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Willful Sinners Go To Hell

For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. Hebrews 10:26. Is this verse referring to backsliding, and then iminent Hell? With no more hope of Salvation?

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Gordon, by trying to correct Christan verses, all you did was make yourself look as if you could not read. Do you not understand the word "impossible?" For it is impossible if they fall away to renew them again to repentance" There is no possibility that a believer can fall and have to renew his salvation again. Why? One, because their is only one Atonement for each of us, Second, because our salvation is secured by Jesus Christ who sustains us to the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 1:7-9). plus- ( Jude 20-25 ).
---Mark_V. on 7/20/11


CRISTAN, You didn't finish the whole Verse from HEBREWS 6. WHY NOT? HEBREWS 6:4-6 says: "For it is IMPOSSIBLE for those who were ONCE ENLIGHTENED (revealed the Truth about Sin and Salvation), and have tasted of the Heavenly Gift (any soul-saving Blessing from Heaven), and were made PARTAKERS OF THE HOLY GHOST (filled with the Holy Spirit), And have tasted the Good Word of GOD (believed and lived out the Scriptures to some degree), and the Powers of the World to come (of Heaven), IF THEY SHALL FALL AWAY, to renew them again unto Repentance...!" You took HEBREWS 6:4 out of the rest of it's Context and you gave only HALF of the message, which completely distorted the TRUE Meaning.
---Gordon on 7/20/11


James, no the trees and fish are not born spiritually dead. God didn't mention them but did mention it to Adam, "But of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil you (Adam) shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it "You" shall surely die" In that very day he died just as God commanded it. Of course spiritually, since he lived 930 years. What God said to the serpent was, " Because you have done this, you (serpent) are cursed more that all cattle, and more than every beast of the field" That means that everything was cursed, but the serpent more then the cattel and every beast of the field.
---Mark_V. on 7/19/11


Depending on what you mean, the nation of Israel exists today as the people were drawn back to their own land in the 1940's I believe. ---aej on 7/18/11

Ask any of these in the country misnamed Israel today and they will tell you they are from Judah. A large portion would probably cannot prove this but, we the dumb sheep believe them anyway.

Judah was 1/13th of Israel. My goodness there is a lot of missing people known as Israel........ of the other 12.
Little ole Anti-Christ Judah is estimated around 17 million. With the majority of them in the USA.
Where-o-where are the True Lost Sheep? Please bleet,cause by sign/mark there is no one searching. Christ has failed his mission,according to the groping blind denoms.
---Trav on 7/18/11


The house of Israel refers to the people of Israel, the lost sheep of the nation of Israel in Matthew 15:24. Depending on what you mean, the nation of Israel exists today as the people were drawn back to their own land in the 1940's I believe. There also was the temple that was destroyed in 70 ad. The temple mount still exists today and it's know as the wailing wall. This foundation was built for the temple to sit on by King Solomon.
---aej on 7/18/11




Related scripture to topic:

John 14:21
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him. ...

John 15:6
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered, and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

What does abide mean?

John 15:10

If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Fathers commandments and abide in His love.

I think Christians should do their best to learn and follow the biblical commandments, especially the New Testament.
---aej on 7/18/11


David8318,

DESTROYED (apollumi - or various other forms) in no way means "dicinegrated".

Did you happen to know that Jesus was sent to the DESTROYED house of Isreal? -Matthew 15:24 (apololota) Why in the world would Jesus be sent to a house of Israel that had been so utterly destoyed that there was not even one shred of evidence that it ever existed?

Herod was seeking to DESTROY Jesus - Matt 2:13 (apolesai)

The disciples were in a boat, and thought a storm was going to DESTROY them - Matt 8:25 (apollumetha) Do you think they were going to cease to exist? Like a storm can just dicinegrate someone so that there isn't anything left? No bones or anything if you get caught in a storm?

Ludicrous
---James_L on 7/17/11


Gordon, Hebrews 6:4 says -

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost"

When the sinner is born of the Spirit by the will of God and becomes a Christian because of the grace and mercy of God through faith, it is impossible for him to loose his salvation.

And should someone fall away and go to hell, he was never to begin with loved by God and was never born of the Spirit. Can he pretend that he was born of the Spirit? Sure, before the eyes of man. But before God, "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his." 2 Timothy 2:19
---christan on 7/17/11


Gordon, God never forces anyone to come to Him, or love Him. He makes them willing to come and willing to love Him. Man with his so call free will, refuse to come to Christ. The wisdom of lost man is useless. For the message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing" 1 Cor. 1:18. those perishing are all the lost. But to believers it is the power of God. God says,
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent" Human wisdom always proofs to be unreliable and impermanent. God wisely established that man could not come to Him by human wisdom. That would exalt man. From the human side, salvation requires and comes only through faith (John 1:12, Rom. 10:8-17).
---Mark_V. on 7/17/11


JamesL, you ask- 'why the need for it to burn forever?'

It burns forever in that the destruction suffered is everlasting.

The Devil and the wicked are destroyed forever. The fire that is not 'quenched' and the maggot that 'never dies' is Jesus speaking hyperbole. Not that fire is never quenched or maggots do not die- but the effect of those destructive forces is what is everlasting. Their destruction is everlasting.

When the Devil is thrown into the fire 'prepared for him', along with the wicked, they experience complete destruction, eternal non-existence with no hope of return to any form of conscious existence.

'Fear... him that can DESTROY both soul and body in Gehenna.' Matt.10:28
---David8318 on 7/17/11




Matthew 7:21-24
New International Version

21 Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles? 23 Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!
---aej on 7/16/11


Christian, ROMANS 8:38,39 speaks of GOD's Love towards His people. It says nothing about Salvation itself. We still have free-will. We can still choose to turn away from GOD if we want. That's why those Verses in HEBREWS 6 and 10 exist. GOD forces His Will on no one. He wants us to freely choose to receive His Gift of Salvation. He wants us to freely love Him in return. Forcing us to be saved would also mean that EVERYONE would be saved, since the Bible says that GOD so loved the World...and that He is willing that none perish. But, of course, not everyone is saved, so....
---Gordon on 7/17/11


Does a Christian backslide? Of course. But can he through his backslide loose his salvation after he has been chosen by God to be His? Impossible.

Paul declares, "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38,39

Confirming Christ's teaching, "My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:29

The doctrine of "loosing salvation" smells of salvation by works rather than grace.
---christan on 7/16/11


Not the word quenched means to be put out. But a fire that goes out because of a lack of fuel is not quenced it just goes out. This passage by JESUS is quoting Isiah 66 and uses imagery from the trash fires of Gehenna.

I suggest you read Isiah 66 and see what it says.
---Samuel on 7/16/11


Read all of Romans 7 and 8. You can answer your question if you pay special attention to Romans 7:14-25. Even after we receive Christ, we are still dealing with a sinful nature. Bible also says that nothing can separate us from the love of God. The key here is continual repentance.
---jody on 7/16/11


David8318,
Sorry I forgot to put the numbers attached to your name.

My question related to Jesus saying that the fire is never quenched and the worm never dies. But it does not take forever to burn something into ashes.

Whether you believe the fire is literal or not, why the need for it to burn forever?

The judgment would be over in an instant. So the only reason it would need to burn forever is if God made sinners walk the plank one by one - literally or figuratively, whichever way you want to look at it is ok. Just answer
---James_L on 7/16/11


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Their are those who will hold fast to their doctrinal dogma and accuse you of arguing against scriptures while all the time disregarding scriptures themselves.

But the facts remain and will endure all the tricks of satan.

If you turn from God and return to practicing sin you have disconnected from God and become a hell bound sinner again.

Gloss it however you will, but God will judge ALL mens deeds.

Paul
---paul on 7/16/11


James, Romans 5:12 tells us'"Therefore as sin came into the world through one man (Adam v.14) and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned" Adam was our representative. We were cursed through Adam and are redeemed by Christ, although we were of course no more personally guilty of Adam's sin that we are personally meritorious because of Christ's righteousness. It is utterly absurd to hold to salvation through Christ unless we also hold to damnation through Adam, for Christianity is based on this representative principal.

---Mark_V. on 7/16/11


JamesL, is your comment of 7/15/11 directed to me or is there another David? I fail to see how your comment relates to mine.

Assuming you are, my post never mentioned 'fire'. Where does my comment lead you to conclude God resurrects people to then 'burn the person into a pile of ashes?'

Of course this is warped, and I have never claimed such a belief. I've always stated the burning of people is hideous and brutal, and not in God's nature- Jer.7:31.

The 'Lake of Fire' is not literal fire. Like 'Gehenna' it means eternal destruction. In that sense, the 'everlasting fire' prepared for the Devil means everlasting destruction- never to return- Mt.25:41. People on the 'broad and spacious' also experience 'destruction'- Mt.7:13.
---David8318 on 7/16/11


Bob and Mark V,

I don't disagree with spiritual death at all. What I disagree with is that people are BORN spiritually dead. The bible never says it.

As a matter of fact, Paul told in Romans 7:7-13 exactly when he died spiritually. It was when the Law came and sin came alive. Since we know that Paul wasn't alive when Moses received the Law a Sinai, he obviusly meant when the Law came to his understanding.

Romans 3:23 also says "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"

Where does it say we are born that way? It doesn't.

That's why we need to be born again. Sin entered the world when Adam sinned. Are you saying that trees and fish are born spiritually dead?
---James_L on 7/16/11


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James, I'm surprise you are now going to argue there is no spiritual death because I disagreed with your answer that knowledge never saved anyone.
And no, there is no passage which states "spiritual death". It's obvious all discendants of Adam are born spiritually dead, since the day Adam sinned he died, yet we know he lived 930 years. You are now arguing with the same question Nicodemus asked Jesus, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?" And Jesus answered "unless one is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit"
---Mark_V. on 7/16/11


James L, I completely agree with everlasting fire but was wondering why you disagreed with spiritual death. What do you think 'dead in trespasses and sin" mean? They are physcially alive, yet dead. What are they dead of? The people who are lost have a body and a soul, are you saying that the soul dies?
---Bob on 7/16/11


I'm finding those Verses in HEBREWS to mean that if you backslide, and you remain in sin, without repenting before the LORD, and without truly turning away from sin, and then, you DIE in that condition, then YES, you will go to Hell and be eternally damned. The BIBLE teaches about Hell and the Lake of Fire being places of Torment. YAHUSHUA warned in MARK and in REVELATION of the Darkness, the undying Worms, the unquenchable Fires, the Crying and Screaming in Hell. The Lake that burns everlastingly of Fire and Brimstone. It's Biblical. Not Hellenistic theory, as some suggest!
---Gordon on 7/16/11


David,

Why does the fire need to burn forever if it only takes 20 seconds to incinerate someone?

Is your "god" going to have sinners walk the plank and jump in one by one?

That's the only reason it would need to burn forever. Otherwise, "god" could just use a little lighter fluid to get it going, and a fire extinguisher when he's finished.

You talk about warped, why go through all the effort of resurrecting someone ony to burn the person into a pile of ashes?
---James_L on 7/15/11


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I agree Candice wih your comments on the other 'Lake of Fire' thread, and I like your analogy of the puppet. 'For with evil things God cannot... try anyone'- James 1:13.

Also in passing judgement on Adam, God said, 'For dust you are and to dust you will return'- Gen.3:19. No threat of eternal punishment in hell, just total destruction. A returning to the same non-existent state before his creation- 'dust'.

Jesus meant what he said at Matthew 7:13 when he used the word 'destruction'. When something is destroyed, it is gone forever. Not keeping people alive to suffer unimaginable torture.

As I've said before, the hellfire doctrine puts people off searching for God. This henious doctrine is a force for atheism today.
---David8318 on 7/15/11


Mark V,
There is not one verse of scripture that says anyone is born spiritually dead. If there is, put it in quotes. But you can't.

That's why you make the assertion and there are never any quotes.

As for knowing that there is a God who created everything, of course that's different from believing in Jesus.

But knowing that God is the Creator is not what scripture calls a knowledge of the truth. Believing in Jesus is the knwledge of the truth. Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." Knowledge of the truth in scripture is a knowledge of Jesus. And that saves forever.

It doesn't depend on whether or not we continue in the faith.

1Tim 2 says "if we are faithless, HE REMAINS FAITHFUL.
---James_L on 7/15/11


James 2: Rom. 1:21 "Knew God" man is conscious of God's existence, power, and dvine nature through general revelation (v. 19,20 ). "They did not glorify Him" Man's chief end is to glorify God ( Lev. 10:3, 1Cor. 16:24-29: Ps. 148, Rom. 15:5,6 ). What these passages really teaches is the reason why the wrath of God is upon them.
---Mark_V. on 7/15/11


James, your answer to Romans 1 is far off. Doesn't speak of spiritual death or spiritual life, never speaks of children. All descendants of Adam are born spiritually dead, the reason Jesus said, "you must be born again"
Knowing the Truth and believing by faith in that Truth are two distinct things. Many know the truth but are not saved. God has sovereignly planted evidence of His existence in the very nature of man by reason and moral law (1:20,21,28,32: 2:15).
The context was explained "because what was manifest in them, for God has shown it to them, for since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by that things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead"
---Mark_V. on 7/15/11


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Mark V,
You've taken Romans 1 out of context. That is speaking of the time when a person becomes responsible for his own sins. Notice it says over and over and over and over and over that they became futile, exchanged the truth for a lie, knew God but no longer acknowledge Him. That is speaking of changing from one state to a different state - Spiritually alive to spiritually dead. Paul also said that happens when the commandment came (to him).

A shild who is not spiritually dead has no need for saving truth - yet.

Paul also said that God desired all men to come to a knowledge of the truth. Peter said God desires all ment to come to repentance. So a knwledge of the truth is the same thing as repentance. That is saving faith.
---James_L on 7/14/11


James, you said,

"Knowing the truth is saving faith."

Knowing the truth and believing in the Truth by faith in Christ Jesus are two different things. As long as Christ is excluded from that faith, it is sin. For faith in Christ brings glory and honor to God. "Anything without faith is sin"
Romans 1:18-21 explains it very well why the wrath of God is upon them.
"Because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened"
---Mark_V. on 7/14/11


Hebrews 10 is talking about believers who go back to the Law.

I agree with MarkV that it speaks of those who konw the truth but don't make a genuine commitment,

BUT,

Knowing the truth is saving faith.

Making a commitment is grounds for rewards.

trying to blend the two amounts to a works justification, no two ways about it.

Works and commitment have not one thing to do with whether or not one is saved from hell.

Works are what save us from a negative judgement at the Bema (James 2:12-14)
---James_L on 7/13/11


Donna66, another thing to add to what is been taught is that those born of the Spirit never draw back to perdition. Only those who know the Truth and draw back. Never making a genuine commitment by faith in Christ Jesus, for we are told at the end of Hebrews 10, (v. 39)
"But "we" are not of those who draw back to pertition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul"
---Mark_V. on 7/13/11


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Just prior to this passage, the chapter is talking about the permanence of salvation.
BR 10:10-12 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God,


Obviously the verse in question (vs.26) refers to those who knew of the sacrifice for sin by Jesus Christ, but rejected it.
---Donna66 on 7/11/11


Harold, thank you brother for the explanation to Hebrew 10:26. Oh how some like to use that passage to teach that someone can lose their salvation.
What are they thinking?
How can a person be born of the Spirit one day, and not be born of the Spirit the next? Will they go back to been dead again?
How can they trust in a God who said you had eternal life, and turns around and tells you, you don't have it anymore. Eternal did not mean eternal. It meant temporary. Just nonesense. Then they say because of some works you did, you lost your salvation when you didn't get it by any works in the first place.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/11


The biblE list sins in two GROUPS:

1: Numbers 15:27 And if any soul SIN THROUGH IGNORANCE, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.

2: Numbers 15:30 But the soul that doeth ought PRESUMPTUOUSLY, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD, and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Psalms 19:13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins,

AND THE RESULTS ARE DIFFERENT FOR EACH KIND OF SIN
---Francis on 7/11/11


Hebrews 10:26 like most scriptures cannot be taken by itself and out of context.
First: salvation is from God who knows all things. Why would he give you or me salvaion if he knew we would only throw it away.
Second: salvation coming from an eternal God is also eternal.
Third: this verse refers to people that had a head knowledge but not a spiritual understanding and change.
Fourth: It teaches that IF it were possible to loose your salvation, even once, there would be no salvation for that person. Jesus was held to shame and death only once and we can only pertake of that work of grace only once.
---Harold on 7/11/11


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YES. Hebrews 10:26 does refer to backsliders. But, there is hope for backsliders to return to GOD. GOD is Merciful to hearts that are TRULY repentant. That is, those who truly will forsake sin, and walk in GOD's holy ways. The Prodigal Son, of Luke 15, is an example of that. But, this Grace and Mercy is not to be taken for granted. We are not to tempt GOD. We are not to premeditate sin thinking that GOD will forgive us later. that is mocking GOD. And, doing that, the Consequences will most likely not be waived away by GOD. i.e. GOD is not a game player when it comes to this sort of thing.
---Gordon on 7/10/11


If you start in the beginning of the chapter you can see the context. The focus is on Christ being our High Priest and the blood of the covenant he shed and our continued faith in him."Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering"--23. "Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised"--35,36.

So repentance still remains but if one doesn't they have treated Christs blood with neglect, and insult his work which sanctified them vs. 29. as Paul said, "how shall we who are dead to sin continue in it".
---willa5568 on 7/10/11


When a person knows that what is right to do, but does not care and does sin instead, then there is no salvation for them, for they have freely chosen sin over right, and freely chosen condemnation over salvation. There is no salvation for any sinner, but only for them who repent from all sin and choose to serve righteousness.
---Eloy on 7/10/11


Cynthia, a person cannot receive any forgiveness for their sin, nor be saved from condemnation, as long as they refuse to repent and continue on with their sins. The only thing that remains for the person whom delusionally thinks that God will wink at their sins, and accept them when they sin, is the fool: for God is not mocked, for whatsoever a persons sows, that will the person also reap. To whom you all yield yourselves servants to obey, his slaves you all are to whom you all obey, whether of sin onto death, or of obedience onto righteousness.
---Eloy on 7/10/11


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This indicates that we know it is wrong and have decided to ignore God and do what we want to do. The sinner puts his will above God's which shows his attitude and who he is really serving. There is no attempt to call his mind or body into subjection but rather a blatant disregard for God's will. Can such repent - YES. Church discipline (as outlined in the Bible) is a tool given to the Churches to 'redirect' the erring brother. This should be done when, where, and how God said to do it.
The scripture indicates that the sinner has 'left behind' or 'it is not with him' (remaineth no more) - the gift of Jesus. Having fallen from grace, the sinner needs to return or face judgement without the protection of the cross.
---BibleQuotes on 7/10/11


mima, alan: My apologies. I got it backwards. Reading too fast, I guess.
---jerry6593 on 2/17/10


Jerry Perhaps grammar and sentence structure, or maybe words themselves are different where you live, but as a UK reader, it seems to me that Mima has just said that he cannot join the list of those who have never wilfully sinned
---alan8566_of_uk on 2/14/10



No, Jerry I said " As for myself I can not make the list."
---mima on 2/13/10


The reason I cannot make the list is because I willfully sinned!!!
---mima on 2/14/10


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mima: Did you just say that you have never wilfully sinned?
---jerry6593 on 2/14/10


In order to more fully understand the line of demarcation that willful sin draws perhaps we should give those who have never willfully sinned the chance to identify themselves?

1_____________
2_____________
3_____________
4_____________
5_____________

Who wants to go first? As for myself I can not make the list. So what about you?
---mima on 2/13/10


Bob: I believe that you are correct. Salvation is not a done deal at the moment of accepting Jesus as Lord. That's just the beginning, and it is technically called justification. The daily Christian walk you describe is also known as sanctification, a growing up into Christ. But final salvation (or glorification) will not occur until we meet the Lord in the air at His second coming.
---jerry6593 on 2/13/10


Before I was saved I willfully sinned to satisfy my fleshly desires. After I was saved and received the Holy Spirit, when I sinned, the Holy Spirit would convict me of my righteousness, I would feel sorrow and repent of that sin. As I grew in the Lord the Holy Spirit helped me to overcome the faults and weaknesses of my flesh. A true child of God that walks in the power and fruits of the Holy Spirit will not willfully sin. Those who profess to be Christians and have not been born again are still in the flesh and willfully choose to sin. Paul explains in Romans Chapter 7 how the flesh wars against the Spirit. Our old nature (flesh) against our new nature (Holy Spirit).
---Bob on 2/10/10


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A willfull sinner, as defined in Hebrews 10, Numbers 15:30, and psalms 14, are people who know the Law of God, and choose to disobey or dosregard the Law of god.
---francis on 2/10/10


But how do you define a willful sinner? By what standard are they judged? The Bible says that sin is the transgression of the LAW, and that we are judged by the LAW of liberty. But many Christians believe that they are not under the LAW. Does that mean that they are free to sin with impugnity?
---jerry6593 on 2/10/10


I believe if we sin willfully, we will definitely go to hell. the book of hebrews is very clear about this.wonder why many christians choose to overlook this .
---zoba on 2/8/10


The misunderstanding of that whole passage is COMPLETELY misunderstood and VERY widespread in the traditional teachings of Christianity. It is not talking about the revocation of salvation (HEAVENS NO!!). What The Lord did on the cross was COMPLETLY sufficient that ALL, ALL humanity have salvation available to them...
Luke 3:6 "all flesh shall see the salvation of God."

That passage is EXPLAINING why the OLD covenant was insufficient.
---greg on 3/23/08


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Realistically, it's impossible not to sin against any of man's codes of conduct (dress codes, codes of etiquette, table manners,etc.). If you've ever cheated on a test (ultimately considered a victimless crime), you "sinned against heaven" (just like the prodigal son did, yet the dad had the authority to penalize or forgive).

The Israelites used to repeatedly seek forgiveness by going to the priests and performing rituals.
---greg on 3/23/08


The old system of forgiveness was insufficient to truly make anyone holy in their BEHAVIOR (the goal of the NEW covenant), MIND and heart (it did not offer/teach holiness of a person's spirit,...GODLINESS). We must learn to have a PRESENT heaven in our heart.

"walk by the SPIRIT" Galatians 5:16 and 25. We only read the introductory doctrine of Christ (Hebrews 6:1) and must move on to MATURITY in His SPIRIT.
---greg on 3/23/08


I think we should take a few more verses into consideration before we draw a conclusion. There is ample evidence that God is merciful as He expects us to forgive those who sin against us 70 times 7 a day. I'm sure He would even do better. The sin spoken of here would have to be a complete dinial or walking away from the Lord as indicated in Heb.6:4-6.
---john on 3/22/08


Satan cannot tempt a Believer except by God's permission. It is to help the believer to be stronger and more faithful and stay in prayer. Lets all true believer praise our Savior. His name above all names in heaven and on earth>>>JESUS CHRIST.+++
---catherine on 4/10/07


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Heb 6 was talking to jewish unbelievers that didnt believe in the sacrifice of Jesus, as they wanted to do animal sacrifices for sin.
---duane on 4/4/07


Will willfull sinners go to hell? In one word--YES.
---catherine on 4/3/07


*Heb.6:4-8 refers to the "Abuse of atonement", making Salvation of none effect. When a saved one chooses to sin, they are rejecting Salvation, and exploit God's grace in never ceasing from their constant sinning and asking for forgiveness. *

One of the best explanations I have seen for Heb 6.
---Matthew on 4/3/07


So hypothetically speaking, If someone is married to someone who abuses them, and they get divorced, then remarry a Christian, are they in ADULTERY? Then is there left no more sacrifice for sin? Should that person go to HELL for just wanting to have a Godly marriage after the divorce. just a question, whats your feelings.
---Cynthia_1 on 4/3/07


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The repobate mind lives in sin and constantly abuses God's grace. When a person sins they are not in Christ. Recall when God looked down from heaven to see if any one of the Israelites understood and if any one lived in righteousness? he said, No, not one. Why? because they said, first: he will always forgive us, we only need to offer him another sacrifice, so they made the appeasement of none effect. And second, they came to say: there is no God, let us eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we may die.
---Eloy on 4/2/07


Heb.6:4-8 refers to the "Abuse of atonement", making Salvation of none effect. When a saved one chooses to sin, they are rejecting Salvation, and exploit God's grace in never ceasing from their constant sinning and asking for forgiveness. But the true repentant realizes the awesome sacrifice which was paid for for the sin, and the forgiven one never desires for the Innocent One to be sacrificed again, and therefore refuses sin and does not sin, but instead in gratefulness remains faithful.
---Eloy on 4/2/07


Susie: I carried this burden/grudge for at least 17 years. A saved person can have a grudge against another person and not realize it, same with sinners. This is why Job asked God to search his heart to see if anything be hidden. I had a grudge against my dad because he remarried, shortly after my mom died. I had to swollow my pride and apoligize then I went and asked God to forgive me. I had to do this or God wouldn't have forgiven me. Mt 6:14-15.
---Rebecca_D on 4/3/07


It certainly does refer to anyone who walks away from Christ after being saved. God did not die on a cross for such foolishness. no. Hell is awaiting.
---catherine on 4/2/07


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I sin everyday, but I am still saved.
---Lynn on 4/2/07


Rebecca...Thanks. I see what you mean now. But, during those three years after you knew the truth, you must have suffered a lot. People who hold grudges don't hurt anyone expect themselves. The person you hold the grudge against doesn't usually even know how you feel. I thought you were talking about a born again person who was walking with the Lord in the first post.
---Susie on 3/27/07


Susie: I will use myself as an example. I had a grudge against two relatives. I carried this grudge for a long time. When I first came to Christ, I was a newborn still on milk. I didn't know that I had to forgive these people in order for God to forgive me from the grudge. To be honest, I didn't know it was a sin to hold a grudge against someone until I studied in the word. I didn't forgive them when I first came to this knowledge. It took me 3 years after I knew the truth to forgive them.
---Rebecca_D on 3/25/07


Rebecca...Would you give me an instance of something that is sin that might be committed where the person didn't know it is sin?
---Susie on 3/25/07


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Sin is NOT sin if its not willful...
Those who know to do good and do it not, to him it is sin... The only sin there is is willful sin. Sin of unbelief...
Who was the writer talking to in Hebrews?
Was it Jews who wanted to go back to there animal sacrifices? Instead of accepting the sacrifice of Christ?
---duane on 3/25/07


(Hebrews 10:26-30)
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.....29Of how much sorer punishment...shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing,...despite unto the Spirit of grace?
---Matthew on 3/25/07


Hi Its me edna8476:A volunteer. Salvation comes in once in a lifetime after you receive the Lord Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour.The time you will be sealed by the Holy Spirit.Believers commits sin and be forgiven according to Eph.1:9. Confess your sins and you are forgiven.
So a man willfully always commit sins there is a big question of his relationship to God.
Therefore hell is waiting for him.
---Edna on 3/25/07


If a Christian willfully sins, they will have to stand accountable for there sin at the day of judgement.

1Co3:11-15

15. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
---Rev_Herb on 3/25/07


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"For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth NO MORE SACRIFICT FOR SINS. Hebrews 10:26." This verse is referring to the fact that Jesus' sacrifice for sins is the only sacrifices that is acceptable. When a person sends willfully or unwillfully there is only one sacrifice. That person must return to Jesus Christ to ask for forgiveness.
---Mima on 3/25/07


if you know carbon monoxide is toxic, and you willfully enjoy it all the time, what the result will be?
---dsda on 3/24/07


If a person does something that is a sin, but doesn't know it is a sin, they won't be held accountable until they come to the knowledge that it is a sin. If they continue after knowing that it is a sin, they will be held accountable, and eventually backslide into sin. If they do not repent of that sin or sins, then yes they will go to hell.
---Rebecca_D on 3/24/07


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