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Biblical Eschatology

Which view of Biblical eschatology or end times do you believe in and why?

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Not sure what view many people have since they have become hard headed in their traditions of wishful thinking men and women. As far as I know the early church didn't teach an allegorical interpreation of prophetic scripture. They looked daily for His return to figure out the application of those last 7 years of the age and the "Sign of His comming" because Jesus was not given the info and just told them to watch just we should do. The problem lies with Oral interpretations of wishful thinkers.
---yochanon on 1/31/08


Bill-I think it's important we all clarify our beliefs by the complete counsel of the OT/NT. Studying takes time and many outsource their understanding to anyone etc. You bring up many interesting points. We all need to weigh Jesus's prophecys of His coming with serious thought and proper hermenutics. Someone's PHD in Denomnational thought should'nt scare Christians from studying and discussing the word to get proper exegisis of prophecy.
---yochanon on 1/31/08


Bill-Rev. 22:18-19 warns us not to add or take away. It will mean our right to the tree of life being taken away and curses of the Book. From this warning we need to really do some individual research into these things because of all the obstacles on our narrow path.

Dr Gavin Finley and Peral Todd have some interesting info on the subjects you mentioned. I'll keep the adoption in mind. Let's pray for our Persecuted church overseas that is setting a good example for us. Great is their reward...
---yochanon on 1/31/08


(4) God's wrath in the trib will be like a mother bear smacking and slashing hunting dogs while her cubs are safe under her tummy. All those wrath judgments "might" not make it quite so easy for enemies to persecute us. They may not let us buy or sell, but those killed by God's wrath judgments will leave behind houses, cars, food...for us??? And those who get saved can be their kids whom we adopt. It could be the **easiest*** time to live on this earth...for us who obey.
---Bill_bila5659 on 1/29/08


Hi, John . . . not pre-trib because there is no scripture which simply says anything like, "Jesus will come back before the great tribulation." And the arguments I've heard use scriptures which say nothing directly about this, plus these arguments indicate God can't control His wrath from hurting Christians in the trib. Plus, ones fear going through such persecution for Jesus, and so they want a convenient Rapture. Fear and insecurity can't interpret scripture right, John.
---Bill_bila5659 on 1/29/08




(2) We are told people will get saved during the trib. These will be newborn children of God, starting right in the great tribulation, John. If **they** can make it, serving Jesus in the trib., why can't we?

And if the trib lasts seven years, none of them will have more than seven years Christian experience. Won't they need our seasoned decades-matured pastors etc.? If they won't, why do we ? ? And why wouldn't we volunteer to be there for them, even if Jesus comes first...IF we love them ? ? ?
---Bill_bila5659 on 1/29/08


(3) Ones pre-trib quote, "For God did not appoint us to wrath," in
1 Thessalonians 5:9, saying this means we won't be here during the trib, because there will be all God's wrath judgments.
But King David in Psalm 91:7-8 shows us,

"A thousand may fall at your side,
And ten thousand at your right hand,
But it shall not come near you.
Only with your eyes shall you look,
And see the reward of the wicked."

Our Father in **His*** wrath has self-control (((o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 1/29/08


Frances, Zionists, Freemasons, and the One World Religion

1. Americas founders were mostly freemasons, so is America evil in its foundation?
. 2. Zionism, The nation of Israel was a fulfilling of biblical prophecy as understood by most.
3. The exact nature of the one word religion has not been fulfilled or even revealed

Someone has more interest and connections with conspiracy theories than essential biblical understanding..
---MikeM on 1/29/08


It will be over when it's over. See 1.Cor.15.27-28.
---InimicusStultitiae on 1/28/08


There are two (future) reserrections. One weh Jesus returns and the dead in Christ will rise first then the living to be caught up. The second reserrection comes after the thousand year reign of Christ in which the Book of Life opens to judge all the other people not raised at the first reserrection.
---Steveng on 1/27/08




Duane-Your right 1948 and the Diaspera Jews brought back home is key to prophecy. The finding of the book of Isaiah around the same timeframe was proof to them and us about Jesus Christ. Apologize for hitting the last post twice. Other than that Pauls letters 1 and 2 to Thessalonians warned that "the ressurection-rapture" had not taken place yet. This same false prophecy came up again in later Church history several times.
---yochanon on 1/26/08


This is more important than life, death & words for ego sake. We're talking about us being transformed in the future by Jesus Christ 'livng and dead' when He Returns, nothing else. Matthew 24, 1 Thess. 4 & 5 ,I Corinthains 15:51-57, Revelations. If your view is right, then your right. 50 YRS or not, If your view is wrong then please prepare now. I do not argue with anyone. I just tell them think about it and keep stregthening yourselves in the Holy Spirit. Thanks
---yochanon on 1/25/08


This is more important than life, death & words for ego sake. We're talking about us being transformed in the future by Jesus Christ 'livng and dead' when He Returns, nothing else. Matthew 24, 1 Thess. 4 & 5 ,I Corinthains 15:51-57, Revelations. If your view is right, then your right. 50 YRS or not, If your view is wrong then please prepare now. I do not argue with anyone. I just tell them think about it and keep stregthening yourselves in the Holy Spirit. Thanks
---yochanon on 1/25/08


Tommy-I am aware of the phases your doctrinal belief teaches and your view of the trumpets, OT saints, and judgement. It's all based on interpretation and how you veiw scriptures. I have been in this for a long time and heard many views with people teaching in confidence,then boom someone debates and pulls something new. When this thing happens we will all know that's for sure, as it appears to be starting. Stay safe in Christ.
---yochanon on 1/25/08


A lot of people use the Bible for their own political agendas. For example, Zionists, Freemasons, and the One World Religion that is coming. They think they will escape the consequences, but they are only interested in earthly things. The Bible is a spiritual book, not a roadmap for Israel.
---frances on 1/25/08


yochanon--You say there is only going to be one Resurrection? Then,we either missed it or you are wrong? What about Matthew 27:50-53 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom, and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent,And the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
---Tommy on 1/25/08


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Sounds to me like there has already been some part of a resurrection already.I agree there is only going to be one resurrection,however,I believe there is phases to the resurrection.Just as there is one basketball game,but 4 quarters.Even John in revealtion speaks twice of a "Come up Hither."Even Paul come to know things that was not revealed to the disciples.
---Tommy on 1/25/08


ANYONE who said that the day of the Lord is here PRIOR to Isreal Becoming a Nation(1948) again, CLEARLY DID'NT/DOES'NT UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURE...
My interpitations comes from 36 yrs. of searching the word of God, NOT, from ANY Man, PAST or Present...
I Believe the veiws of Daniel, Ezek., Isaiah, Malachi, Zeph., Matt., Johns Book of Revelation.YLBD
---Duane_M on 1/25/08


When Jesus Returns or "Comes", the "Taking away"-Ressurection happens on that Last Day and at the 7th Trumpet. Look at it for yourself in scripture. He will come as a thief to those that are drunk in sin like Noah's days.

Notice, no where does He or the writers of NT say, He'll make two ressurections or come two seperate times, but one Last Day. Many of us have been shell gamed until we see it for ourselves.
---yochanon on 1/25/08


yochanon-Paul taught the Rapture.IT is scriptural.The Last trump of 1 Cor. is not the trump of the 7th Angel of Rev. The Judgement seat of Christ is not the Great White Throne Judgement.The coming as a theif is not the same as the Coming in Power and great glory.There has already been the resurrection of the Old testament saints,just as there will be of the New Testament saints.Just as there will be a seperate one for the Lost.
---Tommy on 1/24/08


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1st Thing: The Rapture ISN'T a COMING, IT' A TAKING AWAY, It's The Rapture that will come upon the Earth Like a Theif in the Night, Just as the Flood Came upon the Earth in the days of Noah,EXCEPT, FOR THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING & CAN SEE IN WHAT SEASON THEY ARE LIVING IN!
2nd Thing:The whole WORLD that is left will see The Lord Coming in all his Glory, Because Darkness Shall cover the Earth & the Moon Shall not give her light unto man in those days! YLBD
---Duane_M on 1/24/08


The Post Tribulation view lines up with OT and NT views of 1 rapture, 1 last trumpet not Two second commings. I will not debate anyone, but we can clarify our beliefs, because if the pre-trib does not happen, your're gonna have a backlash like you never beleived with many falling away.

In the late 1700's a few Catholic scholars noted pre-trib rapture, later a 15 year old girl had some visions and John Darby and others preached this idea along with Schoefield commentary notes.
---yochanon on 1/23/08


Jimbo,I respectivley disagree.I believe in the rapture and I believe the Bible clearly teaches this.And I am more than willing to debate this with scripture if one so chooses.
---Tommy on 1/21/08


My biblical eschatology is the prewrath rapture of God not the false teaching of the pretribulation rapture. Christians are being taught that there is no tribulation for Christians when the scriptures state the opposite.
---Jimbo on 1/20/08


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Well - I don't mean to be rude - but that End Times Signs Bible Quiz was a little low brow.
As for the correct end-times view, I suggest someone read Michael Berossa'a "War in Heaven, 2026-2030". It's not long out. What a book.
---Frank on 4/14/07


John: "...then can you give some insight into this." No.
---Steveng on 3/26/07


Thomas, if it's not Christians then who is this written to.

Steve, if this is your specialty, then can you give some insight into this. Thanks.
---john on 3/26/07


Thomas, if it's not Christians then who is this written to.

Steve, if this is your specialty, then can you give some insight into this. Thanks.
---john on 3/26/07


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Even thought prophesy is my main reseearch, past fulfilled prophesy shows the authority of the Bible. Future prophesy shows of the things that will come. They are only signs of things to come that is certain to come. Our main purpose, though, is to spread the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and how to get there. That is the main purpose of Christians.
---Steveng on 3/25/07


Christians need to understand who was being addressed in various scriptures not just assume it's Christians.
---Thomas on 3/25/07


John, it would appear to me that most Christians don't understand the words Biblical eschatology which is the whole problem to begin with.
---Thomas on 3/25/07


Read the whole Bible of Revelation not just bits and pieces which could lead to confusion.
---Jimbo on 3/24/07


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I believe in the Bible for all my answers.
Read 2 Thessalonians 2:4
Revelation 4-18
Daniel 9:27
Daniel 12:1
Jermiah 30:7
Revelation 3:10 Judge for your self.
God Bless you.
---Lloyd on 3/24/07


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