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Christian Apologetics

How many of the bloggers are involved in Christian apologetics? What group do you witness to and what are some apologetic tips you can offer?

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Talk - witnessing to the denominals.
The One God Jesus name Church of The living God is according to Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20. Delivered to the Jewish people First by Apostle Peter,on the day of Pentecost. The Early Church. The remnant of The Early Church still lives today, Thank God.

This made the devil mad, so he used ungodly crusades to kill off The Early Church saints. Then by his deceiving ideas started his own followings, the Man - made trin relig - org's churches beginning with the rcc Rev.17 v's 4 - 6 that came from here 2ndCor.11 v's 14 - 15 including her offspring churches not in correct order, the presby, naz, aog, bapt, method, episco, aog etc trin churches.


---Lawrence on 8/2/10


I like witnessing to Mormons because the people are so nice, but so mislead.
---Martha on 4/5/08


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---gift on 8/20/07


Warwick- I acknowledge that I know little about the Catholic Church. My point is they do not claim to come from the teachings of Rav Sha'ul, but rather from Shim'on Kefa. The argument was that the Messianic Elders in Yerushalayim did not want anything to do with Sha'ul or the non-Jewish believers. Based on Scripture nothing could be farther from the truth. He attempted to show Shim'on and the others as being Jewish excusive thus incurring the wrath of God for not taking the Word to the gentiles.
---Rabbi_Dean on 7/14/07


WArwick is correct. Hebrew Christian Dr Arnold Fruchtenbaum explains that the disciples were sitting near the foot of Mt Hebron, where a stream would from time to time break off a piece (petros) of the mountainous rock (petra). This is a perfect contrast between Simon and the true Rock in whom his faith rests.
---Ktisophilos on 7/14/07




Rabbi Peter is called Petros, never Petra.- Petra= foundation rock , applied to God (OT) & Jesus (NT). Petros = loose rock or stone, conveying unstable, but not Petra-God our rock. Peter had an unstable nature.

The problem lies with RC's who claim their denomination is the original church (untrue) so when Jesus said You are Peter (Petros) & upon this Petra (foundation rock) I will build my church- (Matt 16:18) they believe their denomination is this church. Cont.
---Warwick on 7/13/07


Cont1
However if you read it carefully I believe Jesus was using a little irony, reminding Peter of his unstable nature. There is no way the rock would build His church upon any man, especially a rash & unstable man such as Peter.

In fact Peter himself clearly teaches that it was Jesus upon which the church was built
---Warwick on 7/13/07


Exzucuh, All through the book of Acts we read that the elders in Jerusalem rejoiced when the Lord moved among the gentiles. In Acts 15:9-11 Peter states: "that is, He made no distinction between us and them, but cleansed their heart by trust. So why are you putting God to the test now by placing a yoke on the neck of the talmidim which neither our fathers nor we have had the strength to bear?
---Rabbi_Dean on 7/13/07


Excuses- I'm not up on Catholic beliefs, but I am pretty sure they beleive their roots go back to Shimon Petra (Simon Peter, "...upon this rock I shall build my church.).
---Rabbi_Dean on 7/12/07


As far as the Body of Messiah in Jerusalem goes, obviously you do not know or understand history. The Messianics in Jerusalem read and understood the prophecy of Yeshua concerning the destruction of the temple. Shortly before the seige of Jerusalem in 70 CE (AD)the Believers withdrew knowing that the city would be attacked. 100 years later, in another Jewish revolt against rome, Jerusalem was completely sacked and destroyed. There were no Jewish believers when Jerusalem fell.
---Rabbi_Dean on 7/12/07




Galatians 2:11-12 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them

The church at Jerusalem had very little to do
with Paul or his gentiles.
---exzucuh on 6/22/07


When revelation was given to the church the Church at Jerusalem was not mentioned by Jesus only the Churches that were started by Paul. Why because Jesus knew this Church would be destroyed and its members dispersed, they were not obeying him, He told them to Go into all nations and preach the Gospel and gave peter a vision and sent him to the gentiles but they went back to Jerusalem and stayed there and compromised the Grace of the new covenant by intermingling the law.
---exzucuh on 6/22/07


Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Paul was preaching that the law was fulfilled through Jesus and that those turning back to it were in violation of the new covenant. he was considered an enemy by many Jews in the church. His nonacceptance by them only pushed him more to preach to the gentiles.
---exzucuh on 6/22/07


Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Paul was teaching you had to be Born Again to be a Jew now, that Jews in the flesh are cut off and cursed without Jesus
---exzucuh on 6/22/07


Exzuca, that is a different understanding, but not unique. However, Paul worked very closely with Peter and the two are strongly connected as described by the early Church Fathers. Paul did not start a side religion separate from the Christianity of the Apostles, and Paul was given his commission directly from the risen Christ and was sent to the Apostles. Yes, there was dissention - Paul had previously persecuted them, and there were converts from both Judaism and Paganism which caused friction.
---lorra8574 on 6/21/07


Exzecah P2: Further, when there was friction, Paul resolved issues by going to the Apostles in Jerusalem - have you not read the Book of Acts? He submitted to their authority, even though he was certainly qualified to have an opinion.

Even so, the Church, including Paul, does have Jewish roots. That does not mean that we do everything the same way as they did under the old covenant. We do have a new covenant, but the same God.
---lorra8574 on 6/21/07


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exzucah, P3: Thanks for recognizing that the Catholic Church goes back as far as Paul and was not started in sometime in the fifth century or by Roman emperors.

God Bless.
---lorra8574 on 6/21/07


The catholic church has no Jewish roots it was started by Paul while he was under house arrest in Rome waiting for trial. Paul was in a despute with those of the church at Jerusalem he claimed Jesus sent him to the gentiles to teach them that salvation was of faith not the Law,That our new Covenant was
by the Law of the Spirit working in a person
empowering then by Gods Spirit to live Holy and acceptable before God.
---exzucuh on 6/21/07


Rabbi, I read some of your other posts and wondered if you were a real Rabbi (because of this site, not your words). Pleased to meet you. I have visited some Messianic Jewish sites as well as conventional ones - not as a missionary, but to learn.

The best way to understand the Catholic Church is to learn more about her Jewish roots. Much of what we do stems from that, and understanding Judaism, puts a lot of our practices into perspective.
---lorra8574 on 6/20/07


Lorra8574,
Nope, I'm the real me. First, I'm a 43 year old male, and a Messianic Rabbi as well. I have only been a member for a few weeks, and have just begun to post on ChristiaNet.
---Rabbi_Dean on 6/20/07


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I like to witness to the missionaries of various faiths who come to my door. I invite them all in. And I make sure that everything Catholic is clearly visible so that it makes a great conversation starter.
---lorra8574 on 6/19/07


R.Dean, you certainly sound familiar, like Kathr. She talks the same way you do.
---karen on 6/19/07


1. Very few posts on this site could be classified as apologetic. Apologetics relies on a defensive position. It does not attack but defends a Spiritual/ Biblical belief or view. Many posts would be considered "flaming" on most secular sites. I wonder what the non-believers think when they read some of the posts. God whacked us Jews on the head and said, "Play nice in My sandbox with your new siblings" Next thing we know you are throwing sand at each other and name-calling.
---Rabbi_Dean on 6/19/07


2. True apologetics require a complete knowledge of Scripture, Biblical and ancient Jewish/Christian writings, and history. Apologetics IS NOT shooting from the hip and hoping that something hits. God has in the past used jawbones of asses, but I don't think He is taking applications for volunteers right now.
---Rabbi_Dean on 6/19/07


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I wish every Christian could read "The Apocalypse Code" by Hank Hanegraaff. Using scripture he points out what the Bible really says about end times.
---Paula on 4/21/07


Hey guys, FYI MikeM is also SLC-guy, and he is a Mormon.
---Observer on 4/5/07


Christian 'apologetics' means today in America fundamentalism vs. everything else. The view is you are fundamentalist, or you are considered a cult, occult, secularist/evolutionist or a few other labels. The irony is the meaning has changed several times over the centuries. At one time fundamentalism was considered a 'cult' and before that other protestants, etc. It is, historically a very fluid term.

It sits on the edge of intolerance, cult replacing the old term 'heretic.'
---MikeM on 4/5/07


You must first rely on Holy Spirit to reveal/recall the truth in the Bible, standing on that.

Then I disregard the "fluff" (a great example is the justification for polygamy blog here) and focus on the basics of their errors.

If the foundation is corrupt, then no building will stand on it.

Be prepared for all sorts of name calling, you see lots of examples of that here. No one likes to see their cherished beliefs destroyed, but it is really an act of mercy.
---John_T on 3/17/07


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[Christians must KNOW what they believe by "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2 Timothy 2:15) in order to "...sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear."(1 Peter 3:15)] --theod3582 on 3/14/07

theod3582, Amen. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 3/14/07


Christians must KNOW what they believe by "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2 Timothy 2:15) in order to "...sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear."
(1 Peter 3:15)
---theod3582 on 3/14/07


Jimbo...As a small child, I was adopted by Mormons. When I became an adult I studied all kinds of denominations until I found one that I knew was as close to the truth of the Bible as possible. I accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior and am now serving Him as a minister of the gospel with my husband. I found that Joseph Smith's story had too many fabrications and too much plagarism of the Bible. The Holy Spirit led me to the Jesus of the Bible.
---Susie on 3/6/07


Jimbo..Also, as an adult, I found that the Mormons I grew up with were not living the lives that they were supposed to live. In Vegas, I met many business owners who had only joined the Mormon church to get business connections. I also knew casino executives with Temple Privileges because they were heavy tithers. Yet, they were allowed by the LDS leaders to hold high positions in casinos. Also, I found that many of their doctrines (like baptism for the dead) was not Biblical.
---Susie on 3/6/07


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Observee-- I have notice that. God is helping me. And He will help anyone who will ask Him. God Bless you. P.S. I am learning to depend only on Him.
---catherine on 3/5/07


Observer, if you come against their inconsistencies, they use your name as a weapon. I've watched them use every single name that spoke the truth. Every single one.
In fact, they chased one individual off by using their name, and speaking lies with it.
What a wicked game they play.
---Observee on 3/5/07


Janet, check out the SDA blogs

Martha.the Mormons come, and try to convert us, but they obsfucate, and can not deal with their inconsistencies. Check out the polygamy blog.
---Observer on 3/5/07


Do any other bloggers out here defend the Christian faith?
---Janet on 3/5/07


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Hi Susie,

What made you both become and then leave Mormonism?
---Jimbo on 3/4/07


As an ex-Mormon I usually get involved in the discussion on that subject. The best tip I can give is to stick to the Word of God and don't listen to their false teachings. Their whole purpose of getting onto these blogs is to convert you to their false doctrine.
---Susie on 3/3/07


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