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Are Women Preachers Scriptural?

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These verses say no: 1Corinthians 11:3-10, 13, 15-16, 14:(33) 34-35 (36-38), and 1Timothy 2:11-12 (8-15). Women are to: be modest, 1Timothy 2:9-10, 1Peter 3:1-6, be a help meet to their husbands, Genesis 2:18,20, teach their own children and younger women, 1Timothy 2:15, Titus 2:3-5. Genesis 2 refers to a wife as helper to her husband, not all women to all men. Women are only subordinate to men in the sense that they are to be modest and to the limits described in scripture. However, God says that no woman is to rule over men, Genesis 3:16 (4:7), Deuteronomy 22:5, Numbers 12, Isaiah 3:12.
---Glenn on 10/7/09


catherine: "Ha, ha , ha ,What are you talking about? S."

If you don't know what I'm talking about then you are not of God. The Scriptures are as plain as the tree grows from the ground, as the sun rises in the morning. It's not me you are laughing at, you are laughing at God. He will remember you on this day on the day of judgement. Repent your hardened heart and ask God for His forgiveness.
---Steveng on 1/20/08


Ha, ha , ha ,What are you talking about? S.
---catherine on 1/16/08


catherine: "Man, you have to look at other scriptures. What about Jesus. He said no difference between male, female, Jew or Greek we are all equal, when we love the Lord. How about that."

Scriptures are talking about the inheritance. Read the complete chapter.
---Steveng on 1/15/08


I don't understand how adults such as yourselves can twist verses to your way of thinking in today's context. Scriptures plainly say that man was not made from women, but women from man. And how the women teach the younger women to be Godly. And all the other scriptures about our role as a Christian.
---Steveng on 1/15/08




Roger ... How can a single man be husband of one wife? Or a widower?
If you take the passage literally neither single men nor widowers can be a bishop.
---alan_of_UK on 1/15/08


Don't both preachers and pastors read and teach from the bible? So what would be the difference? Wouldn't they both be taking authority over whomever was listening? Men and Women alike!
---colupy on 1/15/08


"Women preachers are Scriptural. Women pastors are not Scriptural." I agree with this statement by--- Greyrider. There is, a distinction between preacher and pastor,
---Mima on 1/15/08


I was reading the reasons for women not preaching. I remembered reading when Jesus arose for the dead. There was a woman there (not the men) and Jesus told her to go tell the brethren that He (Jesus) had arose from the dead.If I'm not missing anything. The Gospel that we preach is the death, buried, and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Jesus told a woman to tell the men that had hid for fear of being killed them selves. They to did not believe the woman, had a word from Jesus, the raised up Savior.
---linda111 on 1/15/08


I think that 1 Timothy 3:2 says it well! A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach, How can a woman be the husband of one wife?
---Roger on 1/5/08




As the bible contains at least three women prophets that I remember off the top of my head. When you look through prophetic writing, and the work of other prophets, mainly what they did was preach, and what they did was exhort/forth-tell the Word of God. Women certainly can be called to this work. In worship, women are commanded to neighter rule or teach.
---Gilbert on 1/4/08


Women preachers are Scriptural. Women pastors are not Scriptural. Talk to a few pastors, God was doing women a favor when He gave that teaching. Truthfully, we the people, have glorified the office of "pastor" not the Bible. God's word glorifies the office of "Mother" far beyond that of "pastor". Should you value God's opinion or the world's?
---Greyrider on 1/4/08


Just as much as Men. They all better be called by God.
---catherine on 12/13/07


Rev_Herb,
Some things pertaining to custom and the norm of those days.
Paul said, "But I suffer not a woman to teach...". In that
said he was affirming that there were capable women.
Could you tell me if God said:
I Corinthians 7:12
"But to the rest speak I, not the Lord:..."
also:
"...(I speak foolishly,)..."
"...(I speak as a fool)..."
---Nana on 3/26/07


Of course I greet my fellow brethren with a kiss, a hug also, is that not what we all do?
---Carla5754 on 3/25/07


Rebecca, absolutely we all are willing vessels HOWEVER, we all have different functions in the church.it does not say that women can preach, none whatsoever, When God says it is a man's position, the devil gets some to jump up and down and go against God. Some women are totally going against God by doing so and its wrong.
---jana on 3/25/07


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Since, we are suppose obey this passage(about women not suppose to preach) that paul talks about, do we all greet each other w/ a Holy Kiss, every time we see each other??? Why not??(romans 16:16, 1st corinthians 16:20, 2nd corinthians 13:12, 1st thessalonians 5:26)
---mark on 3/25/07


No difference between male and female where chapter verse and bible that says women are to preach? Or are you making it to sound the same for all to preach because of the ref, to all just to make your claim valid. The point he was making was no difference when you Become saved! Jew/Gentile because of the mosaic Law, all have to come through Jesus Christ and be born again as a matter of grace. We are not all equal as some preach(Herasey) here-say lol .
---Carla5754 on 3/24/07


Man, you have to look at other scriptures. What about Jesus. He said no difference between male, female, Jew or Greek we are all equal, when we love the Lord. How about that.
---catherine on 3/22/07

You forget that men and women have different roles, and offices. Is it ok to be a Sodomite, since there are no differences between male and female?
---Rev_Herb on 3/23/07


1 Titus 1:5

Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart and a good conscience and faith unfeigned.

Vs 6
From which some having swerved have turned aside unto Vain jangling;


Vs 7
Desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor where for they affirm.
---Carla5754 on 3/23/07


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Paul talks about his cause that all mankind come to knowledge of Jesus Christ, and Truth, which is he lived and died a martyred life, do you even have the slighted idea where Paul was coming from? how you balsphemed his name is beyond my Christian understanding!. Okay so you believe you can lead Gods Anointed and preach even step into Queen Esters place? What exactly are you trying to propergate?

SELF?
---Carla5754 on 3/23/07


Poor excuses to blame Eve? I dont think so..you go back and remember who has been the flunks thru the Bible. Eve, and so many women after her .. then look at women of today, vying for men's position, look at Women's Liberation, what does that mean? They want equality with men. Does that not ring a bell? No its not a weak excuse mentioning Eve as the first to fall..Joyce Myers preaches some strange doctrine about the 10 commandments of God..etc etc..
---jana on 3/23/07


Man, you have to look at other scriptures. What about Jesus. He said no difference between male, female, Jew or Greek we are all equal, when we love the Lord. How about that.
---catherine on 3/22/07


Well if it was good enough for Queen Esther, its good enough for me. Maybie Pauls favorite kind of woman was the homely floormat,doormat type, so be it for him. But my King of Kings is coming back for a beautiful bride, I am not dressing up for Paul, I'm dressing up for Jesus. And in heaven. In case your not aware of it, Jesus, LOOOOOOVVVVVVVEEEEEESSSSSSSS jewelry, and bright shining happy faces of beautiful woman who CHEER for Him, who Preach for Him, Who laugh with Him, Love Him and Adore Him.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/22/07


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"Why...?"?!

SIN!!!
---Leon on 3/22/07


Why do feminine activists kick against plain scripture? "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." (1 Timothy 2:9-12) Is there any hidden meaning to this?
---theod3582 on 3/21/07


That "God is no repsector of persons" should be put in its right perspective. Why did God make man male and female? God is a God of order. Just as man can't play the role of mother, woman can't also play the role of father. It is simple. Does this God given roles make God a respector of persons.
---theod3582 on 3/21/07


Yes we are all willing vessels but each vessel has a purpose. 2 Cor 12:16-17 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body [were] an eye, where [were] the hearing? If the whole [were] hearing, where [were] the smelling?
---David on 3/20/07


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2 Cor 12:18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. God set the order of things, both in the household and in the body of Christ. Just because women are not to be Pastors or overseers does not mean they have no place in ministry. Women do in fact have specific roles in ministry.
---David on 3/20/07


Jana; so you're saying God is a respecter of persons? Aren't we all willing vessels for Christ so he can use us. In Ro 8:30, 2 Cor 5:20, 2 Tim 1:9, Eph 4:11, in these verses it says all, not just men. You blame this on Eve, a man can sin without the help of a woman. I guess a poor excuse is better than none.
---Rebecca_D on 3/20/07


women to preach? Absolutely not. Why? Eve caused Adam to sin, women entices sin, women are unreliable and last but not the least, The Bible says so. Women are not to preach. Yes, there r prophetesses, but the Bible never said they could preach. It only described the word prophetesses.
---jana on 3/20/07


Re; Pauls pastor was a woman. Right after I sent that in I responded back, and said. No just kidding with you. But for some reason it never got posted.

The part referring to The law made provision for women to make sacrifices, attend feasts, and make vows are found in Dt. 12:11-18, and Lev. 27.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/20/07


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In the Lord the woman is important to the man, and the man is important to the woman.Because woman came from man, but also man is born from a woman. Really everything came from God.
---catherine on 3/19/07


Cynthia 1, 1 Cor 14:35 does not state that women were disturbing the service by talking out to their husbands. The preceding verse states that women are not permitted to speak, but to be under obedience. This probably also includes tongues and prophecy as the same greek word for "speak" is also used in vv. 27, 29. By the way, Eudias and Syntyche are nowhere mentioned as being church leaders in Philippi. They were two women who apparently couldn't get along with each other.
---ralph7477 on 3/19/07


The law made provision for women to make sacrifices, attend feasts, and make vows.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/19/07

Could you give me scripture on the above statement?

I am still waiting for scripture on where Paul had a woman pastor also.
---Rev_Herb on 3/19/07


In the Gospels you can read of a few women messengers who proclaimed good news, Matt. 28:1-10; Luke 24:9-11; John 4:28-30; 20:16-18, and Acts 2:14-21; Joel 2:28-31 God predicted and promised that He Himself would pour out His Spirit upon women and they would prophesy. To prophesy means to speak to men to edification, exhortation, and comfort 1 Cor. 14:3, for the edification of the church. 1 Cor 14:4 Prophesying for church and general public 1 Cor. 12:1-31; 14:1-6, 12, 24-26, 29-33 In Acts 21:8-9
---Cynthia_1 on 3/19/07


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In Acts 21:8-9 it is clear that Philips four daughters were prophetesses, that is they were evangelists like their father. This is in accordance perfectly with Joel 2:28-29 which was fulfilled in the early church Acts 2:16 and with Acts 2:17-18 which, I personally feel these are the last days, In Romans 16 we have record of a number of women servants of the Lord in various churches. Phebe verse1-2, Priscilla and Julia v 6-15, who are mentioned as laborers for the Lord.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/19/07


Mary, Tryphena, Triphosa, Persis, and Julia, are mentioned as laborers in the Lords work, In Phil 4:2 Eudias and Syntyche are mentioned as being LEADERS OF THE CHURCH AT PHILIPPI. Corinthian women prophesied and prayed in church 1 Cor. 11:4-5 so the scripture in 1 Cor. 14:34-35 THAT IS USED TO CONDEMN WOMEN PREACHESRS DOES NOT REFER TO PREACHING, BUT TO DISTURBANCE IN CHURCH SERVICES, asking or talking out to their husbands in church, as stated in 1 Corinthians 14:35.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/19/07


Part 4, 1 Timothy 2:11-15, Paul is not condemning women preachers as long as they keep their place and do not usurp authority over the man. Both men and women at Corinth were permitted to pray and prophesy, but were regulated by ficed laws in doing so 1 Cor. 13:24-32 In 1 Cor.12 Ex. 15:20, Judg. 44, 2 Kings 22:14, 2 Chr 34:22, Neh 6:14, Isa 8:3 LK. 1:39-56 2:36. Dt. 12:11-18, Lev 27.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/19/07


The law made provision for women to make sacrifices, attend feasts, and make vows.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/19/07


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I hear people such as Cynthia use the anecdote of loudmouth women in the early church who didn't know when to keep quiet as being the reason that Paul had to tell women to keep silent. Can anybody tell me where I can read about this activity going on because it isn't in the bible. Or is it a case that Cynthia, et al, are simply repeating something they heard which fits their views?
---ralph7477 on 3/19/07


Deborah lived long before Israel became a kingdom, when "the sons of Israel AGAIN did evil in the sight of the LORD," (Jdg. 4:1); as they did many times (3:12; 10:6; 13:1). Also note: Judges 17:6; 21:5 "In those days... every man did what was right in his own eyes." Prophetesses, yes, but never a woman priest in Israel; God never sanctioned women pastors in His Church either. There have been many FALSE (incl. female) prophets, and we know that by only following the truth in Scripture!
---danie9374 on 3/19/07


Jesus was not about trends and such and He picked only men. Then He knew we would be reading His words even todays times and then if your a pastor/elder or whatever depending on what church you go to and say women should teach over the men in the local church and usurp their athority in this way. Just answer me one question then under the requirments in the new testiment of these offices it asks. You must be the Husband of one wife. Ok now how can a woman be the husband of one wife?
---kirk on 3/19/07


Cynthia_1 said: "But If God can use Balaams donkey to get His points across, I am sure He can use anybody." I guess she missed an earlier post where it was said: 'But God never made that donkey a priest of Israel; nor could it be a pastor.' YES, ANYONE OF US can be a witness for the LORD; even stones may have been made to praise Him if no people did (Luke 19:38-40)! But in Scripture, only men are proscribed to be called as pastors.
---danie9374 on 3/19/07


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Cynthia 1, no one is disputing that women served as Judges in the OT. In the Catholic Church women have been very instrumental in the development of our church. St. Catherine of Sienna and St. Teresa of Avila to name a few. Mother Teresa of Calcutta was tiny in stature but a formidable woman in faith and spirit, her name will be remembered even over many popes are are but a dim memory. She did great things in God's name.
---lorra8574 on 3/18/07


cynthia, deborah did not rule israel,she was a judge though,israel had a king at that time.
---tom2 on 3/18/07


Woman Judges are scriptural, such as the case of Deborah, who ruled Israel for 40 years, which is located in Judges 4:4, though I found more woman in the Bible as Prophiteses, rather than preachers However, in the jewish synagogues of those days, the men would be on one side, and the woman would be on the other side, they were prone to talk out loud, so in this case Paul was telling them to keep silent. But If God can use Balaams donkey to get His points across, I am sure He can use anybody.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/18/07


Catherine ... Not sure what you are saying. Elsewhere you seem to say that only 1 in 100 preachers is saved, but here you say that 1 in 100 preachers is lost.
---alan_of_UK on 3/17/07


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The problem with statistics like Catherine is quoting is that they are unprovable. There is no way you can know for sure which preachers are called of God. But, I'll ask Jesus when I see Him.
---Susie on 3/17/07


** Apostle Paul had a WOMAN for his Pastor.**

Please give book, chapter, and verse that will confirm this, Cynthia.

Bet you can't!
---Jack on 3/17/07


** They are if God calls you.**

And how do you KNOW if anyone is called of God?

Because they have the catherine seal of approval?

That's not much of a recommendation, considering that she has only a 1% chance of being saved herself.
---Jack on 3/17/07


Apostle Paul had a WOMAN for his Pastor.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/17/07

Could you please give me scripture to back up this clam? If that be the case, how come Paul wrote: 1Tim 3:1-13, Titus 1:5-9, Titus 2:3-5, 1Tim 2:11-14, 1Cor 14:34-35?
---Rev_Herb on 3/17/07


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Why would God call a woman to pastor a church and go against his own word? If God said in his word that women are not to preach and then call a woman to preach, that is like saying: the bible says not to commit adultry, but God called me to commit adultry.
---Rev_Herb on 3/17/07


If GOd is for us, who can be against us..amen
---teresa on 3/17/07


Can women speak from the pulpit, Yes. Can they teach others the gospel? Yes. Can they hold the priesthood of God? NO. That is the authority to act in God's name that is given to men only. There are some things that are sacred. As Christ is the head of all of us, men are the head of their families and their wives. To lead in righteousness and faith. To take the lead in meetings. To direct others in the path of righteousness.
---Dave on 3/17/07


Pauls reference to not allowing women to teach men is a personal opinion based on his cultures beliefs. Even in the old testiment there are references to women being placed in a position of authority over men. today women are just as capable of teaching the word of God as any man & in some cases they are better at it because they are more willing to obey God & keep there pride out of the way which makes it easier for God to use them mor effectively
---Rich on 3/17/07


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The Apostle Paul had a female helper, not a pastor. Deaconesses were never ordained to ministry, but they were instrumental in the spread of Christianity.

The idea of ordained women is a very modern myth. But the role of women throughout Christianity has been impressive. In the RCC, there have been a number of women who have been declared Doctors of the Faith, meaning that they contributed to our understanding of the scriptures and our Church.
---lorra8574 on 3/17/07


Please read Genesis 3:12,13,16-19,24; Psalm 1:1; I Corinthians 14:34,35; I Timothy 2:11-14.
---Eloy on 3/17/07


Is it true that the New Testament was written 100 years after the death of Jesus Christ? Would He be very surprised to see how His Christianity/Jewish teaching went after the church got into it, incluiding how the church doesn't allow women to preach? I think He would.
---sue on 3/17/07


.cynthia, Scripture reads that Jesus Christ was Paul's Pastor, whom alone told Paul where to go, and what to do, and what to say, and Christ alone was his Leader.
---Eloy on 3/17/07


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Apostle Paul had a WOMAN for his Pastor.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/17/07


One out of 100 people who are preaching are lost. Is it scriptual for women to preach. Yes, if God calls you.
---catherine on 3/16/07


Good stuff danie9374. God bless!

Please allow me to further add, it's not about what the current egalitarian feminist, politically correct culture demands (claims of rights or entitlement to); but, rather about what God mandates (commissions) in the Bible.
---Leon on 3/12/07


They are if God calls you.
---catherine on 3/12/07


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[7] Further thoughts: Whether ultimately appropriate in all situations or not, because many women are now found in positions of authority over men; in jobs, schools, politics (though curiously, there've been many queens in the past!), the military and police, etc. (which is OK by me if they can truly do the jobs; not just 'PC examples'), some think pastoring should be no exception, so alter Scripture from societal pressure, rather than following Scripture as our guide on how to glorify God in His church!
---danie9374 on 3/12/07


Hasher posted on 1Tm. 2:12: "not to exercise authority of THE man - not men, (plural). 'The' is a definite article making man a very specific man..." But he is reading ONLY the English; not even the Textus Receptus which Tyndale/KJV essentially translated from! In the Greek of the TR, it is simply: "oude auqentein androV" ('nor govern, or exercise authority over, [a] man'). There is NO definite article there!
---danie9374 on 3/12/07


[1] As another blogger wrote below, if the question is whether or not women can 'preach' (as in spread the good news of the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the lost!), that's obviously right. But Scripture says something entirely different about women in relation to teaching men (and being pastors):

1 Timothy 2:11-14 "A woman must learn quietly with all submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man. She must remain quiet. ... [cont.]
---danie9374 on 3/11/07


[2] For Adam was formed first and then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman, because she was fully deceived, fell into transgression."

Unlike my posting under "Papal Or Pagan Calendar" (CN page: 1169844933.htm) where I described how 1 Corinthians 11:3-16 refers to a cultural custom existing in Corinth about head coverings (and how most Biblical churches interpret those verses as well), this passage in Timothy regards general instructions for pastors and church officials!
---danie9374 on 3/11/07


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[3] Believe it or not, 1Tm. 2:11, that women were to actually LEARN (or 'receive instruction') about God's words in Scripture was quite a radical comment at that time! I'm sure that's why some today feel they can 'culturalize' the whole passage. But pastors (and other elders) of a church, must exercise some authority over its members (esp. in regards to what Scripture teaches) and this is not possible according to 1Tm.2:12f. The last phrase in v.12 "remain quiet" (or silent) most likely [cont.]
---danie9374 on 3/11/07


[4] speaks of a 'quiet demeanor' (not that a womean cannot speak in church at all!); that her speaking, praising and singing to God should be congruous (in place with) the proper reverence of all during a worship service for God.
NOTE: Although I can't go into an entire exposition of 1Tm.2:14-15 at this time, I MUST add here that v.15 ("But she will be delivered through childbearing, if she continues in faith and love and holiness with self-control.") is NOT a comment [cont.]
---danie9374 on 3/11/07


[5] on how women are to be 'saved from sin' at all! It's actually a statement intended to lessen the impact of Eve's actions and the comment in v.14 about her being deceived; for those who might possibly think women cannot have the same quality of relationship with God as men do. An exact interpretation of v.15 is very difficult (see the NET Bible's footnote on this verse for various views).
---danie9374 on 3/11/07


[6] Another verse comes to mind:

2 Timothy 2:2 Paul speaking to Timothy, writes:

"The things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also."
---danie9374 on 3/11/07


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Jana; God will call whomever he choses, to preach his word. He is no respect of persons. So you think God made a mistake when he said he would pour out his spirit upon all? I don't think so.
---Rebecca_D on 3/10/07


Agnes: Matt. 28: 16-20 1st applied to the gathered 11 apostles (men) who Jesus told (commissioned) to teach others (men & "women", the nations). As the people were taught, they in turn taught others in their daily lives, i.e., home, workplace, church, etc.

Jesus charged the 11 to take the LEAD . They were "appointed" (ordained) by God . The Great Commission is for men & women IAW God's given order in the Bible.
---Leon on 3/10/07


Blog411: No doubt there are many here who're opposed to what the Apostle Paul had the gall to say in scripture about women usurping authority "OVER" men in the church (1 Tim 2:12-14). Many will continue to scorn Paul's statement as an example of the male dominant, dysfunctional culture of the day.
But, if Paul was wrong wouldn't God have openly rebuked him & perhaps not have included the statement in the Bible?

It's all about God's desired order in the church. Not ours! :)
---Leon on 3/10/07


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