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The End Times Deception

What is the end times deception? Are Christians part of the end times deception?

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I believe that the end times deception will have much to do with the apparitions of the Virgin Mary - something that is happening with greater frequency in our age.
---Lee on 3/14/08


There may be a sudden 'Messiah' brought to our attention, performing great 'miracles' with the aid of modern technology . This might be performed by the Zionists. Beware of television and mind control, and question everything. Jesus's second coming is after the great rebellion. After the masses have worshipped the Antichrist (the Pope?). We will need to be discerning of the truth at a level most people have not attained as yet and nor do they wish to, as they are so happy to accept the lies.
---frances008 on 3/12/08


Rev.3:14-22 points out that christians who believe they are saved by grace, faith and love (in need of nothing) are told they are naked and poor. They need to trade this for truth. This NEW truth will be presented by the 144,000 who are sealed before the tribulation.
---Dr.Rich on 3/12/08


Three lies of the devil have spawned every false religion, and the false ideology that is re-emerging in the emerging church.

It's subtle now, but will become blatant in the future.

MMR Michelle
---Michelle on 3/11/08


You will become like god.

If you eat this, it will give you power.

Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?'

MMR Michelle
---Michelle on 3/11/08




Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft.

Special diets, magic, crystals, religious mystics, chants, New Age channeling-merging with churches -

'For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God.'

MMR Michelle
---Michelle on 3/11/08


Humanism, New Age, occult, witchcraft, satanism, and eastern mysticism have found their way into the churches.

When satan fell, he was stripped of all power but one.

Satan was left with the power of illusion.

MMR Michelle
---Michelle on 3/11/08


After Adam left Eve alone, he applied his remaining skill or craft upon humanity.

If he had any real authority, he would not have needed to lie.

Through lies, he holds humanity as his hostage.

He's still using lies without physical authority to hold those who belong to him as hostage.

MMR Michelle
---Michelle on 3/11/08


The Immortal Soul is nowhere in Scripture except for the first lie told in Eden.
"The Soul that Sinneth shall die."
Denominations teaching souls burning in torment for eternity follow the Devil. They dont know that God's Strange Act of Hell-Fire poured to devour Satan Sin and the wicked is a strange act of euthenasia upon diseased souls who would infect the universe if allowed. Sinners put away unable to be happy w/o sin. Sin and the sinner come to an end and the fire goes out
---TS on 5/8/07


Many revel in sadism
Unquencheable fire can not be put out. It does not last forever. Sodom & Gemorrah were hit with unquencheable fire yet they do not continue to burn
The fire cant be put out and burns until the wicked are burnt up forever
Your theology is a perception error and a doctrine of devils
God says they will be ashes under our feet
The Soul is not immortal "The soul that sins shall die" it cant live on in torments eternal
It is the effect of the fire that is eternal
---TS on 5/8/07




the deception is that people think they know what hour jesus is coming back when scripture clearly states that he will come like a thief in the night.people are guessing and assuming.no one knows and that is the truth.are you ready if he came tonight or tomorrow?
---jesuschild on 5/7/07


Matthew 5:22 but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Matthew 5:29 for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Matthew 10:28 but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Mt 11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell:
---exzucuh on 5/7/07


Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mark 9:45 than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

22 times did Jesus speak of hell, it's real and it's eternal.
---exzucuh on 5/7/07


The end time deception is any doctrine contrary to Jesus and the apostles teaching.we must believe

Jesus is the Son of God, and Believe in his Father,
John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
---exzucuh on 5/7/07


WE must believe in his death, burial and resurrection, Abraham believed and it was imputed to him for righteousness,

Romans 4:23-24 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
---exzucuh on 5/7/07


1 Peter 4:17-18 the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

We are to believe in Hell and draw near to Christ, believing by the help of the Holy Spirit we will not Backslide into perdition.
---exzucuh on 5/7/07


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Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

We are to lay down our lives and be a witness to the world and they should see Jesus in us
---exzucuh on 5/7/07


Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mark 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen
Ac 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:

We should have signs of the Holy Ghost confirming that our Gospel is true and Power in our lives, the Spirit bearing witness with our spirit.
---exzucuh on 5/7/07


Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Seeking the kingdom will bring faith and faith will bring all the blessings that are yea and Amen in Jesus. that we freely receive
by grace. Knowing the power of the blood.
---exzucuh on 5/7/07


We must believe in the New Testament, Law of the Spirit of Life that is in Christ Jesus,the law of the Spirit of Grace, that the Spirit that we have received of God is working in our members by faith to lead us into all righteousness and the Law of Moses has no power over us, we are free from Sin and death by the blood.

Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
---exzucuh on 5/7/07


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Many revel in sadism
Unquencheable fire can not be put out. It does not last forever. Sodom & Gemorrah were hit with unquencheable fire yet they do not continue to burn
The fire cant be put out and burns until the wicked are burnt up forever
Your theology is a perception error and a doctrine of devils
God says they will be ashes under our feet
The Soul is not immortal "The soul that sins shall die" it cant live on in torments eternal
It is the effect of the fire that is eternal
---TS on 5/7/07


Ramon "But God is also just and righteous He cannot allow sin to go unpunished." You seem to think that if the fire goes out then sin is going unpunished. Nothing could be farther from truth. The fact that sinners have fire & brimstone rained down on them to destroy them, causing them to suffer, then be destroyed root &branch & be ashes under our feet, IS PUNISHMENT. "Fire came down from heaven and devoured them" Rev 20:9 devoured = leaving them neither root nor branch.
---Gina7 on 5/5/07


God does not want sinners to live forever. "And the Lord God said "Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever; therefore the Lord God sent him from the Garden of Eden...so he drove out the man, and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life" Gen 3:22-24
---Gina7 on 5/5/07


God said the consequences of sin would be death, "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die" Gen 2:17 but the devil told Eve instead "And the serpent said unto the woman "Ye shall not surely die" Gen 3:4. Shall we believe God, who said the 'wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord' Rom 6:23 or do we believe the devil who says the consequences of sin is not death "ye shall not surely die"?
---Gina7 on 5/5/07


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Ramon: #2. Despite that the Bible said that Hell is eternal, you wish to deny it and fit in your beliefs. Did not God destroy the earth with a flood; Sodom and Gomorrah? " Ramon, what does Jude verse 7 say? "Even as Sodom & Gomorrha,and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication... suffering the vengeance of eternal fire". Show me the eternal fire, still burning, that was once Sodom & Gomorrha, and I will show you the enternal fire of Hell.
---Gina7 on 5/5/07


Sinners suffering eternally would make them out to be immortal, and only the righteous will be given immortality. (see 1 Corinthians 15:53,54.) "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord". Romans 6:23. The wages of sin is DEATH, not living forever in the lake of fire! Death is being dead, not alive. Only LIFE, eternal LIFE, is given to those who do not sin, do not break the 10 commandments.
---Gina7 on 5/5/07


Ramon " The Bible said Hell is eternal, the people does not cease to exist in hell." So Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death (ceasing to exist); but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." reads in your Bible "For the wages of sin is not the second death,and not ceasing to exist, but living forever, and having eternal life in the lake of fire, going mad from the unending torture"
---Gina7 on 5/5/07


Jude 7"Even as Sodom and Gomorrah,and the cities about them in like manner..are set forth for an example,suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE"
II Peter 2:6 "and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ASHES condemed them with an overthrow,making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly"
Malachi 4:3 "And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ASHES under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this,saith the Lord of Hosts"
---Gina7 on 5/5/07


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Malachi 4 is talking about the day of judgement upon the wicked: "For behold, the day cometh,that shall burn as an oven,and all the proud, yea,and all that do wickedly, shall be STUBBLE (does this say burn forever, or does the fire go out & they turn to stubble?),and the day that cometh shall burn them UP(or does it say burn them forever?),saith the Lord of Hosts,that it shall leave them neither root nor branch (or does it say leave them intact with eternal life, living and burning forever?)"
---Gina7 on 5/5/07


Since the wicked will be ashes under our feet (Malachi 4:3)once the punishment of wicked is over,the fire does go out. The wicked burn day& night until their punishment is overwith. God is just..& the effects are eternal,as nobody is coming back from the second death! The wages of sin is death(Romans 6:23)but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. We will walk upon the ashes of the wicked, once the new earth is formed after the fire that destroys the wicked root & branch goes out.
---Gina7 on 5/5/07


You are making hell out to be a purgatory for the whole world it is purely unbiblical.
---Matthew on 5/4/07
That is not true. In purgatory people pay for their own sins, then go to heaven. Not so in the lake of fire. Once you burn out, and turn to ashes, and are consumed root and branch (Malachi 4) you cease to exist and die the second death, one you never come back from. The wages of sin is death (ceasing to exist)but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (Romans 6:23)
---Gina7 on 5/5/07


The fact that God is loving does not cancel out His holy requirement of perfection.

But God is also just and righteous He cannot allow sin to go unpunished. His Love cannot rule over his justice. They must be seen in balance.

Saying that "God is God of Love and he won't send people to eternally hell" is from your thinking

Unless the Bible said God cannot do "this or that", your beliefs are based on your opinions!
---Ramon on 5/5/07


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#2. You have "made" your God to fit in with your "thinking". Despite that the Bible said that Hell is eternal, you wish to deny it and fit in your beliefs.

Did not God destroy the earth with a flood; Sodom and Gomorrah? His Love does not cancel out his justice. The Bible said Hell is eternal, the people does not cease to exist in hell. But God is loving that He send His Son, so that we won't suffer that fate. But most refuse to accept Christ. Who said God didn't try?
---Ramon on 5/5/07


T.S. The bible speaks on the unquenchable fire. 2 Ch 34:25, Is 34:8-10, 66:21-24, Jer 7:20, 17:27, Eze 20:47-47, Mk 9:43-48. Torment of the wicked Lk 16:23-28, Rev 14:9-11, they have no rest day or night. Being in an unquenchable fire with no rest day or night, is torment.
---Rebecca_D on 5/4/07


Yes Jana I believe hell
is forever and ever.
---Matthew on 5/4/07


Mathew: we belive what the Bible only tells us: Read Rev 20:10 and shall be tormented(2make misserable)day and night 4ever. Read Heb10:29of how much sorer punishment,suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy,who has trodden under foot the Son of God n has counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, AN UNHOLY THING, n has done despite unto the Spirit of grace? (a)
---jana on 5/4/07


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Mathew: Heb10:30For we know Him that has said, Vengeance belongs unto me, I will recompense, sayeth the Lord. And again,The Lord shall judge his people.V31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. V38 Now the just shall live by faith;but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him." every bible I have says "tormented days n night 4ever n ever".
---jana on 5/4/07


You don't realize that you believing God made hell temporary, despite the fact he said it is eternal, you made up your own God. It's called idolatry. We need to trust in what the Bible says and not attempt to mold a different God based on what we think is fair or right. Hell is not eternal is devilish lie. God is love and he is also just and holy. He abhors sin and evil. He hates it. You are making hell out to be a purgatory for the whole world it is purely unbiblical.
---Matthew on 5/4/07


*Is that what you want to do? Roast and toast people forever?*

I don't question God. He clearly doesn't want to because he said he wants no one to perish. But again he is just and holy. You have molded you own God to fit your beliefs.
---Matthew on 5/4/07


mathew: I gave you the answer. God is Love, He does not roast and toast people for ever. Only Satan would do that. Those teaching such a lie do not know my Father.

Is that what you want to do? Roast and toast people forever?

It is the consequence of the fire and the smoke that is forever. Not the fire nor the torment. What part do you not get?
---TS on 5/4/07


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All of you people who are not saved by the Blood of Jesus Christ, you do not have a leg to stand on. With all of your talk. Christians are the called, called out of the world, called from sin to Christ, Sanctified; Sanctified by God the Father. Our Sanctification is not our own work. Our corruption and pollution are of ourselves; The called and Sanctified are preserved in Christ Jesus; Where He begins He will perfect; Though we are fickle, He is constant. [Jude 1:2]
---catherine on 5/4/07


Pop: the only ones misinterpreting the Word of God are people who are Anti God and against the 10 commandments and the 7th day Sabbath of God. There are a few on this forum
---jana on 5/4/07


TS do you believe the unsaved will be tormented in hell with no end? Forever and forever? Yes or no. Your response didn't give me the answer I was looking for.
---Matthew on 5/3/07


Mathew: Jude1:6 does not use the term Abussos? or Hell in anyway shape or form.

Jude 1:6
Thier first estate was with God in Heaven which they left to follow Satan.

The chains they are under is Sin. The darkness they serve is Satan instead of God "Who resides in unapproachable Light"

Spiritual things are spiritually discerned.
---TS on 5/3/07


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Mathew: Yes hell fire poured out to cleanse the earth ends.It consumes wicked, cleanses the planet "leaving niether branch nor root" "They will be ashes under our feet"
Not everyone gets saved
"Narrow is the path and strait is the gate and there will be FEW that find it"
Consequences of fire are eternal but fire goes out. The fire happens on this Earth and even the Graves (Hell, Hades) will be cleansed by it. Hell Fire will surround this Earth and not anywhere else.
---TS on 5/3/07


Abyss, is place in hell reserved for demons alone. Some demons are there as we speak.

Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

I still want to end this discussion. I just want to make it clear they I don't believe the Abyss is the place where the unsaved go(Sheol). I call it hell because it is a place in hell.
---Matthew on 5/3/07


There is no subterannean place where Satan resides...and God does not roast and toast folks there forever. He is Love and Love puts an end to misery.


TS, I want to end the discussion and also say that I don't believe this. Please don't throw words into my mouth. Again it is time to agree to disagree.
---Matthew on 5/3/07


TS do you believe hell ends? That everyone gets saved in the end? Do you believe in universalism?

Until you answer that I won't speak with you again.
---Matthew on 5/3/07


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mathew: The word Abussos is not the same as Sheol, Hades or Gehenna.
There is no subterannean place where Satan resides...and God does not roast and toast folks there forever. He is Love and Love puts an end to misery.
So no you can not convince us of that.
---TS on 5/3/07


TS I give up. It is time to disagree. It will be a never ending cyclic arguement. I know Abyss means hell. I realize I can't convince you of that.
---Matthew on 5/2/07


mathew: Satan is bound to this Earth already. Right now. When the wicked are destroyed He is further bound on the voided broken down Earth (abussos) no longer able to decieve anyone for they are all Dead. The Righteous do not hear him for they are safe in Heaven at that time.
---TS on 5/2/07


mathew: Hell (sheol, or Hades) means the grave and it is always associated with the Earth.

You seem to be blinded by the Byzantine idea that the Devil lives in a subterranean place with a pitchfork where dissembodies spirits go for punishment. Such is not the case and it is unbiblical, created by the Antichrist Church to sell huge Indulgences to build massive catherdrals on the backs of poor peasants.
---TS on 5/2/07


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Gina7

You're dancing around the issue. Again why is Satan bound so he can no longer deceive(the passage says this is THE REASON he was bound) anyone when there is no one to deceive?

Also why does Abyss mean hell all throughout Rev and the NT and not Earth? Please read all the other passages with Abyss in it.Which are (Luke 8:30-31)(Rev 9:1,2,11 in these passage there are still people on Earth and the Earth is not yet destroyed)(Rev 11:7 same here)(Rev 17:8)
---Matthew on 4/28/07


Revelation 20:1-3 NIRV "1 I saw an angel coming down out of heaven. He had the key to the Abyss. In his hand he held a heavy chain.

2 He grabbed the dragon, that old serpent. The serpent is also called the devil, or Satan. The angel put him in chains for 1,000 years. 3 Then he threw him into the Abyss. He locked it and sealed him in. This was to keep Satan from fooling the nations anymore until the 1,000 years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time."
---Gina7 on 4/28/07


Revelation 20:1-3 Darby Translation " 1And I saw an angel descending from the heaven, having the key of the abyss, and a great chain in his hand.

2And he laid hold of the dragon, the ancient serpent who is [the] devil and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3and cast him into the abyss, and shut [it] and sealed [it] over him, that he should not any more deceive the nations until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be loosed for a little time"
---Gina7 on 4/28/07


Revelation 20:1-3 Holman Christian Standard Bible " 1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years. 3 He threw him into the abyss, closed it, and put a seal on it so that he would no longer deceive the nations until the 1,000 years were completed. After that, he must be released for a short time."
---Gina7 on 4/28/07


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I Thes 4:17 KJV "17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."


The Amplified Bible:17Then we, the living ones who remain [on the earth], shall simultaneously be caught up along with [the resurrected dead] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so always (through the eternity of the eternities) we shall be with the Lord!"
---Gina7 on 4/28/07


I Thes 4:17 NLT "Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever. "

The Message Bible "Then the rest of us who are still alive at the time will be caught up with them into the clouds to meet the Master. Oh, we'll be walking on air! And then there will be one huge family reunion with the Master."
---Gina7 on 4/28/07


I Thes 4:17 Youngs Literal Translation "17then we who are living, who are remaining over, together with them shall be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in air, and so always with the Lord we shall be"

NIRV "17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them. We will be taken up in the clouds. We will meet the Lord in the air. And we will be with him forever."
---Gina7 on 4/28/07


John 14:1,2 NIRV " 1 "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God. Trust in me also.

2 "There are many rooms in my Father's house. If this were not true, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3 If I go and do that, I will come back. And I will take you to be with me. Then you will also be where I am."
---Gina7 on 4/28/07


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When Jesus comes again the 2nd time, His feet do not touch the ground, we meet Him in the air (1 Thes 4:17) and He is taking us to Heaven to live in the mansions He has prepared for us (John 14:1-3). He will not reign on this destroyed earth for 1000 years as is mistakenly believed. We will be in Heaven, in the Father's house
---Gina7 on 4/28/07


Matthew: "The Bible says those that are destroyed on Earth encompass the camp of the saints and the holy city(Rev 20:9). Implies very greatly that this is on Earth. Please don't say we come back for a short time." I wont, but the Bible will: Rev 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years were finished". "and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them" verse 9
---Gina7 on 4/28/07


Makes more sense to havea 1000 years to rebuild(more than enough time) rather than a little season(Rev 20:3).
---Matthew on 4/24/07
Why? They dont need anytime to rebuild anything. Sinners are resurrected in the same evil state, they see the Holy City full of gold and precious stones, they surround the holy city to take it over, and fire comes from God and destroys them. Besides, the resurrection of sinners is after the 1000 yrs, Rev 20:5, so they can't be alive for 1000 yrs.
---Gina7 on 4/28/07


Matthew: "TS and Gina7 you don't realize that your interpretation makes the reason Satan is bound for a hundred years null and void. He was bound so he would no longer deceive the nations. Rev 20: 3 and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more." Since the saved are in heaven, & the wicked are dead, (& are not resurrected until the 1000 yrs are finished),& satan is bound to this earth, he cannot deceive anybody.
---Gina7 on 4/28/07


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Revelation 20:1-3 KJV "1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."
---Gina7 on 4/28/07


Revelation 20:1-2 Amplified Bible "1THEN I saw an angel descending from heaven; he was holding the key of the Abyss (the bottomless pit) and a great chain was in his hand.
2And he gripped and overpowered the dragon, that old serpent [of primeval times], who is the devil and Satan, and [securely] bound him for a thousand years.
---Gina7 on 4/28/07


Revelation 20:3 Amplified Bible .

3Then he hurled him into the Abyss (the bottomless pit) and closed it and sealed it above him, so that he should no longer lead astray and deceive and seduce the nations until the thousand years were at an end. After that he must be liberated for a short time."
---Gina7 on 4/28/07


The end time deceptions are the false christs that come on this blog and teach false teachings. Interpret the Word of God in their own words instead of the Bible, and misunderstand the laws of the Bible. Yes, Christians are a big part of this deception, why??? misinterpretation.
---pop on 4/28/07


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You yourself admit that the word "Abussos" applies to the earth.

Not once did I say that. We can't take "Abussos" and match it with a book written 1000's of years before Rev and written by a different auther then Rev. Whats MOST important is we look at what "Abussos" means in Rev! Please read the passages given in revelaiton and Luke and please can you honestly tell me Demons was begging Jesus not to send them to Earth?
---Matthew on 4/27/07


2)
We must FIRST look at what does "Abussos" mean IN REV. It doesn't mean Earth. You could never convince me otherwise because it is too clear.

Are there people on the Earth at this time? Yes.

Revelation 11:7
Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.

He can't go up to Earth from Earth.
---Matthew on 4/27/07


Revelation 9:2
When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.

When the destroyed Earth was opened up it darkened the sky? makes no sense becauise in this passage the Earth isn't destroyed yet. Abyss= Earth does not make sense. Abyss = Hell makes sense in Rev.
---Matthew on 4/27/07


Luke 8:31
"Legion," he replied, because many demons had gone into him. And they begged him repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss."
Please don;t send us back to Earth? They would be begging Jesus to let them roam the Earth. The place Legion begged Jesus to not send them was hell.
---Matthew on 4/27/07


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Compare the Hebrew in Genesis to the greek Abussos.

Why not compare "Abussos" in Rev to every other "Abussos" in REV and the NT? Why run to an older book written by a different author? Please look at "Abussos"(NIV abyss) and honestly tell me that means Earth in the NT. If you say yes I'm am going to have to end the discussion because it is quite clear that it doesn't mean Earth. It causes the passages that use "abussos" to make no sense.
---Matthew on 4/27/07


mathew: In Genesis the "earth was void and without form." This is the same condition that will exist on Earth when Satan is bound on it for the 1000 years in Abussos.

You yourself admit that the word "Abussos" applies to the earth. It will be one massive graveyard when they "are slain by the brightness of His coming."

No contradiction here. This Earth becomes the pit. Compare the Hebrew in Genesis to the greek Abussos.

Vr
TS
---TS on 4/25/07


Abussos is also used in Luke 8:31
translated as deep.

Luke 8:30-31
30And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
31And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.
---Matthew on 4/25/07


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