ModeratorPermit- Prayer for Trish.
Eternal Father God, hear my prayer for Sis.Trish. we know with God there' Nothing impossible -we ask in Jesus name let your blood cover and give healing,regardless, how it may look or seem, we know you Jesus ARE the Divine Healer OVER everything! We beg you RESTORE these hands, any other places where be the need. We believe without hesitation YOU are IN CONTROL, our sister has dedicated her mind,soul,body,spirit to you Lord Jesus! Be mighty in her healing,receive all glory.In Jesus name.amen.
---Lidia4796 on 12/15/13|
1 timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife,viligant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach. vs 3: not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre: but patient, not a brawler, not covetous: vs 4: one that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity. a woman pastor is not biblical. Ive even seen pastors who can't control their children. these verses say "no wine" it didn't say a little wine.
---shira4368 on 12/11/13|
ok my church not wealthy but is not poor we are getting by and we have a good congregation so I love my church and Iam close to my pastor she's a wonderful lady well that's it oh merry Christmas
---sharon on 12/11/13|
To withallourmind..all respect I agree 100% you so,correct! Yrs. ago visit church it closed down
was the finest church's here. Sad day came! giving out food ,clothing to poor ... Pastor announced mad as I could not believe his tone! said
OUT LOUD!!! " If I do not get $$$ he had asked for at least 40,000 was walking!" the church closed in 2 weeks. I was heart broken. It was a good church. We all got along..
I love the way you described it all my feelings exactly. All I have seen last countless times, church' greed,cliques,anything but the way a church should be. I sing, I was looking for a certain Pastor who famous,writes,creates,sings.. the caption by his name $$$!!!
turn me right off!
---Lidia4796 on 11/23/13|
I don't believe for a minute that the church is run like a business. We know of course that mega churches are run like a business but in reality it is the house of The Lord and surely not a business.
---shira4368 on 11/21/13|
The local church is a business in that it is an organization that needs to be, well... organized. There are practical considerations that God has trusted us with. The local church is self-sacrificial. There needs to be no requirement upon those served for repayment of ministry performed, not even the recent tax-dodging trend of offering ministry in exchange "for a suggested donation in the amount of $XXX...". A local church exists to serve selflessly and to teach its members how to do the same, not to burden people, explicitly or implicitly, with a debt of repayment for service. A church that takes a commercial philosophy is not just an ugly church, but is also keeping people in bondage, which is antithetical to Christianity.
---WithAllYourMind on 11/19/13|
\\large megachurches have marketed God to make money and therefore they are money changers.\\
Your conclusion does not follow from your premise.
\\ the big churches make much money so their pastor can drive a Mercedes and live in a million dollar house. God help them to see the truth.\\
Do I detect a bit of jealousy that YOUR church is not as well off financially? Hmmmm???
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/28/13|
No the church should not be run like commercial organisation.what is the use of attendance and revenue, if there is no Gods presence. So not to worry even satan also provide his people to please them temporarily
---Ravi_Mohan on 1/28/13|
large megachurches have marketed God to make money and therefore they are money changers. the big churches make much money so their pastor can drive a Mercedes and live in a million dollar house. God help them to see the truth.
---shira4368 on 1/27/13|
\\All churches fail God.\\
That means that YOUR church fails God, bike.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/26/13|
Bike: it is reasonable to say that all churches fail God, in the same way all people fail God.
But is there something more definite you want to say?
The question of churches being run like a business.... it is silly. By now, everything in the world is run like a business, it is the temptation of this age. Each age has its temptation, this is the temptation of this age
---Peter on 1/27/13|
All churches fail God. Read of the seven churches in Revelation 2:14,20. "Nevertheless, I have these things against you." 1 Timothy 6:5 speaks of people being "robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain." Yes, I too have heard of mega churches that are run as a business.
---bike on 1/26/13|
"Does this mean that smaller churches have failed God?"
No it does not.
One could argue the reverse and say that those in a smaller congregation have a more intimate relationship with their Lord than those in a mega-church have but that would not be true either.
God loves every one of His children and He will use us in unique ways according to His will The size of the church we attend and the size of its revenue will not sway Him one way or another.
---Rita_H on 1/26/13|
well we know what has happened to the church don't we. I am thankful mine doesn't try to draw the crowds to entertain. the more the church entertains, the more it has to entertain. no wonder our churches are in such a mess.
---shira4368 on 1/26/13|
Randy when success is measured by revenue it is a business for profit. It appears the Pastor has mixed business into spiritual matters and has become lost in greed, of course a church must have a staff that can properly allocate money to pay for building utilities maintenance and other ongoing expenses of operation.
The so-called churches and religious businesses misuse and abuse the nonprofit tax code, best example Joel Osteen is a prosperity teacher abusing the non-profit religious tax.
The Lord Jesus described his church as a little flock and it is interesting to see the false ministers of Satan aligning with the world of competition and claims of massive attendance.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/26/13|
In the modern world, any church larger than a family meeting in their living room needs to be an incorporated entity - and thus run like a business.
Regardless of whether it's primary focus is spiritual or worldly, it still needs to "take care of business". You can have the best intentions and preach all the Gospel you want, but it won't go far if your church goes bankrupt and the bank repossesses your building because you didn't think "running a business" was important.
---StrongAxe on 1/20/13|
I think people confuse the the church mission of reaching lost lives and feeding the flock with running a church with strong administrative principles. Holding a poor office performer accountable is not the same thing as running the church for a profit. If we were honest about it, holding a poor office performer accountable is Scriptural in that church leaders are accountable to the church for using funds wisely. There needs to be clarification between why a church exists and how it is run.
---Diana_Liles on 1/20/13|
I would like to see the churches run to benefit the needy and the poor, the unsaved and those who need spiritual help. This includes the members as well. The pastor should benefit from the proceeds because he does a worthwhile and very needed ministry. We would perish without a preacher or some type leader.So they should be compensated but within bounds. Sometimes people within the church need more help than the non members. Their needs should be attended to, sometimes. This is love in action.
---Robyn on 6/13/07|
The Lord taught us to pray "deliver us from all evil."The word says the love of money is the root of all evil.
It says where there is envy and strife there is confusion and every evil work.
No preacher should ever run a church like a business or trust in that which the Lord told us to pray to be delivered from.
I personally feel the envy, stife and evil of supercenters is due to their love of money.
Many preachers and flocks could benefit from a good dose of poverty.
---Frank on 6/12/07|
If the pastor and his family are the only ones who benefit from the money that is made...I say no. I hear of pastors wanting day care centers with schools right on the church grounds. The daycare center and the school makes money. Where does this money go? Certainly not to the members. It goes into someones pockets. The only people benefiting from any money in the church is the pastor and his family.
---Robyn on 6/12/07|
No. Small churches have a work to do for God also. Does not matter the size of the church or the work for Christ.Smaller churches sometimes have more ministries and do more outreach work than larger churches. God blesses whatever we do if we do it in the right spirit and to glorify Him. This applies to all Christian workers, as well. We have a work to do inside or outside the church walls. God see what we do for Him.
---Robyn on 6/11/07|
I call such churches, "The Church of the Rich Young Ruler".
When you mix Christianity with money there will always be huge trouble just around the corner
Satan began to prompt Judas as this weakness in his life became apparent
In Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus was stern to mention that not everyone who says to Him 'Lord Lord' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven but only those who "do the Will of our Heavenly Father"
May God Bless you with sincere faith
---Tim on 6/11/07|
If church fund raising and allocations seem to follow good business organization, investment, and the like, I see nothing wrong with that. Mega churches with money to spare usually always use it for some kind of outreach.
Small churches should never feel second rate. Big or small they have the same goals of sheperding their flock, saving as many souls as they can, taching the young, caring for the orphans and widows, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ, our Savior.
---Virginia on 2/26/07|
I agree with John that the Bible doesn't compare church to business yet it always compares the kingdom to family.
If you want to know what Gods business is then this is it:
That none shall perish, all will be saved, that we all would know Him intimately, that His children would be His ambassadors to the lost. This is the only business of the Kingdom of God.
---Tim on 2/23/07|
I have a Christian media ministry. Next week I am filming an ex-Pastors testimony. He was in full-time ministry as a regular charismatic Pastor for 5 years before he realized that he had never truly repented and that he did not know Christ.
It may surprise some here that not all Pastors are saved. Jesus taught us this clearly in Matthew 7, many do not seem to want to truly listen and learn from the lessons of Jesus but offer plenty of lip service....
---Tim on 2/23/07|
Could it be the reason his church is such a success is because he has sold out and runs it like businesses in a world we are to be willing to forsake? Maybe he should measure success by feeding the flock of God to bring them from faith to faith so they have the power to endure unto the end. But then again, that wouldn't sell!
---Frank on 2/21/07|
Envy, me envy over a church that has more money than they know what to do with? And not personaly knowing the people in the congragation? Nope, not at all. Not all big churches are like that, but most of them are.
---Rebecca_D on 2/21/07|
Any large church or religious organization has to use sound management principles to manage their programs and operations. Those at that are not well managed do not survive and are just as chat that are blown away. Churches that are not well managed are analogous to those that build the house of God on sand, Churches that practice sound managerial principles as like those that build the house of God upon a rock; they have long term survivability and can deal with dynamic obstacles in the environment.
---Phil_the_Elder on 2/21/07|
It's a sad way to measure success. The Bible doesn't compare church to business. It compares is to family. Run the church just like you run a family and you will have success God's way. Small family or big makes no difference.
---john on 2/21/07|
** No, it just means that the smaller churches have God. The big churches like that are only thinking of themselves and how they can better their profit and hardly give God the glory. **
That's hardly fair, Rebecca. Or do I detect a bit of envy in your words?
---Jack on 2/21/07|
No, it just means that the smaller churches have God. The big churches like that are only thinking of themselves and how they can better their profit and hardly give God the glory. Alot of people have churches so they can get rich off of other people, and they sit back and suck in the money. God sees that, he doesn't overlook that. Nor does he overlook the smaller churches that are of God.
---Rebecca_D on 2/21/07|
Any pastor who measures success by attendance and revenue has either lost his way or he never knew which way he was going in the first place. He should go and work for a commercial organization. However there is nothing wrong with church officers being organized and efficient. We should do all things well because we are doing them for the Lord.
---m.p.a. on 2/21/07|