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The True Remnant Of Israel

Is there a true remnant of Israel that observes and does all things Christ has commanded in Matthew 28:19-20?

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Jana: What is the "remnant"? According to the Bible, who are they?
Lay aside your preconceived notions for a few minutes and take a look at the real Word of God.
---Chipper on 6/24/07

Jana, do you believe only the SDA's will be saved?
---Matthew on 6/23/07

jana - *Truth or Fables Website is a Christian Bashing site...*

Like Obsever stated jana, you have a hard time handling the truth!

---lee on 6/23/07

Truth or Fables Website is a Christian Bashing is not directed at preaching truth but lie,insult and bash others who believe in how they follow Biblical teachings..this is where Lee got his teachings from..Is that how a christian should be? I advise anyone not to even bother looking at the ugliness on this website..
---jana on 6/23/07

chipper: Yes, we SDAs are remnants of God's church Amen..Are you too scared of embarrassed to say that you are brother? Never be ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ...Yes, we believe that we SDAs are remnants of God's church..and we also believe there are others in other folds who are remnants of God's church..Amen..I am absolutely proud to announce it on the roof tops, on the streets that Jesus is my Savior..and I am a remanant of His church..Amen
---jana on 6/23/07

When there is a remnant who keeps their integrity it is God who preserves them for Himself. A small group of God's people who remained loyal to Him in the middle of widespread sin and idolatry. Obedience is the key in getting into Heaven. Only a few now days and forever.
---catherine on 6/23/07

chipper: amazing thing is, we dont have to prove as u your statement. all we christians need to do is follow exactly what God commanded us to do and ensure that our salvation is Christ based, not man based.We are all studying the Bible and should follow exactly what it is giving us. As it is, we SDAs are folllowing all His commands..u have any problem with that? God bless
---jana on 6/23/07

Geoff - most people here probably would not know who or what William Foy & Hazen Foss were.

Basically they were a couple of charlatans associated with William Millers disasterious 2d coming of Christ prediction (1844).

One can read the details of those guys on the truthorfables website.
---lee on 6/21/07

Lee said, "without Ellen White, the Seventh Day Adventist church would be simply another sabbatherian sect." You are probably right, except God would raise someone else up as is apparent with what happened with William Foy & Hazen Foss. Luke 19:40
If these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
---Geoff on 6/21/07

The SDAS..after Millers wrong prediction of Christ's return, a group of followers including EGW restudied the bible again n found Sabbath 2b the 7th day not first. They also found our true diet, health etc. So they formed the SDA based on the 7th day Sabbath and the end time advent as in Bible. Your false quip that we preach EGW is way out of line dear. EGW's b.u.tful writings helps one understand Bible better..plagurism? everyone do it 2enhance their writings....a)
---jana on 6/21/07

EGW's writings one of the most beautiful of all ..she writes about God in a way that she uplifted Him all the way..Nowhere will you ever find that she offended Christ.Lee said she plaguirised, then she would of been found guilty of it long ago yet nothing was done..wouldnt it be that she never did such? Lee described her catatonic, she sure writes more beautiful than you Lee..she never insulted, slandered etc as you did....b)
---jana on 6/21/07

What's "amazing" is that the SDA's think that they are the "true remnant church".
Can they prove they are Israelites from either the House of Israel or the House of Judah? I don't think so.
Also, all in Christ are one, period, end of story. There are NO special groups of born again believers.
---Chipper on 6/19/07

TS - It is truly amazing that anyone who has studied the life of Ellen white would be able to recognize her as anything but a false prophet.

Without Ellen White, the Seventh Day Adventist church would be simply another sabbatherian sect.
---lee on 6/9/07

Jana: I am constantly amazed how the SDA Church needs not a single Word from EG White to support thier doctrine..and yet the false prophets rail against EG White because they can not defeat her words or the SDA Doctrine with any scripture.
---TS on 6/7/07

the truth hurts: hahahah boy, I am only tormented that you guys will miss out on the rapture..God says "IF U LOVE ME, OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS" and what do you all do? Break one of His 10 commands, and you break the lot. Remember, Jesus is the Law/Word and He it is that you are being disobedient to..EGW sure will make it to heaven..will you? by the way, we only worship one God..Jehovah Almighty..not EGW..she was a faithful prophetess..u r not God 2b judging her.
---jana on 6/7/07

jana, the truth hurts, but you can't handle the truth. You are tormented by it though, you're in a constant warfare every day, fighting the truth.
The question is, will you go down fighting it to your last breath. EW didn't die for you.
---theTruthHurts on 5/30/07

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The truth about Ellen White, what she was, her medical problems, epilepsy which contributed to her visions as well as her unorthodox & unbiblical beliefs are well documented on various Internet sites for all to view.

As expected whatever conflicts with the truth about Adventism, is quickly labeled as false, from the devil, etc. But such people lack discernment & are in the tight grips of false prophets and their successors.
---lee on 5/30/07

Lee: you talk tripe, I have never ever insulted EGW but you..a catatonic epileptic u not see that as an insulting statement Lee? your education didnt serve you well uneducated self holds more love and honesty and faith than you educated man..I will continue to pray for you boy...Lord have mercy
---jana on 5/30/07

The true remnant of Israel today are the ones who have had their sins washed in the blood of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ.

It is NOT a particular religous group or denomination. They are individual born again saints of God.
---Chipper on 5/29/07

Israel has suffered terrible persecution today under the tyranny of vindictive hateful people who believe themselves to be superior even to Gods elect. I believe that there are some regardless of the persecution
they have been through still follow the way of God.
---anonymous on 5/27/07

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TS - it is hard to believe that the SDA upholds the concept of Sola Scriptura - Bible alone when it comes to doctrine, as the SDA Fundamental Beliefs #18 state that the writings of Ellen White "are a continuing & authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction & correction."

Perhaps you do not understand Sola Scriptura?
---lee on 5/26/07

Jana preach truth boy...not insults

To call another one "boy" is a great insult in the US.

Please refrain, an you have done this before.
---Observer on 5/26/07

SDAs teach much of Wesleyan Methodist theology with baptism by immersion like baptist do. They are in no way related to mormons or jehovahs witnesses that have bibles of their own creation

SDA follow "Sola Scriptura" prefering King James Bible. Main difference is they believe in Keeping ALL 10 Commandments and believe the Bible on the State of the Dead rather than tradition. They are not afraid of walking past a cemetary at night ;)
---TS on 5/26/07

Our SDA neighbor woman loved her tea despite the fact that such is on the forbidden list!

And her husband raised pigs for market on his farm.

Interesting that Jesus did not advocate any dietary laws whatsoever. In fact, He told his followers that whatever goes into the belly does not defile one but what comes out of the heart (Mark 7:18f). Of course, He did not have Ellen White there to correct Him!
---lee on 5/26/07

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Jana - I would be careful what you say about Ellen White; you may be declared a heretic & shown the door. You may even have to go to a church that holds Sunday services!

As to the Jewish dietary laws, my father used to mention that carp (fish with scales) often wait near the town sewer for someone to flush their tiolets. They are scavengers so your argument has no rationale at all.

1 Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, & nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
---lee on 5/26/07

It is true that EGW ate oysters and also pork - BEFORE she was convicted that they were unclean. So did I. I wonder if Lee has given up any disgusting habits since being converted to Christianity. Probably not.
---jerry6593 on 5/26/07

Lee: if EGW eats oysters, it does not mean all SDAs r blind to the truth boy..and we dont folow EGW but the Bible/Holy Word of God. U seem to love EGW and mention her quite a bit..mmmm whose practicing error, Lee or EGW? i dont eat pork,oysters,fish with no scales yyyuuuk they are all scavengers that eats all the gunk in the sea n water..preach truth boy...not insults
---jana on 5/26/07

*Do you eat ... seafood that do not have scales? such as oysters, lobster, clams, etc.*

What is amusing is olde Ellen White herself really loved oysters - often ordering them from her relatives.

I believe Jesus already made it very clear that when goes into the belly does not defile one but what comes out of the heart.

But some religionists measure their spirituality (and that of others) on externals - what one eats, drinks, or what day of the week one has communal worship.
---lee on 5/24/07

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TS: Do you eat any foods such as Nectarines, or certain types of oranges, or any other fruits or vegetables that have been grafted, or any kinds of meats that have been mingled or adulterated with another kind such as Angus and Holstein or Hereford? If you do, then you are not pure, and have defiled the laws of God. Do you eat any kinds of seafood that do not have scales? such as oysters, lobster, clams, etc. Do you eat any pork products such as ham, bacon?
---Chipper on 5/24/07

Adventists accuse Christians 4practicing lawlessness: WRONG. The Bible that is the Holy Word of God is telling u all 2 obey Him/Christ and your not. We are not the ones telling u that u r disobedient but God Himself..When will u turn and obey God?>?? He is calling u oh disobedient Israelites...Lee, your stil holding onto an obselete law the ceremonial laws which u r wrongly accusing us of using and were not..
---jana on 5/24/07

TS is MikeM.
He's always standing by his statements.
My statement still stands, his favorite saying. Still stands, according to whom?
---Elmyra on 5/24/07

Chipper - *Lee, are you obeying all of these??*

Certainly not as all those OT laws were given only to and for the Hebrew nation.

Christians do not live under the Old Covenant unless you are an SDA or jewish convert and attempt to live under both the Old & New Covenant.

The Adventist accuse Christians of being lawless based upon laws that are not applicable to the church; laws such as Sababth keeping, dietary laws, wearing clothing of mix material, etc.
---lee on 5/23/07

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Chipper: Those continuing in Sin Justify it by Preaching it. Both contexts are correct. It starts in the heart, finds its way in action and then is justified by unrepentant lips. I stand by my statement.
---TS on 5/23/07

chipper: No, I do not wear cotton and wool blends.
---TS on 5/23/07

If you are wearing clothing of mixed materials,eating foods or meats that have been genetically engineered, you are sinning.

Leviticus 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

Leviticus 19:37 Therefore shall ye observe all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: I am the LORD.
---Chipper on 5/23/07

Leviticus 26:15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

Lee, are you obeying all of these??
---Chipper on 5/23/07

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TS said: "YOU who Practice (PREACH) Lawlessness"

You used the word "PREACH" here which is totally incorrect. The word "Practice" means to "continue" in sin in an on-going basis and will not give it up. An example would be to continue lying, stealing, bearing false witness, hating,cheating on your wife, molesting children, etc.
When we stop "practicing" sin, we give it up!
---Chipper on 5/23/07

Are you obeying this command, law, or statute??

Leviticus 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.

Do you wear clothing of mixed materials? Do you eat meats that have been genetically engineered?
---Chipper on 5/23/07

Are you obeying this command, law, or statute??

Leviticus 19:37 Therefore shall ye observe all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: I am the LORD.

TS, read all of Leviticus ch 26 and then tell me you obey it. I don't think so!
---Chipper on 5/23/07

Absolutely... we SDAs are Remnants of God's church..we that have the Testimony of Jesus Christ..we who keep allll His 10 Holy Laws which is a transcript of His Holy Character ... need I go on? (((%))) tch tch
---jana on 5/23/07

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Kathr addresses TS, TS addresses Kathr, Kathr starts part 1, and Chipper finishes part 2. Dandy, just dandy.
---Barney on 5/22/07

mark: Again all things includes the Commandments that Chirst gave at Sinai, ExCh20.

Do you deny that it was He Who Commanded them?
---TS on 5/22/07

This message is given all believers, first that "All authority has been given to Christ in heaven and on earth" This message answers Matthew's question whether Christ is the authority of the earth or not. The next was to make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Here Christ makes clear the formula, and that is a strong affirmation of trinitarianism. Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you,"
---mark on 5/22/07

#2. Jesus wanted them to teach the new disciples all that He commanded them to teach. To observe all things, for He would not tell them to only observe some, but all. And He ends it with I am with you, always, refering Immanuel verse 1:23, which translated, "God with us" remains "with us" even to the end of the age. Until He returns bodily to judge the world and establish His earthly kingdom, when the coronation of Jesus Christ accures Rev. 11:15-17.
---mark on 5/22/07

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mathew: Sorry, misread your statment. Thanks for clarifying.
---TS on 5/22/07

TS, whenever I put astericks around a comment, I'm quoting someone else. That comment was from someone else, please scroll down.
---Matthew on 5/21/07

chipper - *The "works of the law" you are refering to in Romans 3:20, are the ritualistic cleansings, etc.*

The verse does not say that; there is no qualifier on law. All you have is an interpretation, but the commentators using the whole of scripture have a much better interpretation & is also mine.

The just shall live by faith (alive according to James), but again, there is no qualifier on the word faith. So all you have an interpretations different from Biblical expositors.
---lee on 5/21/07

*mathew: If you actually believed in Him you would Keep His Commandments but because they are not written in your Heart you cant and you wont.*

TS, what are you talking about?
---Matthew on 5/21/07

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Does God take all this evil, sin, and impurity away from a person when they "get saved"?? *

If you ask this question because of the comment I put after my excerpt of Ephesians 5.

"Are we not to partake with ourselves?"

I thought most would understand that I was using sarcasm.
---Matthew on 5/21/07

The "works of the law" you are refering to in Romans 3:20, are the ritualistic cleansings, etc. that God designed for the Israelites while on there journey through the wilderness and when they came into the "promised land" of Canaan. It has nothing to do with lying, cheating, hate, malice, anger, murder, fornication, adultery, etc.
Surely you must know the difference.
Read Leviticus and Deuteronomy to see what all they were required to do.... which we are not.
---Chipper on 5/21/07

Lee; Get it straight. We are "saved by GRACE through FAITH in Christ Jesus" and "Faith without Works is Dead."

In faith I OBEY because Jesus said "If you Love Me Keep My Commandments" This same Jesus will say to many Christians when He returns "Depart from ME, YOU who Practice (PREACH) Lawlessness"
---TS on 5/21/07

mathew: If you actually believed in Him you would Keep His Commandments but because they are not written in your Heart you cant and you wont.
---TS on 5/21/07

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hahaha those who rely on Christ alone to keep the laws for them are the laziest of all..what? u cant keep them??? when God says in the NT John14:15:"IF U LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS" Remember,the laws is a transcript of His Holy character we need 2conform 2..tch tch..go out and witness to others, to help others, to serve like Christ did..thats work 4u..u r saved by your works also..Christ also said u help one of these little kids, u also help me.. isnt that work also if u do help?Trust in God.
---jana on 5/21/07

2Cor3:7-9,clearly states this is the Mosaic Laws not the 10C. Heb13:8 Absolutely Lee: Jesus the Word made flesh John 1:1,14 is the same yesterday, today and forever..He never changes and so does His Holy 10commandments which is a transcript of His Holy unchangable character..Amen..Get it..right..
---jana on 5/21/07

commandments not imposed on the church: John 14:15 IF U LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS. Is that not talking to the church Lee? Is that not the Word of God speaking to us believers? Or is it only to SDAs and not u Lee? Whom do u go by Lee? Man or God? U so choose only what u want and disregard the rest, just as God would do 2 biff those out whom choose this path as u do..Lord have mercy...
---jana on 5/21/07

and Moses turned n went down from the mount, n the 2tables of the testimony were in his hand, the tables were written on both their sides, on the one side and on the other were they written. And the tables were the work of God, and the writing were the writing of God graven upon the tables. EGW wrote well. r u jealous that God didnt choose u2 receive such Lee? hahah God only choose those He see able 2do His work, not the disfunctional sinful souls that insults and bash others 4their belief in the Word.
---jana on 5/21/07

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*Get it straight people: We are saved by faith .... & justified by works.*

Romans 3:20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, ....

Galatians 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified {Or counted righteous} by works of the law but thru faith in Jesus Christ,so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ & not by works of the law, bec by works of the law no one will be justified.
---lee on 5/20/07

Not by faith only but by faith that is not dead.

When the Bible clearly states, "The righteous shall live by faith." (Romans 1:17) why must some add to what the word of God plainly states?

The epistle of James only speaks of faith that is not dead in that such faith that is alive will produce works. But the Bible clearly states that one is justified by faith with no quals on faith.
---lee on 5/20/07

*I love you coz I CAN'T KEEP YOUR COMMANDMENTS. you can't keep them.The command of GOD is believe on MY SON. CHRIST ALONE KEPT THEM look to HIM ALONE!!!*

He didn't say believe I existed. He said believe in me. That means believe in everything he taught, everything he said and stood for, everything he was.
---Matthew on 5/20/07

You are taking believeing and bringing it down to the level of Santa Claus and faeries. "Clap your hands if you believe in faeries". Christ wants you to belive in HIM. Believing in Christ constitues much more than believing he existed. If you truly believe in Him then you would believe in everything he taught and you wouldn't fight any of it. It is disturbing when people do.
---Matthew on 5/20/07

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Get it straight people:
We are saved by faith .... and justified by works.
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
James 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
James 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
---Chipper on 5/20/07

Get it straight people:
We are saved by faith .... and justified by works.
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Not by faith only.
Not by faith only.
Not by faith only,
unless James wasn't inspired by the Holy Ghost and lied about it.
Get your sissors out and cut these verses out of your Bible.
---Chipper on 5/20/07

I'm tellin u, your trusting in your works of faith and repentance, by deeds of the law; no man will be justified. Is your faith perfect? is your repentance perfect? are your works less than perfect? coz "IF" they are and they are. WE NEED ONE who is perfect in GOD'S sight. Who are you going to look to, your law keeping, your free will? I love you coz I CAN'T KEEP YOUR COMMANDMENTS. you can't keep them.The command of GOD is believe on MY SON. CHRIST ALONE KEPT THEM look to HIM ALONE!!!
---steven_rem7000 on 5/20/07

Does God take all this evil, sin, and impurity away from a person when they "get saved"??
Be very careful how you answer this.
---Chipper on 5/20/07

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*And where did Paul say that one must live by faith AND something else?*

Ephesians 5
1Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children 2and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

3But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
---Matthew on 5/20/07

4Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. 5For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy personsuch a man is an idolaterhas any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.[a] 6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7Therefore do not be partners with them.

Are we not to partake with ourselves?
---Matthew on 5/20/07

True Christians no longer live by the works of the flesh listen in Galation 5:19-21. If they, for some reason commit one of them they repent, because to live in such sins = death.
Paul said ALL who do such things go to hell. Christians are not excluded.
---Matthew on 5/20/07

Jesus said "If anyone wants to be my disciple they must deny themself." It means deny your flesh,as Paul put it crucify the old man, crucify the flesh. Jesus said "If you love me, obey my commandments." Jesus said
John 14:21
Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."
---Matthewm on 5/20/07

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Lee , I'll say again the only time faith is called alone is where James said "faith without works is dead, being alone" You want your faith to be alone, and I don't because I don't want to have a dead faith! Paul gave an example of Abraham who was justifed by faith. Why was he justified? Because he obeyed in faith. He was obeying God and about to sacrifice His son. His faith was counted for righteousness, not what he did.
If he didn't have faith in God he wouldn't have obeyed.
---Matthew on 5/20/07

Lee: U r so blind 2c what EGW meant. She passed thru the door/Christ..John10:7,9 b4 she came 2first veil/baptism & communion...your insulting statement of EGW has blinded u stupidly u r making a fool of yourself..perhaps, God is aiming that stone at you brother since your ridiculously blind..If she has copied other works, so what, its nothing new..all authors do it to enhance their work..what is so wrong about that? u r sick man
---jana on 5/20/07

*I rather doubt if you can find any scripture that tell us that faith alone is insufficient!

James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
---Matthew on 5/20/07

As the Scripture say, 'it is thru faith that a righteous perons has life'. Romans 1:17 NLT

Yes and as Paul put it faith is shown through love. If you have no love you have no faith.

1 John 5:3
3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 14:12
This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.
---Matthew on 5/20/07

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Oh and true humility is only shown through obedience. Submitting our lives to the will of God saying "I repent of my sins. I choose to folow your will now and not my own fleshy will of sin." I choose to obey, obey and obey. Obedience God said shows you love Him. If we are fighting obedience then we DO NOT love God. The pride love to sin. The humble submit to the commandments of Christ.
---Matthew on 5/20/07

TS - "If you Love Me keep My Commandments"
How anyone can ignore that boggles the mind."

There are 600+ OT 'commandments', it really boggles the mind how some believe Christians are required to keep 'commandments' that were not imposed on the church; not in the New Covenant.

The problem lies with those that simply do not recognize the Old Covenant was declared obsolete, (Hebr. 13:8), being replaced by the ministry not of law on stone, but of the Spirit. 2 Cor. 3:7-9
---lee on 5/19/07

Yes "the remnant" and them only do all that Christ has commanded. how? they look to the one that did it "Christ Himself" their representative,their substitute,their satisfaction to God's law and justice, their propitiate; atonement for their sins. He did it all and gets all the glory. A believer benefits through HIM not because of their own volition
---steven_rem7000 on 5/19/07

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