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Evangelism By Playing Golf

Golf season is here and a pastor in our town wants to golf on Sundays instead of holding Sunday services. He says it's witnessing to the golfing crowd that will not come to church. What do you think?

Moderator - Tell him to do it after church.

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StrongAx, I think Rebecca D is right. Its not that the pastor is advocating playing golf for evangelism, its the fact that he wants to do away with church services. She's saying that if he is being called to evangelize on the golf course every weekend that's fine, but he'll no longer be a pastor if he gets rid of church. He'll just be a normal guy, and thus, not called to be a preacher (meaning pastor of a church, reverend, priest, etc)
---Todd1 on 6/12/08

Recreational pastors, in it for the buck.

They golf on Sundays instead of holding Sunday services. They rely on volunteers to cut the grass, clean the church, hold the potlucks, clean the kitchen, wash their car, paint their house, fix their plumbing, and rewire their house.

How do I know? My husband is a mule, he works harder than anyone I know. He has been asked to do all of those things while the lardy pastor ate another bucket of chicken at our house.
---lisa on 6/12/08

Recreational pastors, take away all of the bucks and that's where the rubber really meets the road.

You'll soon find out who's in it for the bucks and who's in it for the calling.
---lisa on 6/12/08

Recreational pastors, let the offerings dwindle and you'll soon see who hightails it out of town as fast as they can go.

Pastors who are called are not recreational, or lazy, they don't prey on good dispositions - on those like my husband, who are willing to do anything for someone in need.
---lisa on 6/12/08

Recreational pastors, the golfing kind...playing golf while everyone else is jumping through hoops.
Yes, we've been taken advantage of, a time or two or three or four...
---lisa on 6/12/08

Lisa - Why do you assume the negative? It seems you have the "gift" of criticism.

Yes, the pastor and associate pastor were out there sweating in the heat just like every body else.
---Gena on 6/12/08

StrongAxe, Because God would never tell anyone to play golf or hooky instead of being in church preaching to the Lost. How can a Pastor show good witness if he is playing golf on Sunday's instead of being in church preaching? Instead this man should wait until after church is over, then go play golf. Most people put God on hold just so they can do what they want to do.
---Rebecca_D on 6/12/08


If God has called YOU to preach, then you know what his calling is for YOU. If not, how can you know just how, exactly God's calling works, what SPECIFIC instructions he gives? (And even if he calls you to do something, how can you know what specific instructions he gives to somebody else?)

If he is playing golf to be lazy, that is one thing. But if he says he is doing it specifically as a witness, how do you know that God didn't call him to do that?
---StrongAxe on 6/11/08

SrongAxe: If God calls someone to preachPastor, he gives them a desire to preach. He doesn't call a person to preach then tell them to preach whenever they want to. If a Preacher/Pastor is playing golf or doing something else INSTEAD of preaching, then something is wrong with their walk with God. There is nothing wrong with playing golf or sports, but do it on your time, not God's time. If you have a job, you can't leave your job and go somewhere else.
---Rebecca_D on 6/11/08

Recreational pastors, in it for the buck.

Faith without action is dead, that was a good think to help the community - did the pastor help out as well?
If not, he's might be one of those lazy sorts that relies on volunteers to do his job for him.
Leaders do lead by example.
---lisa on 6/11/08

"God called us all to produce fruit, which is hard to do if we are full-time fruit inspectors.
---StrongAxe on 6/10/08"
Very well put.
---Nana on 6/10/08

I agree with the moderator, evangelism does not take away the need for church. But I'd sure like to take part in his revolutionary golf evangelism program, its right up my alley! (or fairway) :-)
---Todd1 on 6/10/08


Were you there when he was called? Did you hear God tell him to sit in front of a pulpit from 9-11AM every Sunday morning for the rest of his life?

It's likely his calling is to "Preach the Gospel" - leaving the details up to him. While doing so in church on Sunday is the "traditional" way, it isn't the only way. It is not our job to decide how others do theirs.

God called us all to produce fruit, which is hard to do if we are full-time fruit inspectors.
---StrongAxe on 6/10/08

This past Sunday an AOG church in my town did not have services in the church building. Instead everyone, even the kids were out serving the community by cutting grass, trimming hedges, washing windows, painting walls . . donating their services to those in need. It made the news. That is one way to show Jesus to others through service. Perhaps they also got to witness as they worked.
---Gena on 6/9/08

StrongAxe: Yes I'm righteously judging this man who claims to be a preacher, but too lazy to preach. I'm sorry I call like I see it. If a Preacher is playing golf or doing something else rather than preaching God's word on Sunday's, his priorities are not straight. Bottom line, when it comes to the things he wants to do, he isn't lazy, but when doing the work for the Lord, he is seems lazy and doesn't have a desire to preach. Chances are he isn't called by God.
---Rebecca_D on 6/9/08


"sounds like" means that you are judging him based on your own assessment of the situation. You don't know his situation nor his motivations. While he may very possibly be a lazy bum, that is an assessment that we are not sufficiently well informed to make (nor are we entitled to make it).

This is one reason why we are not to judge others - because we often don't have all the information, so we wouldn't be able to do it properly.
---StrongAxe on 6/9/08

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Sounds like he is to lazy to preach. Oh he'll be witnessing alright, making people think he isn't serious about God or being a Pastor. If I seen a Pastor playing golf or another sport on Sunday's instead of being in church, I'd think less of him and think that he thinks more of golf than God. The bible says do not let you good be spoken evil of. And if he does this, he will be talked about from the golfing crowd and the church members.
---Rebecca_D on 6/7/08

I remember a church we used to attend which no longer has a Sunday evening service because the pastor wanted to play golf on Sunday afternoons. Notice we don't attend that church anymore.
---Susie on 10/7/07

Steven; in the bible, God tells us that he gave some apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and some teachers. Eph 4:11. Philip went to city to city preaching God's word Acts 21:8, 8:4,40. Evangelists has neither authority of an apostle, gift of prophecy, nor the responsablity of a pastoral supervision over a portion of the flock. They were intinerant preachers. Notice in Acts 21:4, it is seperate gifts.
---Rebecca_D on 3/30/07

Rebecca: "Am I stepping on your toes with the truth? Because you seem offensive." On the contrary. I'm just trying to reason with you (and others) that you are judging a person. Is it really impossible for a person to be both an evangalist AND a pastor? Were in the Bible that says a person can't do both? If this pastor is true to God, how could you argue against God? If this pastor is not true to God, then God, and God only, will handle him on Judgement Day.
---Steveng on 3/29/07

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Steven: he has to be one or the other. An Evengelist can't look after sheep as a good shepherd can. Apparently God didn't call this man to Pastor a church because it seems he has no desire to hold church services, instead he'd rather play golf. I'm sorry Steven, if you don't like my honest opinion. Am I stepping on your toes with the truth? Because you seem offensive.
---Rebecca_D on 3/29/07

Steveng, a picture, illustration is worth a 1000 words.
There is a thin paper curtain between self righteousness and truth.
---Carly on 3/29/07

Rebecca: "Well then he needs to be an Evanglist and not a Pastor." There you go again telling God how to run his business. You cannot comprehend what God has in store for this pastor. Where in the Bible does it say you can't do both? I think you should worry more about growing your own vine/church than telling someone how to grow his.
---Steveng on 3/28/07

RebeccaD., you could be hitting the nail on the head.
He can bring them in and fill the house to overflowing. Now he wants to play golf.
He may be an evangelist and not a shepherd.
---IntheWoods on 3/28/07

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Well then he needs to be an Evanglist and not a Pastor.
---Rebecca_D on 3/27/07

Rebecca: No, I'm just a street preacher, but I've travelled throughout the Unitied States, setting foot in every state except Maine, NH, and Hawaii, for the past 32 years, and I've meet hundreds of preachers, pastors, and other Godly people doing what may seem strange in a weak Christian's eyes, but not in the eyes of God. I'm saying be careful how you judge, for you just may be judging God himself. If he is doing God's will, then you may be spreading false rumors. Let the congregation deal with it.
---Steveng on 3/27/07

Rebecca: "If he isn't good to speak in a group small or large, he is in the wrong business." Then you would accuse Moses for being in the wrong business for it is written that God chose Aaron, who was a good talker, to speak for Moses.
---Steveng on 3/27/07

Steven: Are you this pastor or are you just doing the same things as this Pasto but not a pastor?
---Rebecca_D on 3/27/07

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Steven: Well I'm sorry but I don't stay at home or go do something else when it is church time. If he isn't good to speak in a group small or large, he is in the wrong business. He is putting golf before God. because he isn't in church is he? If this is the case, he needs to be an Evanglist istead of a Pastor.
---Rebecca_D on 3/27/07

Rebecca: "...he is putting golf before God. And don't care to much for the people in the church." You are judging this pastor. Every Godly person in the Bible had delegated his authority to others. So why not this pastor? Take Moses. He delegated people to oversee thousands, hundreds and tens. Moses only took care of the most important issues. The Apostles delegate their responsibilites, too. This pastor probably saves more people on a golf course than most Christians in a lifetime.
---Steveng on 3/26/07

Rebecca and others: Besides, we don't know what is on the heart of this pastor. We don't know what God has him doing. It's only between God and the pastor. Allow God to do the judging, not you. What activities during the day allow you to bring the Kingdom of God and how to get there to others? Maybe this pastor is not good at speaking in front of large group. Maybe he is better suited one-on-one evangalizing. That's why he delegated this responsibility to a more experienced group speaker.
---Steveng on 3/26/07

Mark: "Why don't you get the church body together and suprise him on the golf course..." That's foolish. It shows that the one person who doubts the intentions of the pastor is causing a division among the congregation by spreading falsehoods. The Bible has a procedure on how to handle this situation. Do it the Bible way instead of spreading rumors over the internet.
---Steveng on 3/26/07

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Catherine, I wholeheartedly agree with you. However, here we are speaking of a pastor with a congregation to lead and an organization to head. He accepted this position as either a calling from Yahweh or as a mere job position...either way, he has made a commitment to do a certain work. Had he wanted a golfing ministry or been led toward one, he should never have taken on pastoral duties and should have headed straight for the course. What, now, are his non-golfing members expected to do?
---AlwaysOn on 3/26/07

Well, church is not,and I repeat is not, a building, it is the people of God.
---catherine on 3/26/07

If a Pastor traveled alot, he isn't a Pastor but an Evanglist, as was Paul. A Pastor is over one church. But if the Pastor is golfing instead of holding church services, he is putting golf before God. And don't care to much for the people in the church. This man needs to find his way back to his first love, cause apparently golf has taken the place of his first love, which should be God.
---Rebecca_D on 3/25/07

Just lil' ol' me again. May I make a suggestion? Why don't you get the church body together and suprise him on the golf course. Say at about the 3rd or 4th hole and help him with his witnessing. Sing a few old hymns and discuss the Word. If he sees the light maybe he will do right. If he acts embarrassed you will know what to do. Look for a new shepherd 'cuz if the leader of the flock isn't following the Son where is he going to lead the flock.
---MARK on 3/26/07

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I believe he's going to substitute Thursday or Friday evening. I guess that will leave the weekends free for recreation. I want to thank you for your responses.
He also said be prepared for casual golf shorts and hawaiian shirts. Loose as a goose - for anyone that golfs, you know the looser you are - the better you golf.
---IntheWoods on 3/25/07

I don't know if this is a mid-life crisis or he's becoming bored with church. The church is growing, young couples, children galore.
Good Bible studies.
Why would someone want to golf on Sunday mornings. He was emphatic when he announced it was evangelism, and it's time to hit the streets.
---IntheWoods on 3/25/07

And when does he plan on having church?
---AlwaysOn on 3/25/07

I hope you don't attend that church. If you do, leave it, or find a pastor who wants to be there feeding God's sheep.
---Betty on 3/25/07

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How would you like to HAVE to donate to the Pastors "Golf/Preaching" fund, with an optional tip jar?
---tim on 3/25/07

It's apparent that most Christians do not know the true meaning of the word church (hint: it's not a building) nor the true purpose of church leaders. What would you think if your pastor travelled a lot? Would you accuse Paul of traveling too much? What two things did Paul do while traveling? Your pastor knows that his congregation is "saved," so he's going out to preach to the unsaved. Anything wrong with that? He delegates his in-house teaching to another. Don't judge him.
---Steveng on 3/25/07

Besides, didn't Jesus interupt the daily chore of a women getting water from a well to teach about Living waters? To many unsporting people, golf might be a fun activity, but to many golfers, it's their livelihood. Or an activity to counter the stress in their daily lives and your pastor is going out to tell them about another stress-buster - Jesus.
---Steveng on 3/25/07

Not acceptable as an alternative to doing anything asked of him in the church.
But maybe he is entitld to some relaxation during the day? But a round of golf seems rather long and would probably interfere to the detriment of his pastoral work.
---alan_of_UK on 3/25/07

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there are some people who are pastors that God did not call to be pastors, obviously this man is one of them. He needs to quit and do something else for a living, because a pastors job is to feed his flock not worship the goddess of pleasure at the altar of golf.
---Richard on 3/25/07

Just make your checks out to "Brother Lee Love's Golf ministry". C/O Hawaii Golf Tours. Thank You.
---Brother_Lee_Love on 3/25/07

Sounds like a lazy Pastor making excuses for his lifestyle?
---Jimbo on 3/25/07

Sounds O. K. to me, with two considerations. 1) If he is that lax considering the primacy of preaching it might be good if he were not in front of the congregation during worship time. After all, the Great Commission includes teaching of the faithful. 2) I would hope the deacon board allows the golf course to pay his salary.
---ed on 3/24/07

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