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Speaking In Tongues Fake

My mom says speaking in tongues is fake, but my aunt says it's real. Both are Christians. Which one is right about speaking in tongues?

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I have faked speaking in tongues so, yes, it can most definitely be fake. I was 8, had no idea what these people were doing and was instructed to repeat the alphabet in order to speak tongues.I have also spoken in tongues by accident during extreme heavy praying in my room.At a horrendous Sweet 16party, my friends decided to get into a circle of 20 and start praying, and then start speaking in tongues. I politely ducked out of the circle after 10 uncomfortable minutes of nonsense, went back to the campfire and roasted marshmallows while the others continued to "pray" aka lie to look pious for an additional hour. I have to say it Exzucuh, it is sort of ironic to read someone admonishing all Science in an INTERNET forum.
---Kristen on 7/19/09


It's confusing, right. God is not the Author of confusion, therefore not the Author of modern "tongues." It's a manmade teaching based on ignorance of scripture. If you are a child of God by faith in Christ you already have the baptism of the Spirit. No tongues to it.
---MIMI on 8/7/08


I beleive what the 2nd Chapter of Acts has to say about it.
---Cynthia_1 on 5/13/07


How's this for a gift, that would be lisa, frank, karen, mary and now mark, rehashing her stock statements about the spiritual gifts. I've heard you say all of that before lisa.
---Discern on 5/10/07


mark: Glad you see through them...that would be testing the spirits my friend. Good for you :)
---TS on 5/10/07




Ok...TS thanx for putting that extra bit of info in of glorifing yourself w/ your gifts...now i understand...umm but yea i would say a majority of people in the churches i hang around in do not use it to glorify themselves, but as i said talk to God which is the primary purpose of tongues when its not being interprated...but yea i'm know there are people who like to show how pious they are by doing it
---mark on 5/9/07


Spiritual tongues are very controversial. I've been in church that talked in "tongues" and I've been in baptist churches that almost get to a point of mocking that. I believe you can be fooled into babbling. But, I also believe that you can be in the grips of despair and make wierd noises in prayer. I do know, that based on the Bible, "tongues" means God enables you to lead to Christ those who do not speak your language...and always end in someone getting saved.
---Cheryl on 5/9/07


Mark: No, Actually Paul did say not to use tongues in Church to show how glorified you are with gifts but to use the gift to reach the unbeliever. He admonished them to stop the nonsense in church.
---TS on 5/9/07


Exazpr: Science is not an abomination to God. Good science is always in harmony with God's Word.

I should know, I hold more than 40 Patents in various branches of science and do not ascribe to the religion of evolution.

Test the Spirits as the Word Commands.
Emotionalism is not the basis of Faith, just ask Job. If emotion were the test he would have been lost but instead he kept God's Word, in spite of what he was feeling.
---TS on 5/9/07


I am a convert from Islam and live in Turkey. It feels great to speak in tounges. First time experience made me feel like "i surely did not belong to this world"... We all are children of God and belong to His kingdom.
---olcay on 5/9/07




TSshow a verified example. As a teen I would tape pentacostal meeting, we would make up stuff, get intrepretations. Its all the release of endorphines. Paul said to test the spirits, and wee did, I still have them tapes after 20 years.
---MikeM on 5/9/07


I think that if u pursue the spiritual gifts you can get them all to a certain degree...some will just be stronger than others etc...and if you excirsise your gifts they become more refined etc...
---mark on 5/8/07


---MikeM on 5/8/07
What are you even in a Christian discussion for?
science is unacceptable to God and Paul as he told timothy, You might as well quote the wisdom of the vulcan spock from star trek your science is heresy and all who follow it will go into the lake of fire prepared for the founder of your science, to follow jesus
you must lay down your worldly wisdom crucify it come out and be separate
---exzucuh on 5/8/07


Actually TS...paul never said that that shouldnt happen in the church he just said be quiet...go ahead if your in your pue speakin tongues all you want to God just dont speak really really loud like your speaking to the congregation...never ever does he say not to do it...
---mark on 5/8/07


Mike, From the outside it may be the same thing...but where the difference is w/ expreince is the source...Shamans etc... get it from satan Christians get it from God...they're all true expreiences just not all from God...this is why we cant relly always on experiences/feelings thats why you gotta test it
---mark on 5/8/07


catherine, he doesn't have any.
He just comes here to dump because the mormons have probably had their fill of him. It's the same old stuff he spills every time he's here. Evolution, tongue speaking is fake and a couple others.
---Toby on 5/8/07


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All Spiritual gifts comes directly from the one True God. And they are only given to true believers. What are yours?
---catherine on 5/8/07


MikeM: Someone Speaking in Chinese and another hearing Him in English is not an "emotional, beat hyped" phenomenon. Science can not explain it away. Some are simply willingly ignorant of God.
---TS on 5/8/07


Maturely dealing with the issue itself;
native Americans, shamans, hindus, Sufi's" pentacostals all experience exactly the same. The cultural rhetoric used to discribe the effect is vastly different but the experience a bio-chemical reaction, stumuli to beats and rythems. Much scientific study of it has been made.
---MikeM on 5/8/07


exlax: I simply quoted scripture. So Who is it that is showing you a fool?

Test the Spirits as God Commands.
Mindless Blathering is not from God. Paul declared that such should not happen in the Church. Tongues are for the edification of the Unbeliever and not for glorying in self.
---TS on 5/8/07


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This is a funny one. People rarely change their mind in this topic and all the scriptures that can be mentioned have been mentioned. I can only tell you of my experience. I used to think i had tongues and for literally years i spoke in them but i came to a realisation that it was glossalia. I then realised it wasn't tongues and have since stopped. I don't mind what your opinions are of me but i just felt i should share my story
---johnlovesginalyn on 5/8/07


TS...i'm pretty sure most people have already said this before but please read now and listen...when people speak in tongues to the church they really arent speaking to the people next to them...honestly they could care less about what the person next to them thinks they're speaking to God...when people purposely get up and starts talking very loudly or in the front toward the congregation...then that verse applies... of course Paul wants them to understand b/c hes in the front speaking a message to them
---mark on 5/7/07


They were Fools, but I am the servant of Jesus Christ and you are calling me a fool, therefore
you will be accountable
1 Thessalonians 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
---exzucuh on 5/7/07


1 Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and (FORBID NOT) to speak with tongues.
he stressed the importance of prophesying but said don't stop speaking in tongues

tongues is a sign that follows believers
Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
---exzucuh on 5/7/07


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1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

DO you see that God has set this in the church coming after teaching. If God has set this, what do you think he he do to those who forbid it.
---exzucuh on 5/7/07


Exuck: Acts2:8,11-12 And how hear we every man in our own tongue wherein we were born? Cretes and Arabians we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. And they were all amazed.. saying What meaneth this?
Acts10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.
1Cor14:18,19 I thank my God, I speak with tongues..Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding that by my voice I might teach others also than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue!
---TS on 5/7/07


here's some more
whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.- Exzucuh

And Paul said, "For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise" (2 Cor 11:19)

And Paul said again, "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die" (1 Cor 15:36)

I guess Paul is in danger of Hell Fire.
---Ramon on 5/7/07


#2. The Scripture you referring too is "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment...but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (Matthew 5:22)"

Did you notice the phrase "without a clause"? Jesus was condemning the vindictive anger that would unjustly desire the death of another and calling one a "godless fool" in anger without a cause. This is not the case here.
---Ramon on 5/7/07


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Mathew: That is a lie; I said no such thing regarding a "temporary hell". Unquenchable Fire comes down from Heaven and Eternally removes Sin and the Sinner from existance "with no more sin death sickness or crying" ever again. God is Love and this is His "Strange Act."

Ramon: You are the one using a multitude of words calling me the fool.

Your fruits are showing.
---TS on 5/7/07


TS #2 Here words from the Bible:

"A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul" (Prov 18:7)
"A hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour" (Prov 11:9)
---Ramon on 5/5/07
here's some more
whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
---exzucuh on 5/6/07


TS #2 Here words from the Bible:

"A fool's mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul" (Prov 18:7)

"The lips of the wise disperse knowledge: but the heart of the foolish doest not so" (Prov 15:7)

"He that keepeth his mouth keepeth his life: but he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction" (Prov 13:3).

"A hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour" (Prov 11:9)
---Ramon on 5/5/07


TS.#3 It is you that have turned a conversation that have nothing to do with salvation into a "hell-bound" subject.

Maybe I should not talk to you anymore. I believe what the Bible said: "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him" (Prov 26:4)

---Ramon on 5/5/07


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Exzucuh:

Your doctrine not to test comes from Man not God.
---TS on 4/30/07
I am against a critical spirit. And your discernment theory is mostly that.
It is the Pastors duty to oversee the order of the service and who is in Gods will and to set them in order in a way that does not disrupt or cause division. There is no way to know what is tongues and what is not therefore you can not discern them, But you can know a tree by it's fruit and preacher by his doctrine.
---Exzucuh on 5/5/07


Speaking tongues means speaking in other understood language say u speak English and I speak Chinese. You speak your own tongue and I mine. Thats what it is .. not unknown funny language..no offence..Remember the Tower of Babel when God confused all 4 their insistence on going higher,He caused them to speak in many known tongues confusin others who couldnt understand it. Different tongues.
---jana on 5/5/07


TS, how can I love darkness if what I believe about Gen 6:1-4 has nothing to do with my salvation?

Why do you condemn people? Leon believe I and Matthew are "workers of darkness". Do you believe this?

Why can't you see your errors, condemning other people for "assuming" stuff when you do the same? "spiritual blindness"?

Again, will I go hell? Yes or no please. Don't dance around the question. But then again, I won't be surprise if you do.
---Ramon on 5/5/07


Yes, this blog was also a personal favorite of MikeM..
---Cindy on 5/4/07


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TS ,you believe in univeraslism(A temporary hell)which can affect our salvation yet you condemn others for believing in subjects that have nothing to do with our salvation. Why am I not suprised TS?
---Matthew on 5/4/07


The idea behind speaking in tongues is that it would be much better for someone to go upon the pulpit and preach several words from the bible than speak continually in tongues or at every opportunity. One would understand better, but people don't and they do speak in a unknown tongue but we are to try the spirit because not all are of God. One or two should speak but there must be A Interpretor for one to know if it from God or not and all the church should benefit not one person.
---Carla5754 on 5/4/07


ramon: No they are not. I've clearly shown yours to be. "Men refused the light because they love the darkness."
---TS on 5/4/07


TS, your teachings on Genesis 6:1-4 are pure presumptions (i.e., assuming angels can't procreate when no Scriptures states they can't; etc....)

Again I will stressed it again: Our previous conversation does not affect our salvation and God will not punish me. So please take your "consequences" remarks else where.

Will I go to hell TS for believing this? The simple answer "No". No Scripture state I will.

God Bless TS!
---Ramon on 5/3/07


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ramon: God have mercy on your presumption.
"A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump"
Eve's was just a little error but how great the consequences that mortal men reap when they presume on the Word of God consequences unforseen.
---TS on 5/3/07


TS, what I believe about Gen 6 does not lead to anything. Will I go to hell for being that angels were the ones spoken of in Gen 6? NO!God have mercy on you TS.
---Ramon on 5/2/07


in the bible speaking in tongues being ones own dialect of speech.

but speaking in tongues as the charismatics see it is not. right
---Nathanael on 5/2/07


I believe speaking in tongues can be real,but it is a very rarely seen manifestation just like raising the dead. Preaching in real languages previously unknown.Also paul makes reference to angelic tongues.So perhaps folks can have their own prayer language that may not be earthly or it may be a combo.Hard to tell if it is real or not.Even if it is not,I think it does no harm,I think God meets us at the level of our understanding and honors our heart-felt attempts.
---Judy on 5/2/07


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cont.I once "saw"inmy mind a series of words,that sounded Hebrew to me.I asked an old senile Jewish woman in a convalescent hospital,where I was working at the time,what it meant.At first,she said nothing,then as I turned to go,She said it sort of sounds like an old temple blessing perhaps interpreted Blessings(Greetings)from the Vine.I TOOK that as confirmation that Jesus the Vine was welcoming me into the fold.
---Judy on 5/2/07


cont.However,I do feel the tongues spoken at Church sometimes may be people just getting caught up in the emotion and trying to make the service feel more spiritual.Again I believe in speaking in tongues,I just beleive the real mccoy is more rare than what we see.Just like people being slain in the spirit and falling.I think more fall just too look more spiritual or they feel they should when the pastor lays hands on them.Only rarely do I think it is real.
---Judy on 5/2/07


ramon: I pray the Lord will reveal to you where the Angel "Nephillim" doctrine ultmately leads. It does matter. If it didn't I would not have continued that discussion for as long as I have. Best Regards. TS.
---TS on 5/2/07


* Ramon: What! We agree on something?! Must be one of the signs!!! LOL!*

Wow, we agree! LOL! Now I'm really scare!

But TS, we agree on many things. We both worship God. We believe in His Son Jesus Christ who died on the Cross for our sins. He rose from the grave the third day and ascended back to His Father in Heaven. I believe we agree on many others things as well.

We agree that OSAS is a lie. YES! We disagree on many issues. But we agree on the important stuff! God bless!
---Ramon on 5/1/07


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Ramon: What! We agree on something?! Must be one of the signs!!! LOL!
---TS on 5/1/07


The Bible said that Tongues is real, and still active in today's Churches. No Scripture teaches that Tongues or any other Spiritual gifts will cease at the end of the Apostles era. The Bible teaches that tongues is the initial sign of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.

The problem here that most assume that when one speaks in tongues, its from God.Thats a big "NO-NO". The Bible said we must test the Spirit. If you assume that tongues always comes from God, then you are deceived
---Ramon on 4/30/07


#2. Furthermore, tongues in the congregation must be accompanied by the Spirit-given interpretation that communicates the content and meaning of the utterance to the utterance to the community of believers (1 Cor 14:3, 27-28). It may contain a revelation, knowledge, prophecy or teachings for the assembly (cf. 1 Cor 14:6).

Speaking in tongues within the congregation must be regulated. The speaker may never be "in ecstasty", or "out of control" (1 Cor 14:27-28).
---Ramon on 4/30/07


Exzcute: What is your problem with following God's Word and test the Spirits?
Spirits Speaking in tongues are not exempt from this instruction:

1Jn4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God"

Anyone telling you to not test a spirit is teaching you to open the door to deception.

Your doctrine not to test comes from Man not God.
---TS on 4/30/07


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1 Corinthians 14:14-15 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

these two scriptures are self explanatory, praying in the Spirit is an unknown tongue his spirit is praying, he will pray in
tongues and with the understanding.
---Exzucuh on 4/28/07


What is the problem with you people and tongues?
It is, what it is, You can not change it, We do not have tongues as a doctrine that is taught,
because it is not a doctrine it is something the Holy Spirit does and has nothing to do with salvation or faith,no apostle preached tongues, they preached Christ and him Crucified and tongues came out of the mouth OF those who believed.
---Exzucuh on 4/28/07


the eunuch did not speak in tongues at his conversion or the Samaritans Philip called Peter to come and lay hands on them then they were Baptized in the Holy Ghost.
Philip only preached Salvation and water baptizm it is the same today many do not have the ministry of the Baptism in the Holy Ghost and fire and if you want it you have to find those who it is administered through.
---Exzucuh on 4/28/07


The reason many of you argue about these issues is the fact you have been taught mans doctrine about them, and the Pentecostals do not preach correct doctrine either and if you visited some of their churches you would find out that many of them are as quiet as a methodist church, also some southern methodist are tongue talking and have very charismatic services. Some southern baptist
shout the house down and run around the church. What ever example we have of the church is in acts.
---Exzucuh on 4/28/07


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If one insists upon using Jude verse 20 then every believer should speak in tongues and Paul said that wouldn't be the case. If that verse means one speaks in tongues when praying in the Spirit then it doesn't apply to everyone. Right? Some think praying in the Spirit means "in tongues" and to others it means "in accordance to His will" etc.. No doubt this is a gray area and can be taken either way. To each his own.
---DANNYBOY on 4/28/07


Spirits Speaking in tongues are not exempt from this instruction:

1Jn4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God"

Anyone telling you to not test a spirit is teaching you to open the door to deception.
---TS on 4/27/07


this is what you try the spirits for


Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that
confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
---Exzucuh on 4/27/07


this is what you try the spirits for

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.

He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

We are to determine who is Antichrist by discernment, if they do not Follow the doctrine of the Father and the Son believing that God sent his Son and he came in the flesh they are Antichrist.
---Exzucuh on 4/27/07


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DannyBoy: It doesn't seem like your confused. It seems you know the bible when speaking on tongues.
---Rebecca_D on 4/26/07


Danny Boy. Correct, the gifts were given for the building of the church. Note that tongues are a "sign" for unbelievers but also for the building of the church which are the believers. Also, are you and I not part of the church? and so If we speak in tongues between us and the Lord in private and we are building ourself, are we not building the church when we build ourselves? Jude:20 says this quite well.
---john on 4/26/07


We can not deny that tongues were a sign not for the believer BUT for the unbeliever and why. That we are reborn with a H.S. and that not all will speak in tongues for it is a tool to spread the word and bring people together not to cause problems like these. The rules say we should also have an interpreter on hand so that all may be edified. The gifts were given for the edification of the church not self.
---DANNYBOY on 4/26/07


We are told that every believer in Christ has the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:13-14), but not every believer speaks in tongues (1 Corinthians 12:29-31). Romans 8:26 states that the groanings of the Spirit cannot be uttered
---DANNYBOY on 4/26/07


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Exzucuh:

1Jn4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God"

I do not argue against the Word of God.
---TS on 4/26/07


Diserment is very necessary when interpreting whether certain tongues are of God. Paul says in corin. that though I speak in the tongues of men and of Angels and have not charity.... Satan and his angels were once God's good Angels. They can still speak and understand angelic tongues! You can not go by how nice the tongues sound or crazy they sound.
---valerie on 4/26/07


---TS on 4/26/07
you are the one that is deceived you are arguing with scripture, and will never change it, the scripture cannot be broken, the Jews argued with Jesus and one day as he came upon a fig tree he cursed it from the roots up because he found no fruit, to this day that curse is still on Israel for their unbelief.
to be in agreement with Christ will open the windows of heaven, disobedience will bring brass sky's.
---Exzucuh on 4/26/07


Exzucuh: So why do Pentacostals assume praise to God when the blathering starts? You can not assume it is of God because 1 Corinthians 14:14: For your "understanding is unfruitful."

Test the Spirits.

If you claim they are all praise God then you decieve yourself.
---TS on 4/26/07


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If they don't understand what their saying and it's the Holy Spirit giving the utterence. Then isn't that like saying their mind is bypassed and God is talking to himself. The H.S. moves they're mouths and sounds come out but they're minds are unfruitful. It sounds like the H.S. being God uses peoples voices to speak unknown words to himself?? I'm confused. How does that edify oneself or the church if this is what most claim to be tongues.
---DANNYBOY on 4/26/07


---TS on 4/25/07
No not all tongues

1 Corinthians 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
---Exzucuh on 4/25/07


Speaking in Tongues is real and for the believer. Mark 16:17.
Speaking in tongues releases mysteries. 1cor14:2
Speaking in tongues is one of the outword signs of being filled with Holy Ghost. Act2:4
Speaking in tongues edifies you, builds up your holy faith, your spirit man. 1cor14:4 Jude20
You wll not go to hell if you do not speak in tongues it is a gift.
---ValerieM on 4/25/07


mark: I tend to attribute everything to Jesus because "All Scripture is Inspired". I can quote many scriptures but have to search to get the numbers and the writers. So I will often say Jesus since He is the "Author and Finisher of our faith." Keep the Faith man....Seek Him dilligently and you will find Him. Kind Regards, TS
---TS on 4/25/07


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Of course I do
---mark on 4/25/07


When i think of Jesus's words, i just look at what he taught in the gospels...when john said it the Holy spirit was doing it...
I tend to see the different persons of God more separate than some people do...so yea your still technically right, but i would have said Holy Spirit...so yea mabye i just didnt htink about it enough...I may be young but i'm a bit more knowledgable than most christians my age...but head knowledge is worthless w/out experiencial knowledge
---mark on 4/25/07


ACTS:
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

Hmmm seems that "Tongues" are meant to be understood :)
---TS on 4/25/07


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