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Is Purgatory a real place or a false tradition?

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Mic, I don't know that about you at all. It was a quote, that "anyone" who doesn't place his faith in Christ will go to hell. That is Scripture.
Mic, I don't know your heart, only God does. I only know what you write. You could be sticking your neck out for the RCC and not really believe in what they teach.
You could be playing games with everyone.
You could be really lost and not know it.
You could be saved and not know it, since you believe in purgatory.
So you see I don't know you are anyone heart. One person, I am almost positive he is not saved but I won't name him.
---MarkV. on 1/3/09

"You had your chance to worship Christ with all your Heart while alive, but rejected His death for Your sins.MarkV:- How do you Know this about me. is it an assumption or Your judgement".You talk but bear false witness against your Neighbour.( God's Commandment). But that is ok.Purgatory is always available to you Not Hell, b/c once there is no Ecsape.
---MIC on 1/2/09

Mic, no one who doesn't believe in Purgatory have doubts. They are very sure there is no such place because they have true faith. That true faith is placed in Christ Jesus and His sacrifice.
Only those who don't have that faith, put their trust in purgatory and wait to see if someone can pay their way in. They are going to be waiting, not in purgatory but hell. Once they are dead, there is no redemption for the dead. You had your chance to worship Christ with all your heart while alive, but rejected His death for your sins.
---MarkV. on 1/1/09

If Purgatory was not real in the minds of those who do not believe but yet protest shows They have a doubt-they are not sure!!!Those who believe take it seriously and channel their thoughts to serve the lord HIS WAY, those who do not believe take refuge in the theory OSAS.A wise man would cover the extengencies of an emergency.
---MIC on 12/29/08

Know that there are many thing that can lead you astray. Knowledge is Grief. If you must understand then you continually question and test yourself. Don't Let Heaven or Hell hold you back from Serving The Christ by Example of actions.

Truly you will all Serve One, but may find True happiness by ONE
---Mac on 12/24/08

Chipper, I have also studied many of the other non-RC Christian groups and my only other choice is atheism. As I said before, I discovered the teachings of the church in a KJV Bible, before I learned of them in my Church - our modern catechises was insanely substandard when I was growing up. I have attended church services with many non-Catholic friends. I am open to the Truth and put my faith fully in God, not man.

I do not ask Mary for guidance on the scriptures. I ask God directly.
---lorra8574 on 4/17/08

I've been reading about the Geneva Bible which was translated in 1599 which was before the KJV. Why don't we use this one?
It was very popular in the UK for quite a number of years.
---Chipper on 7/9/07

Proverbs Chpt 16 v25: There is a way that seemeth right to man, but the end there of are the ways of death.People believe what they believe.If you seek to live a holy life before the lord then you will seek him with your entire heart so that you may escape hell. I have been out of my body and taken to the gates of demon or human can tell me any different..ever! I know what I saw.Turn from sin lest you be lost in a place your mind cannot fathom. In the matchless name of Jesus Christ.
---Queen on 7/6/07

Everyone knows that it is the Bible which is inspired by God.
Nearly everyone knows that the NIV, KJV, Jerusalem, Good News, Street, NEB, Philips, etc. are mere English translations.
None of the translators claimed to be inspired.
Only a few believe that the KJV is inspired ... certainly not the translators of what from the very beginning was called "The Authorised Version" Does thst not tell yuo something?
---alan_of_UK on 7/6/07

Lorra: Of course prayer for the dead predated Christianity, but not in the [real] Bible. It is an ancient pagan belief base on Satan's lie "thou shalt not surely die." The Bible OTOH teaches "the dead know not anything."

The truth is that purgatory was a pagan concept brought into the RCC to raise money by preying on people's fears.
---jerry6593 on 7/6/07

Chipper; the only bible that I read is KJV. I'm not saying it is the best, but it is what I understand.
---Rebecca_D on 7/5/07

RebeccaD::What is true is true.The deletions made by the powers that be during the reformation was done for a reason or why else delete them?The word Protest is synonomus with I will not obey.Does that sound familiar.However The choice is yours the judgement is HIS.
---Emcee on 7/5/07

lorra: you stated christians have been using a larger canon for a thousand years before 1665. quote your source. everything I have studied from history tells me the vatican kept scripture under lock and key and that led to many wars, disputes and arguments over doctrine in Poland, Austria, Germany, Spain, Belgium and many other countries because masses were conducted in Latin and the bible was written in Latin so they couldn't read it, if they were lucky to possess one. quote your source.
---ashley on 7/5/07

You do if you use the NIV.
---Chipper on 7/5/07

I read and use the bible that was inspired by God Almighty. I do not use a book that a group of men used their thoughts on what they thought was or is true, as you read.
---Rebecca_D on 7/5/07

Rebecca D, Christians have been useing a larger canon for more than a thousand years before the Reformaton. On who's authority do you accept the shorter canon of Martin Luther? God never said that the original Christian canon was wrong.
---lorra8574 on 7/4/07

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If someone quotes a passage from the book of Maccabees and state later on that they quoted from the bible....lied. Because maccabees is not part of the true bible. It may be part of an RCC bible, but not from God. there is nothing in the OT or the NT in the KJV bible that says something about Purgatory. God did not create a place where the dead can go to cleanse their sins. It is just wishful thinking.
---Rebecca_D on 7/4/07

Walter, if what you say is true (to the best of your knowledge), then how do you explain the Jews who have been praying for their dead for longer than Christianity has been in existance? You can take Maccabbees out of the Bible, but you cannot deny what it says and that it was written before the big Catholic machine got in the way. Further, Jews continue to pray for their dead in their liturgies every week, so they still hold to this doctrine and they are not Catholic.
---lorra8574 on 7/4/07

Ashley, on several occasions I have posted NT scriptures on this subject. Did the Catholic Church add them? Please tell me which passages the RCC added to the NT books so that I will know what passages to avoid listing. Do that first and then I will present them again - but not for your as you insist on following lies outside of the Bible instead of facts.
---lorra8574 on 7/3/07

queen, Hello Sisiter. I would love to know more about your experience in Hell. If it were possible. Since the beginning of 2006 I have been on a mad search to find out what Hell is really like. And, just as you have testified, it is an absolute LIVING NIGHTMARE!! It shows how serious GOD (YAHUVEH) is about the rotteness of sin and the importance of living a HOLY life! GOD (YAHUVEH) bless you!
---Gordon on 7/3/07

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lorra: show me one scripture in the KJV version of the bible that talks about purgatory. I don't want any verse you throw at me from a false book in the catholic bible, because they were written by scribes of the pope in 1665 to please protestants and catholics alike. It has to be mentioned in a book accepted by all to have meaning, like one of the 66 books of the KJV bible.
---ashley on 7/3/07

As a veteran Catholic (37 plus years), I was active in the church, but I was lost and going to hell. Then I got Born Again and God called me out to serve Him through His son Jesus Christ.
Purgatory is a made up place. Jesus made every provision for us, and it does not include Purgatory. Read the progression of the Bible. Purgatory is a big wrench thrown into the Big Catholic Machine. It goes against God's Word and why Jesus came.
---Walter on 7/3/07

There is no such thing as purgatory, that is a demonic lie. I have seen the gates of hell with my own 2 eyes, I have been taken, by God, out of my body and I know what I saw and I pray that you change your belief system and recieve Jesus Christ as lord and live Holy before him by the power of the Holy Spirit, HELL IS REAL! You choose.
---queen on 7/3/07

Lorra8574 - ("Helen, if the blood is to be literal and not symbolic, then you have a problem. I ask again, where are you going to get this blood?") -- Lorra, you are the one with the problem. The Blood of Jesus is real. Jesus did not shed water on the Cross, He shed His own Blood. Read the whole Book of Hebrews which explains all about the Blood.
---Helen_5378 on 7/3/07

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Helen, you are right the blood of Christ is not water. It is found in the chalice, first given at the Last Supper, fulfilled on Good Friday and consecrated by the priest founded on apostalic authority. Have you found a church that answers your questions or do you stay home on Sunday alone, looking for your version of salvation. Return home, the Lord is waiting. I havebeen praying for you.
---Tony on 7/2/07

Bill, you assume that being chastened in this life removes any need for purgatory. While suffering in this world may well remove the need for some individuals to remain in purgatory, the RCC does allow for this, it does not guarantee that everyone who transgresses a little or repents late will be chastened before his or her death.

The Jews prayed for their dead before Jesus came and continue to do so. So what in the NT proves that this place ceases to have value or to exist?
---lorra8574 on 7/2/07

emcee: you finally said something I agree with. It is true that just because someone says Praise God and is baptised, it in no way guarantees them entrance into God's kingdom. Unless everyone repents of their wickedness and never indulges in it again, they will not enter the kingdom of God. Many believe that once they say praise Jesus, they now have a license to sin because of a false belief they are always forgiven or saved.
---ashley on 7/2/07

Helen, if the blood is to be literal and not symbolic, then you have a problem. I ask again, where are you going to get this blood?
---lorra8574 on 7/2/07

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Helen, Titus 3:5 is a reference to Baptism.
---lorra8574 on 7/2/07

Ashley, I agree, people do like to complicate the simplist of things and argue the daylights out of it. The Bible is not as complicated as some make it, but the unlearned and unstable seek to twist it to their own distruction - Peter wrote on this so it has been happening from the beginning of Christianity, which is why Jesus gave us a Church to teach us and not just a Bible.
---lorra8574 on 7/2/07

Ashley ::It also says in the Bible "that nothing defiled shall enter Heaven" yes we can fall from grace even after Baptism. Therefore "Be perfect as your Heavenly Father is Perfect".
---Emcee on 7/2/07

many love to argue. Jesus said "Except a man be born of the water and of the spirit, he will NOT enter God's kingdom." that says it pretty clear. baptism for the remission of sins is like wiping off a chalk board. Everything you have done wrong to that point is erased through the atonement of Christ. After that, we are commanded to repent and never commit those sins again to receive forgiveness. The gospel is simple, but many complicate the daylights out of it instead of reading what is written.
---ashley on 7/2/07

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Have we clarified what Purgatory means, according to official Roman Catholic belief? A place?? Where if you have not confessed and been forgiven for nonmortal sins when you die . . . you go there to be corrected before going on the Heaven???

Hebrews 12:5-11 shows me that God corrects us NOW, making us so "as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17) He does not procrastinate to a Purgatory.
---Bill_bila5659 on 7/1/07

Lorra8574 - The Blood of Jesus cleanses and takes away sin. The Blood of Jesus is not water.
---Helen_5378 on 6/30/07

Lorra8574 - ("Helen, if baptism does not wash us in the blood of the lamb, then how are you going to get some?") -- Baptism is water. Baptism is not the Blood of Jesus, it is water and symbolic of what has already occurred.
---Helen_5378 on 6/30/07

The dead not know anything and so therefore they will not have anymore rewards and anymore a portion (one's fate) forever in anything that is done under the sun. Ecc 9:5-6. So if a person dies they will not go to purgatory to see where their destined to go, or have anymore rewards because in Ecc just proved it. Our sins were washed by Christ's blood, Rev 1:5. It is figuratively speaking in Eph 5:26, Tit 3:5,
---Rebecca_D on 6/30/07

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Now, all you people for the last time. Read my typeing if you can. Purgatory, Well>>>>> There is no such PLACE.
---catherine on 6/30/07

Helen, if baptism does not wash us in the blood of the lamb, then how are you going to get some?

Acts 22:16 "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
---lorra8574 on 6/30/07

Purgatory is mentioned once in an OT apocryphal book not even recognized as Scripture by the Orthodox Christian canon. To Roman Catholics it is a real place, to others, it is a false tradition. It is not Biblical.
---harold on 6/30/07

Lorra8574 - ("Baptism is also called the washing of regeneration,") -- Titus 3:5 says "not by works of righteousness, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit". The Holy Spirit works exclusively through the finished work of Christ on the Cross, which the next verse shows "whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior"
---Helen_5378 on 6/30/07

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Lorra8574 - The Blood of Jesus cleanses and takes away sin.
---Helen_5378 on 6/29/07

Helen, Jesus made this possible through Baptism, please read your Bible. Baptism is also called the washing of regeneration, because it allows us to be washed clean and reborn into Christ - a form of spiritual resurrection from the death that is sin. And is in reality a participation in the First Resurrection.
---lorra8574 on 6/29/07

Ashley, on the assumption that your are ignorant of history and therefore not a liar, why do you accept a source that is not part of history, has nothing to do with history and is kept hidden from me so that its truthfullness cannot even be verified to properly refute it. I am very knowledgeable in history and you have not presented any facts that pertain to history.

If you feel that you have something to contribute to this discussion, then bring it forward so that all may be edified.
---lorra8574 on 6/29/07

Jesus condemned many of the errors practiced by the first century Jews - this is well recorded in Matthew. But Maccabbees (historically) and constant practice through to the present day show that the Jews have prayed for their dead long before Jesus began His ministry and He never said it was wrong.
---lorra8574 on 6/29/07

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P2 Then we have Matthew 12:32 - if one speaks against the Holy Spirit, they will not be forgiven in this world or the world to come (afterlife), but no one can be forgiven in Hell and no one needs forgiveness in Heaven, so where does Jesus get the crazy idea that one can be forgiven in the next life (except for speaking against the Holy Ghost of course)?

Well, He ought to know, He is God.
---lorra8574 on 6/29/07

1 Corinthians 3:13-17
We build upon the foundation that was laid before, but on Judgement Day (which is typically what "the day" referrs to verse 13) we will be judged on our work, but if it fails, we shall be saved but only by passing through the fire of purgatory - is there anything to suggest that we will pass through Hell first? Note that it goes on to say that if we defile the Temple that is our body, God will destroy it (us).
---lorra8574 on 6/29/07

Christina::Heb10:14Jesus's single sacrifice ensures Perfection for those who are "Sanctified".To reach sanctification needs endeavour.Helen is assuming That Jesus blood washes away sins, There is a difference.same as those who belive that the bread & wine becomes the body & blood of Christ & those who refuse the concept.Peace to you& blessings dear lady.
---Emcee on 6/29/07

Lorra8574 - The Blood of Jesus cleanses and takes away sin.
---Helen_5378 on 6/28/07

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Emcee, just read your comment to Helen. Could she be referring to what is written in Hebrws 10:14 "by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." How do you interpret this? By the way, bless you and hope all's well.
---Christina on 6/28/07

Lorra: calling me names does not change the events of history one iota. The catholic church adopted the false doctrines of man to keep its members. Many wanted freedom from the pope and the vatican. Jesus said: Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Not Me. If you want to blind your eyes to actual history, so be it. It makes no difference to me. you are the one judged for your own decisions. John called the catholic church the great and abominable church in Rev. 17. Not me.
---ashley on 6/28/07

Helen:: Why do you keep posting things that are untrue."I am made Prefect by Jesus's perfection"Are you claiming equality with Jesus?Jesus said "Be perfect as your Heavenly Father is PERFECT".You want to be saved Helen then this is your Ticket.Gods way not your way,of suppositions.
---Emcee on 6/28/07

Helen, is that you who said "nowhere in Scripture will you be able to find where Christians are commanded to be perfectly free from sin"?

How about:
1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
---Geoff on 6/28/07

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Helen, how about:
Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

But I agree with you; "purgatory" is just found NOWHERE in the Bible.
---Geoff on 6/28/07

Ashley, the Latin Vulgate says that you are a liar. And Martin Luther made his own translation of the Bible long before the Council of Trent, so stop violating God's commandments and stand up for the truth like a real Christian.
---lorra8574 on 6/28/07

Helen, do you really not know what the word "remission" means? Look it up and when you do read the passage on baptism again. If John's baptism was for the remission of sins, how much more so would Christ's baptism be? It says many times that baptism cleanses us of our sins, even after we have the new and better baptism.
---lorra8574 on 6/28/07

Lorra8574 - Nowhere in Scripture will you be able to find where Christians are commanded to be perfectly free from sin. The sin problem is one that will endure until we breathe our last breath. And baptism does not, as you claim, clean away sin. Only the Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ which He shed on the Cross blots up and takes away sin. Purgatory is a lie from the pits of Hell and is a heresy that will take millions of souls into Hell never to return. I am made perfect by Jesus' perfection.
---Helen_5378 on 6/28/07

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After the council of Trent in 1645, the pope ordered his scribes to write many books and then put them into the catholic bible, to please both protestants and catholics. He hoped it would keep many from leaving the church for doctrines invented by the reformers. Many here quote from those books which are no more truth than comic books. Many denounce catholics for following lies, but they never condemn themselves for following lies invented by the reformers influenced by Calvin's writing.
---ashley on 6/27/07

Emcee; that is right nothing defiled will enter in to heaven. But a person must be a born again Christian before they go to heaven. Read 1 Thess 1:7-10, it will tell you what will happen to those whom died without Christ. God will take vengeance on them that doesn't know God and be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord. If a person is in Purgatory, how can they cleanse themselves from sin and make it into heaven, when the bible plainly states otherwise? CONT:
---Rebecca_D on 6/27/07

Emcee, CONT: Mt 12:32 Says nothing about purgatory. Read Rev 1:5, Eze 36:25-33, Heb 9:12-14. God will seperate the sinners from the Christians. Da 12:2, Mt 25:46. Jn 5:28-29, Jn 15:2-6, (Read this closely 1 Cor 15:42) (Where does Purgatory fit in?) Heb 2:2-3, 6:8, 12:25, 10:27-31, 1 Pe 4:17-18, 2 Pe 2:3-9. I have giving you a few scriptures what happens to the righteous and the sinners, why do you still believe in purgatory after reading 1 Cor 15:42?
---Rebecca_D on 6/28/07

Helen, nothing impure enters Heaven. The slightest stain of sin would make it impossible to enter there. So as the bible states that there is no more sacrifice for sin once you have accepted Jesus and been baptised, your only choice is to remain perfectly free from all sin or you are damned to Hell. Baptism wipes the slate clean, but the NT frequently warns the baptised believing Christian not to sin and that we will be judged just as our Jewish predecessors were judged.
---lorra8574 on 6/27/07

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2 Peter 3:16-18.
1 Cor 9:27 "But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."

Paul taught that he could lose his salvation, for our example. Jesus made provision for us, many opportunities to free ourselves from sin, but make no mistake - Jesus had a covenent with the Jews and they did not live up to it. He has a better covenent with us, but we still have our part, just as the Jews did.
---lorra8574 on 6/27/07

Helen:: Being Apostate Like Frm Catholic it is easy to deny.I offered Biblical Proof,your denial necessitates that you have to furnish some proof,I did.You are presuming as always & leading People astray.Your mothers prayers will yet be answered,but you will pay the price.Guess where-P!!
---Emcee on 6/27/07

Johannes::You are correct in your assumption the adgenda was, That verse 2 Machabees,12 :45,would have shot the ship of Protestation right out of the waters.The church was accused of taking money for indulgences on the behalf of the dearly departed in those days under false Pretences.People had no learning who would question?This would have been an unexplainable verse in the scriptures .Result -action- Drop Machebese from KJV QED.This the Return ofthe Masked Marauder of truth.
---Emcee on 6/27/07

Jesus was neither a Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Pentacostal, Seventh Day, JW, Presbyterian, Methodist, Nazarene, Church of God, Buddahist, Reformed, Church of England, Quaker, Amish, Mennonite, Muslem or any other name you can come up with.

You either believe in the death, burial, and resurection of Jesus or you don't!

The choice is yours, but when it comes right down to the wire, you have no choice.
Believe and be saved ... or don't believe, and be lost.
---Chipper on 6/27/07

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Emcee - God is not going to put you or anybody else into Purgatory because it does not exist and He is not about to make it. You are going either to Hell or Heaven when you die.
---Helen_5378 on 6/27/07

Johannes, if the book that contains 2nd Maccabees had to "go" as you say because "it did not go along with the reformers agenda" how did you get it?
You might as well read "Batman Returns" comic book for your spiritual life as what you are reading.
You have either been tricked or you are trying to trick others.
---Elder on 6/27/07

In 2nd Maccabees 12:46 it is said that "it is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from there sins"- a reference to purgatory. such a book had to go as it did not go along with the reformers adgenda.
---Johannes on 6/26/07

Might get some Catholics angry, but I must confess the truth, in Jesus. Purgatory never existed, and never will. God loves us more than some false Catholic doctrine. We could never earn our way in. Jesus payed the price for us, once and for all time.
---former_Catholic on 6/26/07

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Who Am I to discourage you in your belief Or Disbelief Helen Mary,j&Rebecca.But the word of God says nothing defiled enters!!!so where will you go after that judgement.No heaven No Hell No Purgatory----suspended animation?You are dealing with your immortal soul. 2 Machebese12:45 Purgatory is a temporary state Mat12:32.Is Gods work so incomplete with a love like HIS?
---Emcee on 6/26/07

I agree that purgatory is a lie. God will not put you in a place after death so you could cleanse your sins. That is why he sent his only begotten Son, Jesus. If we could cleanse ourselves from sin, then what was the point in Jesus dying on the cross for all mankind? Not once did Jesus say, if I can't cleanse your sins, you can in purgatory. It is against God's word.
---Rebecca_D on 6/26/07

There is no such place as purgatory. The bible said it is appointed unto men once to die and then the judgment. There is no in-between place to deal with your sins after death. Jesus paid the price and if we accept Him and follow Him we are saved.
---maryj9396 on 6/26/07

Purgatory does not exist. God did not make such a place nor is He ever going to. God's plan of salvation for mankind is Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Purgatory is a RCC lie from the pits of Hell. It denies the Cross of Christ and Jesus' sacrificial death there for sin. The Blood of Jesus is the only thing that removes sin. God made Heaven and Hell, and the Cross of Christ is the only thing standing between man and Hell.
---Helen_5378 on 6/26/07

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Cathrine ::Search no more it will find You.perhaps then you will believe yet TOOO late.Just remember"Nothing unclean enters Heaven"Rev 21:27.
---Emcee on 6/25/07

You know I have looked everywhere for the word Purgatory. I have come to an conclusion. There is no such place. Since I cannot find the word.
---catherine on 6/25/07

Paul, you are way off on the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory. If you live a life of sin you and do not repent of your sins, you will go to HELL regardless of any prayers made on your behalf - that is according to sound Catholic teaching. Purgatory is not for the damned, and does not offer a second chance at heaven. The RCC teaches that only the saved pass through Purgatory, some very briefly, some for a longer stay - kind of like Heaven's door mat.
---lorra8574 on 6/24/07

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