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Mount Of Transfiguration

At the mount of transfiguration after God spoke and said, "This is My Son, My Chosen One; Listen to Him!" Christ was standing alone. Is there any significance or symbolism to the spirits of Elijah & Moses disappearing?

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Betty: ALL is from the Bible. Quiet "rapture", a lie.

"Every Eye Will See Him"
"As lightning flashes from east..."
"With the Sound of a Trumpet"
"With a Shout"
"With the voice of the Archangel"
"The Heavens departing like a scroll"
"A Great Earthquake"

"One taken, one left"...One taken alive the other left dead. "Two sleeping" one resurrected the other left in the dust.
---TS on 4/13/07


The symbolism is that Jesus was the coming fulfillment of the prophets and the law. This fulfillment is the fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham. It is like the Father is giving the Son straight to the world from the transfiguration. From the transfiguratioon Jesus walks to Jerusalem to be killed
---johnlovesginalyn on 4/13/07


t.s....I never said anything about Jesus setting His feet on the ground. As for the Left Behind series, I can't say anything about them because I have not read the books and have only seen 2 movies. As for that verse you quoted, I believe it is talking about His coming to establish His Kingdom here on earth, but I don't know for sure because it doesn't specifically say. If your'e getting your knowledge from books other than the Bible, then I can see why say the things you say.
---betty8468 on 4/12/07


Betty: The Rapture Doctrine being proclaimed in the "Left Behind Series" is a lie. And it is being repeated in Churches all around the world.

"Every eye shall see Him." Note also that His feet never touch the ground in thoses verses. So if someone comes claiming to be Christ walking this earth realize that when Jesus Comes again it will be to take the elect and slay the wicked... His feet never touch the Earth at this time.
---TS on 4/12/07


t.s. no one will see it...? Matt24:37-42 2 men in a field, 1 will be taken another left...2 women grinding, 1 will be taken and 1 left. It will be seen according to these verses. I never said it would not be seen. I hope you are not basing what you say on a movie made by man, because man can only speculate. I can only give you what I believe the Word says and the verses on which I get my belief from. For all I know you maybe right, or I maybe. We'll find out when or if it happens.
---betty8468 on 4/12/07




TS. 1 Thes 4:16-17. The word "rapture" is derived from the Latin word "raptu", which means "caught away or caught up." This Latin word is equivalent to the Greek "harpaze", translated as "caught up" in 1 Thes 4:17.

This event, described here and in 1 Cor 15, refers to the catching up of the Church from the earth to meet the Lord in the Air. It involves only the faithful of Christ's churches.

Thats why we get the "rapture".
---Ramon on 4/11/07


betty: No Betty...the rapture crowd thinks no one will hear about it or see it. Poof and you are gone. Those Left Behind say "hey where did everybody go?" When in effect All that are left behind are left slain "by the brightness of His Coming." The Second Coming is the Loudest Event in the History of the Universe - No One will miss it. And no one will be taken secretly.
---TS on 4/11/07


TS. #2 You are correct, Enoch and Elijah was taken, body and soul, to heaven, without seeing death (II Kings 2:11; Genesis 5:21-24; Hebrews 11:5).

However, you also err when you said, "One sleeps in the dust."

The word "sleep", or "fallen asleep" is an euphemistic term used in the NT to refer to death. Thereby, your "soul-sleep" theory is incorrect and foreign in Scriptures. However, if you wish to believed this, be my guess.
---Ramon on 4/11/07


t.s. you just stated the"rapture theory" 1Thes. 4:17...then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up with them (the risen dead) in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air...That is what we who believe in the rapture get it from. Anyone alive at the resurrection of the dead in Christ will be taken up, not seeing death but being transformed. 1Cor. 15:50-54.
---betty8468 on 4/11/07


Ramon: Close but not exactly.

You are correct, Moses died and was resurrected. Elijah was taken in Body without seeing death.

Enoch walked with God "and God took him."

Moses' breath departed him and he died. The word spirit in its original greek and hebrew mean "breath".

Moses and Elijah are examples of Righteous when Jesus returns. One sleeps in the dust; the other, taken up without tasting death at all.
---TS on 4/11/07




1Thesolonians 4:16-17 "For the Lord Himself will descend with a shout, with the voice of the Archangel and the dead in Christ shall arise first. And those of us who are alive and remain will be taken up into the air to meet them...and so shall we ever be with the Lord"

So much for the "poof" where did everybody go "rapture" theory.
---TS on 4/11/07


Elijah was taken body and soul to heaven (II Kings 2:11). He like Enoch (Genesis 5:21-24; Hebrews 11:5), never experienced death (separation of the soul from body),but instead was taken to heaven.

Moses died (Deut. 34:6), and probably receive a temporarily glorified body, as do all saints in heaven (2 Cor 5:1).

Thereby, only two people in the Bible never experienced death, but instead was taken into heaven. They are with the angels, and the saints who have died in a state of grace in heaven.
---Ramon on 4/10/07


Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him. Gen 5.24
By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, and was not found, because God had taken him; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God. Heb 11.5
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints Jude 1.14
---Charles on 4/10/07


Then it happened, as they Elijah and Elisha continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 2 Kings 2.11

(God said...) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD. Mal 4.5
---Charles on 4/10/07


And they the priests and Levites asked John the Baptist, "What then? Are you Elijah?" He said, "I am not." John 1.21

I Apostle John looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven.

And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this." Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne. Rev 4.1-2
---Charles on 4/10/07


1st Cliff: Jack is right. Elijah didn't see death. He will come back to earth to be one of the witnesses along with Enoch. They will warn people about God's wrath and they will have the power to do all things. After a period of time people will kill these witnesses and rejoice over their death. All men are apointed to die once. After these men saw Moses and Elijah on the mountain, Christ told them to tell no one about the vision they've seen.
---Rebecca_D on 4/9/07


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#3 He was one of the two men of whom we read in the Scriptures that were translated without dying. Therefore we may plainly see their connection in this Kingdom scene. They figure the dead in Christ who will be raised from their graves and those who will be translated at the coming of the Lord.
Peter, James and John, didn't realize the significance of the vision. Peter would enshrine the saints as equal with the King, which is out of the due order of God.
---Debbie on 4/9/07


#4 Moses and elijah had to leave in order that Jesus would be seen as the all important one to Jews and to us also. God did say, this is my beloved Son, Hear yer Him. God had to take Moses and Elijah out of the picture in order to emphasize that Jesus was all in all, greater than all the old testament saints and prophets. The Jews were not ready to accept Christ and were still placing to much importance on those like Moses and Elijah when God was giving them their Messiah.
---Debbie on 4/9/07


Maybe I am missing something here, but Jack is correct. Elijah was taken up to Heaven in a whirlwind. He did not die.
---Helen_5378 on 4/9/07


#1 Jesus took Peter. James and John with him and before their eyes appeared Elijah and Moses with Jesus in their glorified bodies. The lawgiver and the prophet of old are talking with Jesus. They have known Him for ages. These men have a special relation to each other. They represent the law and the prophets, which continually witnessed of the necessity of the death of Christ. And they
are now on the mount with the Son of Man.
---Debbie on 4/9/07


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#2 We read in another Gospel Record (Luke 9:31) that they were talking of His decease which He should accomplish at Jerusalem. One of those men died (Moses), and God buried him (Deut. 34:6); but as he is seen on the mount of transfiguration, he must have been raised from the dead. No doubt it is of this resurrection, that we read in Jude 9, the devil disputing with Michael as to the body of Moses. Elias, or Elijah went up to heaven in a chariot of fire.
---Debbie on 4/9/07


Jack; Elijah never died?? That's a good one Jack, where do you suppose he lived for those thousands of years?? Nothing ambiguous about Moses, scripture says he lived for 120yrs. Because no one has found his body does this add some mystique to his death?
---1st_cliff on 4/8/07


The vision on the mount was given as visual confirmation of the coming together of the law, represented by Moses, & the prophets, represented by Elijah, in Christ as their fulfillment. "This is My Son, My Chosen One; Listen to Him!" The law & prophets fulfilled their purpose of opening our minds to our errors, our need of a savior & subsequently pointing us to Christ. Man searched the scripture thinking eternal life was found therein, however they simply testify of Jesus who holds eternal life.
---joseph on 4/8/07


I'm not certain which version you are referencing. All translations I checked said that Jesus was called "The Son," which would denote His specialness of Person. A "Chosen One" could have been anyone called to the post of Savior. Jesus was uniquely The Son - the only Savior.
---ed on 4/7/07


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First off, it was not just the "spirits" of Elijah and Moses present. Remember, Elijah never died, and scripture is ambiguous about what happened to Moses.

Had God spoken when all three were there, would there not have been doubt about which was the Son?
---Jack on 4/7/07


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