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False Rapture Doctrine

I think the false rapture doctrine is not sound doctrine. I'm referring to the pre-trib rapture. The false rapture doctrine has only been around about 200 years. How can anyone believe such garbage?

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John Hagee A Great Bible Scholar. Teaches pre trib. A man used by More bible Colleges to teach, than anyone else. all different in doctrinal beliefs. Now Where have any of taught or got your doctrinal degrees from. Listen I believe in pre trib. but if by chance im wrong im prepared not to be bamboozled into taking the mark of the beast. I just have one question. Why do you want to go through the trib. If Theres a chance that the rapture could take place before the trib. As Many Great Qualified, successful men and women of God Are Teaching. Just a thought God Bless
---Allen on 8/4/09


You are right in challenging the "rapture," as it is generally taught.
How one believes it is complicated.
One may believe it, because they were taught it without any solid foundation.
Another reason people believe the pre-trib rapture is because of a belief system that one adopts, and then they understand the Bible based on that system. They interpret passages based on "extra Biblical" understanding.
End time speculation is just that, endless speculation that divides people. Our fellowship with Christ and with each other in Christ should be our unifying element.
---Rod on 8/5/09


The Rapture will be post trib. When Jesus sat and told the Disciples that he must go suffer and die, Peter responded No Lord. Jesus said get thee hence Satan for thou saverest not the things that be from God but men. American Christians don't want trials,conflict and certainly don't want to be here during the TRIB because that's not abundant life to them. Many won't be able so stand during the days ahead.We want to live in pleasure and bank on Jesus getting us out of here before it gets bad. SAD!
---Michael on 8/4/09


emtp
I agree the left behind series was great reading ...using some scripture weaving in their imaginations with a well known plot ...I do believe we live in end times except there is no biblical support that mankind who just believes on Christ will be whisked away escaping Gods Judgement ...but God will protect His people like He always does as described here in Matthew 24:15-17
---Rhonda on 2/21/08


Looks like we have a room full of the Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins Left Behind Book Club Crowd---Flawed theology/great fiction though.
---emtp on 2/21/08




Read this schripture in John 17: 15:

"My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one"

And concerning Mat 24 (end-times), have a look at this scripture to understand the context that Jesus is speaking in:

Mat 23:36 I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.

and again in

Mast 24: 34 I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
---Wilmotz on 2/20/08


Elder: While I respect your position, I cannot find a second rapture (one other than that of the 2nd coming/resurrection) in the verses of Rev that you provided. The subject of Rev 11 is the Two Witnesses (2W) - not the raptured saints. It seems to better fit a time prophecy when the 2W were banned during the 1260-year papal persecution, and for 3.5 years during the French Revolution. Got any others?
---jerry6593 on 5/6/07


Joshua, "apostasy" is a word assigned to those who are not Saved and have never been.
An apostate may know the Word of God and yet not know the God of the Word.
Apostates will not be in the Rapture but will be in the Great Tribulation.
OT Saints will not be in the Rapture either. It will be composed of NT Church Age Saints who are the Bride of Christ.
---Elder on 5/2/07


Yep I am here. I normally don't go to the second page to answer. If I see the issue is still on the first page it gets my attention. That is why you haven't heard from me.
Here is the reference in Rev 11:1-13. This is a Rapture or calling up of just two people.
The word "Rapture" is not there but neither is Internet.
For a time line, the Calling Up/Rapture of the Church is between Rev 3:22 and 4:1. Glad you noticed that.
---Elder on 5/2/07


Elder? Are you there?
---jerry6593 on 5/2/07




Elder, I'd like to see verses also.
I know at least three spots in Revelation that people claim is the rapture. I think you may have cited Rv.4:1 as the one you prefer? Do you think the great "apostasy" (which can also be translated "departure") is another reference to the rapture?
---joshua on 4/26/07


Elder: Could you please provide those scriptural references so that I might see what you are talking about?
---jerry6593 on 4/26/07


Elder: Ahhh yes, you prove my point by not being able to quote them in context. Thanks.
---TS on 4/25/07


Ahh..... TS, you have proved my point again.
Why don't you list the Bible references to your little statements then we shall see the context? You might even find your error.
You have again mingled the great catching away with the Second Coming.
---Elder on 4/25/07


Jerry, maybe you have only seen the rapture event spoke of in just one place. There are many places it is spoke of and we see the result of a catching away/rapture. One is seen in the Revelation also.
---Elder on 4/25/07


If one is a noisy public event, and the other is the quiet instantaneous embracing of His bride in the "twinking of an eye", aren't the two distinct events? One is love and the other is judgement.
---joshua on 4/24/07


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Elder: Scripture applied correctly.

Quiet "rapture", a lie.

"Every Eye Will See Him"
"As lightning flashes from east..."
"With the Sound of a Trumpet"
"With a Shout"
"With the voice of the Archangel"
"The Heavens departing like a scroll"
"A Great Earthquake"

"One taken, one left"...One taken alive the other left dead.
---TS on 4/24/07


Elder: Scripture only mentions "caught up" (the rapture) in one place - 1 Th 4:17. The context of 1 Th 4:13-18 is clearly the concurrent events of the second coming, the resurrection and the rapture. Nowhere in Scripture can I find a rapture event divorced from the second coming, or a clearly defined "separate" event as you state. Please explain.
---jerry6593 on 4/24/07


TS, again you misapply Scripture. The "Rapture" and the Second Coming, where every eye shall see, is two different events.
---Elder on 4/23/07


Every eye will see Him at His second coming. Are you asserting His second coming is the rapture?
---joshua on 4/23/07


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Joshua: "Every Eye will see Him." The 'Poof! Hey where did everybody go?' theology does not pass the test of Scripture.
---TS on 4/23/07


The "catching up" of the saints was in the scripture from the beginning. The hoax is in those who argue for a certain timing and build their ministries upon their own interpretations. Not even Jesus knew when, and clearly commanded you to "be ready" for whenever it happens. It will either be when it is quite unexpected, or else the timing is a variable. In any event, He said not to waste time quibbling over the timing. Just be ready!
---joshua on 4/19/07


ashley: Finally an Honest Christian! Yes, such is happening in every formerly protestant denomination. That is why God says "Come out of her My People!"

Keep testing against the Scriptures, pray for the HS and He "will lead you into all Truth." God bless.
---TS on 4/19/07


T.S. You were right and I was wrong. it was my belief that wesley, Knox, Luthor invented the rapture to deceive many and draw them to the Methodist, Baptist and Lutheren churches. I was not aware of the two Jesuits you mentioned as invoking a counter reformation against the other reformers. You see it today too. the anglican church is fighting over gay issues, even though it is evil and of Satan. The archbishop of canterbury has to decide, is it church doctrine now for or against the issue.
---ashley on 4/18/07


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Ashley: That is not true. The "Secret Rapture" Doctrine and the pre-trib doctrine came from two Catholic Jesusits in the Counter-reformation: Fracisco Ribera and Alcazar. They created the "Futurist" and "Preterist" interpretations of Dan 2,7,9. Luther and ALL the reformers taught "Historist" interpretation that identified Vatican as the Beast and Pope as the "son of perdition that sits in the house of God... exalting himself above all that is called God"
---TS on 4/18/07


Is this a loaded question? it is quite easy to believe in the pre trib rapture. why because it is easy to believe. who wants to suffer? Not many, and the pre trib rapture tells people that they won't suffer because when the worst is about to come you'll be taken out. it sounds great, but it also has negative points. the major point being the antisemitism. (We support Israel so 2/3's of the the Jews will die in Armageddon. Nice real nice)
---Jared on 4/17/07


The rapture was created by men to deceive many and lure them out of the clutches of the catholic church. Men like Luthor, Wesley, Knox all admitted they did not agree with catholic doctrines. They invented OSAS, rapture, etc, to win converts, not Jesus Christ. When Jesus returns, it will be once, not twice. Every eye shall know Him. that signals the first resurrection of the just and righteous. The wicked, including idolators, adulterers, lyers, etc have to wait until the second resurrection.
---ashley on 4/17/07


Rebecca: If you are saved eventually you will come back to the Earth. "I saw a new heavens and a new earth"...this is where the New Jerusalem will sit in Eden Restored. We will exit the city after fire cleanses it of sin..."They shall be ashes under our feet."
---TS on 4/17/07


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"Noone knows when the Great Tribulation is going to take place."

Here's when. It will be a brief period of time proceeding the second coming of Jesus. Therefore prior to His physical reign on earth. Ref. Mat. 24:21-31

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days...then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven. For as lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west: so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
---joseph on 4/6/07


A god who doesn't punish sin is no god at all.The dead in Christ will be raised at Christ's return and given an incorruptible body. Be watchful. Therefore let us not sleep as do others. The saved are the children of light-day. The unsaved- children of darkness. Christ died for His people. That whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
---catherine on 4/3/07


Jack where do we get our horses from at your U Turn event?
---Elder on 4/2/07


Jack; All you've done so far is just talk (type) your own beliefs, with no scripture. Once I leave earth, I don't want to come back here. READ Mt 24:1-51, Mk 13:1-37, Lk 17:24-37, 21:29-36, (specially verse 36) 1 Thess 4:16-18, 5:1-11 (specially vs 9). There will be some that remained on earth that will come out of the great tribulation. Rev 7:13-17. Where are your scriptures that says Christians will face the great tribulation?
---Rebecca_D on 4/2/07


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*Yes, WE do the U-turn in mid-air. Not Jesus.*

WRONG!!!
Its makes no sense to ascend into the clouds to meet Jesus, if we are going back down with Him. If He's already headed our way, why would we need to be caught up to meet Him? Revelation 19:7-16 describes the "marriage supper" of the Church, already in Heaven, coming with Jesus when he returns.

Read Revelation 3:10. But you said, "Don't listen to Jesus, Tell Him we want to stay. Its fun!".
---Ramon on 4/2/07


** First, the dead in Christ shall rise,( first resurection) and those who are alive will be caught up in the clouds. Second, the tribulation. **

WRONG!

The tribulation comes first, then when Christ descends--and NOT doing a U-turn in mid-air as rapturists put it--we are gathered up to meet Him to ESCORT Him back to earth.

Yes, WE do the U-turn in mid-air. Not Jesus.
---Jack on 4/2/07


God's People have always gone through the times of trouble and God shields them. They were shielded in the first great drought in Egypt, the Egyptian plagues, the fiery furnace etc..and they will be shielded as they go through the plagues that fall upon the wicked.

If you miss the plagues you have already died and are hidden in the grave like Job from God's wrath. If you pass through then you stand ready to meet the Savior in the air when He comes the Second time. The Bible teaches this.
---TS on 4/2/07


Listen to Pope Jack the infallable, and heart the voice of the ones who would sell out to the antichrist.
The Rapture pre-dates 200 years ago, there is a clear reference to it in The Pilgrims Progress.
Other webs havwe traced it back to Ireneaus and the ante-nicene fathers.
---mike8384 on 4/2/07


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First, the dead in Christ shall rise,( first resurection) and those who are alive will be caught up in the clouds. Second, the tribulation. Third, Christ returns to earth to rule 1000 yrs. Fourth Second resurection of the wicked. What part of the bible do you not understand? Apparently most.
---Rev_Herb on 4/2/07


Jack: do you just skim over other people's responses and just read the ones you want? Read my response and READ THE SCRIPTURES then, tell me why we all will be here during the great tribulation. Because with those little bit of scriptures, proves your wrong.
---Rebecca_D on 4/2/07


** I won't be here during the tribulation.**

Yes, you will.

There's no such thing as a pre-trib rapture.
---Jack on 4/1/07


I believe in pre-tribulation. Here is proof from God's word. Luke 17:24-37, 21:29-36, Thess 1:10, 5:1-11. I won't be here to see the great tribulation. those of you whom say we all will be here, your wrong. And I pray your eyes are opened.
---Rebecca_D on 4/2/07


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I am glade I don't have to stockpile food becaues I won't be here during the tribulation. The rest better be stockpiling.
---Rev_Herb on 4/1/07


.revHerb, "A" does not represent "6" in the Greek nor Hebrew alphabet, but it represents "1". But you've made a logical development.
---Eloy on 3/31/07

6 is the number of man (Rev 13:18). 8 is the number of Christ.
6 being the number of man, A=6 and add 6 to each letter thereafter B=12...
---Rev_Herb on 4/1/07


Personally I believe in Pre-Trib... but I plan on making sure I'm ready regardless of when the Lord wants to take me... by death, by rapture. Being ready is the most important thing.
---betty8468 on 4/1/07


Saying that pre trib rapturists will bow down to the Antichrist and take the number of the beast is just as ridiculous as us saying that you will miss the rapture because you're not looking for Jesus' coming like he told you to. Where do you people get this nonsense from? No one is going to heaven or hell because they believe in either one kind of rapture. No one is unrighteous because they don't have all their doctrines correct.
---john on 4/1/07


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The Great Tribulation is a definite period of suffering sent from God upon the earth to accomplish several purposes. According to premillennial eschatology it precedes the millennial reign of Christ. Post millennial theology places it at the end of the Thousand- year reign of Christ. Amillennial theology places it just before the new heavens and the new earth. We can stop guessing. Noone knows when the Great Tribulation is going to take place.
---catherine on 4/1/07


Ashley, you are absolutely right there...amen
---jana on 4/1/07


Two things will occur during the soon to come tribulation. One, weak Christians who believe in the pre-trib doctrine will be fooled into taking the mark believing that it isn't the mark of the beast because they were not raptured and, two, when the tribulation comes, Christians will be disappointed that they were not raptured causing the great falling away.
---Steveng on 3/31/07


It has been said that we as believers will go through a period of 2 years tribulation and if that is the doctrine in question will this period be pre the coming of Christ? Is this the tribulation explained in Acts/Rev? I don't know, I just remember the panic it caused and those preaching it mentioned Acts/Rev! but I never go by here say and never read up on it. I just remembered the scripture quoted, been caught up to meet Christ in the air.... I will study this now I have a little more time at home.
---Carla5754 on 3/31/07


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.revHerb, "A" does not represent "6" in the Greek nor Hebrew alphabet, but it represents "1". But you've made a logical development.
---Eloy on 3/31/07


** I am just glade I will go in the rapture**

There's no such thing as a pre-trib rapture, Herb.

Those looking for it will be among the first to fall down and worship Antichrist.

Jesus prayed, "I pray that You not take them out of this world, but keep them safe from the evil one."

The rapturist prays, "Don't listen to Jesus! Take me out of this world."
---Jack on 3/31/07


Its very probable that its not an exact 7 years, Gods time is not our time, he functions outside of our time...in fact what if we were in tribulation now
---mark on 3/31/07


Many verses are quoted dealing with the first resurrection. Jesus will descend from Heaven dressed in blood red to destroy the wicked. Rev.19:11-16. everyone is saved by doing nothing is false. many scriptures state clearly, judged by your works. condemned by your works. Faith without works is dead. Obey the commandments. That is what makes us disciples of Jesus Christ. We live our lives as an example of Him. The Savior said: "You are either with me or against me." There is no in between.
---ashley on 3/31/07


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Rev_Herb, Are you serious with all those number codes, what is that?
---Mrs._Morgan on 3/31/07


herb, is that the [english] glade, or the [french]glad-day!!! well on this issue I do agree,, and there may be something to that seven years you mention,,, prophets are saying there is a seven year grace period, but after that famines coming, stock up1!
---Cynthia_1 on 3/31/07


I am just glade I will go in the rapture and won't have to deal the the mark. I feel sorry for you who stay and miss the rapture. If you plan to miss the rapture, you better stockpile food to last for 7 yrs.
---Rev_Herb on 3/31/07


The rapture is coming, people believe it's coming at different times: some people think God will take them up off the earth before the tribulation, and some think he will take us during the tribulation, and some think he will take us up after the tribulation. The fact is it will happen, and we are suppose to be ready, in the Holy Spirit and without sin at all times, so when he does come we will be taken away from this world that will be struck by God's plagues.
---Eloy on 3/30/07


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The rapture is coming, people believe it's coming at different times: some people think God will take them up off the earth before the tribulation, and some think he will take us during the tribulation, and some think he will take us up after the tribulation. The fact is it will happen, and we are suppose to be ready, in the Holy Spirit and without sin at all times, so when he does come we will be taken away from this world that will be struck by God's plagues.
---Eloy on 3/30/07


One thing for certain, weak Christians living during the soon to come tribulation will need to build their skills in bartering. What marketable skills do you possess that you can trade for food and water for three and a half years? Strong Christians will solely rely on the intimate and trusting relationship they and God has formed, denying not the power of God.
---Steveng on 3/30/07


A=6,B=12,C=18,D=24,ect

C=18
O=90
M=78
P=96
U=126
T=120
E=30
R=108
_____
666
---Rev_Herb on 3/30/07


Helen: "All you need to do to understand the Rapture is look up the answers in the Scofield Reference Bible."

Remember, the Bible is not of one person's interpretation. The Scofield Reference Bible was first published in 1909 by one man, Cyrus I. Scofield. The whole book is a commentary promoting his theology including dispensationalism. Hal Lindsey used the SRB to write his books.

So, what book are you going to use as reference - the Bible or the SRB?
---Steveng on 3/30/07


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*In a Bible School directed by the Methodist minister Charles Parham, people laid hands on one another and prayed that the Holy Spirit might be given with the sign of speaking in tongues

According to your logic, tongues is a false doctrine*

Rev. Herb you got your facts mess up. Speaking in tongues is found in the Bible, the Book of Acts was written by A.D.63. Therefore, the Pentecostal Movement, wasn't created a new doctrine; there were following what the original Apostles and Jesus taught.
---Ramon on 3/30/07


Rev_Herb: I did not say that the rapture you describe would not happen. Obviously, Christ has not returned. I am referring to the dispensational doctrine of pre-trib rapture doctrine. I see computers as a possible answer for the mark but not an absolute answer. References to speaking in tongues are backed up by Scripture, so the Pentecostal Movement did not create a new doctrine. Your analogy is flawed.
---Peter on 3/30/07


john: If it is going to be considered a doctrine or main belief, it should be able to be traced back to early Christians who were close to the original writings. Since there are millions in white robes, are you saying people are being raptured continously throughout history? Therefore, pre-trib?
---Peter on 3/30/07


mike8384: Did those council create new doctrines or did they confirm or clearify existing doctrine? I think they confirmed or clarified things already stated in the Scripture.
---Peter on 3/30/07


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Silly!

All you need to do to understand the Rapture is look up the answers in the Scofield Reference Bible.

I did, and it is true!
---Helen on 3/30/07


**I guess that knocked down almost all of your teachings. Its that your "opinion" or a scholarly fact? **

I've said nothing that is my teaching, but was taught by the Church from the beginning.

Among these teachings is the Deity and consubstantiality of the Son with the Father, which predates the Council of Nicea. ARIUS was the one teaching the novelty.
---Jack on 3/30/07


If you can pin down, WHO, WHERE, and WHEN a doctrine was first taught, it's false.
---Jack on 3/29/07
The Pentecostal Movement [actually] began in Topeka, Kansas, on the first day of the year 1901. In a Bible School directed by the Methodist minister Charles Parham, people laid hands on one another and prayed that the Holy Spirit might be given with the sign of speaking in tongues

According to your logic, tongues is a false doctrine.
---Rev_Herb on 3/29/07


*If you can pin down, WHO, WHERE, and WHEN a doctrine was first taught, it's false.*

Really? I guess that knocked down almost all of your teachings. Its that your "opinion" or a scholarly fact? Or its this your desperate move, since you can't refute the doctrine? But since you have your "history" mess up (i.e., the origin of pre-trib), I can see how your came up with this outrageous statement. Since when did one determined the accuracy of a doctrine by its origin?
---Ramon on 3/29/07


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Really Jack, if |I can pinpoint the origin of a doctrine then it i false, well that wipes out all the Council Creeds, from Nicea 325AD through Chalcedon 451AD.
---mike8384 on 3/29/07


About 50 years ago, my mom read to me as a child from Rev. One thing stuck: you could not buy or sell without the mark of the beast. I did not understand how that could be since how could you be stopped if you had money? Not until the advance of the computer could I understand how this could be.
---Rev_Herb on 3/29/07


** Peter. Does something have to be around for a longer period of time than 200 years in order to be true?**

The pre-trib doctrine was first taught by Margaret MacDonald (popularized by Schofield), in Port Glasgow, Scotland, in 1800.

If you can pin down, WHO, WHERE, and WHEN a doctrine was first taught, it's false.
---Jack on 3/29/07


Peter. Does something have to be around for a longer period of time than 200 years in order to be true? I suspect that you've been around for a lot less so if we went by your doctrine you would have no credibility either. Pre trib. rapture has been around since day one and is very Scriptural as we see by the millions of redeemed people in white robes who were bought by the blood of the lamb before any trumpets are sounded or any vials are opened.
---john on 3/29/07


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You are correct Peter, Pre-Trib Rapture and the rest of the Dispensionalist teachings are False Doctrine.
---notlaw99 on 3/29/07


Peter, I understand why you could be upset about such a teaching if it were indeed found to be untrue, I would fight against it with all I had if I were willing to judge it either way, but I refuse to.

Just tell people Jesus is coming and get in their right mind that's our work as Christians.

I choose not to decide because I've seen good arguments for both sides. I do have a personal belief that it's real, but I am happy with any way God wants to swing his return.
---Pharisee on 3/28/07


1Th4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Peter, I didn't realize this was 200yrs ago.
---Rev_Herb on 3/28/07


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