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Sheep In Other Folds

Jesus said" I have other sheep in other folds, them also I must bring" What did He mean by that?

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It's just as substantial as the Mormonoid theory that the Aboriginal Americans are the 10 lost tribes.

In other words, UN-.
---Cluny on 8/26/10

I don't follow/unite/fraternalize with any brand other than Christs.
He is Lord and Saviour.
Demom's are all partially right, and mostly wrong.
When pushed too hard with scripture, people use a label gun.
Use scripture, supporting your "labels" it shows/proves confidence and dignity becoming an intellectual.
How about that Sun and moon?
Jeremiah 31:36
If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
---Trav on 8/27/10


One nation under God-with the right to praise Him-worship him-learn of Him.
This is not mans doing-All Glory and Honor is Him.
This is not a myth or a mystery-God alone gets the Glory.

King of Kings
and Lord of Lords
---char on 8/27/10


British-Israelism is a crazy fiction with not one drop of historical evidence--documentary or archaeological--to support it, Trav.

It's just as substantial as the Mormonoid theory that the Aboriginal Americans are the 10 lost tribes.

In other words, UN-.
---Cluny on 8/26/10


Cluny:
:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon ...

36If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
---Trav on 8/25/10

"Scattered" rarely considered. This first one applicable today (contextually). Some consider it a myth,I've heard.
Ezekiel 34:6
My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.

John 11:52
And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
---Trav on 8/26/10


One nation-under God.
We are bless-as he said we would be.

....Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled...
---char on 8/25/10

It is interesting that many are never taught that some conenants were never ending. Example below. Blessing/Curse covenants are markers/signs of a broad nature. For Cluny:
:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon ...

36If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37Thus saith the LORD, If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
---Trav on 8/25/10




One nation-under God.
We are bless-as he said we would be.

Keeping an eye on the seed-
King of Kings-Lord of Lords--
Praise God-freely we can declare and support-God exist.
Praise God that has not changed.

Jude----remebrance-many will be deceived.
Hold-fast-
Key of David-parable of the fig tree-there are good and bad figs.
Judge 9
Hab 3
Matt21
Matt24(all)
vs 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree, when his branch is yet tender,and putteth forth leaves,ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors...Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled...
---char on 8/25/10


\\To my understanding,
the ten were scattered abroad---Europe-Canada----Americas'---\\
This is nothing but a myth that had currency in 19 century Victorian Britain ---Cluny on 8/25/10
Scripture vs "myth". Is scripture stronger than twolip myth busters?

1. Lets start with new language... Isa 28:11(English (Bible) blessed/lights all). 90%+ Christian literature has come from America/English. Hmmmm, light houses perhaps? Or would you say: China,Africa,Japan,Egypt,Mayans,Mongolians,
Peruveans are the initial drivers here?
2. Israel divorced,loses name lost/amongst, scattered Isa, 42:16-19, Hos 1-9,10:2-6, Rom11:25 etc+.
3. Carries the Gospel to the world: (see 1)Gen 28:14,Isa 43:19-12, 21. Micah 5:7.
---Trav on 8/25/10


\\To my understanding,
the ten were scattered abroad---Europe-Canada----Americas'---\\

This is nothing but a myth that had currency in 19 century Victorian Britain when the Empire was at its zenith.
---Cluny on 8/25/10


To my understanding,
the ten were scattered abroad---Europe-Canada----Americas'---

We---are one nation under God.
Gen 3:15-
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her Seed, It(i.e. Christ) shall bruise they head, and thou shalt bruise His heel.
Keep our eye on the seed.
---char on 8/25/10

Jeremiah 31:10
Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.
Isa 42:23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come?
Matt 15:24.
---Trav on 8/25/10


To my understanding,
the ten were scattered abroad---Europe-Canada----Americas'---

We---are one nation under God.

Gen 3:15-
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her Seed, It(i.e. Christ) shall bruise they head, and thou shalt bruise His heel.

Keep our eye on the seed.
---char on 8/25/10




The believing Jews were not under the law, before the gentiles were called. The law was written on their heart.---mike88874 on 8/15/10

Mike,I find that Houses of Israel were two. The Nth and the Sth.
The North composed of Ten named of the offspring of Israel. The
South of two.
The laws written in their heart Heb8:10 by implication and sign seems to be only the Nthern 10. The Southern two, showing little sign of any in their heart today.

Where are these people, the largest number to ever be lost in the history of the world. Only GOD knows.
Amos 9:9
For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
---Trav on 8/16/10


The believing Jews were not under the law, before the gentiles were called. The law was written on their heart.The jews that were cut off were the house of Israel which would be the nonbelieving jews. The olive tree is Israel the branches are those who walk in faith, both Jews and Gentiles, the root is Yeshua.
---mike88874 on 8/15/10


Okay, did you not read that the Gentiles get grafted in? one is a jew inwardly not outwardly according to the flesh.......Read Romans. Much love in Christ:)
---Jennifer on 8/12/10

Grafting is done in the same family. Would you graft a fig tree with an Oak?
The graft is between the same family Israel, the Northern House Divorced and the Southern House of Judah.
Read the witnesses. Heb8:8/Jer 31:31. What two parts are covenanted.
The same part that was previously a whole.
The only people mentioned as Fig Trees are Israel in scripture.
Don't take my word....check it out.
---Trav on 8/13/10


Okay, did you not read that the Gentiles get grafted in? one is a jew inwardly not outwardly according to the flesh.......Read Romans. Much love in Christ:)
---Jennifer on 8/12/10


Gentiles were considered heathens during the life of Christ. In no way were they considered part of God's Kingdom during that time. These two groups of people were different. The following support this claim:

Matt 10:5-6: "These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: 'Do not go among the GENTILES or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel."

Matt 18:17: "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church, and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a GENTILE and a tax collector."

Acts 10:28: "He said to them: 'You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a GENTILE or visit him....'"
---michael_e on 8/12/10


...a problem with this theory, Jews, Jesus was speaking to were under Mosaic Law. If you read Paul's epistles, he tells gentile Christians that they are no longer under the old Law (Rom.6:14).
---michael_e on 8/11/10

If you will go back to GOD's divorce....Nth House lost their marriage name, covenant/laws. Scattered, mentioned several places. Punished under the law, it was still part of their lives...in punishment. Paul, is speaking to the Nth House,Lost Sheep of Israel.
Matt 15:25. Is the search for.
Note the woman at the well....she was one.
Israel was promised remarriage....but, GOD would have to Die to not break his own divorce/fornication law.
Did GOD die?
This is....... the rest of the story.
---Trav on 8/12/10


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the other sheep? For most religions, the answer is simple they say Jesus was foretelling the time when gentiles would be joined to Jews in the faith.
a problem with this theory, Jews, Jesus was speaking to were under Mosaic Law. If the pen the Jews were in was under Law, gentile Christians would appear to join the Jews under the Old Law arrangement. If you read Paul's epistles, he tells gentile Christians that they are no longer under the old Law (Rom.6:14).

the crowd Jesus was talking to then didn't represent his faithful followers, most who heard him, didnt believe in him. John 10:20, they said, Hes demonized and crazy. Why listen to him?
---michael_e on 8/11/10


Christ was commissioned to preach to ONLY the Jews during his lifetime.

Only after His death, was the Kingdom opened to the Gentiles, thru the Apostle Paul. Acts 9:15

Look at Matt. 15:21-28
Christ's mission is clear. ---michael_e on 8/11/10

Well, prove me out by scripture. He came to seek what was lost....the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.

Judah was not lost. The Nth house of composed of 10 was lost. Mixed in among the people of the world.
He came to his own, Judah...they would have him not.
Heb8:8 shows the re-uniting covenant.
Judah is not All 13 composing Israel. You,preachers,teachers,doctrines,denoms,jews would just soon they stay lost. Not YAHSHUA.
---Trav on 8/11/10


not recognized at the time by the Jews.
---trey on 11/29/07

...not recognized at this time by Jews.

12 - 1apostle (Judas) + 1 chosen in OT fashion by 11 apostles - 1 chosen in OT fashion by 11 apostles + one Jew (Paul) called by Jesus to spread the message to the gentiles also. Act 9:15. Jesus recognizes His chosen apostles for his Father's will not by casting lots.
---aka on 8/11/10


Christ was commissioned to preach to ONLY the Jews during his lifetime. Only after His death, was the Kingdom opened to the Gentiles, thru the Apostle Paul. Acts 9:15

Look at Matt. 15:21-28

Christ's mission is clear. He tells us himself. He says that He "was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
He was not sent to receive the Gentiles during his earthly ministry.
---michael_e on 8/11/10


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John 4 v 32. The gentiles, the other fold.
---Lawrence on 8/11/10

Yeah, the Nth House of Israel was by your interpretation.
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Ezekiel 34:6
My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.
(I will too)
Ezekiel 34:11
For thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
---Trav on 8/11/10


John 4 v 32. The gentiles, the other fold.
---Lawrence on 8/11/10


Throughout the Bible, God refers to the people of Israel as His sheep. There is no indication that this is referring to the Gentiles. ---michael_e on 8/10/10

I was resistant to unlearning ingrained doctrines of men,more than anyone....until the scriptural witnesses spoke. Now, once known...a person has a choice. To go against OT prophets/apostles chosen by GOD or go against a modern doc preacher of ignorance.
Gentile....is a latin word. Nations or ethnos would be the correct usage most of the time. Sometimes it means heathens. It is referring to the ethnos nation of Israel divorced. It is an early RC error, that one must verify each time it is used in scripture.
Heb 8:8 great place to start. Heb 8:10 marks GOD's own.
---Trav on 8/11/10


Right Trav.
The 12 tribes of Israel Is One Jewish fold.
John 10 v 16 the fold of the gentiles to come in.
---Lawrence on 8/10/10

Lawrence, the thousands of scriptures,prophets apostles,angels do not witness this. Now one can fight GOD or join up.
For instance:
Isaiah 66:22
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isaiah 59:21
As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD, My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.
---Trav on 8/11/10


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Right Trav.
The 12 tribes of Israel Is One Jewish fold.
John 10 v 16 the fold of the gentiles to come in.
---Lawrence on 8/10/10


Throughout the Bible, God refers to the people of Israel as His sheep. There is no indication that this is referring to the Gentiles. Those other sheep are the other tribes of Israel. In Matt. 10:6 Christs instruction to His disciples, But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The apostle James directly addressed the lost tribes of Israel in James 1:1, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad The Jews also made the same reference in John 7:35: will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles?
---michael_e on 8/10/10


(John 10:16) Sheep in other folds: gentiles/non jews.
Israel has been set aside "temporarily until the full number of the"Gentiles" has come in (romans 11:25) ...
---Robyn on 8/10/10

Look from another angle....Lost Israel has been found for two thousand years. Judah has been set aside for the same.
Matt 15:24. Christ did not fail.
Our belief for this period of time testifys.
Judah does not now, nor never did represent all the different sons of Israel.

Heb 8:8. Reveals the covenant RE-connecting both houses. 12, apostles representing, 10,servants,virgins,coins,lepers,blind etc. Represent the Nth House of Israel,divorced.
---Trav on 8/10/10


(John 10:16) Sheep in other folds: gentiles/non jews.
Israel has been set aside "temporarily until the full number of the"Gentiles" has come in (romans 11:25) This is happening now in he Church Age. But eventually Jews and Gentiles will live together in harmony in the Millennial Kingdom and then in Eternity when all the true sheep will follow their true Shepherd,,forever.
---Robyn on 8/10/10


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He is speaking of Gentiles, but not just in that land ,but all over the world.
---candice on 8/10/10


Geoff. Moses and the prophets were until John. Since then the Kingdom is preached. You go ahead and stick with Moses and the prophets. I'm just as obedient to those laws as you are and I'm not even under them. You will be judged by them because you are under them.---john on 4/8/07

OT prophets were until John. The laws until the Death of Christ. Heb8:8-10 describes the new laws, and who has them. Notice that Judah does not equal all Israel here. We've be taught that Judah is Israel....but, there are 12 Apostles, each representing their portion. Laws....you hear them, I hope when they tug at your mind. But, not all do.
O.T.Prophets verify the NT Covenant. Apostles referred to them often.
---Trav on 8/10/10


The gentiles, no matter what nationality, race or creed.
---Lawrence on 8/10/10


Ro 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
(In the mind and purpose of God, some of Israel are Gentiles and not Jews.)
Ro 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
(Isaac was the promised son and a picture of "Spiritual Israel".)

The moderator is correct. The other sheep are the chosen Gentiles, not recognized at the time by the Jews.
---trey on 11/29/07


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In Eph.2 we see that Jesus abolished the law of commandments which separated the Jews from the rest of the world (gentiles) that had no law. When the law was abolished, the Gentiles could also come in and out of 2, He made 1 new man. The other sheep then, would be all others who had not the law.
---john on 11/26/07


Christ is talking about those who have not made up their minds yet to come into the true fold. His sheep is scattered in the many groups that are on earth..He knows the hearts of those who love and obey Him. Them He will bring into His fold along with others.Be it Catholics, Mormons, Baptists, etc etc them also must He bring in.
---jana on 4/27/07


possibly non Jews?
---doree4573 on 4/9/07


John, could you be referring to Mt 11:13? "For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John." I'll do what Jesus did. "And beginning with Moses & all the Prophets, He explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning Himself" Lk 24:27. Jesus believes the entire Bible and so do I.
---Geoff on 4/9/07


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Not in the slightest Earl.
---NVBarbara on 4/9/07


greetings.nvbarbara.Does your comment imply there are no angels?
---earl on 4/9/07


Earl its hard enough finding intellegent life on this planet! Don't be concerned about other ones.
Turn off the 'X-Files!'
---NVBarbara on 4/8/07


Geoff. Moses and the prophets were until John. Since then the Kingdom is preached. You go ahead and stick with Moses and the prophets. I'm just as obedient to those laws as you are and I'm not even under them. You will be judged by them because you are under them. How much of a chance do you think you have when even you are not obeying them all yourself?
---john on 4/8/07


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Yes, everybody is a criminal. The Bible says so. Anyone who has ever broken one of God's laws, guess what? That makes you a criminal.
---catherine on 4/8/07


greetings.kirk.Yes ,at this moment with this reply i am visiting with intelligent life.Yes ,intelligent life is just beyond the normal human vision.It is those who visit us ,not we visit them .You refer to intelligent life and i detect your humor but in fact high intelligent spirit life is present even if the eye cannot see.Yes,i have been visited by 'intelligent life'but not somewhere else.
---earl on 4/8/07


greetings.Charles.I find the trek series futuristic in many ways but not a fan of the series.Abducted ,no.Yes,life on this world is under quarantine"he has set the bounds",So the universes full of life beyond our atmosphere is tremendous and growing.On "every form of life",no-Vegetable, plant or animal life is not included but all life possessing 'will' is.
---earl on 4/8/07


John, God didn't abandoned His holy law to go easy on sinful man. That's like legalizing marijuana. The 10 Commandments still protect us. Jesus came & died so lawbreakers like us who love & obey Him can join His family & have eternal life-Jn 3:16. He doesn't give us license to keep on sinning.

Yes Earl, God's family is universal. It includes all who truly love, know, trust & obey God-Jn 10:16, 10:5.
---Geoff on 4/8/07


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earl, are you a Star Trek fan?
I get the feeling when you say greetings, that you're including all universes and galaxies, and every form of life.
Have you been abducted by a UFO by chance?
---Charles on 4/7/07


earl, have you visited with intelligent life somewhere else?
---Kirk on 4/7/07


greetings.There is a vast universe of intelligent life .Man is mistaken if Jesus taught truth only to this backward world.
---earl on 4/7/07


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