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-- Kathr :

I believe even MarkV and others were CONFUSED --Kathr

Sister, Nope ~ Just You !!!!

Shawn,

Brother, I have to Agree with MarkV!
Oh my, you laid it out didn't you.
Awesome teaching!
Some might not be ready for the "T-Bone Steak" you just put out !

Just wonderful!! --Miche on 3/4/10

Shawn, I didn't see one mistake in your answer on fornication. FORNICATION IS SEPARATION FROM GOD ... I understood very well when you answered Lawrence ... NOWHERE DID YOU STATE CHRISTIANS NOW CAN COMMIT SEXUAL FORNICATION ... That is very obvious unless SOMEONE wants to distort your message again. --MarkV. on 3/8/10


FYI~That SOMEONE would be Alan & Kathr !!
---Shawn.M.T. on 3/9/10


do not pursue/mind the things of the flesh, like stealing or even the world's fleshy definition of fornication !! --Shawn on 3/6/10

Kathr, That must have not been the answer your flesh wanted to receive.
---Shawn.M.T on 3/9/10


Is Paul's definition the world's
fleshly definition of fornication? I'm sure those he addressed didn't want to hear it either.

Paul addressed fornication to Christians. The definition need no explaining as Darlene 1 pointed out. Does stealing have a fleshly AND spiritual definition? Are they different?

Shawn, do you believe in sinless perfection, that Christians can't sin, that it is impossible? Or God overlooks sin in a Christian? Please answer the question, and stop playing games.
---kathr4453 on 3/9/10


Shawn MT even Darlene 1 rebuked your condescending answer to her on another blog concerning this issue. STOP putting yourself up in some ivory tower, throwing horse meat down to us little people calling it WISDOM of meat for the spirit.

Your pretentiousness is really nothing more than a covering for your flesh, hoping no one will see. I do!

All you need to do was say YES OR NO!!!
---kathr4453 on 3/9/10


-- Kathr :

Sister, Forgive me. That was the original question I addressed, but I also answered your question of Are you saying that Christians in the Spirit can fornicate?, when I posted ..

Sister, Meekly receive the Word of God I shared with Lawrence, and you'll Rightly Divided that "they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh, but we that are after the Spirit, mind the things of the Spirit" : and God's Children being spiritual & trained in the Way(Pro.22:6), do not pursue/mind the things of the flesh, like stealing or even the world's fleshy definition of fornication !! --Shawn on 3/6/10

Kathr, That must have not been the answer your flesh wanted to receive.
---Shawn.M.T on 3/9/10


Shawn that was not my original question, and you know it. You have had this discussion here and on other blogs with Darlene 1 etc, stating the same thing...

mary doesn't realize we are not all New Agers, those peace love dove so called christians with crystals in their ears, saying we should all get along and agree with everything everyone says. She is the perfect example of the emergent church.

Mary, stop living out of your LOWER fleshly drives. you understand nothing of spiritual matters, or that there are many different doctrines that all cannot/do not agree on.

You are the one making a fool out of yourself. Do you have any convictions? any beliefs? Or do you agree with EVERYTHING anyone says. That's so dangerous.
---kathr4453 on 3/9/10




-- Kathr :

Sister, Your original question Can I now STEAL b/c I'm in the spirit and not in the flesh?" on 3/6/10, had nothing to do with the issue of Fornication in this Blog, but I compassionately answer it with scriptures. Pro.22:6 & Rom.8:5

Then you became 'CONFUSED' about living together out of wedlock, which had nothing to do with your original question or my response : AND therein is where your confuse stems, But still I humbly answered once again with scriptures(2 Cor. 10:7 & John 8:6), your question of Are you saying she wasn't really a Christian? on 3/7/10

I guess you fall into the group Miche on 3/4/10 stated could not Rightly Divide this "T-Bone Steak". )c: Keep Chewing
---Shawn.M.T on 3/8/10


Kathr, the more you speak the more you give evidence of who you really are and what your goal is, that you will have to really change your name again to be able to start anew, but we will be able to tell who you are anyway. A person that goes after anyone who does not agree with you and when they don't, you attack them personally with anything you can think of to make yourself look like you are so smart and righteous. You have done that to me, attacking my lifestyle, my salvation, Mark, twisting Shawn's responses and now you are working on Steven-rem. Putting him in a tribe somewhere in time. All these because they do not agree with you. Cannot wait to see who will be next tomorrow.
---mary on 3/8/10


Shawn MT What I find so humorous here in your comments is that YOU somehow have some sort of Spiritual Wisdom none of the rest of us have. When you can't come up with an answer you somehow hide behind 1st cor 2 stating YOU have wisdom and the rest of us are thinking our of our flesh.

So you call Paul's teaching Man's teaching I hold so tightly
You see, YOU are what is called a Gnostic...people who believe they have SPECIAL revelations no one else has. The only other explanation is Shawn,you are living with someone outside marriage, and are living in denial it is SIN!!!!!


mary has far more wisdom than you. At least she studied and said she knows now it is wrong.
---kathr4453 on 3/8/10


Alan, here is another blog of shawn's

--- Darlene 1 :

Sister, It's erroneous to claim that it's a sin to live together without being married : and by no means God's Word. The Lord in 1 King 17:9, sent Elijah to dwell/live together with a woman, so they both would be sustained !!

Your honest endeavors to share the informational facts, of the world's secular knowledge, will never Spiritually bring to Light the Discerned meanings of God's Knowledgeable Word : although you don't See nor Hear it quite yet, but at least you're aware that you're sharing the wisdom of the world's secular knowledge---
---Shawn.M.T on 2/24/10
---kathr4453 on 3/8/10


Maybe the question should seek the BIBLICAL definition which in all cases I could find "intimate sexual sin" in the body or heart.
Its clear God HATES it so it can't be good.

In Ist Corinthians 5 is appears Paul suggest a fornicator and incest participant be taken away (or killed) so that his soul will be saved in the day of the Lord?

My interpretation may not be perfect but be assured God takes the issue seriously.
---lalrry on 3/8/10




Nowhere did you state that Christians now can commit sexual fornication because they are christian, for if they are saved, children of God, they know they should not be fornicators. They are lead by the Holy Spirit. That is very obvious unless someone wants to distort your message again.
---MarkV. on 3/8/10

MarkV, i clearly asked Shawn mt about those who call themselves Christians and living together as man and wife. His answer back to me was not in reference to Israel's SPIRITUAL fornication what ever that is.

Thank you for asking him to Clarify, because not only does this go on, but Married CHRISTIANS having affairs outside of marriage. David committed adultery with a married woman and was chastened for it.
---kathr4453 on 3/8/10


Kathr, as I have said, now you want to smear my name. I have never said my husband left me for another woman. You assume many things from those you don't favor and become a liar, trying daily to smear their names.
By doing what you do, you put doubt on the Truth of God they are trying to present for the glory of God.
There is no question as to what the name Shawn MT stands for. Your tactics are "Not" for God's glory but for gratification of your sinful flesh. You give good reason why man in scripture wanted women to keep silent. Many of those women were trouble makers and liar's always starting trouble in the Church. Not even under grace can you hold your tongue.
---mary on 3/8/10


Kathr ... I think Shawn is male!

But he says "Sister, I don't speculate or assume those things, that why I'm able to Rightly Divide the Word !!"

I'm not sure that it is "rightly dividing the word" to say that Christians can't fornicate. Some clearly do, and have been proven to, and have admitted it.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/8/10


Shawn MT, you assume we are all STUPID here.

We are talking about fornication, Shawn, living in sin without being married. I specifically asked your opinion about fornicating Christians, those living together before marriage involved in sexual relations. You say it is impossible for a Christian to do that, or God no longer looks on us in the flesh, or that I shouldn't look on outward appearance. Yet we are told in Ephesians to ABSTAIN form all OUTWARD appearances of evil. You even rebuked me using the woman taken in adultery saying I shouldn't judge.

Then you use Elijah as an example ...GOOD GRIEF....No way was Elijah fornicating with a widow woman.
---kathr4453 on 3/8/10


-- Kathr :

You assume the widow sustained his sexual needs? --Kathr

Sister, I don't speculate or assume those things, that why I'm able to Rightly Divide the Word !!

1 King 17:8-9 The LORD came unto him, saying, get thee to Zarephath, and dwell there, I have commanded a widow woman there to sustain thee.

Kathr, If going from sharing the Meat of God's Word, to giving you the Milk of its explanation, b/c you're unable to Rightly Divide its Spiritually Discerned meaning(1 Cor. 2:14), is explain it away, then SO BE IT !!

FYI~Paul rebuke the Son for coveting another man's(his father's) wife. Learn the Word and I won't have to explain away the wisdom of man's teachings you hold so tightly !!
---Shawn.M.T. on 3/8/10


Kathr, --- You even mention Shawn by, he/she, to bring to question who Shawn MT is. Like he must be lying about his name also. You only think of dirt everyday. Filthy dirt, and you want others to join in with your filthy dirt.
---mary on 3/8/10

mary, you need help. Shawn can be either a man or woman's name. I really don't know if Shawn is a man or woman. Nothing about LYING about his name.

mima is another people are confused as to whether mima is a man or woman. No one has accused anyone of LYING there.

But about lying mary..you said you didn't KNOW living together was WRONG. You said after many years of STUDY you changed your mind. You also said your husband left you for another woman.
---kathr4453 on 3/8/10


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There is no such thing as a fornicating church, one must be married to Christ, His Bride...then James calls those Adulters and adultereses who are friends with teh world after coming to Christ.


mary, you are the one putting your life here. But I would like to thank you for doing so. You pose the perfect example of Calvinism vs SIN and the continued argument Arminians and Calvinists have concerning SIN.

Acts 15:20
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, ---

1 Corinthians 7:2
Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

The NT is FULL of these warnings to Christians.
---kathr4453 on 3/8/10


Kathr, you never stop your rediculous and rude comments. You even mention Shawn by, he/she, to bring to question who Shawn MT is. Like he must be lying about his name also. You only think of dirt everyday. Filthy dirt, and you want others to join in with your filthy dirt.
---mary on 3/8/10


Shawn T, I didn't see one mistake in your answer on fornication. That believers are not fornicators is because they are children of God. Fornication is separation from God. Rejection of the Lord by faith. As Israel is. You were discribing Spiritual fornication.
I understood very well that when you answered Lawrence you were telling him that the fornication Lawrence was talking about, the apostate church, was fornication of the flesh.
Nowhere did you state that Christians now can commit sexual fornication because they are christian, for if they are saved, children of God, they know they should not be fornicators. They are lead by the Holy Spirit. That is very obvious unless someone wants to distort your message again.
---MarkV. on 3/8/10


Shawn ... But you did say "We as God's Children cannot be Fornicators"

What does that means, then?

There's plenty of evidence to show that some are.
---ala8566_of_uk on 3/8/10


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Kathr ... Maybe brother Shawn is saying that if a Christian lives with someone before marriage, seduces another's wife, or steals, or lies, or murders, or lusts ... they are not really sinning.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/7/10

Alan8566, it would seem after ShawnMT continued on here, that is EXACTLY what he/she is saying. He/she has a peculiar way of explaining away sin.
---kathr4453 on 3/8/10


Please pring: #2

SahwnMT, here is the verse you quoted. Did you read the whole story. Do you know how blasphemous it is to take something so innocent and turn it into a lie. You assume the widow also supplied and sustained his sexual needs as well? And your quote from Corinthians, tells me you are a Gnostic....that the flesh can sin without consequence? Why then did Paul rebuke the man who wanted to marry his fathers widow?

Your double talking is becoming quite evident here ShawnMT!

1 Kings 17:9

9 "Go at once to Zarephath of Sidon and stay there. I have commanded a widow in that place to supply you with food.
---kathr4453 on 3/8/10


-- Kathr :

Sister, If you're in Hope of Rightly Dividing this matter, then remember what Jesus stated in John 8:6 He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Do you look on things after the outward appearance? If any man Trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's(by Faith), even so are others. 2 Cor.10:7

In 1 King 17:9, the Lord sent Elijah to dwell/live together with a woman, so Elijah & the woman would be sustained. So what you're calling fornication is not Fornication, and to claim that it's a sin to live together without being married or that they're not of the Lord, is erroneous and by no means God's Word !!
---Shawn.M.T. on 3/7/10


-- Kathr :

Now I'm confused ... ALL the Calvinists defended her? --Kathr

Sister, Your confusion stems from the fact that we weren't discussing this issue : So don't be confused !!

... and Why are you telling me about what 'Calvinist' think in regards to this issue, when it's irrelevant & unrelated to the matter, seeing how neither one of us is a Calvinist .... or at least I'm not, are you ??




--- Alan of UK :

Maybe brother Shawn is saying that if a Christian seduces the wife of some one else, or steals, or lies, or murders, or lusts ... they are not really sinning. --Alan

Brother, No ~ that's not what I said !!!
---ShawnM.T. on 3/7/10


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Kathr ... Maybe brother Shawn is saying that if a Christian lives with someone before marriage, seduces another's wife, or steals, or lies, or murders, or lusts ... they are not really sinning.
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/7/10


Kathr ------We as God's Children cannot be Fornicators b/c we're not separate from His Spirit which dwells in us.
---Shawn.M.T on 3/6/10

ShawnMT. Now I'm confused. Not to bring up a touchy subject, but we have one here who claimswhen becoming a Christian LIVED WITH her (whether christian or unsaved boyfriend??) outside of marriage without conviction from the Holy Spirit it is sin. If her live in was saved, he wasn't under conviction either, OR she lived with an unsaved man ,being unequally yolked and still no conviction and eventually married him. ALL the Calvinists defended her? Are you saying she was not really a Christian? or are you saying God overlooks all sin in a Christians life, bringing NO CONVICTION whatsoever?
---kathr4453 on 3/7/10


lawrence -- My question is like that of Alan of UK's

In the garden of Gethsemane Jesus prayed
twice using the same words.

Matt 26:39
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Was Jesus praying to Himself?
How do you explain "I will" and "thou will", why two wills?
---Donna66 on 3/6/10


-- Kathr :

Can I now STEAL b/c I'm in the spirit and not in the flesh?---kathr4453

Sister, Meekly receive the Word of God I shared with Lawrence, and you will Rightly Divided that "they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh, but we that are after the Spirit, mind the things of the Spirit" : and God's Children being spiritual & trained in the Way(Pro.22:6), do not pursue/mind the things of the flesh, like stealing or even the world's fleshy definition of fornication !!

Spiritually Discerned, Fornication is being completely separated from God's Spirit. We as God's Children cannot be Fornicators b/c we're not separate from His Spirit which dwells in us.
---Shawn.M.T on 3/6/10


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Lawrence ... I don't know much about the Jesus name churches.

But you say there's only one true living God and that is Jesus Christ.

In that case, who is Jesus's father? Was it Joseph? The Bible does not seem to say so.

But you are anti-trinitarian, so presumably you don't agree that God the Father is the father of God the Son (i.e. Jesus)

So where did Jesus come from, if He was not the Son of His God father.

& if Jesus is the totally the same as God the father, why did Jesus pray to him ... it's recorded in the BIble.

Can you help?
---alan8566_of_uk on 3/6/10


There is less of Jesus name churches in the world. Fear ye not little flock for you are the fathers good pleasure. There's only 1 True living God & Jesus Christ Is His name.
The spiritual fornication of the trin-relig-org's churches continues on. The disagreements goes on.
There is more of the Man-made relig-org's-churches in this world. The devil has Many-Big Flocks.
I love you people, this for Sure & Certain, you peoples blood is not on my hands.
---Lawrence on 3/6/10


Lawrence :

Fornication is having sexual relationships when that man-woman not being joined together in legal marriage.-- Lawrence

Brother, What you've shared about Fornication is right only within the fleshy secular world : and they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh, but we that are after the Spirit, mind the things of the Spirit, -----ShawnM.T. on 3/4/10

EXCUSE ME Shawn MT. Are you saying that Christians in the Spirit can fornicate? .

Fornication= before marriage, leading to unwanted pregancies. Young Christian girls and boys can and do endulge their fleshly desires, called SIN.

Adultry = after marriage.

Can I now STEAL because I'm in the spirit and not in the flesh?
---kathr4453 on 3/6/10


Lawrence, try studying the original language that the Bile is written in. Maybe then you will see that God IS one God with 3 parts to him. We did not divide God up he was "US" from the beginning, or maybe you haven't read Genesis?
He wasn't talking about angels when he said "et US make man in OUR image". Who do you think he was including? The fish?


Anyway, Josef, that was a great post, very great truths, brother.
---miche3754 on 3/6/10


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Applicable In both the natural and spiritual sense, to commit fornication is to act the harlot. It's a covetous mindset that seeks to buy or sell that which is meant to be freely given and received in love.
Spiritually, It is a way intermingling the Fathers' truth and way with the traditions, precepts & customs of a sensually based religious system that originates from a greed for monetary gain, personal recognition or self satisfaction.
It's Idolatry in the sense of lusting to possess, revere, pay homage or give honor to any tangible object based on a sensual perception of the object.
Within the body of Christ it is this type of lust that leads to a self seeking exploitation of the members of that body.
---Josef on 3/6/10


In the O-Testament scripture says, hear o Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord. They called God Jehovah, Elohim & other. I dont find where they devided God into 2-3 god's or more.
This devision started with the rrc the first trin-church, the mother apostate church & went down to her apostate daughters churches. God has NO part of thes Man-made rlig-org's churches. These Are spiritual adultery churches which came from here, Matt.15 v 9, 2nd. Cor.11 v's 14-15, Rev.17 v's 4-6. These Are such Good people but So spiritually darkened.
---Lawrence on 3/6/10


---Lawrence on 3/5/10
Concerning this post....

Says you about the 3, not the Bible.
The Bible plainly says there are 3 that witness in heaven and that the 3 are 1.
You can deny God's scripture and face the judgement you are speaking of yourself, me I will stick with what God says. and HE says the 3 are 1.
3 parts to ONE very BIG God. 3 manifestations of ONE very BIG GOD. Father, in heaven, Son(Logos, the WORD became flesh, Jesus) and the Holy Ghost sent back to comfort and to teach us all things. All parts of ONE God, 3 parts of ONE God.
---miche3754 on 3/5/10


While The One & Only Lord God, Jesus Christ Is His name, with His Church is in heaven.

The Man-made trin-believers will be in the judgment seats with their Man-made trin-gods because of their spiritual fornication & prob will try to get out of it on their way to the lake of fire, But, it'l be to late for them.
---Lawrence on 3/5/10


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Well, Rickey,
The questions does say "What is YOUR definition of fornication?"

I gave my definition.
Anything that can cause damage to a person's physical self.
That includes(to me) physical, and mental abuse, any kind of sexual sin.
I believe God has a very serious definition of fornication as seen by how he calls his people, Israel, fornicators for having other God's above him.
I believe as Christians we should have God's standard not our own.
It is understandable though, that some take it more serious than others.
---miche3754 on 3/5/10


Thank you Richard...I agree totally with what you said, "why do we always look for complicated answers,the answer is obvious,Fornication:any kind of sexual activity outside of marriage."

Take 1Corinthians 6:18-20 for example, many use it out of context saying it is wrong to drink a beer,etc. althought the scriptures are only referring to sexual sins that were taking place in Corinth. Folks get to "super spiritual" with something so simple.
---Rickey on 3/5/10


1Cor 7:2 Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Seems pretty clear that one definition according to the Bible is 'knowing' someone that is not your spouse.
Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Whereas adultery is the sin committed against the spouse.
---MIchael on 3/5/10


Lawrence, how many times did Israel commit fornication against God? see the OT for this answer.
Answer that and you have what you seek.
Shawn is right.
Fornication in God's eyes is way more than just sexual acts. It goes beyond our flesh.

And God is 3 person's in one.
He even says so.
"Let us make man in OUR image".
God is the father, the Logos(word,Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. "these 3 bare witness in heaven".
You should not ignore scripture, brother.

As for my definition of fornication, it is the same as God's, which is as it should be.
---miche3754 on 3/5/10


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Yes, men & women commit fleshly fornication.

From the beginning of of The Word of God to the end of The Word of God, there is only 1 God.

I'm not wavering here about spiritual fornication & or adultery. Spiritually is where trin-leaders are teaching 2-3 god's & or persons in a god-head. Which is here Matt.15 v 9, 2nd. Cor.11 v's 14-15 started with rrc the mother apostate church, down to her apostate daughters churches, the episc, naz, presby, luth, bapt, method etc then to here, Rev.17 v's 4-6.
Such Good people but so spiritually darkened.
---Lawrence on 3/5/10


--- Lawrence :

Fornication is having sexual relationships when that man-woman not being joined together in legal marriage.-- Lawrence

Brother, What you've shared about Fornication is right only within the fleshy secular world : and they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh, but we that are after the Spirit, mind the things of the Spirit, b/c to be carnally/fleshy minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is Life and Peace.

So what part of "Which things also we speak, but not in the words which man's worldly wisdom teaches", didn't you understand ?? 1 Cor.2:13

Lawrence, You have yet to share the Rightly Divided Spiritually Discerned meaning of Fornication !!!
---ShawnM.T. on 3/4/10


Shawn
A subject change here.
The worldly people & the trin-people are 1 & or The same. You take a look at the worldly dating-sites & the so called christian d-sites.
Both sites are So ate up with this worlds carnal pleasures (social-drinks, sports, smokes, dancing, missing services for movies etc, in the which the devil has control of) & there is No telling - seeing the diff from who is who.
What I said about fornication Is Right.
There is human fornication & spiritual fornication which are explained in my replies.
---Lawrence on 3/4/10


-- Lawrence :

Brother, Despite whatever twisting the world has tried to do to God's Word, we have received not the spirit of the world, but the spirit of God : so we might know the things freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's worldly wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The natural man(still being conformed to the world without the indwelling Guidance of the Spirit) receives not the things of the Spirit of God : for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them, b/c they are Spiritually Discerned. 1 Cor.2:12-14

Lawrence, Rightly Divide the Word, and stop listening to man-made false ideas of Fornication !!!
---Shawn.M.T on 3/4/10


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Shawn,

Brother, I have to Agree with Markv!!!!
Oh my, you laid it out didn't you.
Awesome teaching!
Just wondering though, some might not be ready for the "t-bone steak" you just put out their for them!

Just wonderful!!!!
---miche3754 on 3/4/10


From the front (beginning) to the back (ending) of God's Word Is 1 God.
Another aspect of fornication even adultery is also spiritually. Where trin-theologians - philosophers twist scriptures to teach the Man-made Falsehood ideas of the trin-god-head All because of here, 2nd. Cor.11 v's 14-15 beginning with rrc the mother apostate church.
---Lawrence on 3/4/10


-- Lawrence :

Brother, That's the world's secular understanding of Fornication which isn't Rightly Divided into God's Word !!!

To Truly Hear & Understand what the Lord is revealing about 'Fornication', pick up your cross and die to the illusion of the world's wisdom, no longer cling to it by being conformed to the world's definition of the word, and be ye transformed by the renewing of you mind through studying the 40 times Fornication & Fornicators appears in scriptures : and receive what the natural man cannot b/c it is Spiritually Discerned unto us who are the called of God.

Lawrence, Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made/kept perfect by the flesh ??

Grace Unto You & Peace Be Multiplied
---Shawn.M.T. on 3/4/10


Shawn T, great answer brother. I had just finish reading about just that concerning the Judiazers. Blessings brother
---MarkV. on 3/3/10


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Fornication is having sexual relationships when that man-woman not being joined together in legal marriage.
---Lawrence on 3/3/10


JackB ... Who's Ellen?
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/27/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

1Cor.10:5-8 shares how we're not to lust after evil things, committing the 'Fornication' 23,000 did when they fell in a single day from the path the others where traveling. Jude 1:15-21

A carnal mind presumes to think the evil act of 23,000 committed in that single day was premarital pro creation. While a spiritual mind Sees the Truth that they never turned to the Lord.

Fornication is the sin against our own soul 1Cor.6:18, and until we turn to & give our soul to the Lord we are considered fornicators.

Fornication ~ is the SPIRITUAL betrayal of being completely separated from God's Holy Spirit.

Adultery ~ is a PHYSICAL betrayal, in any way/fashion, of a vow to a spouse.
---Shawn.M.T on 12/27/09


why do we always look for complicated answers,the answer is obvious,Fornication:any kind of sexual activity outside of marriage.However if the world was in a perfect condition we would all be virgins marrying virgins and there would be no divorce.So.. we should be working out our salvation with fear and trembling(not easy,nor black and white)and remembering not to judge others,(its also unrealistic to expect "unsaved" people to go beyond the morals of the society/age that they are living in)..we are to be examples,the light in darkness!
---richard on 12/27/09


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Ah well trivial matter. You might be right.
Sin is sin to me anyways.

Hope you caught that Ellen
---JackB on 12/23/09


JackB ... Your original definition "So if married man slept with a single woman he would be a fornicator and she would be an adulterer" indicated that only she would be an adulterer.

That was not quite correct, since they both are.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/22/09


I still dont get what made you think my thoughts were different from yours. UNless you just wanted to call me out on something.

Ah well
---JackB on 12/21/09


I have asked God this question before 1991/1992. HIS_1st_reply: What is the greatest commandment?.My reply: Thou shall love your neighbour as yourself (Matt.22:39 as i was feeling unworthy/unqualified then to tell HIM Matt.22:37). HIS_2nd_reply: The unmarried girl is your neighbour's wife. I have created with different qualities and abiliies. Your experience of other girls will make you think your wife is incomplete except I help you. (Please if you are female, change the feminine in God's reply to masculine as it is applicable to all).
---Adetunji on 12/21/09


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JackB ... Prickly today??

No you did not mention involuntary, and that was not really paert of my clarification of your original incorrect definition of adultery.

I added that last paragraph as a foot-note (and thought I had made that clear) just in case someone else jumped in and said that victims of rape were adulterers ... and in fact that is a beleif which is not restricted to Islamists. There are many B-ACs who insist that only girls who "ask for it" get raped. It's all part of the male supremacy which they justify by selectively quoting from the Bible
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/21/09


Im sorry Did I say the word 'involuntary' somewhere?
---JackB on 12/20/09


JackB ... "So if married man slept with a single woman he would be a fornicator and she would be an adulterer"

No ... Adultery is "voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a person who is not their spouse"

The term applies to the (joint) activity. Both are indulging in it so both are adulterers.

It's also fornication (by both)... but that term also applies to all sexual activity outside marriage, so would include two single persons indulging.

Note "voluntary" ... so the victim of rape is not an adulterer or fornicator, although Islamic culture punishes the victim rather than the perpetrator.
---alan8566_of_uk on 12/19/09


Ive always thought of fornication as joining yourself with one you're not permitted to join with. Whether that be spiritually or sexually. And since joining sexually with someone also joins your spirits...

Adultery is joining with that which is reserved for another person. Sleeping with another person's wife /husband.

So if married man slept with a single woman he would be a fornicator and she would be an adulterer

I guess (shrug)
---JackB on 12/18/09


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first let us not forget our LORDS important statement....For it is not good that man should be without a wife....to most of us it is a powerfully installed desire to both physically desire and just as importantly to find love in your partner, but sadly sometimes divorce becomes inevitable....BUT we are still carrying those installed desires!!....and this is when a believers mind can become terribly distraught even to the point of::::is this why JESUS added that clause somewhere...that it is sometimes better one commit a smaller sin rather than to burn with desire and commit a worser thing? Please enlighten this sufferer. x richard
---richard_jackson on 12/16/09


how sometimes are we really meant to think whilst suffering with our conciences after divorce when also in the Bible Soloman had 300 concubines and 700 wives and David slew the husband of a woman he desired and had his way with, also slew thousands of prisoners he could have let live if probably just to become slaves....my mind boggles: these are apparantly of GODS choosen also, anyway Praise be to GOD first all and for ever. Guess we must realise just how tiny our way of thinking must be in any comparrison. x Richard
---richard on 12/16/09


The word "fornication" is sometimes used in a symbolic sense in the Bible, for example, meaning a forsaking of God or a following after idols (Isa. 1:2, Jer. 2:20, Ezek. 16, Hos. 1:2, 2:1-5, Jer. 3:8-9).
cc
---Andrea on 10/25/07


Under Appetite

Drunkenness
Revellings

Under a spirit of bondage - all addictions
Cigarettes
Drugs
Alcohol
Compulsive behaviors
Driving desires
---Michelle on 10/25/07


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Fornication falls under 'Works of the Flesh'.
The root of fornication is sin.
Gal 5:19-21

Works of the Flesh - Lust, Impiety, sins of temper, appetite

Under Lust

Adultery
Fornication
---Michelle on 10/25/07


My personal defintion of fornication extends deeper than most.

For example I see smoking and drinking as examples of fornication, but would never tell anyone it's for them to think that way. Every man must be convinced in his own mind.

To me fornication is any action or word that the Holy Spirit didn't want for me, and if you want to live well you have to set your mind that way. Discipleship is discipline in meekness.
---Pharisee on 10/25/07


John "Fornication ... but adultery is still fornication. An example is when Jesus said that divorce was allowable but only in the case of fornication."

If you are correct, then the proper Christian way to escape a marriage is to commit adultery so that you would be free to marry your new lover. After all, you just gave adultery as the acceptable exception to the prohibition on divorce. But Jesus continued to say that remarriage after divorce was adultery, NOT fornication.
---lorra8574 on 4/20/07


Fornication, refers to unmarried people having sex, or can be a spouse and an unmarried person.

Adultery, refers to voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband. Just to set the record straight, informative eh?
---Cynthia_1 on 4/7/07


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"Fornication", and also "lechery", are old words which both mean "whoredom".
---Eloy on 4/7/07


It means "FOR NICK"S SAKE"because something meant to be Given as a gift by God for His purpose has been debased & made ugly By Nick the deciever.To complete a trick in Nick
---Emcee on 4/6/07


Pharisee: I understand what you are saying.
And it does answer EXACTLY what the question asked for...YOUR definition.

notlaw's post would be correct IF the question was "What is THE definition of fornication".

But Ellen wants to know how WE understand and use the word in our daily lives.
---NV_Steve on 4/6/07


Jack, for my own purposes I do that yes, as I said It's not for you. Thought someone as understanding as yourself would see what purpose that serves in someone's thinking to abase oneself and deny pleasures and gain a closer walk with God.

I would never impose such a teaching as "correct." Maybe I shouldn't share my thought life?
---Pharisee on 4/6/07


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The word Fornication covers all sexual sins.
The word Adultery pinpoints one sexual sin.
The Bible indicates a type of fornication when people go after other Gods, and that could actually be a habit.




---Elder on 4/6/07


Fortification is a lesser charge then Adultery and must be contrasted to Adultery for it's precise definition. At the time of Christ Adultery constituted copulation between to married parties not married to each each other. Sexual relations between a married party and a single party or between to single parties constituted only fornication. This was the precise Rabbinic interpretation and any other interpretations are by definition false and void.
---notlaw99 on 4/6/07


Fornication usually refers to sexual sin. When married people do it it may be called adultery but adultery is still fornication. An example is when Jesus said that divorce was allowable but only in the case of fornication.
---john on 4/5/07


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