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What Is Fair And Right

Can the concepts of fair, right and wrong, justice and righteousness be determined by human logic; or does the truth of these concepts rest solely with the sovereign God of the universe and can they only be determined by Him?

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 ---Ryan_Z on 4/9/07
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You answered the question yourself. The TRUTH of these concepts rest solely with the sovereign God of the universe. Why? Because His word is truth, He is truth, and anything outside of God's and His word is truth mingled with an opinion.
---donna6598 on 2/23/08


"That statement is made from limited human understanding. Until you concede that the fallen form is unaccptable to GOd we have nothing to talk about.
---Ryan_Z on 4/13/07"

Just when I was getting ready to participate I got disqualified!
---Nana on 4/14/07


Man apart from God has no concept of fair, just, etc. Isa 55:9. Prov. 3:5-6 speaks of the wisdom leaning on God and not our understanding, even our heart is deceitful (Jer. 17:9). Weve missed the mark of Gods righteousness and His decrees. We cant have those concepts you speak of because we are selfish, greedy and seek our own comfort. The only good that is in any of us is from God and without God there is no good. James 1:17
---Gloria on 4/13/07


Pharisee, Here is a perfect example of my question:

**To say that God despises human form makes God illogical to create it in the first place...**

That statement is made from limited human understanding. Until you concede that the fallen form is unaccptable to GOd we have nothing to talk about.
---Ryan_Z on 4/13/07


Pt.2 With the understanding being based on sensual perception of the outwardly tangible. The knowledge & misconceived wisdom gained thereby is then used as a method of rationalizing our judgments & divisions, & justifying our prejudices. There is none good but God, none evil but Satan. Each influences mankind. We are to choose each moment of the day whom we shall serve. Then discern within ourselves the source of our own influence rather than trying to judge it outwardly.The Father is the judge.
---joseph on 4/13/07




As mankind the knowledge & understanding of these concepts starts & ends within each one of us. The thought from which an action stems & the motive behind the thought can only truly be discerned by the person experiencing the thought. As finite beings limited by our own thoughts, perceptions & understanding, good & evil, right & wrong etc. are at best vague ambiguous concepts we have given ourselves to know based on what is conceived and conformed to by our finite minds as qualifying as such.Cont...
---joseph on 4/13/07


We can think, and do what we will/can. God has given us the ability to make chices. But He is sovereign, and He determines what is right, fair, wrong, just, and unjust for us all.
---lynet on 4/12/07


We do the best we can with what we've got, but God is sovereign and has the final word.
---NV_Steve on 4/12/07


"human logic that has concluded that all babies go to heaven."
I disagree, I can hear the angels booing you now. Brother, this is thuggery.

To say that God despises human form makes God illogical to create it in the first place, if all the love and life he created and loved was to burn in hell at early death why would God create that child?

Would you have a baby and keep him in the oven? By the way Ryan I intend to wear out your eyes with idiotic responses like this one-KIDDING
---Pharisee on 4/12/07


ryan,all the issues you state when done in the flesh are mistake ridden.we are sinful creatures we do things that aren,t fair,arent right,that are wrong.
---tom2 on 4/11/07




#1 Pride Stinks, I am not trying to prove babies will be torched. It is actually human logic that has concluded that all babies go to heaven. It is human logic that says babies are innocent. It is human understanding of justice that says God cannot hold babies accountable for being conceived and born in sin and being, by nature, children of wrath.
---Ryan_Z on 4/10/07


"Can the concepts of fair, right and wrong, justice and righteousness be determined by human logic"

Ryan, can't you see, that's exactly what you are trying to do in proving babies will be torched. Truly I can think of only two possible ways this issue plays out, and to me that sounds like a 50/50 chance at being a false teacher.

Good luck with that.
---Pride_Stinks on 4/10/07


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