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Is there a difference between a Catholic worldview and a Christian worldview?

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Yes, I did read the testimony of Bernarda Fernandez. I would recommend this testimony, to anyone who believes visitations happen today.
---Mima on 12/4/07


You must listen to the testimony of Bernarda Fernandez, I found it on the internet last night. She came from a Catholic backround. I personaly will never be the same after hearing her testimony. Your answer to your questions is found through her testimony.
---Cynthia_1 on 12/4/07


Eloy "there are ones I have named to their Creator for kidnapping, extortion, bearing false-witness, etc. These will give an account at the tribunal of God's throne, and must be thrown into the everlasting abyss"
Do you mean you have reported these individuals to God?
---alan_of_UK on 4/18/07


Eloy.
Can you speak for the Christians in Vietnam? I have travelled up and down and know the place well. It has got a Christian population of over 5 million. I haven't been to the Phillipines but it has a very big Christian population. They are amazing people also. And the same can be said for millions of Christians around the world in the third and developing worlds. Their sins are different, in comparison, to the sins of the West.
Again how can you speak for rest of world where you haven't been?
---Ed on 4/18/07


.ed, I do and will compare Christianity in the west with Christianity in other lands. And there is no "maybe" about what I say, for what I say is right and true.
---Eloy on 4/17/07




Eloy.
Life could end without warning anytime (dear Lord protect us).
Terrible sins have been committed throughout history.
Don't compare Christianity in the West to Christianity in other parts.
As well as living in fear of God, we must also live in hope of God, as well.
Maybe you are right. Maybe you are wrong. But God isn't playing a game. He wants us to live as Christians every day of our lives - whether the world is evil or not, whether the world is about to end or not.
God Bless
---Ed on 4/17/07


.ed, some places may seem more wicked and violent then others, but all sin is condemned and will be thrown into the hell fire to be tormented for all eternity. To just name a few serious charges against this country and against certain souls in positions of authority, there are ones I have named to their Creator for kidnapping, extortion, bearing false-witness, etc. These will give an account at the tribunal of God's throne, and must be thrown into the everlasting abyss, for they have never repented.
---Eloy on 4/16/07


Lorra:: I believe the biggest misnomer amongst most of them is they cannot understand Incarnation Jesus as a GOD & his way of humility & love as a MAN,the differentiation is too difficult to comprehend.They believe That Jesus overcame all worldly trials because He was a God & not man.MHO
---Emcee on 4/16/07


Catholics believe that the actual body and blood, soul and divinity is in the sacrament of the Eucharist. They believe this stuff, and the Catholic Church holds them at bay.
---Greg on 4/16/07


Caring, The more I read on this site and the more it appears that others have humbled Jesus greatly, and therefore perceive us as having an elevated view of Mary. If saying that the Pope is a great man is elevating him above Jesus, as was posted elsewhere, then their view of Jesus must be that of a mere man or some type of equivalent. If that is the case, then any mention of Mary being more than just a simple girl would seem to be a blasphemous elevation to them, even though it is a small thing to us.
---lorra8574 on 4/15/07




Also Eloy,

"Sin and violence is not absent in those lands and governments" - as has been the case in all places throughout history

"but is very much alive there also" - do you mean to imply the same as where you live? If so please define how ?

People throughout history have thought the end of world is nigh. The world could end tomorrow or in a million years. We must always live, surely, as if today is our last anyway ?
---Ed on 4/15/07


Also Eloy,

"Sin and violence is not absent in those lands and governments" - as has been the case in all places throughout history

"but is very much alive there also" - do you mean to imply the same as where you live? If so please define how ?

People throughout history have thought the end of world is nigh. The world could end tomorrow or in a million years. We must always live, surely, as if today is our last anyway ?
---Ed on 4/15/07


Eloy
But have you been? On what do you base your evidence except for private conjecture?
I was in Vietnam, recently, and met and worshipped with some Vietnamese Christians. I was overwhelmed by their sense of faith. As well as their friendliness, good humour and grace.
---Ed on 4/15/07


.ed, Sin and violence is not absent in those lands and governments, but is very much alive there also.
---Eloy on 4/15/07


Kevin said: "Ed, Catholics lift Mary up as a God and they don't even realize this."

It's the other way round, Kevin. You think we do and it's because you're unfamiliar with our Mass and prayers. This has been explained on CN hundreds of times but your broken record is stuck for good.

Please change the record.
---Caring on 4/14/07


Tod, we do not resacrifice Jesus, we offer up the sacrifice that Jesus made for us. Further this is NOT a sin offering, that was done by Jesus once and for all as Our High Priest, but we do make a Thank Offering which is what Eucharist is. The presbyter offers up an unbloody sacrifice of bread and wine, and yes it really does start that way. Christ causes the Transubstantiation that allows us to recall His sacrifice and join with Him in Communion, in keeping with His instructions at the Last Supper.
---lorra8574 on 4/14/07


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Eloy.
Maybe it is like that where you are from. But have you been to Africa, Asia or South America - other parts of the world where Christianity is truly alive and kicking.
---Ed on 4/14/07


Eloy - Cheer up.
---Ed on 4/14/07


Eloy, you are on to something. Remember that the new Temple is not a stone structure to be constructed in Jerusalem, but the living body of Christ that is formed by all Christians with Christ at the head (and as the chief cornerstone). The Anti-Christ will walk into THIS temple, not some Jewish construct that may or may not ever be built.
---lorra8574 on 4/13/07


Malachi 1:11, speaks of a pure offering that will be made by Gentiles (that's us people) from the rising of the sun to the setting of the same, that would be daily around the world. The pure offering is Christ, He gave Himself to us at the last supper with the instructions on how to make this pure offering.

The question is where your altar?
---lorra8574 on 4/13/07


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Lorra, an Altar is for sacrifice. Have you ever heard of the Catholic sacrifice of the Mass? They sacrifice Jesus every time they have a Mass. You should know that. Even I remember that, and I haven't been a Catholic for over 20 years.
---tod on 4/13/07


.ed, 1 big sign is the apostasy inside the church (II Tim.3:5; 4:3,4; II Pet.2:14-22), most churches are using unholy bibles and preaching lies, which was a rarety that hardly ever happened inside the Christian church before, but today is very common place. Nope, not a million years, not at all, but it will be much much much sooner than that. Evil is already very rampant in the land, so it will not be very much longer.
---Eloy on 4/13/07


Joe T said: "Did you know the Catholic Church has an Altar. What for? Altars were out with Jesus. They are useless now. Jesus was the final sacrafice."

Yes, and that final sacrifice is re-presented on the altar every day. We are at the foot of the Cross with Him. God lives in eternity. It is now to Him. We are there.
---Catherine12345 on 4/13/07


Tod, the Table of the Lord is an altar, and Paul used one as a Christian and warned against Christians from eating from pagan altars. An altar does not have to be an official looking stone structure, it can be an ordinary table. The altar in my church is a nice altar with a table cloth, and if it were a little lower, it would also make a nice dining table, which is probably what the early Christians also used. Hebrews 13:10. Mal 1:7-12; 1 Cor 10:21.
---lorra8574 on 4/13/07


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Joe T, are you following your own discoveries of scripture, or did someone point these things out to use through the careful manipulation of scripture.

I found the Catholic Church through the Bible, because Sunday school was useless and a waste of time. I would not know the teachings of my Church were it not for the scriptures revealing them to me. Later I confirmed that the church actually taught what these things that I found first in the scriptures.
---lorra8574 on 4/13/07


People come in here and they quote scripture that is not in God's Word, but out of a church doctrine and they appear to be so intelligent, but in fact they are quite spiritually stupid.
---Rob on 4/13/07


Nana, you are confused. When Jesus walked the earth, it was custom to have altars. Now that Jesus was sacrificed at the cross, there is no need for an altar. For what possible reason? He was the final sacrifice. If you were truly born again, you would know this.
---tod on 4/13/07


B)***But Benedict, whose remarks were published on Wednesday in Germany in the book "Schoepfung und Evolution" (Creation and Evolution), praised scientific progress and did not endorse creationist or "intelligent design" views about life's origins.
---JIM on 4/13/07


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C)****In the book, Benedict defended what is known as "theistic evolution," the view held by Roman Catholic, Orthodox and mainline Protestant churches that God created life through evolution and religion and science need not clash over this.
---JIM on 4/13/07


D)*****Do Catholics only believe parts of the Bible??
---JIM on 4/13/07


A)***Will a Catholic explain this to me***
Wed.4/11..PARIS (Reuters) - Pope Benedict, elaborating his views on evolution for the first time as Pontiff, says science has narrowed the way life's origins are understood and Christians should take a broader approach to the question.
---JIM on 4/13/07


"""Did you know the Catholic Church has an Altar. What for?
---Joe_T on 4/11/07"""

Matthew 5:23: Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Matthew 5:24: Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
???
---Nana on 4/12/07


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Eloy
I really think it is our responsibility to live each day as it comes.
Our lives could end today (God forbid, and pray God we are warned) or the world could end in a million years time.
Each generation thinks their generation is the most terrible: The Holocaust, Communism, World War 1, Slavery, Satanic Mills .. and that's all within 150 years ..
Live each day as if it were your last - and be happy!
---Ed on 4/12/07


The Christian's view of the world, I see the world degenerating and becoming evermore apostate and ungodly as we come closer to approaching the end of God's predestined plan for this world. The moral state of this world becomes so unbearably horrible and damaging to the innocent that God will return much much sooner then he first planned on (Matthew 24:22), else no flesh would be saved. Concerning this world, Please Read- II Peter 3:7-14; I John 2:15-17; I John 5:19; Revelation 6;8;9;16;18:4;20:7-15;21:1
---Eloy on 4/11/07


1) I agree, most catholics don't have the mind of Christ. How could they, God's Spirit would be grieved to have all that idolatry in His presence and being mingeled with the Gospel. Did you know the Catholic Church has an Altar. What for? Altars were out with Jesus. They are useless now. Jesus was the final sacrafice. Catholics don't get it, they follow whatever their church tells them. If Catholics are spiritualy ignorant, I must say that I was too. I left the Catholic Church for good over 20 years ago.
---Joe_T on 4/11/07


2) If I seem a little frustrated, it's because I know now, but they don't. Believe it or not I pray for them, not to leave their Church, I believe God will show them what to do.
---Joe_T on 4/11/07


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X-Catholic, speak for yourself. I discovered my Church through the scriptures. And if my Church tried to pawn something off on me that did not ring true, I would have dumped it faster than a demon fresh from Hell.

I would never follow the teachings of men like Martin Luther, or John Calvin, or John Wesley, or any one else who tried to remake scripture into their own image.
---lorra8574 on 4/11/07


X-Catholic: Jesus died for our sins and we are justified by our Faith in Him and the Bible is authoritative and binding.

2 Peter 2:20-22 pretty much abolishes the OSAS manmade doctrine.

1 Cor 11:2; 2 Thes 2:15; 2 Thes 3:6 pretty much does away with Sola Scriptura.

James 2:24; 1 John 2:3 pretty much does away with Sola Fide.

Yet, so many people follow these doctrines as if they were the whole truth.
---lorra8574 on 4/11/07


Ruben, that's just my point. The Catholic church mixes Christianity with Paganism. They are woven very tight and it's difficult for most Catholic to see what is really going on in the spiritual realm. When you are born again, and have God's spirit, you see the snake that wraps around the Catholic church. If you think that God approves of these Pagan practices, then your view is corrupted, and you have no real say in spiritual matters. You will know, and you will look back on all the signs and warnings.
---X_Catholic on 4/11/07


X-Catholic- Most Catholics do not have the mind of Christ. They believe anything their church tells them. So a Catholic view is not God's view,


And just think we thought God left men the authorithy to preach and baptize in the name of the Father,Son and Holy Spirit, he also said " he who listen to you listens to me, he who rejects you rejects me." Paul said the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth." 1 Tim 3:15
---Ruben on 4/11/07


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Yes, there most definately is a difference between a Catholic worldwide view and a Christians. A Christian will live for God. A Catholic is too busy running around like a donkey (to put it nicely) trying to obey the rules of men and they don't get far or nowhere at all. Most Catholics do not have the mind of Christ. They believe anything their church tells them. So a Catholic view is not God's view, but ask them and they are convinced that they are the one true religion. Their church is their god.
---X_Catholic on 4/11/07


A Christian worldview evangelize the world with the good news of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ; baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Preach the Word, lifting Jesus Christ as Lord and God. Good works follow after salvation and have accepted Him in our life. Follow and obey the doctrine of Jesus Christ.
---agnea on 3/27/07


The Closing words of the prayers after Mass Is "The mass is ended Go in the peace of Christ to love & serve the lord" & the congregatrion responds "Thanks be to God".we evangalise by example,hearing the word in the readings & explained Homily, this as Catholics is what we are exhorted to do.Jesus Taught by word & example.
---Emcee on 3/26/07


Christina:: Maybe I am the marked Black sheep,but you know my name shaw.ca should find me.without a doubt I replied to you but dont know what happened.Theres a worm in the wood work.EEEEEEEE I suspect
---Emcee on 3/26/07


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It is true that not all parishes encourage their parishioners to evangelize; however this is not true of all Catholic Parishes. The parishes I have been in had missionary programs in place in the local community, and saw examples of entire families going to bring the Word of God by example and teachings. The missionary spirit is alive and well within the Catholic Church, but not every one is called to it, and we don't spend our time evangelizing to other Christians.
---lorra8574 on 3/26/07


*It's unfortunate that the RCC leaders (pastors/priests) don't train their congregation to go out into the world and spread the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and how to get there.*

The growth of the Church reflects our work. Not to mention we have so many Protestant pastors coming into the Church we have special ministries just for them. Our converts from Judaism work diligently to bring more Jews in. Our converts are coming in from every direction.
---augusta on 3/26/07


*It's unfortunate that the RCC leaders (pastors/priests) don't train their congregation to go out into the world and spread the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and how to get there.*

The growth of the Church reflects our work. Not to mention we have so many Protestant pastors coming into the Church we have special ministries just for them. Our converts from Judaism work diligently to bring more Jews in. Our converts are coming in from every direction.
---augusta on 3/26/07


Emcee; "you will grow strong & shoot up like the Bamboo tree GBY Always"

TY Emcee, bless you too. Tried to email you thru CNN, but your profile info disappeared...
---Christina on 3/26/07


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Friends, u may think that Catholics dont go evangelising, well I think your wrong. First I want to ask all, How do you define the word Evangelise? I am not going to judge the Catholics on how they believe. I believe that Christ wants us to work together and do all that He has asked us to do. Preach everywhere, visit the poor, prisoners,sick etc and all these things the Catholics also do..Many on this site I am pretty sure dont do these things.
---jana on 3/26/07


Ed: I meant defensive.
---Steveng on 3/25/07


agnea: "A Christian worldview is to spread the good news..." It's unfortunate that the RCC leaders (pastors/priests) don't train their congregation to go out into the world and spread the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and how to get there. They go to church weekly and are only hearers of the word. Come to thnk of it, most Christians churches are the same way, eh?
---Steveng on 3/25/07


Steven.
I apologize to you or and anyone else on these blogs for causing offence, sounding arrogant and know-it-all. No offence intended. I sometimes get distressed that on a Christian blog there are Christians who criticize Catholic doctrine without actually refering in point to it. As opposed to backing up their point by refering to the catholic doctrine soure. But you're right, there is no need for me to be dogmatic about it.
Take care and God Bless.
---Ed on 3/25/07


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A Christian worldview is to spread the good news of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ. Lift Jesus Christ and not the group or religion. Tell the world about the Word of God as we await for the second coming of Jesus Christ.
---agnea on 3/25/07


Ed: Dont be so offensive. The people are just trying to reason with you to open your eyes to the truth. Sure, you may know everything but still there are new people that haven't known the truth. One of these days, whether here on Earth or on Judgement day, you will know the truth. I just hope and pray that you'll see the truth before the first resurrection. Blessed are the people who rise at the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 3/24/07


Steveng, many religions and the OT use the term king of kings, but that doesn't mean we cannot use this to refer to the real King of Kings 1 Ti 6:15; Rev 17:14; and 19:16.

And Ecumenism in the RCC is dialogue between the different Christian groups to bring unity within the Mystical Body of Christ - this is what Jesus prayed for, and what the RCC is trying to accomplish.

The media has its own agenda and it frequently opposed to the goals of the RCC.
---lorra8574 on 3/24/07


Steveng, p2, this is not to say that the RCC never talks to other non-Christians, in charity. But, our mandate from Christ was to spread the faith throughout the world. How did you get to be so narrow?

There is NO WAY that the RCC would allow itself to be corrupted by Muslims or Hindus or Buddhists - ironically it was Buddhists monks who orchestrated one of the most savage pursecutions of Catholics in modern history, but Jesus never said that missionary work would be easy or without risks.
---lorra8574 on 3/24/07


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Steveng P3 to give you an example of how steadfast we are - before 1930, all Christians believed, according to the scriptures, that artificial birth control was sinful.

Now that birth control is improved, only some forbid it, including the RCC who endured much media and public pressure and ridicule.

Even though we know that adultery and fornication lead to Hell, we Catholics are still blamed for the AIDS crisis because we prefer to teach self control rather than condoms.
---lorra8574 on 3/24/07


**Mary cannot help anybody.**

We Orthodox know better.
---Jack on 3/24/07


Ed, Catholics lift Mary up as a God and they don't even realize this. Read my post in the "Statutes of the virgin Mary" blog on 3/24/07. If you are still not convinced, I have solid proof that even a nonbeliever has to acknowledge. I'll be glad to come back here and help you realize this truth that I'm presenting to you. I only want to help people on these blogs and I hold no disdain for you.
---Kevin on 3/24/07


xcatholic, you are right on. God holds our soul. The views are the same in some aspects, but very different in others. The two views are really then, very different. Paul warned about mixing idolatry with Christianity.
---Mary_Terese on 3/24/07


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Steven.
With respect don't understand your point.
Some Christians might have great, strong faith and never waver in it. But when it comes to forgiving others they are weak. In fact they might think it a sign of weakness to forgive. Who is weak, and who is strong, can only be judged by God, alone. Not man.
---Ed on 3/24/07


X Catholic.
Whether you be ex-Catholic or not please stop telling us what we already know. We know that only God can save. We know that Mary isn't God. Stop making an argument where no argument exists.
---Ed on 3/24/07


Ed: "Be very careful about calling other people weak." The Bible describes weak people. I'm just paraphrasing what the Bible says. For instance, the strong meat-eating Christians should not put down weak vegetable-eating Christians. Once they realize their weakness, then they shall be strong. Right?
---Steveng on 3/23/07


You say that in some undeveloped Country's Catholics are willing to die for Mary? Please! Buddhist monks do that for their beliefs. This does'nt mean it's for the right reason. Mary cannot help anybody. She's gone. Pray to God, who holds your life and your soul in his hands.
---X_Catholic on 3/23/07


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Steven.
"In undeveloped countries the Catholics adore, worship, pray, and even be willing to die for Mary"
And we, including Chrisitans, in the developed world adore and worship money (let's be honest). How much of our day is dedicated to career, competing with the Joneses, and so on. Let's be honest.
If you want to compare rich to poor Christians, my experience is that people in poor countries are often less selfish and more helpful to each other than we in the west are.
---Ed on 3/23/07


Steven.
Be very careful about calling other people weak.
Even St Peter showed great weakness in denying our Lord. As did the disciples who fell asleep in the garden. And the disciples who argued amongst themselves "who was the greatest?". Thomas doubted that Jesus was Who He said he was. Even our Lord said "my Lord, my Lord, why hast thou forsaken me."
As human beings we are all burneded with doubt, every day of our lives. Doubt and testing by God lead to greater faith.
---Ed on 3/23/07


Steven.
Lastly. You wouldn't say what you just said if someone had just lost their husband or wife. At that moment they might be wondering is God really out there? How could He let this happen to me? During these times, they may turn to Job, or they may turn to thinking about Mary. That God isn't some distant, nebulous figure. But that Jesus is flesh and blood like them. Mary reminds them of this. As well as the feminine, compassionate side of God. That things will get better. And they focus on God.
---Ed on 3/23/07


lorra: First, I don't smoke, drink, or take drugs (not even prescription or over the counter).

"What lying devil told you that the RCC was willing to compromise her doctrines." The two lying devils are the media and the RCC itself. RCC uses the term 'ecumenism.' The common thread running through all religions is Mary, Queen of the Heavens, etc. All religions have a Mary figure including Islam, Wicca, Buddist, etc. That's how religious unity will happen.
---Steveng on 3/22/07


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Ed: "...prayer to Mary and the saints. As long as it is a very small part of prayer life." You must live in a developed country. In undeveloped countries (and even many Catholics in the US), the Catholics adore, worship, pray, and even be willing to die for Mary. Why doesn't the church condone it? Why do churches and home alters have statues of Mary surrounded by candles? Why do they many times have statues of ONLY Mary?
---Steveng on 3/22/07


Ed: "...at times we have doubts about our faith. Sometimes God seems nebulous, distant, and not interested in human beings..." I understand the nature of humans, but this is no excuse to use worldly things and dead people to remind us of God. The people who use these things are weak Christians. Their faith is a very, very small fraction of a mustard seed. The only way to develop faith is having a strong personal relationship with God and that's through studying the Bible. Have doubts? Read Job.
---Steveng on 3/22/07


This man (Good Sam) had to be led by the spirit of God because Jesus made a point of mentioning it. Jesus had God's Spirit.
---Gail on 3/21/07


I have learned something in my time as a Christian. God can work through anyone he wants, even an evil man to help someone, for His purpose. If we remember that one thing, we have just begun to learn a little about humility. Not that I'm that humble. The Lord still has a way to go, there. God get's the glory, no matter what. I know that goes against the grain of our flesh, but it's true. Jesus said that without Him we can do nothing, and I'm learning everyday this truth, more and more.
---Nate on 3/21/07


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Christina, sadly you are right. In North America, there was a movement to soften the teachings of the Church to make her more popular and therefore more ecumenical. I never went to an RC school, but I did attend Catholic Sunday School for 11 years growing up and I found it to be useless and watered down. It was fortunate that I had parents of strong faith otherwise, I would have abandoned Christianity a long time ago.
---lorra8574 on 3/21/07


Helen ... "We have works because we are saved, but not to get saved"
That's right, and what I was trying to say.
If one is saved one would want to do good works.
So if someone claims to be saved, yet does not do works, I would doubt the genuineness of their "salvation"
---alan_of_UK on 3/21/07


Ed & Caring::Like I said the temperament of man is to take the EASY road.what effort is there in Believing--ZILCH.Even school children know that E= effort.St Paul says Faith without Good works is dead.That is why OSAS thrives like wild Grass but dry burns like wild fire.He who endures to the end will be saved.
---Emcee on 3/21/07


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