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Baptism In The Holy Spirit

When I was young, a pastor locked me in the bathroom to receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit. After an hour he let me out but I did not speak in tongues. Does this mean I'm not baptized in the Spirit? Has this ever happened to you? How did you become baptized in the Spirit?

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22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

He's talking about when there is no interpretation.
---Matthew_frrom_LA on 10/11/07


4) this is 1 Corinthians 14 btw

27If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course, and let one interpret.

28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church, and let him speak to himself, and to God.

T.S. most tongues spoken today are false and sound like jibberish because it is jibberish. You can do it right now if you wanted.
---Matthew_frrom_LA on 10/11/07


Mima - the Spirit bears witness - so I suppose they have to have the soirit to understand what speaking in tongues is and what it means to the believer.

TS - Have you asked the Lord for the least of His gifts, if you have not recieved tongues - have you recieved any gifts
---Andrea on 10/11/07


5)
All you do is speak and don't think of any intelligible words to say and you can do it to. I challenege you to do it right now. Anyone from the saved to the unsaved can do it because it is a human biological phenomena. Pretty much, it is what a baby does when he is trying to learn how to speak. Since a baby does not know any words, whe he/she speaks, out comes strange words when they try. Real tongues involves the Holy SPirit taking over one's mouth and speaking in an actual language.
---Matthew_frrom_LA on 10/11/07


Mrs Morgan:
These are all gifts of the Spirit. Tongues is at the bottom of the list. Modern blathering in unintelligible jibber and foaming at the mouth is not tongues. "God is not the Spirit of Confusion."

This is why Paul said there must be an interpretor in Church if tongues is spoken.
---Matthew_frrom_LA on 10/11/07




1 Corinthians 14:5
I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Paul gives the reason why tongues in Chruch must have someone with gift of interpretation.
---Matthew_frrom_LA on 10/11/07


---TS would it be safe to say that you do not speak in tongues?
---Mima on 10/11/07


Mrs Morgan:
These are all gifts of the Spirit. Tongues is at the bottom of the list. Modern blathering in unintelligible jibber and foaming at the mouth is not tongues. "God is not the Spirit of Confusion."

1Cor12:28 "God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, AFTER THAT: miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of TONGUES"
---TS on 10/11/07


6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (ALL BEARING WITNESS OF THE SAME THING, OF ONE MIND AND ONE ACCORD)

8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: AND THESE THREE AGREE AS ONE.
EXACTLY!
---kathr4453 on 4/17/07


Susan, The Holy Spirit works with a person according to their HEART, He only works with TRUTH, many OSAS believers haven't hid this in their heart:(Psalm 119:11)/(John 8:51)(John 12:48)/(John 15:6)/(John 17:17)/(Gal. 5:16)/(James 1:22)/(James 2:17)/(Rom.6:16)/(1 John 3:3,5-10),because they feel it isn't "required", this produces little to no growth in God's Grace & Knowledge to their own detriment(2 Peter 3:16-18),reason why Jesus said only a FEW will enter into His Kingdom(Matt.7:21).God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 4/17/07




Here it is the Holy Ghost is God also.
1 John 5:7 (King James Version) For there are THREE that bear record IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THE WORD, and THE HOLY GHOST: and these THREE ARE ONE. Kathryn you better read scripture before make assumptions.


---doug7835 on 4/17/07


This is where it starts to flip.

Mrs. Morgan: The Spirit is actually the one who puts to death our old nature at the same time. Those who suffer with Him will be Glorified together with Him. These scriptures are for those who know they are saved. OSAS. To apply them to only a sinfree existence missed the whole point. As we continue, those who are born again, we find we overcome, not only the world, but false doctrine as well."
Kathr4453
---Susan on 4/17/07


I think you are referring to what some call the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. No scripture to back that up. Jesus gave "gifts" to HIS Body,but it's "Christ in you" that is working out of you what He is working in you. Christians are indwelt at the time they are Born Again with Father Son and Holy Spirit. The Lord our God is ONE.
---kathr4453
---Susan on 4/17/07


Flip/floppy, again.

Mrs. Morgan: You quote Philippians and Revelations.."they overcame through the Blood of the Lamb...yet you don't believe it yourself...if you did, you would believe OSAS. Who do you think were the overcomers? Do you think that is past tense? Or could that possibly be ALL of God's saints, He purchased with His Precious, Blood.
---kathr4453 on 9/12/06
---Susan on 4/17/07


Evolving beliefs that change and dart all over the place.
Fairweather friends, blogging buddies - not too important in the big picture.
---Susan on 4/17/07


Jude 1:20
But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
---kathr4453 on 9/11/06

I once heard someone explain it this way:
Ice, water, vapor are all the exact element, in 3 different forms. This is much like the Trinity. All I know is I believe in the Triune God.

---kathr4453 on 9/11/06
---Susan on 4/17/07


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Susan and Frank. I absolutely believe in the Holy Spirit. The Lord our God is ONE, Father Son and Holy Spirit. We worship God, through His Son in the Power of the Holy Spirit. Many have it the opposite. They "worship" the Holy Spirit, as does Benny Hinn. The Holy Spirit does not speak of Himself but Glorifies God. The Three are one, and do not work separately from one another. They are of ONE Mind and ONE accord. Please know the difference. This is what scripture teaches. NEXT
---kathr4453 on 4/17/07


#2
John 15:26
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, ****he shall testify of me****:

You see Frank and Susan, The Holy Spirit Testifies of Jesus Christ , not Himself.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/07


#3
When John the Baptist baptized Jesus, a dove descended upon Jesus. God said, "This is my Son in whom I'm well pleased. John the Baptist said, "Behold the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world". THIS is what the Holy Spirit TESTIFIES TO.

Anything contrary to scripture is a counterfeit spirit. The Holy Spirit does not work contrary to the Word of God. Extra Biblical babel is not the Holy Spirit.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/07


Internet friendship is fleeting, error is forever.
---Susan on 4/16/07


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The bigger question, do they agree with you that the Holy Spirit is a diety?
You don't believe the unpardonable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, do they?
All of your teachings are a wash without the Holy Spirit, equal to the Father and Son.
---Susan on 4/16/07


Kathr, you have said some wretched things to your non-friends.

"Yes, the servant is the Type of Holy Spirit. I do also believe as the Body of Christ the Holy Spirit indwells us,and we not only are the Bride, but as the Body of Christ, His servant as well, calling those through the preaching of the Gospel. Paul& Peter refer to themselves many times as the servant of Jesus Christ. They are also In Christ, The Church."
---kathr4453
---Susan on 4/16/07


Dear kathr4453, Thanks for the compliment, It's very important that ALL of God's people choose their words wisely, this is what I have learned, emotions can really make a mess of things. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 4/16/07


" Kathr, I know is a good person, but she has allowed her spirit to be troubled very much, that now when she answers she is not interested in answering a question, or to debate, for God's glory, she has another agenda. Her own spiritual life has changed because I see the difference everyday. I understand, but we should do everything with patience, compassion, respect, and love, for the glory of God.
---lisa on 11/1/06 "
---Susan on 4/17/07


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Chipper is one of many...
Here's Kathr as Larry defending herself....

I have also come to another conclusion. Calvinists have a total disrespect for women. They truly believe they are to be deaf, dumb and blind. Now I see why John T and those who are his side kicks have gone after kathr for her insight on Calvinism.
It's one thing to expose a doctrine, as she has done. "You shall have "NO OTHER GODS" before me". That law will never pass away!
---Larry on 8/19/06
---Susan on 4/17/07


Mrs. Morgan: I want to commend you for your answer to Susan. You are a perfect example of a Godly woman on line not feeding into lies. You know I love you dearly, and whether you believe in OSAS or not is not an issue. What is important is you love the Lord, and your behavior proves you are a genuine Christian. One thing I can say about Mrs. Morgan, Matthew and many others not enough room to name,is that even though we may disagree on issues,we never play games, separate friendships or accuse on another!
---kathr4453 on 4/16/07


No, kathr, thats not what i'm saying
---mark on 4/16/07


I have to hand it over to you, you had this defined last fall. I can pull it up. To paraphrase, the discussion was moving from Calvinism to OSAS. Calvin was a goat, but she said I believe in OSAS. Then over the months, it became fluid, and she no longer believed in OSAS. Then OSAS/eternal security needed wiping off the face of the earth - and we're off and running to the "Holy Spirit as a deity".
Last fall, you said, Kathr - your views - they are-a-changin', day by day. True.
---Susan on 4/16/07


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"Since Kathr says, those who consider the Holy Spirit a diety are cultish, what say you, Mrs. Morgan?Kathr does not believe the Holy Spirit equal..."


Dear Susan, All I can say is, I can't speak for kathr & that God knows her heart....If you are asking [me] about the Person of the Holy Spirit, He is just as much as God as God the Father, and God the Son(the Holy Trinity), They are EQUAL/One in terms of power/authority/mind/heart/will. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 4/16/07


Susan, I have learned in my walk with Jesus , that ALL Christians must GROW in God's Grace and Knowledge, which requires a humble/obedient/pure heart(2 Peter 3:18). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 4/16/07


Sister Susan, I have just answered Kathr on another blog and said the same thing to her. I believe sister Morgan and her are very good friends and believe in the same things. They speak of cults of others but their own understanding of God is so wrong. The Holy Spirit not equal with the Father or the Son, is one of the reasons they have everything so corrupted. They don't even know who God is. I believe they need to start from the beginning. They answer alot about works, yet don't even know who God is.
---frank on 4/16/07


B. Susan: thank you for speaking out on behalf of God. We need more people to do the same. It gets tiring to see so many making a mockery of God, and His word. More people should come forward with the truth. This place is getting taking over by false teachings.
---frank on 4/16/07


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Kathr, just read on the other blog that you do not believe the Holy Spirit is equal to the Father or the Son. I also realize you used my name to get your evens, which your do very frequently. We all have our eye on you.
The fact that you do not give the Holy Spirit the same measure as the Father or the Son really helps me understand why your views are askew and off.
---Susan on 4/15/07


Since Kathr says, those who consider the Holy Spirit a diety are cultish, what say you, Mrs. Morgan?
Kathr does not believe the Holy Spirit equal in terms of the triune aspect or Holy Trinity of God, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
---Susan on 4/15/07


What do you think of this Mrs. Morgan?

You are always talking about the Holy Ghost, putting more emphasis there than Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit does not draw attention to Himself, but actually points to Jesus. Do you understand that? Many charismatics have made the Holy Spirit a diety. This is cultish! BEWARE!
This will be the spirit of anti-christ coming with great signs and wonders!
---kathr4453
---Susan on 4/16/07


You by all means do not have to speak in tongues following receiving the Holy Spirit. Tongues is a gift like evangelism, hospitality or giving. You must however bear fruit such as love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, self-control.
---Trenton on 4/8/07


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mark: are you saying we get a Baptism of the Holy Spirit for each Gift?
---kathr4453 on 4/5/07


Matthew, there is one Scripture that all of these personas cannot say.
Why would you rant against the e-cards that your beliefs supposedly supported?
---WonderingWhy on 4/5/07


Matthew read---

"Oh I see. When YOU correct US, it's perfectly alright, but when I correct YOU, it's a "personal attack"? YOU ARE WRONG with these hurtful, tasteless, and VERY un-Christlike ecards, and I am NOT personally attacking you by saying so. You just say I am because I told you that you were wrong, which we all know is the unpardonable sin."

---T.S. on 6/21/06

Matthew, read the last sentence here, you will see the common thread. Same person.
---WonderingWhy on 4/5/07


4give me Mark, this is just how my Bible describes speaking tongues is.1Cor14:5I would like all of u2 speak in strange tongues; but I would rather that u had the gift of proclaiming God's message.4the person who proclaims is of greater value than the one who speaks in strange tongues UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE WHO CAN EXPLAIN..readV6 what use will I b 2u etc.I beleive strange tongue is a known language
---jana on 4/5/07


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T.S. from last year and TS that is on now have seperate beliefs and are most likely two different people.
---Matthew on 4/4/07


We still love ya TS, but i dont think that laughing will be taking place on judgement day, you will be sad for all the people who got it wrong...so probably crying
---mark on 4/4/07


Kathr, cant i ask God for another gift??, who says that you can only have just one gift, what if there are more than one gift dormant in the body and they are "activated" upon different times and different events...get it???
i'm just confuesd
---mark on 4/4/07


wait i'm confused, is wonderingwhy ts wondering why??
---mark on 4/4/07


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I was just wondering. If Cornealus received his "ONE and only Gift of the Holy Spirit when he got saved" and began speaking in tongues, would that make those who require a 2nd abnormal Christians ? Or possibly Johnny come lately's? I think it's a fair question! If I received mine in one Gift, why do you accuse?
---kathr4453 on 4/4/07


Now I see..

So, the e-cards are not only everything I've said they were, they are HYPOCRITICAL as well! Now, THAT's all I've got to say, go ahead an gang jump me if you all want to- like you always do. I bet there's a bunch of haw-hawing going on in the CN office right now at my expense, but we'll just see who's laughing on judgement day.

Moderator - T.S. at this point no more of your posts will be allowed in this blog as this isn't serving the Gospel.
---T.S. on 6/22/06
---WonderingWhy on 4/3/07


Somehow, my posts got all jumbled up and out of order, and some are missing- making my comments make no sense at all.....Hmmmmmm, I wonder if that was an "accident".

Moderator - It's exactly what we received and we posted 100% - feel free to post again. T.S. many of your comments are personal comments directed toward ChristiaNet with a design to cause harm and I don't see love in that type of approach. Please stick to scriptures not personal attacks.
---T.S. on 6/21/06
---WonderingWhy on 4/3/07


Susan: Were you just now speaking in tongues in those last three blogs?
Yep Jack, you are correct! Whether in English or not, out of that belly flows rivers of stench!
---kathr4453 on 4/3/07


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Sushie: Can't defend your stances based upon Scripture so you resort to name calling? How Christian. You hate, because what I say from the scriptures reveals the sand upon which you are sinking. Men refused the light because they loved the darkness. At least my "blathering" can be understood by intelligent creatures formed in the image of thier creator. I find it funny you needed 3 posts x 85 words to get out your blather. Please stop foaming in rapid succession and let others blog :)
---TS on 4/2/07


TS, Kathr or whoever you are, I see you flopping and foaming, bloviating on every blog. Blog bloviators, now there's a gift.
---Susan on 4/2/07


I've not ever heard a story like that, Jack.
But you would be for anything that was a faith killer and a joy destroyer. Any way you can do that for others seems to please you. Yes, I am glad God provides for you every month. If the government is no longer able to do that, maybe your faith will increase.
---Susan on 4/2/07


One last question, Jack. As brilliant and scholarly as you are about each and every subject; computer saavy, why don't use these abilities and write a book or two? Would having faith for another source of income be out of bounds. There's good money in finding heresy in the church. Another book idea for the critic's corner. You spend hours on the computer, writing books would be an option for income.
---Susan on 4/2/07


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PART ONE:
Herb,
Think about it Herb. I am not talking about a Christian conversion experience for those people but rather one to the particular false religion. The point is, if they experience some sort of conversion at the spiritual level - to a non Christian faith - then should we discount Christian conversion as being valid. And because so many false religions practice baptism should we discredit Christian baptism as being invalid as well?
---BRUCE5656 on 4/2/07


PART TWO:
After all, in the world of Herb: Anything that is practiced in a false religion (in this case tongues) cannot be valid.
---BRUCE5656 on 4/2/07


** My Grandmother was Pentecostal. One day a man "fell out" and began speaking in a foreign tongue. The Pastor said "Praise God He is giving Glory to Jesus!"

Then a man spoke up and said "I am Armenian and this man speaks armenian. He does not worship God but curses and blasphemes His Holy name!!!"**

I've heard this sort of thing happening before.
---Jack on 4/1/07


My Grandmother was Pentecostal. One day a man "fell out" and began speaking in a foreign tongue. The Pastor said "Praise God He is giving Glory to Jesus!"

Then a man spoke up and said "I am Armenian and this man speaks armenian. He does not worship God but curses and blasphemes His Holy name!!!"

Demonic Possession flops and foams. Scripture says test the Spirits to see if they are of God.

You have been warned.
---TS on 4/1/07


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MARK, Graham, Susan, and Highwayone: These accusations were going on in another blog. Please STOP making FALSE accusations. I blog under my own name kathr4453. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. THEREFORE, I would have No reason to blog under or use someone elses name.
There is no scripture that teaches a 2nd baptism of the Holy Spirit. Read the story of Cornelius. Do you find a second? NO!
---kathr4453 on 4/1/07


The remainder Acts. Only ONE mention of receiving the GIFT of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10:46-47 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? (Meaning Gentiles too!)

CROSS-REFERENCE:

Galatians 3:14
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ;that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
---kathr4453 on 4/1/07


Romans 10:9-10 Upon salvation, you are given a measure of the Spirit, because you have accepted Christ to live in your heart, Acts. chapter two then mentions Baptism in the Spirit this is then the 2nd Baptism, Then 3rd water baptism is indicative of sin burial, however, does not remit sins Mt. 3:11.
---Cynthia_1 on 4/1/07


Acts 10:44While Peter yet spake these words (THE GOSPEL), the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. ***YEA, Gentiles are SAVED TOO!

The GIFT of the Holy Ghost promised in the New Covenant. There are NOT 2 separate Baptisms here....only ONE.
---kathr4453 on 4/1/07


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Catherine, Just a question if we can't pick our gifts why did Paul encourage the Corinthians to covet prophecy?
All the gifts are there for each of us; starting with the lowly tongues. Our faith determines much of what we receive. Shalom
---Mishon on 4/1/07


*do you know that the devil comes into the church as well*

Probably when we caught them lying about something or someone as you did.
---lee on 3/31/07


jana, Paul def says 1st cor. 14:6, if i speak in tongues what good will it do to you...he also says in vs 2, "no one understands him", thats sounds pretty unknown to me...Paul also says that speaking in unknown tongue(language that no one understands) is worthless to the church but its b/w you and God...
Please dont say that just b/c you dont understand than its def not of God
---mark on 3/31/07


Baptism: ordinance performed to cleanse our sins. The Holy Ghost helps us if we are worthy of him. The gift of the Holy Ghost is given by laying on of hands by those holding authority and priesthood of God. Acts 8:16-18. The Holy Ghost cannot dwell in unholy temples or bodies. He is the spirit of truth and comforter. We live righteously to have him as a constant companion. You cannot break God's laws and expect him to be with you. Example, drunk or high, angry, abuse your family, lie, cheat, etc.
---ashley on 3/31/07


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The only ones I see foaming and blathering at the mouth are the ones who don't believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit... On every single blog they touch.
---Susan on 3/31/07


Rev_Herb , Some think they have the Holy Ghost Baptism, but don't, it isn't the Holy Ghost speaking through them. So don't take man's opinions, search the Scriptures about it, the enemy is sneaky, many Christian's are fooled thinking they have the REAL Holy Ghost and it isn't, they are either speaking some gibberish of "self" or the "devil"(fanaticism/deceit), Jesus said you will KNOW them by their fruits, once again don't take man's advice, search the [Word].
---Mrs._Morgan on 3/31/07


I have a question? How does any of us know for certain if the conversions are real. I mean, did Jesus really save them. Only God knows for sure His own children. True we have clues, We simply cannot rely on that. There are alot of good people. Judge a man's heart, we still might get it wrong. So what do we do? keep our eyes on Jesus. all you true believers.
---catherine on 3/31/07


You can tell the tongues of beautiful ''tongue of angels'' and ''unknown dialects tongues''
as you excercise your ''Holy Spirit,given gift of Discernment'' the demonic tongues will have the same effect as someone scratching their fingernails along a chalkboard.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/31/07


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2 Timothy 1

5When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

6Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.

7For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/07


Herb,
Many of those groups you mentioned have a "conversion experience" too. Are we then to rule out the validity of being "converted" to Christianity?

Many of them practice baptism too. Are we then to rule out the validity of baptism?
---BRUCE5656 on 3/30/07

Just because they have a conversion experience, then why do they not leave there group they are in? Would an adulter continue to live in adultry afer a conversion experience?
---Rev_Herb on 3/31/07


The truth is Mishon, we don't pick and choose out gifts anyways. God just gives them to us.
---catherine on 3/31/07


RF am not being awful, do you know that the devil comes into the church as well? Are you sure you spoke in a known language? At least thats how I understand speaking in tongues to be, a known language. If anything other than known language, it is not of the Holy Spirit of God but other things...
---jana on 3/31/07


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In church as I was praising the Lord; I simply started speaking in tongues. Tell me if you were given heaps of gifts would you only pick out certain ones; and leave the others? So why pick and choose the Gifts God is wanting to give you; even the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.
---Mishon on 3/30/07


Mrs Morgan: Never spoke against Real manifestatios/Tongues. Speak against unintelligible blathering and foaming at the mouth, flopping on floors eyes bugging out is not God. God not the author of confusion.

Real Tongues is speaking in foreign languages. Foreign languages are not blathering. They sound like cloven tongues but they are to be understood. Jerusalem, crossroads of many dialects and the Gift is Given to Spread the Gospel. There are True Manifestations and there are False.
---TS on 3/30/07


Herb,
Many of those groups you mentioned have a "conversion experience" too. Are we then to rule out the validity of being "converted" to Christianity?

Many of them practice baptism too. Are we then to rule out the validity of baptism?
---BRUCE5656 on 3/30/07


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