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Matthew, In your 3'rd post you are getting close to the "truth." However, as you mentioned, Jesus did have the "glory" of God with him, yet the Son was going to give the "glory" back to his Father, therefore allowing Jesus to be worshipped on earth.
---Johnny_5 on 8/13/07


Lisas, First of all it doesn't say "I am I my Father" read correctly.
---Johnny_5 on 3/11/07


Exzucuh, When Jesus resurected Lazarus, didn't Lazarus die again later? Because Jesus had not died yet, so there was no resurrection to "eternal" life. He probably lived a few years later, then "died" again.
---Johnny_5 on 3/11/07


You speak of such a thing as; being no time in the spirit. But I'm speaking of heaven. You seem to be implying of untangables. I'm taking it for granted that you also believe as I do, heaven is a physical place. Other wise, our faith is in vain. I'm suggesting that in order for God not to change at any time, he would have had to exist in heaven, even in the time of earthly visitation.
---mystery on 3/10/07


The 3 nouns "the Father" and "the Word" and "the Holy Ghost" are all manifestations of the one God, namely, Jesus. Represented like 3 points of a triangle, so is God; and like 3 drops of water dropped on each other is 1 drop of water, so is God. According to the Holy Scripture, Jesus is called the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost, he is Immanuel, God with us. Please read Isaiah 48:16; 7:14; 8:10; 9:6; Matthew 28:19; I John 5:7,8.
---Eloy on 3/10/07




There is no time in the Spirit, time was created by God for us. when we walk in the Spirit we are
in the now faith is, when Jesus raised Lazerath
Martha said he will be raised in the resurrection Jesus said I am the resurrection meaning time is meaningless to me. If you can grasp this you are very close to the kingdom of God.
---Exzucuh on 3/10/07


I have heard it said often about a pre-incarnate Christ. But if God is always the same, never changing, how could he have a pre-incarnate appearance? Wouldn't that mean also that his appearance never changed while on earth from that of heaven? Or, is heaven such a place in which time isn't such a relevant factor?
---mystery on 3/10/07


Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
---Exzucuh on 3/10/07


Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
---Exzucuh on 3/10/07


2 Timothy 4:22 The Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit. Grace be with you. Amen. <>
---Exzucuh on 3/10/07




2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

the only way you can know Jesus is by the spirit of Jesus that is one with the Holy Spirit. Jesus Father is the Holy Spirit and that Holy Spirit is the power that God gave to him that is why no man can come to God unless they go through Jesus he has the keys, he is the giver and baptizer in the Holy Spirit and Fire.
---Exzucuh on 3/10/07


lisas you are saying the scripture is wrong, all I am doing is giving it to you, your problem is with God not with me.
---Exzucuh on 3/10/07


Lisas, By Jesus saying, "I am one with the Father" does not mean Jesus is God, rather it means they are in "union" with each other, just as a man and woman get married, they are to become "one". They are in agreement with each other.
---Johnny_5 on 3/10/07


~~~, I don't know where you got that I am a JW, but of course you're wrong. I said I believed that they're right on some things, mainly about the "Trinity." However, I disagree with other things. So you are just Absolutly Clueless with your comment about me. Either you're blind or you have a problem with reading. God bless anyway.
---Johnny_5 on 3/10/07


Exzucuh, you have it wrong on your explanation on those passages you interprated on John 10:38. It has nothing to do with us been in Christ, as to your agruement. We are only in Christ in a manner of relationship. Communion with Him, not that He lives inside our bodies for He is Spirit and is Omipresence, everywhere. Even when He was incarnated He could not continue His work because He was in a human form. He needed to go away for the Spirit to finish the work.
---Lisas on 3/10/07


2. "I am My Father are one" Here Father and Son are committed to the perfect protection and preservation of Jesus' sheep. The sentence, stresses the united purpose and action of both in the security and safety of the flock, and presupposes unity of Nature and Essence (5:17-23, 17:22). Here for the third time John records that the Jews, attempted to stone Jesus(5:18; 8:59). Jesus assertion in verse 30 that He was One with the Father affirmed His claim to deity
---Lisas on 3/10/07


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3. and caused the Jews to seek His execution since in the Old Testament it was permitted to stoning in certain instances. There was no doubt in the minds of those Jews that Jesus was claiming to be God. (5:18). but in no way can the arguement be made that those words would also make us gods, because we are "In Christ". we are not by nature deity, so it connot be connect as an agruement. He was talking about Himself and the Father as One.
---Lisas on 3/10/07


what are we to believe?

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

You must confess the Son and believe his Father raised him from the Dead
---Exzucuh on 3/9/07


What should we believe?



1 Peter 1:17-21 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, But with the precious blood of Christ, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

We must believe in the Father through the Son
---Exzucuh on 3/9/07


---donna6598 on 3/9/07
you say we have to believe the trinity where is your Scriptures and I can understand the trinity with my carnal mind there is nothing Spiritual about it. you see man doctrines are always based on the truth but when you try to prove them with scripture they don,t line up.
If you would believe what Jesus taught you would be free of mans doctrine.
---Exzucuh on 3/9/07


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What should we believe?

Matthew 9:28 and jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.

we are to believe he can heal us

Mark 1:15 And saying, The ,time is repent ye and believe the gospel.

the Gospel is that God sent his Son to Die for our sins and if we believe in the Son of God we will be saved.

Mark 11:24 I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
---Exzucuh on 3/9/07


what should we believe?

John 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

we are to believe the Father is in Jesus not Jesus is the Father and Jesus is in the Father the Father is not Jesus, Jesus said we are to be one as he is one, if I believe your Trinity Doctrine and its three in one theory that means that I am God also because I am one with the Father and now we have a Quadrinity.
---Exzucuh on 3/9/07


what are we to believe?


John 12:38-39 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe, because
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

we are to believe the report of the Lord.
---Exzucuh on 3/9/07


John 11:42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

We are to believe God sent his Son.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

we are to believe also in Jesus the Son of God.
---Exzucuh on 3/9/07


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You can't understand the Trinity with your carnal mind because it is a Spiritual concept. Jesse Duplantis does an excellent job of explaining it because he saw it in heaven. We are called to BELIEVE the word, the understanding of it comes with growing in the Spirit.
The Trinity is what Jesus said it is: "I and the Father are one." "I in them and thou in me." Our minds cannot understand the Trinity, thus, we are called to BELIEVE it.
---donna6598 on 3/9/07


Billy-- Church at Smyrna means,"myrrh"-- The Martyr Church.They were undergoing great persecution. They were rewarded by God because of faithfulness. [Richly] This is one of the churches of God.
---catherine on 3/9/07


Lisas

You might want to do a little research of "Rev 2:9", to find out what synagogue the Christian church worships in before you go poking a finger at the JW. Not that I believe in the JW. Christianity claims to be the Israel of God, and so do the JW. Maybe the two could join togather? God bless
---Billy on 3/9/07


---Lisas on 3/7/07
You are saved because the Son of God Jesus shed his blood for you and paid the debt of Adams Sin you inherited, and Jesus said if you don't believe he is the Son of God you cannot be saved. you will not find one scripture that says what you just said nor one that says you must believe he is God or believe in a trinity. It is not a Godhead doctrine that saves anyone but believing in the Son of God.
---Exzucuh on 3/8/07


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God did not send a trinity to die for you he sent his Only,meaning the only one he has Son and declare that the Angels should worship him,Jesus Said he would build his Church on the revelation that he was the Son of God, meaning those who do not believe that are not the Church and the gates of hell will prevail against them but not those who believe on the Son.
---Exzucuh on 3/8/07


I new johnny 5 is a Jahovah's Witness! Now it makes sense.
---. on 3/8/07


If Jesus is not God then you are not saved. Jesus has to be Lord of your life. There is no other way. J.H. Witnesses and others are on line putting thier believes using different names, changing or imposing there doctrines against the doctrines of the gospel. Those are not the essentials of the Christian faith. They are the essentails of other faiths but not the Christian faith. be careful who you listen to.
---Lisas on 3/7/07


Jesus is God, and if He is not Lord of your life, you are not a believer in the Christian essentials of faith. Jehovah Witnessess have another Jesus, Mormons have another Jesus, Not the same one but one from a different book, different faith.
---Lisas on 3/7/07


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johnny5 I am a believer in Jesus the Son of God I know his Father also by his Spirit that is in me, I do not follow any teachings that are not spoken by Jesus or his Apostles the 12 and the Apostle Paul, leaving out Judas, and I will believe no doctrine that will not line up will the teachings of Christ. Jesus words are the words of eternal life. Everything is found in Christ, through Christ and by Christ.
---Exzucuh on 3/7/07


Exzucuh, I see alot of goodness in you. You appear to have a "good" heart. Therefore I do wish to converse with you more. To actually see our "differences", if any. God bless you and your family!!!!
---Johnny_5 on 3/7/07


Thank you johnny5 I don't get kind words or thanks on CN in fact I could probably count on one hand the times anyone has been nice to me, I have a Son named John he has a Christian Band called Silencing the Stones, they are on the internet.
---Exzucuh on 3/5/07


I am the Lord, that is my name! I will not give my glory to another..." (Isaiah 42:8)

"...How can I let myself be defamed? I will not yield my glory to another." (Isaiah 48:11)

Jesus clearly said he has God's glory. For God to be telling the truth in that he shares His glory with no one Jesus must be God.
---Matthew on 3/5/07


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Matthew

I have tried twice to send you a response. However, it has yet to be appended to the site, even though I sent it at the same time as the post to Duane. I am not sure what*s going on, because there is absolutely nothing mean-spirited or in appropriate in my response. Nonetheless, on Matt. 28:19 the verse that disproves that is Matt. 24:36 and not 24:26 as I incorrectly typed while at work without a Bible. Also, I addressed gods and Adam in my post. I will try to send it a third time on day.
---I_AM_I on 3/5/07


*Augusta, I would like to talk with you some more about the JW you mentioned to me before*

Sure, Johnny. My addy here is augua9846 if you want to email me. Just to let you know, I took formal study under an elder and his wife in their home for about 6 months or so. This is required for their doctrination process. That said, it's been so long ago and my memory is so bad I would probably have to consult their website to jog my memory on much of it.
---augusta on 3/5/07


Exzucuh, The sharing of "Glory" is mentioned in the Bible, "Glorify thy Son, so that the Son can Glorify thee."
---Johnny_5 on 3/5/07


Jesus called them gods to whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken,or found fault with. In psalms==God called them little gods because they had a commission from God. God put some honor upon them. [not to be proud of it, npr puffed up.] You shall die like men.
---catherine on 3/5/07


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Exzucuh, About the post on worshiping Jesus, thanks for your help, you are correct with that verse and statement. I haven't been feeling well this past week or so, and my memory sometimes seems to fail, and "No" it's not because of drugs. I don't do that. Enough of that, Thanks anyway for your help!!!! God bless. A friend you are.
---Johnny_5 on 3/5/07


Psalms 82:6 I have said, You are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Clearly this doesn't say Adam or any man IS God. So no God never said Adam is Himself, God. That doesn't answer my question.
---Matthew on 3/4/07


Colossians 2:8-9
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead, bodily.
---Matthew on 3/4/07


John 20:28
28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

Titus 2:13
13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
---Matthew on 3/4/07


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Zechariah 12:10

And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
---Matthew on 3/4/07


"You don't have to understand my word, you are called to BELIEVE my word." Thus, you are a BELIEVER. Thought that was pretty cool coming from the Holy Spirit.
---donna6598 on 2/28/07
God said to believe his Word because the trinity doctrine is mans word.
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


Why does God refer to Himself as Us in Genesis 1?
---Matthew on 2/28/07
He was speaking to the Lamb that was slain before the foundation of the World.
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


I AM I please show me where God said Adam is God. In Genesis 3:22
---Matthew on 2/28/07

Psalms 82:6 I have said, You are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


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5) If Jesus is not God then when God said he will not share HIs glory with anyone is untrue. We know he is not a liar so.
---Matthew on 3/1/07
God will not share his glory with another god but he will share it with his Son as any Father would as Jesus will share his thone and glory even the rod to rule the nations with those who take on his mind of a servant and lay down their god like mentality they inherited from Adam.
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


3. Yet in manner of activity, there are differing operations assumed by the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
---Lisas on 3/3/07

Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, Spirit of God, God's Spirit, Jesus said my Father is a Spirit, all of these are the Father his Spirit is not bound to a body but functions beyond human comprehension, Jesus refers to the Holy Spirit in a third person description because it is the only human way to explain the Father being in heaven and the earth.
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


Johhny 5 you still didn't answer my question. Why didn't Jesus stop anyone from worshipping Him?
---Matthew on 2/28/07
Hebrews 1:5-6 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, You are my Son, this day have I begotten you? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he brings the firstbegotten into the world, he says, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Cause God said worship him.
---Exzucuh on 3/4/07


Augusta, I would like to talk with you some more about the JW you mentioned to me before, to see if I am wright or wrong. I think it was on another blog, however, I'm just curious to know. God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/4/07


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In regards to monogenes and the mistranslation of "only begotten", we can say that if the correct translation is "unique", John 3:16 would state "For God so loved the world, that he gave his unique Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
---Matthew on 3/3/07


2) With this translation there is no implication of a Heavenly Birth of Jesus or previous creation of Jesus before his physical birth. To say one agrees that "unique" is the correct translation means to disregard this passage and many other that use monogenes for the use of implying a previous creation or birth of Jesus. So it's either one or the other it can't be both translations.
---Matthew on 3/3/07


Duane

There is so much material on this (Christian trinity) that you can research for yourself instead of going by what you have been told! Good luck.
---IAM_I on 3/3/07


3)It doesn't take a scholar though to do some research to decide on what monogenes means. Mono - is of course one, Genes - is easily argued to be "type" or "kind". Think of words that use genes. Like genre(category or type), science genus(also category or type), the genes(you figure that out I can't) in our DNA,genius,general(broad group or type),etc.

So mono- one genes - type, group, or kind.
"One kind" makes most sense hence unique.
---Matthew on 3/3/07


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4) Jesus is the unique son of God and not the Only begotten Son of God. Only begotten has basically been popularized in the English speaking countries while unique is used in most other translations for other languages.
---Matthew on 3/3/07


I see Eloy corrected someone for using polygamy to mean believeing in more than one God. I realize that I have to and would like to correct myself LOL. I meant polytheist where I said polygamist and polytheism where I said polygamy. Thanks =/.
---Matthew on 3/3/07


Matthew, How he is the "only-begotten Son." Correct, great job! For I wrote a post similar a while back saying, Jesus' being called the "only-begotten Son"(John 1:14; 3:16,18; 1John 4:9) does not mean that the other spirit creatures produced were not God's sons, for they are called sons as well.(Gen 6:2,4; Job1:6; 2:1; 38:4-7)However, by virtue of his being the "sole direct" creation of his Father, the firstborn Son was "unique."
---Johnny_5 on 3/3/07


(pt.2 to Matthew) Different from all others of God's sons, all of whom were created or begotten by God through that firstborn Son. So "the Word" was God's "only-begotten Son" in a particular sense, even as Issac was Abraham's "only-begotten son" in a particular sense (his father already having another son but not by his wife Sarah). Heb 11:17; Gen 16:15.
---Johnny_5 on 3/3/07


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*Augusta, Don't worry about it, I make mistakes also, no one is perfect. Let's just bring the "truth" for all to see, God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/2/07 **


Thanks Johnny, and God bless you too.

augusta
---augusta on 3/3/07


2. The term persons does not mean a distinction in essence but a different subsistence in the Godhead. Each person subsists or exists "under" the pure essence of deity. Subsistence is the difference within the scope of being, not a separate being or essence. All persons in the Godhead have all the attributes of deity. All three also have a distinction in the work done by each member of the Trinity. The work of salvation is in one sense common to all three persons of the Trinity.
---Lisas on 3/3/07


3. Yet in manner of activity, there are differing operations assumed by the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father initiates creation and redemption; The Son redeems the creation; and the Holy Spirit regenerates and sanctifies, applying redemption to believers when He brings life to the lost.
---Lisas on 3/3/07


Josef, Where did you come from? If you believe the way you spoke just now, then you're an answer to my prayers. I AM I is also a believer of this also. Just to give you a brief run, check out the posts I wrote to Helen on this blog. "All of them." God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/2/07


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Augusta, Don't worry about it, I make mistakes also, no one is perfect. Let's just bring the "truth" for all to see, God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/2/07


"neither you nor anyone has any idea how many Gods are included in the US."

I know exactly. One. "So God (singular) created man in 'His' image, in the image of God created 'He' him." "And God said". There is but one God who created all things through the eternal power of 'His' Word as the catalyst for the creative power of His Spirit, His Divine essence, as the source & foundation of all creation. We are all 'gods' only in that we are children of The Most High God.
---Josef on 3/2/07


I AM I, I do have to address one last thing. You claim I believe that God is 3 Gods in 1 which isn't true. I believe in 1 God. One God that has revealed Himself as being the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I am not a polygamist. I don't worship the Holy Spirit and Jesus and God as three different people. I worship god alone. I thank Him for His son and I thank Him for the mercy he's shown through His son so that His Spirit may dwell in me.
---Matthew on 3/2/07


2) You can't claim trinity believers are polygamists based on how you think we see God. We see one God who appears and exists in three different ways. That isn't polygamy. It would be polygamy if we saw three different God's with three different personalities. I think the problem is you don't see the trinity as many others see it.
---Matthew on 3/2/07


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Augusta did you know the vatican sits on top of millions of dead mens bones, literally. Would you like an exact count on that. All they acknowledge is a fraudulent claim that peter's bones are there as well.
---jhonny on 2/28/07

That explains why the flowers and plants at the Vatican are so healthy and beautiful. I read somewhere that the phosphorus that comes out of the bones is healthy for plants.
---Caring on 3/2/07


I AM I, Yes, you are correct. I just have to remember alot of times I have to re-read alot of your posts to catch the meaning. And I like that. Keep it up, and God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 3/2/07


Sorry there, Johnny_5. That was suppose to be directed to "jhonny."

augusta
---augusta on 3/2/07


*Fourth, if the US to you is the trinity (3 Gods in 1 God), then Adam must be added to the trinity so that we have 4 Gods in 1 God.*

I can't agree with that because God didn't say now Adam IS God. He said know he is like God. My friend John down the street can tell me. You are like me in a way or even many ways. That doesn't make me John.
WHat about the righteousness that God imputes on His children. If Christians are supposed to be like God in his holiness, by your standards that makes us God.
---Matthew on 3/2/07


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The Trinity is a descriptive word of the Triune God namely Father, Son,Holy Spirit. The Catholic church didnt put this in the Bible. If u read the Bible front to end, it talks about God all the way working in 2 other persons, the Son n H/Spirit. Remember, Trinity is not in the bible but it is a descriptive word of the 3persons in one just as the Egg which r three things in one. Shell,White,Yolk=Egg.
---jana on 3/2/07


When I was living in in London, England, I saw the oldest Texts, and they were most certainly not written from the Catholic Church. The Catholics did not invent the trinity.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/2/07


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