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Persecution Of Jesus

Why did the persecution of Jesus need to be so harsh?

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 ---becky on 3/19/07
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.jody, Paul was not forgiven until after he stopped persecuting the church (thereby Christ), and not until he became a Christian: for if Paul would have never repented and continued in his sin, then truly he never would have been forgiven, but himself would have been condemned to hell by the very Jesus whom he persecuted.
---Eloy on 4/30/08


Simple, Isa.53rd chapter

But dont miss Acts 4:27,28

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Love is Agape
---joe on 4/29/08


Just as Paul had persecuted Christians (thereby Christ)and was forgiven,called and saved, I believe that Jesus' prayer covered those people and the ones who later heard or understood the truth and accepted Jesus were forgiven and saved. He did not need to pray for God to allow anything bc it was all going to happen. His heart was love to the end. I think that is the point of the prayer. Some believed when the earthquake hit and others heard the word through the apostles. Others never believed.
---jody on 4/29/08


Eloy>>> yes very interesting. When I came across that in studying some months back my mouth felled open. And it made sense to me. The more I read it, a little revelation here and there doesn't hurt, the more sense it made to me. Have a good day+
---catherine on 4/29/08


Catherine, very interesting. Sinners then, like sinners today, always trying to abuse God's grace and get something for nothing. They do not want to repent from their sin, but instead they want to keep their sin and "delusionally profess that God still loves me and forgives eventhough I have chosen sin rather than righteousness." But the truth is, God says: "Be holy, Be perfect, Do good", and when they refuse they are saying, "No". Therefore they chose perdition.
---Eloy on 4/29/08




IF i said HE Forgave them "ALL" I miss spoke,
However that Still does'nt change the Fact that their was "SOME" of them he Did forgive!
And Only God knows how Many HE Forgave after that.

Thats, the Point I was trying to make.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/29/08


"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do"?>>>This prayer has bothered some as it seems to be a blanket pardon for all involved in Jesus' crucifixion. Of course, we know this is not the case. Forgiveness can only come through faith. These evil men did not believe. The word "forgive" here can also mean "to allow", and is actually translated thereby on at least thirteen other occasions in the New Testament.>>>More to come>
---catherine on 4/29/08


If this should be the case here, Christ then would pray, "Father, allow them to crucify me". Thus the prayer would be a plea to stay the wrath of a Righteous Father as He viewed His beloved Son being murdered by sinful and wicked men. The end.
---catherine on 4/29/08


.duane, Jesus did not forgive "all" whom killed him, instead Jesus ONLY prayed forgiveness for those "WHOM KNEW NOT THAT THEY WERE MURDERING HIM WHOM IS THE HOLY ONE." Hell is alotted to the enemies of Christ, and not heaven. Those whom knew what they were doing, are as Catherine has said, are still being tormented in hell for their atrocious sin of slaughtering God's Innocence on the tree. Please Read- John 17:9.
---Eloy on 4/29/08


When Pilate brought Jesus out and said
I have scourged him AND FIND NO FAULT in HIM,I see it Now, them saying as they Tore him to pieces, ARE U THE SON OF GOD?
HIS reply IF any, Would have been, YES, I AM!
Believe ME they GOT to the Truth in a Hurry USING this method of Interrogations!
That should be proof enough for ANYONE that Jesus IS who HE said he was, NO ONE could have GONE thru that and continue W/a Lie!
If you get a Chance read that letter to caesar.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/28/08




Jesus, Ripped to shreds, SAID "Forgive Them Father for they know not what they do".
Are you above Jesus, to CONDEMN, What he Himself, ASKED God to Forgive?
There's stories of "Them" turning to God after that day!
The man who stuck Jesus in the side W/spear, Became a Christian & was later Crucified Himself!
A. to ?,
Thats how they Interrogated people to get to the truth.
Pontius Pilate wrote a Letter to Caesar, Explaining the Happenings of that day.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/28/08


It was sheer brutality. These men, these enemies of God, these wicked evil men, were allowed to do whatever they wanted to do to our Lord and our Saviour. Who can understand the mind of the wicked man? But I am here to tell yo, that was our God on that cross. These wicked men that put Him there is screaming now, and for evermore. And Jesus is delighted to be able to save some people.
---catherine on 4/28/08


Sin is deadly: sin will steal, slay, and devastate because it envies the light. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, else his deeds would be exposed.
---Eloy on 4/28/08


So that we would feel a proper gratitude that he actually did pay a terrible price for our sins. So that we would feel that the price was paid and we did not owe anything to God. So that we would love Jesus Christ and believe what he said concerning God. So that those who suffer at the hands of the devil, can look to Jesus Christ and his suffering and be strengthened knowing that they are not alone.
---frances008 on 4/27/08


To the unbelievers, they thought Jesus was just a crazy man claiming to be the Son of God. And they accused him of blaphasming against God.
---Rebecca_D on 4/27/08


Gods persecution is a picture of our sins, yours and mind and its a picture of how much he loves us. He loves us so much that he chose to go through all that for me and for you. He loves us through our pain, our shame, our sin, our up our downs, when others kick us while we're down, spit on us, lie about us. His persecution had to be great in order for us to know what real love looks like, feels like and what real love will endure for the one "it" loves.
---Clara on 4/2/07


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Because we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against spirits and principalities, etc., Demons work through people and people allow them to operate through them. "My people perish for lack of knowledge" that they are yielding to demonic forces. Don't you think the Pharisee's were blinded by the evil one because they didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah, the Son of God.
---donna6598 on 3/22/07


Tom: I know what you mean, I could not imagine what Christ went through with. I go through trials and have persucutions, and I think that is tough. But what I've been through with in the past doesn't compare to what Jesus went through with. I could not imagine God not ever hearing me and me being cut off from him.
---Rebecca_D on 3/21/07


Why did it need to be so harsh? Or Did it need to be so harsh and what caused it?
---jana on 3/21/07


becky let me just say that yes are lord was severely beaten and suffered greatly physically for us , but one thing many people fail to mention is that he was totally cut off from the father.this experience alone had to have been soooooo horrifying for jesus that I can not even conceive of it.to me that was the harshest part of his dying,his separation from God.
---tom2 on 3/20/07


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Believe it or not, there are some people that believe that they have suffered more in their life than Christ has in his. Not so. but let them believe that.
---Rebecca_D on 3/20/07


Physically it must have been terrible, but terrible things have happened to others.
The real suffering is shown by what Jesus said "My God why have you forsaken me""
In other words, He was, for our sakes, totally separated from His Father
---alan_of_UK on 3/20/07


NEVER has a man walked on the face of this earth that suffered the way our God suffered. Why was His suffering so severe? Because His wicked enemies hated Him so much. They pretty much did what they wanted to do,with our Lord and our God.
---catherine on 3/20/07


Many people has said to me before that it couldn't have been that bad, since they know of worse things that have happened to others, so how harsh should it have been then for those who just do not want to believe.
---Junia on 3/20/07


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the bible tells us that the Lord had to suffer so we could be saved.It had to be harsh so that every sin we have commited will be forgiven.Just imagine if we had to die for our sins.That suffeing signifies that we as christians should also suufer for our freedom.Be brave!!
---lovej3353 on 3/20/07


becky, there have been many many people cruely punished in the history of the world.and amny unjustly punished. but only one man ever was totally without sin and chose to take upon himself the punishment of the worlds sin upon himself. read isaiah 53, this chapter was written I believe about 700 years before jesus,s birth and tells us of his coming ,and his punishment for us, or for the entire world.
---tom2 on 3/19/07


Because the sins of the world are harsh.
---Ryan on 3/19/07


Rebecca_D: That only answers 'why' He was persecuted.

The reason it was so HARSH was because He was paying for ALL the sins ALL of us have commited too.
---NV_Steve on 3/19/07


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