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Obeying The Law Of God

Is obeying the law of God for Christians today?

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Jerry - *You argue against scripture. Do you also think that the religion of the Bible is a joke? I don't find anything funny about that.

What is really a joke is that you criticize others for their viewpoint,even accusing them of being Roman Catholic, while at the same time cannot even begin to defend your position from the point of Scripture.

True or false? Romans 7:6 But now we are released from the law (i.e. the Torah), having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.
---Lee1538 on 6/30/09


*Do you also think that the religion of the Bible is a joke?

There are those who would have you believe 'butter, eggs, & meat...are the very things that will excite childrens animal passions...' and that is clearly a joke coming from one that believes herself to be infallible in the teachings of the Bible.. And you must believe that if you are a true SDA.

Such teach against Scripture since Scripture plainly states "For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,..."1 Tim. 4:4
---Lee1538 on 6/30/09


Lee: You argue against scripture. Do you also think that the religion of the Bible is a joke? I don't find anything funny about that.
---jerry6593 on 6/30/09


Jerry -

1. Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

While Christians believe Christ, they are not under the law of Moses - the Torah.

2. Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

To establish the law simply means to accomplish the purpose for which it was given.

3. Mt. 5:18-19 does not mean Christ did not fulfill the law. You are really saying that Christians must live under the Old Covenant law since nothing was fulfilled.

And since you say Romans 7:6 is false, that makes your religion also a joke.
---Lee1538 on 6/29/09


Lee: "Yocha - I am beginning to wonder if your religion is simply a big joke."

Now that is the kind of ugly remark that gets these blogs shut down!

True or false -

Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Mat 5:18,19 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
---jerry6593 on 6/28/09




Obeying the laws of God are for today. God and His Word are the same yesterday, today, and FOREVER, they do NOT change. Jesus fulfilled the law, He did NOT do away with it. The N.T. is added onto the O.T., it does NOT void out the O.T. Anyone who teaches differently, teaches FALSE doctrine. Jesus said if you love me, you will obey what I command (John 14:15). God said you belong to me if you obey my commands (1 John 2:3-6). This means that if we do NOT obey the laws of God, we do NOT love Him, and we are NOT His (but of the devil).
---Leslie on 6/27/09


The basic laws define Christianity. You cannot be Christian without love and forgiveness.
Just remember God is love, all else stems from that.
---Jan on 6/27/09


Yocha - I am beginning to wonder if your religion is simply a big joke.

True or false -

Ro 7:6 But now we are released from the law (the Torah), having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.

Torah n.1. five books of Moses: the Jewish Pentateuch, or a parchment scroll on which the Pentateuch is written for use in services in synagogues

2. Jewish scripture: the collective body of Jewish teaching embodied in the Hebrew Bible and the Talmud
---Lee1538 on 6/26/09


Yocha - *Lee and Micheal- Labeling the words of God "Jewish" and Old Covenant as if it had a negative human tradition is the whole issue.

What is truly negative is that some reject part of the Word of God in believing Christians must follow those laws and customs that are strictly Jewish in nature. In effect, the word of God found in Acts 15 regarding what was required of Gentile converts is ignored.
---Lee1538 on 6/26/09


Lee and Micheal- Labeling the words of God "Jewish" and Old Covenant as if it had a negative human tradition is the whole issue. This is God's word and character, not contrieved traditions of men. "All of scripture" is useful 2 Tim 3:16, not just the Apostolic letters. The New Covenant letters "explain" the the TANKH.

Yahushua(Jesus) taught the true heart of the Law and it was not done away with. The Laws of God are the Laws of the kingdom.

The DVD series "God's Law and Society" makes some really good points for Christians and Jews alike.
---Yochanan on 6/26/09




Mark - *We need no training in the Torah. Perhaps you need training in the New Covenant. You seem to want to operate in the old.

There seems to be two prominent and very convoluted beliefs held by these people.

One being that whoever believes in Christ automaticially become Jewish and must follow Jewish law, the Torah.

The second, and related, is that they really refuse to differenitate between the Old and New Covenant. They ignore Hebrews 13:8 that the Old covenant waxed old and became obsolete, and that Jesus became the mediator of a better covenant (8:6, 12:24).

They really do not understand salvation by grace at all or the ministry of the Spirit (2 Cor. 3:14f), the veil remains!
---Lee1538 on 6/25/09


Yes,not all Laws where nailed to the cross.To say that the Ten Commandments are nailed to the cross is wrong.Sin is breaking the Law.If there is no law then there is now sin.We are saved by grace but the the big ten are for our best.I'll give u more later,got to go.
---daniel on 6/25/09


*the early church had to dead with us pesky Christians who kept the Seventh day Holy.

The earliest church was all Jewish in composition and continue in the customs & law of Moses. However, because of the various Jewish rebellions(70 A.d,135 A.d.), Hebrew Christianity became extinct with the leadership passing to Gentile Christians (the Story of Christianity by Gonzalez)

Gentile Christians from the decisions of the Jerusalem council (Acts 15)were not obligated to observe the 7th day or any day as holy. So by the end of the 1st century, the Jewish sabbath was no longer observed, being replaced by the Christian sabbath - Sunday the Lord's day proclaimed by all the early church writers.



---Lee1538 on 6/25/09


1/2 This is my belief: Jesus summed up the whole OT in 2 commandments. The OT commandments were of the flesh (do's and don'ts). The NT commandments are of the Spirit (love). There is no way you could break an OT commandment without breaking the NT commandments, but, where the OT showed a person his sin, the NT commandments show OTHERS the righteosness of Christ in them. where the OT laws were lacking, the NT commandments enveloped all the His Spirit,
---MIchael on 6/25/09


2/2 For God is Love and Love is the fulfillment of the law. This is brought to us both Jew and Gentile, No more do we have to be brought under the law of sin, whereas we follow the law of the Spirit in Love. I apologize if my post sounded anti-semetic. We all share the same faith in God through our Savior Jesus Christ. There is no reason to have Gentiles follow the old Jewish laws if there is a better covenant through Christ.
There is also no reason for Jews to follow them if we are all united under Christ. I appreciate your feelings on this matter and do enjoy finding truth, May God bless us as we endeavor to do so.
---MIchael on 6/25/09


Yes MIchael on 6/25/09 the early church had to dead with us pesky Christians who kept the Seventh day Holy.

But many Christians came to the point that if you did not keep the first day holy they would put you jail or execute you.

The question here is also wrong. The New Testament says to obey the law. What the arguement is what is the law. Is it the Moral laws of the Old Testament and just nine of the Ten Commandments or is it all of the Ten commandments and all the Moral laws and principals of the Old Testament?

Along with this is what is the relationship of the new to the old covenants. Then what is the churcch's relationghip to all scripture?
---Samuel on 6/25/09


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Lee-I must agree only in the point that I first and foremost promote the Holy Spirit as the guide in all things written and unwritten just like the first century.

Micheal:
Can you clarify your comment against Judaism? The quote sounds anti-semtic. If you mean that a Pharasee following their man-made traditions cannot understand Yahushua(Jesus)..you may be right. If you mean Jews like Peter, Paul, 1st century Jewish beleivers and many today..you and the guy that your quoting are wrong. The Way, Netzrim,Sect of the Nazerene was seen as just another Jewish sect according to the Acts.

On the contrary, pagan philosophy and spirituality contaminated the original faith.
---Yochanan on 6/25/09


Mark-Perhaps you need training in Understanding what Torah means and how it releates to New Covenant: it means instructions or guidelines, not just the 1st five books of the Bible or Law. It comes from the Hebrew root word Yara and infers to shoot straight, the opposite of sin- to miss the mark.

Law is not a very good translation of the word into greek. This is why so much confusion and rebellion in it's use.

The TANKH-Law, Prophets, and wisdom writings. Brit Chadasha means New or Renewed Covenant.

In essense, the TANKH & Brit Chadasha work as one eternal document showing the progessive covenants to Atonement and Faith in Mashiach(Christ). Jesus is the summation or goal of the Law. He taught it correctly.
---Yochanan on 6/25/09


Gen. 26:5 ...your offspring... shall be blessed because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

It is clear Abrahams obedience was an obedience of faith to the specific commands of God given to him and not to any 10 commandments given some 450 years later.

There are numerous NT text which show that Abrahams promises & blessing were not based on law or law keeping but only on faith.

Thus to argue Gen. 26:4-5 implies Abraham kept the Sabbath is a direct contradiction to the clear statements of Scripture. Consider Romans 4:13 'for the promise to Abraham or to his descendents he would be heir of the world was not thru the law, but thru the righteousness of faith'.

---lee on 6/25/09


*The Non-Protestant Book of Jubilees 4:18 says Enoch knew about the Sabbath

The Apocyrphal Book of Jubilees was the creation of Jewish rabbis around the 2d century BC and during a time when the religious establishment glorified the keeping of the Sabbath.

Of course, they knew something about the Sabbath.

And there were many legends about Enoch.
---Lee1538 on 6/25/09


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It is absurd to speak of Jesus Christ with the tongue, and to cherish in the mind a Judaism which has now come to an end. For where there is Christianity there cannot be Judaism. For Christ is one, in whom every nation that believes, and every tongue that confesses, is gathered unto God.-Ignatius(AD30-107), to the Magnesians ch X
The new law requires you to keep perpetual sabbath, and you, because you are idle for one day, suppose you are pious, not discerning why this has been commanded you---but in Him in whom you also have trusted, the God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob. But we do not trust through Moses or through the law, for then we would do the same as yourselves(Jews). -Justin, Trypho ch XI, XII
---MIchael on 6/25/09


Lee -You think Isreal only observed the sabbath.

What would your view be on Genesis 26:5?

*Many read this as Abraham kept the Edenic Covenant Laws passed from Adam and Noah refering to Sabbath.

The Non-Protestant Book of Jubilees 4:18 says Enoch knew about the Sabbath.

Ceremony and Moral laws can be defined as "obediance" to "what Elohim said" in how to love Him.
Yahushua said, if you love me keep my commandments. He did write,give and interpret the Law.

The Sabbath was like a ring to show relationship and rest just as the Millenium will be for us.

Matthew 7:23 shows people judged for lawlessness...not following His laws. they did not have the Holy Spirit.
---Yochanan on 6/24/09


*So why don't you throw away your bible if you only need the Holy Spirit?

The Bible contains the words of God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness.(2 Tim. 3:16), as well as a tool for personal witnessing to those who are in need.

It is that authority that those who are Christians or those that merely believe in the existence of God, may recognize.

Scripture does, however, tell us that we may walk in the power of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:1-4, Gal.5:16,25) and the Spirit uses the Bible to teach us His truths. Romans 8:1-4.

Think about it, most of the early Christians could not read or write, but they knew Jesus as they were born again in Him.
---Lee1538 on 6/24/09


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Much of the Lawless grace jargon and use of prooftexting bias against Law comes from Marcian the Heritic 84-160 who coined the term "Old Testement". They usually overplay not following biblical principles to follow a spirit that has no connection to Covenants. However open to pagan cultural laws..

The Laws of the covenents are in the Kingdom now and future. It also reflects prophecy unfullfilled. Matthew 5 chapter EXPLAIN NO DOING away with Law until heavan and earth is gone. "Heavan and earth are still here!

The Law being a school master does not mean it was an abusive caretaker. Galations letter was against the Pharasee "works of the Law" salvation doctrinal view -not found in the LAW!
---Yochanan on 6/24/09


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So why don't you throw away your bible if you only need the Holy Spirit?
---Yochanan on 6/24/09

You have neglected to read the book of John. Jesus is the true WORD of God, not the Torah or the Tanakh. His words bring life everlasting. The Torah only brought death and condemnation. John 3:18 says "He who believes in Him is not judged, he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God". We will not be judged by the Torah!

We need no training in the Torah. Perhaps you need training in the New Covenant. You seem to want to operate in the old.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/24/09


So why don't you throw away your bible if you only need the Holy Spirit?

The Holy Spirit is the character and nature of God, just like His Torah (Holy Instructions). Certainly, He will not turn away from His own words called scripture...they work together/not against each other. If you don't need the scriptures..why do we read and use them to live by and prove JESUS(Yahushua).

2 Timothy 3:16-17. Study to show yourself approved...the "scriptures" up to that point in time were the TANKH, NOT PAUL'S letters....His letters are just midrashes to clear up doctrinal issues based on Law. No doubt Christ's Atonement is the only Way!It was legally done by "Sinai and Moab" Covenant LAWs.
---Yochanan on 6/24/09


Samuel - You were asked if it is a sin not to observe any law not mandated in the New Covenant of the church and you replied that the 2d commandment regarding images is not in the New Testament.

Not true at all, as all the Decalogue is to be found as commands in the NT except the Sabbath commandment.

The 2d commandment is found at least 12 times in the NT. 'Thou shalt not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above...' For instance,

1 John 5:21 Dear children keep yourself from idols.

the 4th commandment, otoh, is a ceremonial law, not a moral law as it is the sign of the Sinaitic covenant (Ex. 31:17) and was only observed by Israel alone and that not before the time of Moses.
---Lee1538 on 6/24/09


Gal. 4:24-26 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

While the law certainly points out what sin is, its purpose is to bring us to Christ.

Once that has been accomplished, what further need does the Christian have for the law if he is placed in Christ? That person then becomes the object of the indwelling Spirit of Christ and is to walk by faith. (see also Romans 1:17)

Of course, those that lack the indwelling Spirit do not belong to Him but are yet children of wrath. Rom. 8:9
---Lee1538 on 6/24/09


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Just another eternal student of written and Ruach Torah....we all are still growing in the edification of Yahushua's Body...We have not arrived Yet..still on the journey home.

Yetzer Tov Wayne.
---Yochanan on 6/23/09


---Yochanan- I love your posts, you have a wisdom which most here do not. Thank you for your posts. You mention a Shema life style, I say Amen to you for that!!!!!
---wayne on 6/23/09


I think it is important for many Christians to get familiarization training in what the Law is and what is not. There is the Oral tradition view and the written Law itself.

Churchs keep a majority of the laws already..yet leave out those that were "stigmatized by Constanine's mixed Pagan Bishop councils". We have an ale-cart Christian culture today as a result.

The church system created even more laws and took out those did not match pagan culture even until today.

Obviously, "Shema"-living faith in action shows hear and do as obediance for beleivers. Our Lord and Savior wants us to do our faith in Love not just confess and hear it.

Has anyone ever seen "God's Law and Society" video?
---Yochanan on 6/23/09


duane: "Only rebels need the law." So, you are not subject to the Law, eh. What kind of mind is that?

Rom 8:7 Because the CARNAL mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
---jerry6593 on 6/23/09


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I believe that it is correct to conclude that whenever the issue of the Ten Commandments arises that the notion and the work of Grace must be considered.

The recognition and the acceptance of the Grace of God raise the Believer above the law of commandments. Yet, the Believer is NOT lawless, he/she is transformed into the New Creature who lives his/her life in a better way than the law demands
---Janze on 6/22/09


Those that advocate obedience to the OT law are still burdened by their sinfulness and have yet entered into the rest of God as promised by those who would believe.

Heb 4:1 Lee1538

But I have entered into that promise and rest on the Sabbath showing no works can save me. I also rest in the knowledge that I am saved by JESUS.

It sounds like you are saying that for Christians there is no more sin so christians cannot sin for there is no such thing as sin anymore.

Is that what you really mean?
---Samuel on 6/22/09


*Christians are followers of Christ. Jesus kept the Ten Commandments.

While it is true that Jesus kept the 10 commandments and all the laws of Moses as well, we must acknowledge that "when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,
to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons". Gal. 4:4-5

Those that advocate obedience to the OT law are still burdened by their sinfulness and have yet entered into the rest of God as promised by those who would believe.

Heb 4:1 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it.
---Lee1538 on 6/20/09


We need to die to the law so we can live to God. We need to die to what kills us(the law).
Those that are led by the Spirit are the sons of God.
---duane on 6/20/09


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Only rebels need the law. We who are righteous serve in love. We have the law written in our hearts.
Do you love Him? OR do you still need law to control yourself
---duane on 6/20/09


Notice Jesus continues to explain the spirit of the law-Rom 7:6-as opposed to the letter. Mat 5:22a, 28a, 32a, 34a, 39a, 44a-'but I say unto you'. The new covenant went into effect at His death-John 19:30, Heb 9:14-17-in which the spirit of the law is observed-Mat 22:37-40, Rom 13:8-10, Gal 5:13-26, Jam 2:8. Noone is telling anyone to break the commandments, for if we broke any of the old commandments, which we are not under, we also would break the new commandments of the spirit. But to worship God in spirit and in truth, shouldn't we also obey in spirit and in truth? There is a better way. John 14:6, 1Cor 12:31, John 3:16, Rom 8:1-4. Jesus was still under the old covenant and, hallelujah, He did what no other human could do, fulfilled the law.
---MIchael on 6/20/09


Christians are followers of Christ. Jesus kept the Ten Commandments. He also said:

Mat 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Would you rather Jesus call you least or great?
---jerry6593 on 6/20/09


Jesus did what no mere man could do, He obeyed the spirit of the commandments, thus fulfilling the heavenly requirement. No other human has or ever will be able to do this.
On the cross, when He said 'It is finished', it signified the start of the new covenant. All the old commandments were given to Israel as a sign of the flesh not being able to live up to God's standards.
Christ summed up the whole OT in 2 commandments, of which were spiritual. A person guided by the Holy Spirit should know how to love without a list of do's and dont's.
Jn 3:16, Mt 22:37-40, Rm 13:8-10, Jn 19:30, Hb 9:14-17, Ez 20:10-12, 18-20, Rm 7:6, Heb 8:13, 2Co 5:17, Pr 10:12, Rm 3:20-23, Rm 5:12, Rm 3:10, Ps 53:2-3, Jm 2:8, Ga 5:13-26
---MIchael on 6/20/09


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Chaos reigns anywhere there is no law. the practice of love must be carried out within the universal framework of the law of love and liberty - the 10 commandments. anything beyond those very expansive guidelines is sin.
---Elijah on 6/19/09


This is truth! This is why I laugh a so called christians, they who say they believe. Even the demons believe and tremble. Christians are lawless, and Yeshua will tell them He never knew them. But they dont care, as long as they can live the way they want, and feel good about it.
---wayne on 6/19/09


Chaos reigns anywhere there is no law. the practice of love must be carried out within the universal framework of the law of love and liberty - the 10 commandments. anything beyond those very expansive guidelines is sin.
---Elijah on 6/19/09


where there is love, there is no need for law.
---duane on 6/18/09


For the Christian, the Law of Christ (1 Cor. 9:21, Gal. 6:2), encompasses all moral attributes of the law that must be obeyed.
lee

I agree. But there is a small Problem To not follow other gods, not use Graven Images in worship, Not take the name of GOD in vain. Some consider these ceremonial and not moral.

The commandments on no Graven images is not repeated in the New Testament so is it okay to bow down before statues in our churches? Early church leaders thought it was okay.
---Samuel on 6/18/09


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God's law is heaven's eternal code of conduct which stands fast forever PS 111:7-8
Also we are not under the law, it does not give us liberty to break God's law. Rom: 6:15.
Sin is defined as breaking God's law. 1Jn3,4
When we are saved by faith we desire to keep God' law. Rom,3:28-31.
Jesus told us:"If you love me, keep my commandments." and He also said:"He that keepest not the law is a liar and the truth is not in him" and the outcome of liars is not anything to be pursued!
---Pierr5358 on 6/17/09


Very well put, Rita!
---djconklin on 9/16/07


Hello.I say yes,obeying God`s law still is for christian`s today,but loving God with your whole heart,soul and spirit is the first and foremost commandment and then comes loving your neighbor.Love is the greatest of all commandments.Jesus shed His blood on the cross for you and me to pay for all our sins`so we don`t have to sacrifice,only follow God and look to jesus for everything.
---Rita on 9/16/07


Jesus said Love God with all your heart, soul, body and mind. And Love others as you love yourself. He said this when he was asked about the laws of God in the New Testament. Luke 10:28-31
---Lloyd on 9/16/07


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Absolutely. God's Law, not all the elements of Mosaic covenant. And not only the letter, but especially the spirit of the law. The OT Law said that Thou shalt not commit adultery, but Jesus said that even to contemplate adultery was the same as committing it physically. The old law was for children in their theological infancy. God's Law is for the mature Christian who is beyond the letter of the law.
---lorra8574 on 4/8/07


For it is written, "Man was not made for the SABBATH. "The Sabbath was made for man." So what does that scripture say to you. Don't do whatever you please on that day. Keep it Holy and Rest. If you are truly born-again, I hope that you don't believe you can really get away with disobeying God. And for all of you unbelievers, well now, you do not have to please God.
---catherine on 4/8/07


Lee, which law should we keep? All of them! Which of the 10 Commandments did Jesus say is not for Christians? Ja 2:10

Before you go parsing God's holy law, remember the Law of Christ IS God's Law-Lk 24:27, Is 8:20, Lk 10:26-28.
---Geoff on 4/8/07


greetings.The royal law or the golden rule is a duty that is forever.At no time will self intrests and gratification for the self serve the Father's purpose.It is his will that our continuing life hinges upon.That his will be done is truly golden and royal.
---earl on 4/8/07


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Ofcouse we are not criminals, Although Paul was treated as though He was one. Power is given to men to do good with not to do evil with. All men in authority listen up. You will be held accountable by God with what and how you use your power and authority. You job is to protect God's people. When man's laws are contrary to God's laws we are to obey God. Here is another scripture. Don't think for a moment you are trampling upon my people for you are not you are trampling upon God Himself.
---catherine on 4/8/07


I think in order to answer the question posted - 'is obeying the law of God for Christians today?' some qualifications should be stated.

What, for instance, is 'the law' here? OT ceremonial laws, OT civic laws.

For the Christian, the Law of Christ (1 Cor. 9:21, Gal. 6:2), encompasses all moral attributes of the law that must be obeyed.
---lee on 4/7/07


If by obeying the Law as in the Law in the Old Covenant, then no we are free from that. We do have to obey Jesus and do His commandments.
---Helen_5378 on 4/7/07


God has said,I set before you life or death CHOOSE.we must choose to obey God,to submit our will to his will,his word,which is his law.anything else and we are fooling ourselves,and sinning.
---tom2 on 4/6/07


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Some act as if submitting is "automatic" and is not a choice thus they can't be held responsible. It is a false reasoning and goes against what defines yielding. Yielding(submitting) is "giving in" or "letting something happen". Some don't want to be held responsible for sinning claiming I can't help it it's my human nature. They will be shocked at the judgement when God says to them "you were yielding to sin" and says "Why didn't you yield to me?"
---Matthew on 4/2/07


The law of God is especially for Christians today. With everything in the world the way it is, we need to know and steer clear of that which God says we should. Jesus came not to remove the law, but to fullfill it.
---Junia on 4/2/07


Its been commented ones can't believe how some Christians want to reap the blessings and not submit. It's only we taste and see that He is good and his mercy endureth foreve that we lack the reasoning why all don't submit. Tell a child to make some cookies, their mouths will water for the the taste of the cookies but don't want to bake them. If you know someone or if you are someone like this, go through the process of baking, you will no longer desire the cookie but you will taste it.
---Clara on 4/2/07


jana, Amen, The Law was [preparing] people for What was coming, Calvary, God is not slack, commands [His people] to be the same, He before ordained that His people be a Holy Ghost Disciplined people(1 Peter 2:9)(2 Corinthians 6:17-18). The problem in the Christian World today is the [extreme] lack of [godly] Discipline,the teachings of men(which is all vanity)is more important to some then what God teaches(Matthew 15:8),it reflects in their actions,reasoning & desires. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 4/2/07


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Ashley - "He changed the Sabbath to the first day of the week. He made the sabbath. He is the Lord of the Sabbath, not man."

Where is Scritpure does it say Y'shua changed the Sabbath to the first day of the week?
---Phyllis on 4/2/07


Mrs MOrgan, "Christ fulfilled the law" means He bcame the Lamb of God, no more sacrificing animals 4sins, He did away with the Cer/Laws and we now go thru Christ 2the Father. He did away with all those ceremonial things, ordinances for no animal sacrifices will ever save us from death for our sins...ever. Jesus is the only way and thats why he died for us.
---jana on 4/2/07


what gets my attention more than anything is the mindset that many christians have and Iam not aware they even know it.I read and listen and iam getting the impression that believers talk like, act like , and think like the word and the way we should live is MULTIPLE CHOICE.
---tom2 on 4/1/07


ashley, It's true, I just can't believe the way some self proclaimed Christians reason,They want to reap all the wonderful promises of God but don't [truly] desire to submit to Him, That's a foolish pipe dream. The Word says : "But be ye DOERS of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves." (James 1:22). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 4/1/07


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Those who refute submitting to the Word Don't understand why the Law was given,so how can they understand Grace?People who were under the Old Testament Law had to submit to God or face consequences,this hasn't changed in the GracePeriod,Submit to Calvary/the Gospel of Christ(Freedom-Life) or reject It facing the consequences,Free-choice is obviously important to God. Rather you have a sincere Jew from Old Testament times or a child of God nowadays,their HEART speaks volumes.(1 Chronicles 28:9). God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 4/1/07


Some understand that if the Law was still in effect they would of been stoned a long time ago, But God gave us Grace-Jesus,He fulfilled the Law, Jesus taught abiding in Him/His sayings or else become a [castaway]. The Word says that the Holy Commandments of God are NOT grievous(1 John 5:3) to a TRUE child of God, but to those who feel They are, are not true children of God. Every TRUE child of God knows that God's Truth/Word is life, so they abide in It, walk in His Spirit. God Bless!
---Mrs._Morgan on 4/1/07


What has love to do indeed with those who adhere to NT rules only when CHRIST IS THE WHOLE 10 LAWS which is the LAWS OF LOVE and the whole Bible is all about Christ Himself who is ALSO LOVE? When did God say we are to adhere to NTs only? Any scripture please???
---jana on 4/1/07


Jesus said, "If you all love me, MY Commandments keep." John 14:15.
---Eloy on 3/31/07


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Jesus said in John "If you love me, keep my commandments." Many say the ten commandments arn't valid. False. Jesus gave them to us. Jesus told people to keep the commandments and named them in Matt. If they no longer apply, why would He say they still apply. He changed the Sabbath to the first day of the week. He made the sabbath. He is the Lord of the Sabbath, not man. It is written in black and white. There should be no disputes about it. What Jesus says is truth, regardless what men say.
---ashley on 4/1/07


Mrs. Morgan. You made me laugh. You are right. the gospel is not rocket science. I thought Jesus was clear when He said in John, "If ye love me, keep my commandments." You would not believe the hatred and bitterness shown on other blogs by men professing to be saved and love the Savior. Jesus said you would know who people follow by words uttered from their mouth. If you follow everything the Savior taught, you are His disciple. many do not agree. They prefer hatred, anger and contention.
---ashley on 4/1/07


Have you not read the Sermon on the Mount yet? Jesus gives [instructions] for how God's people should live, and what they are to do. This is NOT rocket science.
---Mrs._Morgan on 3/31/07


From my prospective, is not the Law of Christ, the only law the Christian is under?

Matthew is correct in that the conclusion of the law is simply to "Love your neighbor as yourself." Romans 13:10

But what has love to do with some that adhere to OT laws and demand it of others particularly when the NT tells us that such things are optional?
---lee on 3/31/07


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A lad asked the Savior what he needed to do to follow Him. Jesus answered: Matt 5:48."Be ye therefor perfect,even as your Father which art in Heaven is perfect." He then said, to swear not, love your enemies, obey the commandments and named them. He then said He was giving them two new commandments too. Matt 22:37-40 The Sabbath was changed to the first day of the week. Paul preached on the first day, Jesus had His apostles work on the Jewish Sabbath. He was the Lord of the Sabbath, not man.
---ashley on 3/31/07


By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:2 & 3.
---Wayne87 on 3/31/07


As far as God's moral commandments(what definied sin) they are still for us today.
Romans 13:9
The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
---Matthew on 3/31/07


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