God has for us sinners, and by that alone. All that is required of us is to ask God for that mercy, which he as offered to us by the blood of Jesus, and he will certainly forgive us and heal our hearts.
---Nathan on 10/16/07


The second passage is John 21 where Jesus restores Peter, who had betrayed him three times. There could be no worse sin than what Peter had done. He knew that Jesus was the Christ, who would die for the sins of the world. He had pledged to lay down his life with Jesus (John 13:37), but in the moment of truth he failed to do so, instead denying that he even knew him three times (John 18:15).
---Nathan on 10/16/07


Yet such is the mercy of God that not only was Peter forgiven for his sin, but he was made a great apostle spreading the word about Jesus to all nations. As Jesus foretold, at the end of his life, he was even given the chance to do what he had failed to do all those years before: die for Jesus (John 21:18). Our God does not forgive us grudgingly, just barely letting us slip into Heaven.
---Nathan on 10/16/07


God forgives us wholly and eternally, and, over time, makes right in our lives what we have done so disastrously wrong. His grace not only defeats our evil nature, but destroys it with a majesty that resounds from Heaven to the Gates of Hell! Do not doubt that God has both the power and the desire to save you. Praise be to God!
---Nathan on 10/16/07


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Don't forget the man in the temple who prayed "God I thank you that I am not like him" this is one thing Jesus detests

better to be the sinner and rend your garments, better to try to get everyone into the kingdom then to sit in judgment of anyone.
---Andrea on 10/11/07


Linda, excellent point about NOW and not looking back, as well as the clarification of what "fit" means in this context...as you say, well placed.
---Christina on 10/11/07


Hebrews is written to a group of suffering, persecuted Jewish believers, who because of persecution are tempted to forsake the Christian faith and turn back to Judaism. This passage is talking about falling away that would result to immaturity and immaturity towards apostasy. Please start reading from Heb 5.
---ryan3888 on 10/10/07


To take that a step further, there is therefore NOW no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit. The point is NOW. If you look back at "then", you cannot walk in no condemnation NOW. If you put your hand to the plow and look back, you are not fit for the kingdom. That word "fit" does not mean unsaved or worthless, it means "well-placed".
---Linda on 10/9/07


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To take that a step further, there is therefore NOW no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit. The point is NOW. If you look back at "then", you cannot walk in no condemnation NOW. If you put your hand to the plow and look back, you are not fit for the kingdom. That word "fit" does not mean unsaved or worthless, it means "well-placed".
---Linda on 10/9/07


You cannot look back at the things you have done and still be well placed in the kingdom of God. Looking at those things will "mis-place" you and cause you to see yourself outside of Christ. You cannot focus on the things you have done and focus on Christ, who is your life, at the same time.
---Linda on 10/9/07


I dare you to hide behind God's word.>>There are many of other scriptures that you need to look at. Like thou shalt not argue over scriptures. Case close.
---catherine on 10/9/07


cath. . . and you did not understand being slain in the spirit? ha the lord is upon thee woman. praise god.
---amelia on 10/9/07


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catherine, please read Rom 7:21-Rom 8:1...please note that rom 8 starts with "therefore" indicating a continuation from the previous chapter and verses.
the Word gives life, and our hearts ought to desire to see that life come to fruition in others rather then accusation and condemnation. May the Lord bless you.
---Christina on 10/9/07


God only corrects those people that are His. And most people, God will not own. God's people really get their teachings from Him. And unbelievers get their's from Satan. God will have nothing to do with such heresy, as to give a message and tell another person that it's a lie and go tell her. I have often said to God, "people can't touch you, but they can touch me". Ha. Bare in mind, those who justifies the wicked and condemns the righteous both are an abomination to God.>>>It is written.
---catherine on 10/9/07


Kyle, Many years ago I was at a home bible study about 20 or 30 people. One woman began weeping uncontrollable.Someone finally got out of her that she thought she had blasphemed the H/S. Nothing would console or comfort her until God told me to say to her, that her fears were untrue, because had she done this, she would have 'no longer cared'.Immediately she was delivered and received peace.The 'TRUTH' will indeed set you Free.His name is Jesus
---jack8937 on 10/9/07


We can be restored to God, when we realize that we have done wrong and repent.
---Gayla on 10/8/07


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After all, if it is God who corrects you, then it is God who corrects others without you...unless you are God. Usually it is one who isn't really open to correction that is so quick to respond as you did...and so quickly. They that walk by faith shall not make haste.
---Linda on 10/8/07


Just for the record, and I am convicted that it should be this, I always re-read what I write and examine myself while I am writing it. Is what I am writing something that pertains to me first? Probably...and most all the time. It is when we don't make that careful examination of ourselves to see if we be in the faith that we become judgmental, critical, and without mercy.
---Linda on 10/8/07


Furthermore God will be the person that corrects me.
---catherine on 10/7/07

That is true but many times He uses His clay earthen pots to transmit the message. Arrogance will respond as you did. Humility will realize and respond to the God in others. If you don't suppose that He could use Rebecca to issue a word of correction, then I don't suppose that anyone else should be so humble as to receive one from you.
---Linda on 10/8/07


Furthermore God will be the person that corrects me.
---catherine on 10/7/07
Catherine the correctness of the above statement does not keep my heart from aching for you.
---Mima on 10/8/07


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Catherine: So you don't believe God when he says he is married to the backslider? You don't believe in the teachings where the bible tells us to repent of our sins? You show me in the bible where it says if you walk away from God (backslide) he may not or won't forgive you. If God doesn't forgive the backsliders, we're all in trouble. Cause almost everyone at some point backslide on God.
---Rebecca_D on 10/7/07


Rebecca D you need to study, not just read. If once saved and you walk away from God you are stomping on the Blood of Christ and the cross God rairly forgives. Furthermore God will be the person that corrects me.
---catherine on 10/7/07


Catherine: How can you say that God rarely forgives a person if a person backslides? That is a lie. The bible says that God is married to the backsliders. He will always love the backsliders, he just doesn't hear their prayers unless they are calling on him for forgiveness. Never, ever tell anyone that God won't forgive them if they have backslid. As long as there is breath in a person's body, they can be saved and go to heaven.
---Rebecca_D on 10/7/07


To sum it up, return to your first LOVE! Sometimes we get our eyes fixed on circumstances of our lives(I am guilty of this at times) and we take our eyes off of God. As in the parable of the prodical son, our father is always patiently waiting for us to return.(1 John 1:9).
---Cynthia on 10/7/07


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Kevin: If you are calling upon God to save you or to repent, yes he will hear and answer your prayers. Regardless what you go through with in life, never blame God. The reason why a person's life is hell is because they chose for it to be that way. They let Satan walk all over them instead of standing on God's word and fighting back. Only you can make things right in your life with the help from God. He can't help you unless you help yourself.
---Rebecca_D on 10/7/07


I, too, fell away from God or "backslid", if you will, for about 5 years. but just recently, i had a spiritual awakening and i'm in the process of a spiritual cleansing. Praise God, He still loves me! i believe that unless you deny and ignore Him completely and never want anything more to do with Him, He still loves you and will take you back. it's Satan (the Father of Lies) who's trying to tell you that God won't accept you!
---Duane on 10/7/07


As long as you have breath, it's not too late. Repent and fall back in love with Jesus Christ.
Judas did not repent and he lost it all.
Peter repented and Judas did not.

MMR
---Michelle on 10/6/07


I became a luke warm Christian, and didn't go to church, pray etc....Then I was called back to the Lord after many years.
Thank you God! In Jesus Christ's Name! Amen.
---Lisa on 10/6/07


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Kevin, you sound truly concerned about having "fallen away". Being concerned, it is doubtful that you truly have fallen away. One who has won't care and won't even care that he doesn't care. Forgiveness has been exacted by Christ through His work at Calvary. You receive that by faith, not by earning it. If you could earn it, Jesus would not have had to die.
---Linda on 10/5/07


Kevin, are you interested in the personal ministry of the Holy Spirit and willing to e-mail personally with me? If so, contact me through my pen pal id linda3843. I absolutely hate deception, which is the root of what you are experiencing, and care deeply that you come to the acknowledging of the truth that is in Christ. You may not know me, but I know intimately what you are going through.
---Linda on 10/5/07


Kevin>>>I am not exactly sure what your complaint is: If you have ever really been saved and you walked away, I mean really walked away from God, God can forgive but rarely does. My only advice would be to stay on your knees. True repentance, God loves. Your whole future depends on your relationship with the true living God.
---catherine on 10/5/07


I am unsure if Christ hears my prayers. My life is my own fault. My weakness was I did have a complete grasp of scripture. I wish I would have made the right choice. I was only a babe when I left christ. I know that christ can give who he was to give a pass. Thoughts have crossed my mind on what to do to show Christ. I have asked for acceptance threw prayer to christ and asking Christ to place it on there hearts if it is his will.
---kevin on 10/4/07


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God forgives, and it is His desire to forgive, if we repent and turn away from sin. He loves you so much, more then you can understand. Would you turn your child away .no. you would be happy to have your child back. The hardest part is forgiving yourself, its your choice, Gods grace is sufficient for you... salvation is free with heaps and heaps of grace. Gods waiting... and wanting you to turn back to him. If you feel you have no hope, your listening to the enemy satan who is the father of all lies.
---Cheryl on 9/26/07


Kevin, your problem lies within what makes you accepted by God. If you believe you are accepted by your own merit or rejected by the lack thereof, you are not trusting in the person and work of Christ. You ARE accepted in the Beloved. What is required of you is to believe that who He is and what He did is enough, no matter how you feel.
---Linda on 9/26/07


The just (those who are right with God by faith in what Jesus did), live by faith in the operation of our Lord and Saviour. The Gospel reveals Gods righteous judgments and we live out of His being right in everything He did. If a person will allow the Holy Spirit to teach them the truth of the book of Romans, then they will never be like the people in Jeremiahs days, thinking they had gone so far in sin that it was too late for them to turn back to Father God.
---Linda on 9/26/07


They had so deceived themselves that when Father told them to come back to Him, and He would forgive them, they still refused because of their estimation of how bad they had become.

Kevin, it is your estimation of how bad you have become that is keeping your from hearing God's invitation. The invitation is there. You must come and dine.
---Linda on 9/26/07


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This isn't about a proper "self" image. This is about a proper view of God as revealed in Christ and His work. 2 Timothy talks about being granted repentance to the acknowledging of the truth that one may escape the snare of the devil and thereby escape being used by him. To acknowledge the truth is to acknowledge every good thing which is IN you by Christ Jesus. Christ is IN you and is your hope of glory. He dwells there by faith (Eph.3).
---Linda on 9/26/07


I pray that you would be strengthened with might by His Spirit in your inner man, that you would experience the mighty inward strength of God in your spirit through faith in Him. Kevin, it is not about what you have or have not done. It is about what He has done. There is therefore NOW no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus. Notice that it is NOW, not then. If you look back there is, I am sure, occasion for condemnation and accusation.
---Linda on 9/26/07


If you have put your hand to the plow, refuse to look back so you can plow a straight row. If you look back and go back into condemnation, you are not fit for the kingdom. That does not mean you are disqualified but that you are misplaced because you don't know your place in the NOW kingdom of God. Lift up your eyes and look into the heavens where your life is hid with Christ in God. You have been lifted up from the realm of the dust and into the realm of the Spirit.
---Linda on 9/26/07


If your soul (mind, will, emotions) cleaves to the dust, be quickened according to My Word and cleave unto Me. Pull up to the table I have prepared for you in the presence of your enemy (the carnal mind which is death) and feed on the bread of life. It is the showbread of My presence. My bread satisfies, so eat by faith and know that your enemy is swallowed up of My life.
---Linda on 9/26/07


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I still encourage as many as I can to go and be with God as much as I can. I think that no one should have to recieve the fate that God has in store for me. I tell them all but it seems as if a lot of peoples hearts have grown cold as a stone.
---kevin on 9/26/07


Kevin, I will definitely pray for you. God knows that we are dust and He knows that at times we stumble and fall. God loves us with an everlasting love, and He loves us so much that while we were yet sinners, He gave us His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Fix your eyes on Jesus Christ, the author and finisher of our Faith. God bless you Kevin!
---Cynthia on 9/23/07


kevin, God can forgive you, when you are truly sorry for your offense and go make amends to those you wronged, and then pray asking Jesus to forgive you, he will.
---Eloy on 9/23/07


I just wanted to say that I am a person that fell away from God and I never intended for it to happen in my life. I was baptisted and fell away because I failed the test with my mother. I truely reliazed what I have done and wish I could go back those years ago. I was young at the time. I wish I would have not made the same mistake I had made. My heart was turned cold just because remarks that me and my mother agruments were.
---kevin on 9/23/07


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I do deeply regret anything decision that was made by me and wish never to make that mistake again. I do not know if I will ever be accepted by god once more. If anyone could please pray from me. I am not trying to argue or bring fractions between anyone. I just wanted god to accept me. I believe that god accepted the prodigy's child he can accept me too but I do not know. I know that the bible verse says that anyone that wish to return put them to an open shame if they want to return I believe so.
---kevin on 9/23/07


The Bible teaches us that after you have tasted God's salvation, you have seen the light, you have endured sufferings in the early days. and if you walk away, it is the same as trampling upon the cross, the Son of God and the Blood He shed on that cross. Plus, you have insulted the Spirit of Grace. It is a very, very serious crime of which God can forgive but seldom does. You must get to know God. "He is not always so forgiving". We are talking here, the one true living God.
---catherine on 9/18/07


While one has breath they have a chance to repent, and the departed soul may return to the Lord. The danger in leaving God is, that you might never desire to be reunited, and during the time that you are separated if you were to die in your separation or the 2nd Coming of the Lord happen you would be eternally damned: And not to mention the very seriousness of departing from God, and living without him, for then you are subject to unprotection and become God's traitor and are open prey for the Adversary.
---Eloy on 9/18/07


I think they can. The illustration, I'd use, is the fact that the disciples fled, the night Jesus was arrested. Peter denied Him three times and yet they all came back (save for Judas Iscariot) and served Him, fervently, until their martyrdom.
---Gary on 9/18/07


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On this question. I am so glad you asked. God can forgive but seldom does. [Trampling upon the cross is a serious crime]
---catherine on 9/18/07


I believe that if you are truly a born again child of God you will not fall away. It sounds like you are asking can I be saved again. Well I believe that there is only one salvation, not several. Never take for granted the loving Grace that God has given us. He loves us with an everlasting love. He sure did change my life almost 10 years ago. Glory to God!
---Cynthia on 9/17/07


.vanessa, God expects everything in return for his grace, and if you cannot give him every thing, than you will get no grace and no thing from him. "For his doing to be created in Christ Jesus, ONTO GOOD WORKS, which God who before prepared, that IN THEM WE SHOULD WALK." Ephesians 2:10. We are created for what? he says, "Good Works". And we should walk in what? again he says, "Good Works".
---Eloy on 9/17/07


Grace anyone?-
Free gift from God, he doesn't expect any thing in return.
Ephesians 2:8-9


Romans 10:9

Read: The parable of the lost sheep.
I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.-Luke 15:7
---Vanessa on 9/17/07


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Romans 3:23
Jeremiah 31:18-20
We are ALL sinners because we are ALL of the flesh ...Christian or not. Justified-Just as if we never sinned! If we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ & not by works than we cannot lose our salvation even if we fall away.
John 3:7
Philippians 1:6
John 5:24
1 Cor. 1:8
Ephesians 1:13-14
---Vanessa on 9/17/07


John 10:27-29

Everlasting-life means just that, life-everlasting. This life does not begin when we die but when we embrace the savior who died in our place. Our physical birth can never be undone, our spiritual birth can never be undone!
---Vanessa on 9/17/07


If God is condmening this person of their sins then yes they can walk the straight and narrow. If one gets saved but doesn't walk the path, they are called Lukewarm Christians, and God said he'd rather us be hot or cold but lukewarm he will spue us right out of his mouth. A Christian needs to abide in Jesus and Jesus in him always and endure til the end of time.
---Rebecca_D on 9/17/07


They must first be convicted by their sins, then repent, and ask God to forgive them. And then they can start a new relationship with God. Why does people leave out conviction? A person can't come back to God unless there is conviction.
---Rebecca_D on 3/20/07


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they must fully repent & not put Jessu to shame. only then can they be accepted back into the fold.
---candice on 3/20/07


"for it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance."

It doesn't say it is imposibble for them to fall away. It says it is impossible for those that fell away to be brought back to repentance.
---Matthew on 3/20/07


2)
This is describing the falling away that results from repeatededly ignoring of the conviction of the Holy Spirit(blasphemy of the Holy SpIrit). In such a state you are lost for good and will never come back to repentance because you have commited the unpardonable sin.
---Matthew on 3/20/07


3) You can remove the descriptive phrases from the passage and read it as this without changing the message.

"For it is impossible for those who fall away, to renew them again to repentance."
---Matthew on 3/20/07


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Obedience is the result of the love we have for Christ. It is the very evidence of our salvation. No obedience only means we are not changed.
---Bob on 3/20/07


God wants to know---"What did I ever do to cause my people to leave me."
---catherine on 3/20/07


Kyle, it doesn't say falling away from God and its punishment, because they were saved, for those people were not saved. It never mentions that anyone had faith in Christ. All they were, were enlighten, and enlighten is not the equivalent to regeneration (10:26,32) it is clear also that enlightening is not equivalent of salvation (10:29). Tasted the heavenly gift in the figurative sense in the N.T. refers to consciously experiencing something. This could be momentary or continuing.
---Lisas on 3/19/07




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