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Pastors In Expensive Homes

Why do some pastors live in large expensive homes when others live like normal people. Do some pastors believe they deserve the expensive stuff just because they have large churches?

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1/2 2nd submission.
If a Pastor, or his family, are greedy, he is disqualified for ministry *1, 2. If he insists in tithing (law), he should live on it only, which would equal the average for your region - give the difference to poorer ministers. If he makes money writing a book(s), the profits belongs to the congregation. The various outside stipends he receives (speaking engagements, etc.) should be deducted from his salary. An exception, those Godly Pastors who received very little for years, deserve to get all that money back!
p.s. the tricks they use to get birthday and Christmas presents should be strongly discouraged.
2p.s. Diana 5/24 *3.
---Glenn on 6/3/11


THEESE ARE THE MINISTERS OF SATAN!!!

They preach such heresies and twisted scripture that cause nausea to TRUE CHRISTIANS.

That Christ Himself saids of these...

"I will VOMIT you out of My mouth".

They teach what tickles the ears. Heresy such as Pre-Trib Rapture . Inviting Praise and Rock music as holy. ANYTHING that sells a seat works for them.

For they follow Antichrists like Joel Olsteen, Ricky Warren etc

Their audience are the FAKE CARNAL BOURGIOSE PHONIES WHO ARE THE GOATS OF MATT 25.
ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND EARTHLY TREASURES/LUSTS!!!!
---John on 6/3/11


2/2
*1, 2 Deuteronomy 25:4, Matthew 10:10, Romans 15:27, 1Corinthians 9:9-11, Galatians 6:6, 1Timothy 5:17-18.
As verses Romans 1:29, 1Corinthians 5:11-13, Ephesians 5:3, 5, 11, Colossians 3:5-6, 1Timothy 3:3, 8, 6:5-11, 2Timothy 3:2, 4, Titus 1:6-7, 11, 1Peter 5:2-3.
*3 Hosea 8:1-14 (6), 2Tmothy 2:14-26 (15).
---Glenn on 6/3/11


Maybe is god's way of showing approval for their sermons...
---atheist on 6/2/11


It varies, some are guilty of greed, while others are genuinely blessed by the Lord. Whatever one has, belongs to the Lord, and should be used as God directs. If one has much, he is to bless much, with whatever he has been given
---Christina on 6/2/11




I have not met many men that were men of God! The greatest man of God(in my opinion) I've ever met was without a doubt the poorest, humblest, appearing to be the most destitute of all! In his presence you could sense God's purpose driving him. He was a street preacher in Georgetown Barbados.
---mima on 6/2/11


In the bible 12 tribed to give more than 10 percent of all they had to one tribe.

How then could the priest not be amoung the richest in the land?
How could they not be the first to show and enjoy the blessings of God?
---francis on 5/28/11


Yes. Some pastors went into the ministry as a business and profession.They want to be paid, above all.If the church was not making money for them, they would run like a hungry jack rabbit. Not caring about the congregation or any thing that entails. They believe the congregation should support them and their families. Including their many wants and pleasures. Which has no end. We all know that. I think most pastors motives for pastoring, is all wrong.
---Robyn on 5/26/11


//he should look blessed in every aspect of his life//
He should BE blessed. But if he thinks expensive stuff signifies blessing, I wonder what he teaches his flock. Is he above having a few wants and needs like most people?
---Donna66 on 5/24/11


My husband is a proclaimer of God's Word. I want to say this...The preacher is worthy of his hire!!! and if he is God's child and is preaching the word he should look blessed in every aspect of his life. No! Preachers should not mistreat the church! But the Church should be willing to take care of him, his wife and children. They should not have to want for a thing at all. If they are contributing to their spiritual growth the people should have the type of heart to make sure that they have everything that they need. It is a sad thing when the preacher has to beg for the Church to help them!!!!

Sincerely, Dianna
---Dianna on 5/24/11




I don't mind if the pastor drives a big car or lives in a big house. Mine does - and I still tithe faithfully, and have no plans to stop.
---Rick on 3/21/09


The bible teaches the body has one head Jesus Christ,the rest of the body has different functions,all nessary.
The bible teaches equality in the CHURCH,some divided it into laity and clegry.
Giving some with certain GIFTS to think themselves more important than others.
Leading them to believe they should live above others.
JESUS our esample,says foxes have holes, the son of man has no where to lay his head.
Jesus says him that is great serve the least.
He who have,give to have nots.
---LIONEL on 12/19/07


The kings of the old testament had wealth as they were a type and shadow of Christ. Such as Solomon being a type and shadow of Christ being rich in wisdom.
The apostles and preachers of the new testament were not rich. Lowly fishermen, tentmakers and such. Types and shadows of the bride that needs her husband's support.
The word says time and again that those with an abundance should be willing to give to those in need.
Everyone, preachers included!
Frank
---Frank on 12/18/07


The time has come that the WOLF can no longer HIDE among the sheep, in in sheeps clothing.What is given to the Church is for everone to prosper from.Todays church
is more pagan than it is righteous.It have
merged into one with the world.
We are now at the end-times of the dark
time-span of the 10th of the 12 world major
occurrences of His GODHEAD,WHEREAS, THE Spirits OF HUMANKIND is nder the YOKE OF
DARKNESS and spiritual captivity.Read my profile i am jack8773
---Jack_8773 on 12/17/07


I don't believe that those pastors are doing the right thing in having those huge expensive homes, no matter what the size of the church the money brought in is not for the pastor but for the Lord.
---Susan on 12/17/07


If we really look at eternity as eternity, we would value the preachers that are leading people to Christ. I hear no complaint about the television stars or athletes that live lavish lifestyles because they entertain us. A preacher giving the gospel of the kingdom, that saves a soul from eternal damnation and empowers them to walk in dominion on this earth truly has done Gods will. They should live lavishly.
---James on 12/16/07


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Did any of you hear of the $23.000.00 dollar toilet seat, bought by one televangelist, on CNN last night? Well they may very well be sitting on a haystack in heaven with a house of wood, and a foundation of stubble for their eternal home. Wo, to those LAODICIAN PROUDLINGS.
---Whisper on 11/13/07


Most servants do not live in expensive homes or live lives of extravagance!
---Mima on 11/13/07


I see nothing wrong with pastors living in expensive homes. Solomon was a man of God and he was the wealthiest man on earth. Some Christians don't believe they should have a lot.
---Catherine on 11/13/07


Depends what gospel they are preaching. If they preach and believe the false prosperity gospel, then they will live a luxurious life and have large churches.
---Helen_5378 on 11/13/07


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Foxes have holes birds have nest but the Son of man has no where to lay his head.Love not the world neither the things of the world,he that loves the world the love of the Father is not in him.
Let him thatis great among you become servant to all.

And the multitude of those that believed were of one heart,onesoul,neither said any of the things which they possessed was his own,but they had all thingscommon
---lionel on 11/12/07


Pastors/preachers should be able to live as they please. It depends on the egos,focus and what dwells within the heart of these leaders. Some are more humble than others and may choose to live a toned down lifestyle. Choosing to identify with their members and other followers. Some are more egotistical and want to flaunt their wealth. I think it is personal taste on the leaders part. I believe we should be modest in all that we do.
---Robyn on 11/12/07


If such pastors are running their churches like businesses then they will likely make a good profit. They are also accountable to God for this! My first ? always is "How many missionaries does the ministry support and do they live to the same measure as the Church minister?" Study Matthew 7:21-23
It your choice to whether you sit under such a ministry.

tim7545
---Tim on 11/12/07


believers can have big homes and all that stuff but disciples are called to travel with the rock as there pillow, living out of a welcoming home.
---johnlovesginalyn on 3/14/07


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A Pastor may live according to his income. He must make his living choice under the guidance of the Church Board. He has to live according to the level of income of his Church. Comparing a Pastor to another is not good, because in the Congregational expression of the Church, there are some "poor Churches" and other that are "riches". 1 Cor 1: 9 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?(KJV)
---TIOWA on 3/14/07


If I was going to judge, I would say: instead of 'bigger and better houses' maybe they should spend the $ to help bigger and better things, like mission work or helping feed the hungry or education...
---sue on 3/1/07


That okay, when I first came to Christianet I used to read things post and then realise I had not read the post correctly, your not the only one lol :)
---Carla5754 on 3/1/07


I think it is because some pastors have more members and are able to afford bigger and better homes.but please dont be judgemental because we dont know what it took for that pastor to get what he has.
---carol on 2/28/07


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clara, I was replying 2 the question posted dear n didnt realise or read your other post ....
---jana on 2/28/07


That's the spirit Mary That should be everyones testimony, when a pastor?bishop works so hard with his ministers, his church is full of repentant sinners daily, weekly, yearly and teaches his congregation well. we should in turn make sure they are well looked after, just as we would if we entertained Christ, because he would mirroe his ministry, Not Them Making Sure Their well OFF Regardless of cost..... lol
---Carla5754 on 2/28/07


Hi y'all :) I just want to say, I agree, the goal of preaching shouldn't be wealth, but I love and respect my minister and his family so much I wish we could give them more--they, like most minister families, are truly deserving of the best. :)
---Mary on 2/27/07


For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Does this mean that Jesus had riches, but he did not use to them to impress others, instead he used his poverty to enrich others with faith, thru the miracles he performed without wealth; such as turning the loaves of bread and fish into enough to feed the mulititude.
---chris on 2/27/07


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Matthew 6:19,20 "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:"
---tofurabby on 2/27/07


Jana, Humbly, Just in case you are addressing the post I wrote, Did you actually read it with ichy ears and anger. Next time calm down and read the post correctly, Its okay! we all have to learn, how did you miss the most important part which stressed ''I didn't care....as long as they have a regular job and paid for it them selves'' (which would include what is theirs rightfully) To wrap this in a nut shell, not to make Merchandise of Gods people, Phew!
---Carla5754 on 2/27/07


God will take away from sinners and give to His people. He also will bring down and lift up.
---catherine on 2/26/07


clara, stop criticizing God's servants. Some have inherited fortunes from parents etc..not their fault n why should they live a life of a pauper when they can afford 2 live the way theyre use 2. just bcos they do as they please does not mean they r not of God. Jealousy is of satan so leave God's servants well alone n concentrate on getting yourself right n ready 4the rapture.
---jana on 2/25/07


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Big houses, big cars, how do they minister to the lost that live on the streets and explain that their tithes paid their mortgage and the sirloin steak they are going to eat Sunday DINNER TIME, while the down and out return to the streets? I don't care if the pastors have big expensive houses/cars etc just as long as they have a regular job that paid for it. I don't see why this array of wealth including the bling needs to be there accept for the love of self.
---Carla5754 on 2/25/07


We are to love our Pastors. If he is deligent and mending his sheep then they have to be supported. The laborer is worthy of his wages.As long as our Pastor is worthy and truthful, he is the recipient of God's promises. "I come that you may have life and have it more abundantly"
Jeremiah 29:11, jeremiah 33:3, Seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all shall be added unto you.
---ana8864 on 2/25/07


I can't speak for all Pastor's but my Pastor and his wife lives just as normal as I do. He works full time out in the world and he is a full time Pastor. He isn't above anyone. I know Evanglists have a great deal of money and 2-3 houses in different states. But the "fruad people", God sees that and writing it down. There is nothing hidden from God and there is nothing new under the sun.
---Rebecca_D on 2/24/07


Stop all the quoting, and simply look at the life of Jesus. Did he accumulate wealth? Was that important to him? If he had accumulated weatlth, what do you think he would have spent it on...himself or others in need.

I don't think pastors should live in mansions, I don't think that is was Jesus had in mind for those following in his footsteps.
---alan_watts on 2/24/07


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Ephesians 2:7
That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 3:8
Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; SALVATION!
---kathr4453 on 2/24/07


Jack - You left off the rest of Susie's post. Susie is right that Jesus did not die on the Cross for us so that we can become rich. She is talking about financially rich.
---Helen_5378 on 2/24/07


Jack ... That did not mean worldly riches
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/24/07


I am sorry Jack, you are a victim of the "man centered" gospel. It is a deceptive flesh driven message.

Jack, do a indepth study on Matthew 7:21-23 and you might be surprised what you find....

The man centered gospel of selfishness only creates serious trouble and in the light of God's word it is clear that it is deception.

God Bless to all

Tim7545 (Christianet profile)
---Tim on 2/24/07


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Jack, I've read that poor in that context, means poor or rich in spirit, not poverty or wealth. What say you. Go ahead, bust my chops. People like that kind of thing.
---Bob on 2/23/07


jack, I perceive that many here dont realize that jesus was speaking of spiritual riches, or the rewards in heaven.soooo many people ,christians caught up in materialism.they have big homes cars, money ,but are sooooo poor.
---tom2 on 2/23/07


Wouldn't the world be a great place if we all helped one another. If rich gave to poor, if poor gave their hope to the hopeless, if the hopeless could temper the arrogant.
---alan_watts on 2/23/07


** "Jesus became poor so that we could be made rich."

This is SOOOOOO not Biblical.**

Susie, is 2 Cor 8:9 not in your Bible?

For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
---Jack on 2/23/07


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Rickey ... I never read in the Bible, either from prophets, Jesus or apostles, that we should use our faith to acquire wordly riches
---alanUKquent64534 on 2/23/07


"Jesus became poor so that we could be made rich."

This is SOOOOOO not Biblical. Jesus went to the cross so that we might have eternal life! Jesus did not come to this earth so we could become rich!!!!!!
---Susie on 2/23/07


If the pastor(s) have truly invested,earned this money or someone gave it freely,OK. When they say "there is a need" and don't say for what and people give thinking the church has a need, that's wrong. When they ask for 10-20% of your salary forever to finance something for themselves and also receive a salary, that's wrong. Been there, done that. Got out. If they have a million dollar residence and don't care where you live as long as you 'celebrate' them, it's time to vote with your feet.
---ann on 2/23/07


I agree w/ willow. I have a question too. Why do folks knock pastor who drive expensive vehicles, etc.? There is nothing wrong w/ having those things. The love of money is the root of all evil. Having money & expensive things isn't wrong. If it is show me in the bible. Pastors that have these expensive things have used there faith to get it. You don't know what they are doing for the ministry. They have probably did what Jesus said in Luke 6:38 & Malichi 3:10.
---Rickey on 2/23/07


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Let's forget the pettiness. If someone is prospering financially don't judge them. Jesus became poor so that we could be made rich. Salvation does not include poverty, but prosperity(financially, physically, spiritually, etc.).
Seek God's kingdom(His way of doing and being) and all these things will be added to you.
---Rickey on 2/23/07


The Kingdom of God is Peace, Rightousness and Joy in the Holy Spirit. This is fact, it's right in the Bible.
How come Jack has none of these qualities. I have been reading quite a few of these blogs lately and this time I had to write something. Jack, you are a trouble maker. I noticed how you infect a blog with your rhetoric. You go blog to blog with your trouble. There's no peace when your around, and it's a shame. Clara had a valid question, that's all.
---Amber on 2/23/07


I have a Christian media ministry. Next week I am filming an ex-Pastors testimony. He was in full-time ministry as a regular charismatic Pastor for 5 years before he realized that he did not know Christ and that he had never truly repented.
It may surprise some here that not all Pastors are saved. Jesus taught us this clearly in Matthew 7, many do not seem to want to truly listen and learn from the warnings of Jesus but offer plenty of lip service....

tim7545
---Tim on 2/23/07


The only people whose business it is is the congregation he pastors.
---Susie on 2/22/07


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Here is Willows answer,"LETS GET BACK TO SAVING SOULS AND FORGET THIS PETTINESS." Goodness what a good idea!!!!!
---Mima on 2/22/07


Stuff is stuff. It doesnt matter whether they live in a castle or a studio apartment the truth is if God has blessed them then so be it. The heart and where they are with the Lord is all that matters to speculate in matters like these only shows how pride can get in the way of Godly thinking. our eyes look differently when we put on the mind of Christ then the questions seem to be like this." Do I put my worldy posessions above God?"
---Edwin_Larkin on 2/22/07


You might be surprised to learn that there are ministers (pastors included) who do not get paid at all. I'm not talking about those televangelists who have written so many books that they don't need their churches to pay them anymore. I'm talking about sincere ministers who serve the Lord without pay.
---Susie on 2/22/07


Anyone can live they way they want if they can afford it. Pastors are people, too. I would hate to see a pastor live large on money that is put aside to help others who are less fortunate.Or misuse and abuse church money. I don't support that. Otherwise a pastor, especially a good pastor, deserves wages from the people he is shepherding. If he so chooses to live large, and can afford it, it is none of our business.
---robyn on 2/22/07


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Jack, a self-employed pastor also has the ability to "opt out" of paying self-employment taxes. If a pastor chooses this option he is disqualified from receiving Social Security benefits later in life but if he has been investing all the money that would have gone to the government, his retirement income should be far greater than a SS check. I wish we all had that option.
---ralph7477 on 2/22/07


I have mentioned this many times, but I'm going to say it again.

Contrary to what people think, clergy DO have to pay income taxes. Since all clergy are considered self-employed, they must pay at a HIGHER rate of withholding.

Furthermore, if the church provides a residence for the pastor, the minister is also taxed at the fair market value of the rent of said residence.
---Jack on 2/22/07


Part 2:

Do I detect some jealousy and envy in your posting, Clara?

As the old story says, a church board once prayed, "Send us a pastor, Lord, poor and humble. You keep him humble and we'll keep him poor."
---Jack on 2/22/07


Amen Willow! How about all those Christians who are living in big homes and driving expensive vehicles? Why just make pastors accountable for their actions? If you're not giving to those in need, then what God has given you is useless.
---Susie on 2/22/07


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Am 5:12 "For I know your manifold transgressions and your mighty sins: they afflict the just, they take a bribe, and they turn aside the poor in the gate from their right."
---jhonny on 2/22/07


tell me my friends to those of you who live in nice expensive houses do you believe you deserve the expensive stuff just because you have a good job? do you give to the poor and the down trodden? why should you expect a pastor to do what you won't?
LETS GET BACK TO SAVING SOULS AND FORGET THIS PETTINESS.
---willow on 2/22/07


clara, the ones I know live in a normal type house and support other ministries outside of their church. I haven't met a Pastor who lives in a large, expensive home, but I bet they are out there, huh? Well I say, I hope they give to other ministries to support the poor and the needy, not the greedy.
---donna6598 on 2/22/07


Ever heard of a minister who works a full-time job so he can afford a nice house? That's the way it works at our house. Everything we own we paid for out of our own pockets with our own jobs. No pastor should be living a life of luxury on his church's money when the people down the street are going hungry.
---Susie on 2/22/07


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TO Eloy: your answer to this question is very very revealing. And if you insist on telling the truth I'm going to quit reading your post. Ha ha
---Mima on 2/22/07


Well, I certainly hope that is not their attitude. Listen here. Whatever God gives you or me, it is FAVOR. We deserve nothing. I think that we all know what we deserve. RIGHT.
---catherine on 2/22/07


Some unsaved ministers believe that, and some others take no thought of the poor and needy whom are suffering in the world, let alone those less fortunate parishioners in front of their very sight in their churches. I do not care how shiny and clean they wash their person and how costly their formal clothes are, for they are selfish and hypocritical and will be condemned to the fires of hell for not ministering to the poor and those in need.
---Eloy on 2/22/07


Because they preached tithing and giving to God, and many people give him the money.
No money means no large expensive homes. Better help people who are poor.
---Randy on 2/22/07


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There's nothing wrong with having nice things if God allows this. I'm almost 62 years old and I could never afford a house, I'm still renting, but I'm still praising God.
---J_P on 2/21/07




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