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Who Was Francis Of Assisi

Francis of Assisi. "Go sell all you have have, give to the poor, and follow me" (Matthew 10:21) - Francis did. Was Francis a Catholic, a Protestant, or a Christian, in spirit?

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Matt 10:21 shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

Assuming topic is really referring to passage where Christ tells a rich man in Matt 19:21 to follow him by giving up possession forgetting that a few verses later Christ tells Apostles that all things are possible through God Matt 19:26

Francis of Assisi was like many other peaceful men who offering nothing but peace and wisdom just like Gandhi giving up all will get them to Gods Kingdom ...forgetting the lesson started in Matt 19:21 and continued on through Matt 19:26

Giving up possessions does not make anyone a Christian in spirit
---Rhonda on 7/21/08

Saint Francis is a friar in the Catholic Church in the 13th Century.
Usually, Monks remained in a convent. Saint Francis started a Religious Order in following Jesus' life esp being completely poor. Owning nothing and caring for the poor.

He was not a Priest, but a Religious Brother.

He is the one that started the custom of the Nativiy Set of the Baby Jesus.
Spoke to wild animals such as wolfs to leave the village alone.

Saint Clare is the other Saint associated with him. She started the Religious Order called Poor Clares with the help of St Francis. Saint Clare's body is uncorrupted. In Assisi, you can see her body.

St Frances is the first documented case of having the marks of Christ. Arms and feet sores.
---Nicole on 7/20/08

A Saint under Jesus Christ.
---Paul on 7/19/08

He was none of those. We shouldn't care what he was. If he knew Jesus he was a Christian brother. That's the only label we find in the Bible. We are told not to label people as followers. 1 Cor.1:12-13
---john on 7/5/08


I used to think i knew everyting and had a hot-line to God. It was only when I discovered that i knew hardly anything and that God is love and loves everybody and that salvation is intended for all (and not some), and that being wrong is not a terrible thing, that i began to find real happiness in my life for the first time.

Now i am not sure whether we all, equally, have a hot-line to God, or whether none-of-us, equally, have a hotline to God .. but are just, equally, special to Him.
---Ed on 8/4/07

2 Alan

(just wanted to clarify last post). Of course we still have to accept God's gift of salvation, and fight temptation, and Love God and neighbour, over love of our own egos etc, fight temptation, until death. And yet we must never forget the graces, gifts, blessings, and happiness that God provides in different ways, at different times, during the struggle towards true life.

God bless Alan (and Marcia).
---Ed on 8/4/07

James 2:17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.James 2:18Yea, a man may say"Thou hast faith, & I have works." Show me thy faith apart from thy works,and I will show thee my faith by my works.James 2:21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?James 2:22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works,and by works faith was made perfect?James 2:24Ye see then how by works a man is justified,and not by faith only.
---Lisa on 8/4/07

Ed ... Since you are Roman Catholic ... EVERYTHING you say HAS to be gobble-de-gook.
That is an Article of Faith with some.
But it doesn't half stifle sensible discussion!!
---alan_of_UK on 8/4/07


'Struck a chord' is a postive thing not a negative thing!
---Ed on 8/4/07


I can't believe I struck a cord with you, sorry.

I was only qouting Pauls words from (2Cor. 10:15-17) If you want to go back and read the passage for yourself you are welcome to.
---Marcia on 8/3/07


To say i talk 'gobbledook' and that i 'boast' just doesn't seem right to me, as a way of discussing religion. You seem have pigeon-holed me into some general concept you have about pelagians and pelagianism (or semi-pelangianism).
---Ed on 8/3/07


On the other hand, on second thoughts, i get a bit more what you mean.
---Ed on 8/3/07


Since God talks through His prophets, apostles, and various mortas etc.. i.e Moses, St Paul - with enormous tracts in the Bible. St Augustine (outside the Bible but who is equally important to Protestants as Catholics). Then why can't Francis of Assisi be important? After all he took up Jesus' teaching of apostolic poverty at a time when Europe was emerging into an epoch of materialism.
Why so hostile about Francis when he carried out Jesus' teaching of apostolic poverty?
---Ed on 8/3/07

3. Marcia

Jesus is God. But Jesus isn't the only person in God. There is also The Father and The Holy Spirit. God wills us not just through the Bible but through other people and through our own consciences. We must believe in and worship not just Jesus but the Father and The Holy Spirit. Jesus said pray 'The Our Father' (with Father representing all three persons). I believe we must take a holistic approach and not to be too prescriptive.
---Ed on 8/3/07

4 Marcia

Remember the Unitarians. They only believe God is one person. We must be very careful to remember that God is three persons. And that the Holy Spirit plays a crucial role in giving us the gifts and grace to follow out God's will. Jesus dies on the Cross for us to make salvation possible. And Jesus tells us what the laws are. But the Holy Spirit guides us in making sense of those laws in our everyday lives and how we can apply our lives to the laws. Otherwise we are just left with laws.
---Ed on 8/3/07


Finally. I can't put into words what you are saying but it strikes a chord with me. I understand what you mean (what the Bible means by boasting).
But i really believe you need to strike a balance between being critical and encouraging, or positive criticism, rather than negative condemnation.
---Ed on 8/3/07

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There could have been a Francis who confronted Catholic leaders during the time period while he is said to have preached Jesus. But this does not mean he was a Catholic.

Catholic accounts of his life reportedly are quite varied. If he had such credibility, Catholic hoaxsters of that so-corrupt time could have appropriated him, post mortem, in order to bolster their credibility.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/2/07

ED: More Gobbly Gook,

Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of KNOWING CHRIST Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ.

I am not impressed by anyone or anything but Christ. And if I must Boast it will be because I know him.
---Marcia on 8/2/07


(2 Cor 10:15-17) Not boasting beyond our measure, that is, in other men's labors, but with the hope that as your faith grows, we will be, within our sphere, enlarged even more by you,

So as to preach the gospel even to the regions beyond you, and not to boast in what has been accomplished in the sphere of another.


---Marcia on 8/2/07


'Nevertheless, I will direct you to one Greater then the Man you want to hold as a posterboy for the church'

You wouldn't call any of the well-known figures in the Bible (Moses, Jacob, Elijah, Peter, Paul, John The Baptist etc ..) 'posterboys' so why for Francis of Assisi? He carried out exactly the will of Christ in taking up apostolic poverty. It took guts, courage - real faith - to do this. Not only this but he touched and helped lepers The Good Samaratin.
---Ed on 8/2/07

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2 Marcia

At the end of the day Francis of Assisi was Italian. Latin people are generally more histrionic in their gestures than people from Northern Europe or of North European extraction. That doesn't mean people such as Francis of Assisi are any less Christian for it.
---Ed on 8/2/07

A Christian is a Catholic, or Protestant or any Christian Denomination that doesn't deny Christ!That has faith in Jesus and what He did for the World!
---Lisa on 8/2/07

Nevertheless, I will direct you to one Greater then the Man you want to hold as a posterboy for the church. I introduce you to Jesus Christ. I pray you will never take your eyes off of him in order to place them upon another man for his works.
---Marcia on 8/2/07

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, 10 but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?' Then I will declare to them solemnly, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.'
---Marcia on 8/2/07

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Who exactly was Jesus referring to?

He was referring to all those who trusted in there works of righteousness and never developed a relationship with him through faith.

Not to be rude or anything but we all know for a fact that the Catholic church puts many things ahead of a relationship with Christ. History has proven this and so has Pope.
---Marcia on 8/2/07

One important rule every Christian needs to learn is how to discern the motives of those who ask quetions. This is something Jesus was good at. The Pharisee always had a motive behind there thought provoking quetions.
---Marcia on 8/2/07

This quetion does not seek to exault Christ but a man for his good works. It is also a quetion set to sow discord between Catholic's and Protestants on this site. I am much wiser and can see clearly the purpose behind this quetion.
---Marcia on 8/2/07

go to St. Francis of Assisi Basilica Cathedral in New Mexico and find out.The best known group following "The rule of St. Francis" is the Order of Friars Minor (commonly called simply the "Franciscans"). The Order of Friars Minor is a mendicant religious order of men tracing their origin to Francis of Assisi.The term Franciscan is used to refer to those in Roman Catholic religious orders which follow a body of regulations known as "The rule of St. Francis",[1]
---Lisa on 8/1/07

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I believe you mean Matthew 19:21. This man done kept the commandments but yet he lack something to have eternal life. He asked Jesus what it was he was lacking, Jesus said go and sell all you have and give to the poor. This man was rich, but when Jesus told him to do this, he went away sorrowful, and Jesus said a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. this passage isn't talking about Francis. The bible says one came to Jesus. Google Francis and he is a Catholic.
---Rebecca_D on 8/1/07

Good point. And at day only God can judge we are Christian. Not us even though we profess to be Christians, whether Catholic or Protestant - St Paul: "you may know all things, you may have faith to move mountains, but if you have no love..." [then faith is meaningless].
---Ed on 2/21/07

Susie::I think you can say the same thing about Chtistians who dont know really what thet want.
---Emcee on 2/20/07

Susie, I've met many Christians who profess God and Christ and are full of hatred.
---Caring on 2/20/07

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Caring...Because someone is a member of a religious denomination does not mean that they know Jesus. I've met many Catholics who had never accepted Jesus Christ, but were merely raised Catholic.
---Susie on 2/20/07

** Yes Barbara, there are also Franciscan Nuns.**

There is a commmunity of Lutheran nuns here, Evangelical Sisters of Mary, who are more Franciscan than anything else.
---Jack on 2/20/07

Yes Barbara, there are also Franciscan Nuns.
---Caring on 2/20/07

He was none of those. We shouldn't care what he was. If he knew Jesus he was a Christian brother. That's the only label we find in the Bible. We are told not to label people as followers. 1 Cor.1:12-13
---john on 2/18/07

John, Francis knew Jesus - of course he did - all Catholics do otherwise they wouldn't be Catholics.
---Caring on 2/20/07

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Isn't there also an order of Francican nuns that developed from his witnessing? I remember going with my Dad to deliver meat from his market to an order of cloistered nuns, I think they were Franciscan.
I have a penpal in New Orleans who is a Franciscan brother.
---NVBarbara on 2/19/07

Woo Hoo, Emcee dearheart, your #'s are turned around! Francis was born in 1181 or 1182, d.1226. He was canonized (as a kid in the RCC we thought that meant someone was shot out of a cannon!) in 1228. A very humble servant of God. In my hometown the Catholic hospital is named for him, with a statue outside of him with birds on his shoulders and other animals around him.
---NV_Barbara on 2/19/07

Francis Bernardone Born at Assisi in Italy 1811, the son of a wealthy Merchant, was imprisoned at Perugia for a year due to his participation as a knightin that town.He had a vocation to serve in the Church of Christ .He abandoned his affluent way of life, he chose 12 followers & took on a vow of poverty,Founded 3 orders,but never became a priest.He made a pilgrimage to theHoly Land& developed the Stigmata in 1224 he died on 2nd Oct 1226He was a simple direct man with an all consuming love for Christ.
---Emcee on 2/19/07

There are Franciscan Friars who are continuing the works of St Francis of Assisi. They preach the gospel, help many people who are in need and are doing a beautiful job following the footsteps of their founder.
---Caring on 2/19/07

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Yes Ed I realize all that from reading, but I just hit the 'high spots' since we are limited in words here.
Grace, I think the "Prayer of St. Francis" is very meaningful and humbling, in fact I have a plaque hanging in my home that bears that prayer, it was a gift from my Mom MANY years ago.
---NVBarbara on 2/19/07

Yes he was a sinner in his youth before he was born again.
But he was far more than you say. He turned to an apastolic life of poverty and preaching, converting many lapsed Christians and heathens, over many parts of Europe, to the Christian faith. Simple, child-like and spontaneous in his generosity, he accepted God's will with unconditional obedience.
---Ed on 2/19/07

Part 1 Attributed to St Francis
Lord make me an instrument of your peace/ where there is hatred...let me sow love/ where there is injury...pardon/ Where there is Where there is dispair...hope/ Where there is darkness...light Where there is
---grace3869 on 2/19/07

Part 2 Attributed to St Francis
O Divine Master grant that I may not so much seek...To be to console...To be understood... as to understand/ To be to love. / for It is in giving... that we receive/ It isn pardoning, that we are pardoned/ It is in dying....that we are born to eternal life.
---grace3869 on 2/19/07

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Matthew 19:21 calls Christians (not just Francis)to give up all for God. Most of us, including Protestants and Catholics, compromise ourselves in our response to this. The first followers of Jesus sacrificed all. And a few people (such as Francis) did as well. Francis lived 300 years before the Reformation when all of Western Europe was Catholic (so impossible to be a Protestant - there weren't any). And Franciscans now comprise both Protestants (Lutherans and Anglicans) as well as Catholics.
---Ed on 2/18/07

He was a Catholic and founder of the Francican Order, born is Assisi around 1181. It is said that he was a rowdy youth and was indulged by his parents. He later was treated with ill will by his parents when he gave up all and entered a life of poverty, giving all he had away to charity. He is said to have had Christ's 'stigmata' on his body. He is considered the patron saint of animals...THE CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA
---NVBarbara on 2/18/07

Can't find the quote now. But it is the one where Jesus asks his followers to sell all their things, give to the poor and follow Him.
And in Mark: "take nothing for the journey except a staff".: 6:8. And then elsewhere where Jesus says not to take coins, extra sandals or staff.So to live the life of poverty in love of Christ.
Francis showed total obedience to God, like the first followers of Jesus did, and as few have done since.
---Ed on 2/18/07

John: "If he knew Jesus he was a Christian brother." Gosh, even Satan knows Jesus, but I surely doubt he is going to heaven. Lots of Christians know Jesus, but just because they say "Lord, Lord" doesn't guarantee a place in heaven.
---Steveng on 2/18/07

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He was an enemy of the Orthodox Church. I know that.
---Jack on 2/18/07

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