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Hope Of The Resurrection

Do you believe that the early Christian's hope of the resurrection is what allowed them to withstand such persecution? Have Christians today lost that hope because of the 2000 year time span since Christ's resurrection?

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 ---Frank on 3/30/07
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The purpose of the resurrection is to destroy sin. Remember,only the righteous can walk humbly with the lord. The only way to be righteuos is thru the Christ.
---Jacques on 5/2/07


RyanZ....I just may do that. Thank you.
---betty8468 on 4/13/07


betty, for a clearer understandig of body, soul and spirit I would suggest you do word studies in both the Greek and Hebrew on these three words. God uses the words soul and spirit very selectively thru out scripture. I am not here to attack, I am here to learn and fellowship. Thank you for your time.
---Ryan_Z on 4/13/07


RyanZ., I don't think we wil ever agree with each other in this area so I will not continue. Thank you for your input though. And, I appreciate you not attacking me as I have seen others do in these blogs. You are a true gentleman. God bless you.
---betty8468 on 4/12/07


betty8468, it could not have been the spirit that died when Adam transgressed God's command, ther are too many scriptures that place the spirit within man, such as in Job and in Genesis when God declares, "My spirit will not strive with man becasue he is also flesh." The mind is a part of our flesh so I have difficulty accepting that the soul is the mind. If the soul were the mind then when the body, mind included, turns to dust the soul would also turn to dust?
---Ryan_Z on 4/12/07




#2 betty8468, as far as the soul being our emotions that is a difficult one to accept as well. Emotions are a chemical response within the flesh, emotions cease within the body once we turn to dust. The soul is closely associated to the will and our personal identity.
---Ryan_Z on 4/12/07


#3 betty8468, It is our soul that defines us as "I". I am not a body, but I have a body, I will receive a new body prepared in the spirit from the Lord. I amnot spirit because, as it says in Job, the spirit is that part within man that gives us understanding and inspiration, the spirit is from and of God. SO the only thing left that we can define as "I" is our soul.
---Ryan_Z on 4/12/07


RyanZ. The soul is your mind, will, and emotions. Romans 12:2 tells us that we are to renew our minds. If the mind was already saved, it would not need to be renewed. Phil.2:5 let this mind be in you... if we have to let it be in us then it isn't in there now. Gen. God said man would die when he ate the fruit. He ate and was still alive. So part of him died? His spirit.
---betty8468 on 4/11/07


#1 betty8468, Notice in Hebrews 10:39 it speaks of the saving of the soul. The spirit does not need to be reborn or saved, the bible says the the Holy Spirit will quicken our spirit when we are reborn. All that God has done is not for the redemption of our spirit, because it is the spirit in man that is from God and gives man understanding.
---Ryan_Z on 4/11/07


#2 betty8468, The spirit is perfect and has not fallen. The work of God is for the redemption of our soul, It is our soul that has been tainted and it is our soul that needs saving. It is a gross error to combine the spirit and woul within man into one entitity, especially sonce God refers to them as two separate entities thruought scripture.
---Ryan_Z on 4/11/07




RyanZ. 1Thes. 5:23 we are a 3 part being. Our spirits are born again. John3:3-8. Hebs. 10:37-39 ...faith to the preserving of the soul. That tells me that when we die both our spirit and soul go to be with our Father. Hope this helps and I apologize if I seemed critical. I try not to do that because I don't like to cause controversy. Please forgive me if I offended you in anyway. BJ
---betty8468 on 4/11/07


betty8468, man is a spirit? Scripture says that God breathed the spirit into mans nostrils and man became a living soul.Soul and spirit are not one. The spirit within man surely returns to GOd upon death, and the body turns to dust; my question is what happens to the living soul?
---Ryan_Z on 4/10/07


RyanZ...please read 2Cor. 5:1-8. Thank you. Your spirit is the real you. That is the only part of you that is born again. When your body dies, your spirit goes home to the Lord. Our bodies will be resurrected and change to immortal bodies on that great day of the Lord's return and join back with our spirits. 1Cor. 15:50-55.
---betty8468 on 4/10/07


1) Jack, I believe our disagreemnet is based in your "soul/spirit". I do not combine them as one entity. The soul in man is not his spirit. The spirit in man, because it is from GOd, can not die; naturaly it returns to GOd. The soul goes somewhere upon death and it is not heaven.
---Ryan_Z on 4/2/07


Where in the bible do you read the soul entering the presence of the Lord? The little grain that is placed into your new body is truly sown in the dust of the ground. The seed for our eternal bodies is resurrected from those who are asleep in Christ first, then those who remain will be changed in the twinkiling of a moment (No, I am not speaking of a pre-trib rap).
---Ryan_Z on 4/2/07


**Are you suggesting you believe in a Pop-Evangelical doctrine of "Absent from the body is to be present with the Lord"? Which is just another twisting of scripture.
---Ryan on 4/2/07**

No. The ANCIENT CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE. And this condition of being a disembodied spirit is only temporary.

It's up to YOU to show the conflict between survival of the soul/spirit and resurrection of the body.

And I know you can't, because there IS none.
---Jack on 4/2/07


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Jack, show me that being alive in heaven upon DEATH does not conflict with being resurrected from DEATH at the second coming of THe Christ. Are you suggesting you believe in a Pop-Evangelical doctrine of "Absent from the body is to be present with the Lord"? Which is just another twisting of scripture.
---Ryan on 4/2/07


No i dont think that the early christian's hope of the resurrection is what allowed them to withstand such persecution...not even close...love of jesus christ, b/c they knew that they could have heaven on earth, and they wanted others not to go to hell...not the hope of the resurrection...Probably more the hope that others can come into the kingdom of heaven before the res...
---mark on 3/31/07


**Now you hear people claim when they die they go to heaven; if this were the case what is the need for a resurrection? The hope of the resurrection has been replaced with a doctrine that claims immediately upon death you arrive in heaven**

The two doctrines do NOT conflict.

You are proposing a false antithesis.
---Jack on 3/31/07


Rebecca D=== You made a good point. I truly hope that you shall have a great day.
---catherine on 3/31/07


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Many people has heard that Christ is coming soon for so long, that I believe they have lost hope. With all the evil in this world, it is like alot of people have ceased to believe it anymore.
---Rebecca_D on 3/30/07


remember thomas?what christ said to him?since you have seen you believe,blessed are those who have not seen yet believe,thats us.
---tom2 on 3/30/07


Frank, you raise an interesting topic. Todays Christian has no hope for the resurrection becasue the teaching of the resurrection has been replaced. Now you hear people claim when they die they go to heaven; if this were the case what is the need for a resurrection? The hope of the resurrection has been replaced with a doctrine that claims immediately upon death you arrive in heaven. I say keep your hope and faith in the resurrection not the beliefs of those who's ears want to be tickled.
---Ryan on 3/30/07


It's all relative, Frank. Persecution of early Christians was greater in many ways. You could be right that they were close enough to the memory of Christ that they were stronger. But there are many persecuted today in the third world, maimed, killed, families destroyed. In the last days many will be martyred. Gruesome times have returned for captured prisoners over the past few years. Our lifespan is 78-90 years avg., it is short. It's not the 2000 years, but the church is falling asleep.
---Armstrong on 3/30/07


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I don't claim to know about others, but St. Paul put it well when he said, "If Christ is not risen, our preaching and your faith is in vain. If it is for this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable."
---Jack on 3/30/07


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