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What Does Purgatory Mean

Does the doctrine of "Purgatory" teach that Christ's atonement for our sins on the cross was not sufficient for our salvation?

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Lorra8574 - It is only the Blood of Jesus that He shed on the Cross for sin that washes a person totally clean from all sin. Purgatory does not exist. If it did it would make God a liar. Purgatory is a man-made heresy of the RCC. When people die they go either to Heaven or to Hell, and there is nothing in between.
---Helen_5378 on 5/14/07


Yes mima. That is exactly what that doctrine teaches. There is no such place as Purgatory. Like you said, If we believe in that lie, then you are actually saying to God, that Christ's sacrifice on the cross was not sufficient, and therefore if that is the case, then we are all going to hell. it's a big lie, that holds people at bay. Purgatory would never fit into God's plan. It's heaven or hell with Him. No in between.
---Tex on 5/13/07


To the blog question, What Christ did was sufficient. He did His part, now we must do ours. Our part is the second part of the Covenant. For a covenant to be valid, each party gives fully to the other. Christ gave His life for us. We are called to give our lives over to Him, to accept Him as our God and to live accordingly. But if after accepting Him and having all of our sins washed away with His blood, we stumble back into sin, we need to repent and clean ourselves off.
---lorra8574 on 5/13/07


P2: Purgatory is not Hell, it is a doormat where we can wash the stains off again. Who wants go into Heaven all dirty, or as some suggest filthy and disgusting with a white blanket over us to hide it. I want to be clean and perfect. It is possible, according to Catholic teaching, to avoid purgatory, but most of us are not that Holy.
---lorra8574 on 5/13/07


Bruno::who Am I to argue with a so enlightened Illustrious Person as Bruno.Who dwells in the depths of wisdom & knowledge unfortunately of the unsavoury Kind.You are right But do yourself a favour Pray for guidance.Just remember you passed by me once,& took no heed.
---Emcee on 5/4/07




I think purgatory is a room where people go to vomit, much like a lavatory...just kiddin. Actually, purgatory is just a false doctrine.
---Eloy on 5/3/07


Mandy, Limbo was never an official dogma of the Catholic faith. It was a popular idea held by many to deal with a matter that is not expressly dealt with in the scriptures in a good way. Based upon scripture alone, all unbaptised babies are damned to hell as there is no explicit provision for them. Some early Christians believed this was so, but many others had trouble with this. Most Catholic doctrines have a scriptural basis or presidence, this one does not and is subject to evaluation or revision.
---lorra8574 on 5/3/07


His eyes were opened and praise God he knows the truth now. What other reason is there?
---Rebecca_D on 5/3/07


Yes, I heard that about a week and a half ago. The Pope declared that Limbo does not esist, all of a sudden. I don't get it. Can anybody tell me what is going on?
---Mandy on 5/3/07


I think the idea of Limbo was taken from the OT bosom of Abraham and carried over into the current day and age for unbaptized babies/young children.Dont know if it was official doctrine like Purgatory or just a highly valued RC theological opinion.Nowadays,most folks dont believe in Limbo.
---Judy on 5/3/07




R.W....All sin is past...Christ died for all sin 2000 yrs ago...(future)
I hope you understand
---duane on 4/28/07


duane rom 3:25 for sins that are PAST
---r.w. on 4/27/07


Yeah, Emcee, what's up with your Pope? All of a sudden (last week) he says Limbo is not real anymore. There he goes, trying to play God again. I always knew your religion was messed up. Come to think of it, you don't act like any kind of Christian that I ever heard of. Your as friendly as that caring guy. You can't fool people, even non Christians. We know.
---Bruno on 4/27/07


Some think that Purgatory is like one of those pop up timers. The RCC says your not done yet, you have to toast the other side. Turn over.
---Lat on 4/27/07


Audrey::PURGATORY was NEVER meant for Babies You have been misinformed .this was before in the OT because of the sins of our first parents babies not baptised went to LIMBO not any more.The Gates of heaven were opened by Jesus's death & resurrection.
---Emcee on 4/27/07


Duane: At times the old nature raises up in a born again believer. It always will. And if a person does something or says something without realizing it and they put a stumbling block in front of a person, they have to ask God to forgive them. My past sins are forgiven, because I asked God's forgiveness. If I sin tomorrow (the flesh will) I need to repent of those sins and ask God to forgive me. If not than that would be unrepented sins. I don't need to pray about it, because I know God's word.
---Rebecca_D on 4/27/07


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Rebecca,
No real Christian sins all they want..Christians turn from sin because they are led by the Spirit to do good. We do good because we love HIM.
We are forgiven through HIS death. Thats how we stay saved. We are dead to sin now.
Our forgiveness is the foundation of our faith. To continually ask forgiveness of sin, is admitting Christ didnt get His work done and we are alive to sin.
I know you dont agree and I wont argue...Pray about it
---duane on 4/27/07


Yeah right, once forgiven for all times? Maybe Jesus meant for
us to say The Lord's Prayer only one time, being that we ask for
forgiveness in it?
---Nana on 4/27/07


Duane; So a person can do all they want, and they don't have to ask God to forgive them? What if they offended someone, and laid a stumbling block in front of that person? What if they have an ought against their neighbor? If that is what you say, then explain these verses. Pr 28:13, Mk 11:25-26, 1 Jn 1:9. If one repents, they ask forgiveness. Rev 2:5,16, 3:3. So if one does wrong, in God's eyes, they just look over it because God already forgave them, without that person asking?
---Rebecca_D on 4/26/07


God is Good
---Ryan_Z on 4/26/07


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Purgatory is another excuse to justify a compromise of anything less than the truth. The truth is Heaven or Hell.
---godsplan on 4/25/07


Mima, as usual, you're wrong.

"Pray so you will receive."
---Caring on 4/25/07


I think it's official now that Purgatory for babies has been done away with. I saw something of the sort in a newspaper recently.
---audrey on 4/25/07


Please take time to study this statement." hate to disagree but all Christians dont need to ask for forgiveness continuously...We ARE forgiven continuously.
If not, how do we stay saved?" In this statement is a great truth. And one of the chief sources of joy for the enlightened Christian.
---Mima on 4/25/07


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Duane>>> I am back and straight from God's lips are you ready? Repent or go to hell.
---catherine on 4/24/07


duane>>> You don't have to hate to disagree. The saved do repent and keep on repenting. How come? You see we keep on repenting due to sin. As long as we continue to sin, we continue to repent. They cannot ultimately keep silence about their sin and refuse to confess it and forsake it. As you know David was unable to do it. Also, God will start dealing with you about your sins and that my friend, is a big, big, OUCH.
---catherine on 4/24/07


Catherine,
I hate to disagree but all Christians dont need to ask for forgiveness continuously...We ARE forgiven continuously.
If not, how do we stay saved?
---duane on 4/24/07


Only by the Blood of Jesus christ are we saved!
---james on 4/24/07


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Anon 11, the doctrine of Limbo was never a solid position. The Bible alone would suggest that all unbaptised babies who die are damned, yet the Church is unwilling to accept that God would be that cruel and holds to the Mercy of Christ Jesus.

The doctrine of purgatory predates Christianity and first appeared among the Jews, so since we did not invent it, we are hardly in a position to denounce it. If it were indefensible in scriptures, it would have been discarded a long time ago.
---lorra8574 on 4/24/07


anon, it's a start. Even the fact that they are changing, is proof by itself that these were man made rules, from the beginning. Their own church which they cling to so dearly, is the one that's lying to them. But it's only a church (Organization). We are the church. I love the Catholic people, that's why I regularly witness to them. Some take offense and think that I'm attacking them, but I'm not, at all. Like I said, I love them, and when you love someone, you let them know the truth.
---seth on 4/24/07


I seriously doubt that the RCC would ever abandon their unique doctrine of Purgatory. They make heaps of money out of it by taking money from unsuspecting souls who think they are having masses said to get their dead relatives out of there. The RCC would go broke if they abandoned Purgatory. Stupid thing is that it does not even exist as God did not make it.
---Helen_5378 on 4/24/07


The Pope has now declared that babies 'amost certainly' go to Heaven if they die and has 'more or less' dispensed with the idea of LIMBO. Perhaps, in the not too distant future, he will make a similar declaration about PURGATORY. Could this be the start of getting rid of the 'traditions of men' and putting more faith in the WORD OF GOD.
---anon_11 on 4/24/07


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Caring - I would like you to tell me who you ask forgiveness from. Thanks.
---Helen_5378 on 4/21/07

I'll let you answer your own question.
---Caring on 4/24/07


Emcee - ("Jesus is in the Confesssional") -- Emcee, Jesus is not in the confessional. There is a roman catholic priest in the confessional, and he is not Jesus, he is just a mere man like everyone else. Have you ever wondered just what happens to the priests' and the pope's sins? Who do they go to confession to?
---Helen_5378 on 4/23/07


Emcee, I am still being quizzical. Father is not a name it is a title (y or n), Son is not a name it is also a title (y or n), Holy Spirit is not a name it is a title given to The Spirit that God (which by the way is also a title) imparts to believers who are repented and baptised (Acts 2:38). So my question is what is the Name?
---MARK on 4/23/07


Purgatory is not there. If you believe there is such a place, you are deceived.
---Bernard on 4/23/07


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Catherine, the thief on the cross shows that there is hope for us all, but this example neither refutes nor comments on purgatory. He had a true "death bed" conversion and according to Catholic teaching this repentent sinner should have gone straight to Heaven.
---lorra8574 on 4/23/07


Catherine-The conversion of the lost thief refutes the doctrine of purgatory.


Not really, as you know Jesus told him "Today you will be with me in paradise", and as you know Jesus did not go directly to Heaven, where did the thief on the cross go? Maybe a place call purgatory..
---Ruben on 4/23/07


Mark::That name is the Blessed Trinity Father Son & Holy Spirit one God.3 persons in one God.
---Emcee on 4/23/07


Any truely born-again Christian is going to continously ask God for forgiveness in the name of Jesus. It's the only way to heaven.
---catherine on 4/23/07


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Helen :: Your sins will never be forgiven. Because once a Catholic ALWAYS a Catholic so you Have to go to Confession,Jesus is in the Confesssional & sins are forgiven by Him through the mediator of the person or priest Representing Him,Telling your sins to the breeze will not absolve you of your sins.AMEN as a Catholic ex or whatever you already know that.
---Emcee on 4/23/07


The conversion of the lost thief refutes the doctrine of purgatory. All classes of humanity were represented at the cross:>>A.One was dying for sin. [The Savior] B. One was dying from sin. [The repentant thief] C. One was dying in sin. [The lost thief].
---catherine on 4/23/07


The false doctrine of Purgatory is one of the biggest lies of the Catholic Church. If you believe this lie that was orchestrated by the devil himself, then you are certainly not Born Again, which Jesus Himself said that you must be, or else you cannot enter the Kingdom of God. If Purgatory exsists, then Christ died on the cross at Calvary for nothing and we are all doomed to hell. If you believe in Purgatory, then you don't know the Word of God. There is no such place.
---. on 4/23/07


Rebecca, God's words versus mans words. I choose to take God at His word. Take the matter up with Him tell Him what your bible scholars have put in His Word and what they are telling Him He means. I see many who try to interpret the Word and tell us what God means when we ourselves are abiding in the Holy Spirit and He will lead us to all truth. God is not an optional God it is His Word, His way or the alternative.
---MARK on 4/23/07


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Emcee, What is that name?
---MARK on 4/23/07


In confession the words are "Your sins are forgiven In the name of the Father & of the Son & of the HolySpirit. go in the peace of Christ."who forgives your sins MIMA when you speak".To reconcile your self to someone you have to have someone to address your reconcilliation to.That is why Jesus instituted the sacrament of Confession or Reconcilliation.Some people will find it difficult to disclose their faults & failings.so they pretend to say I asked God for Pardon.JN20:19-23 LK13:5
---Emcee on 4/22/07


Catherine12345 - ("Actually, we do directly ask Jesus to forgive our sins; that's what confession is all about ") -- The RCC confessional has an RC priest sitting there and he hears the "confessions" of each person.
---Helen_5378 on 4/22/07


Caring - I would like you to tell me who you ask forgiveness from. Thanks.
---Helen_5378 on 4/21/07


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All people have to do is receive forgiveness.
We need not ask, its already available...
---duane on 4/21/07


*To all the RCs here - If you have not asked Jesus directly to forgive you of your sins, then they are not forgiven. God says what He means, and means what He says.
---Helen_5378 on 4/19/07***

And who do you think we ask forgiveness to, if I may ask?
---Caring on 4/21/07


To Helen::The post you submit is of your making Refer to Matt16::17-19 This is the TRUE CHURCH OF Jesus Christ GOD ALMIGHTY.
HE SAYS "MY CHURCH"
---Emcee on 4/21/07


Helen said: "To all the RCs here - If you have not asked Jesus directly to forgive you of your sins, then they are not forgiven. God says what He means, and means what He says."

Actually, we do directly ask Jesus to forgive our sins; that's what confession is all about
---Catherine12345 on 4/21/07


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*To all the RCs here - If you have not asked Jesus directly to forgive you of your sins, then they are not forgiven. God says what He means, and means what He says.
---Helen_5378 on 4/19/07***


Jesus said to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.
---augusta on 4/21/07


Helen 5378: Amen. Jesus told us what to do. That is how I KNOW that my sins are forgiven.

John 20:22-21: And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; [and] whose soever [sins] ye retain, they are retained."
---lorra8574 on 4/20/07


Mark: My bible refereneces explains Romans 9:13 as God denotes only a less degree of love. Because we know that hatred is a work of the flesh and will not inherit the Kingdom of God according to Gal 5:20-21.
---Rebecca_D on 4/20/07


Rebecca here is a (are) verse(s). Mal 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Ro 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
---MARK on 4/20/07


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Emcee: Yes I agree, the truth shall set you free. But you choose not to be free because you are still believing a lie about purgatory. I'll not be in hell, nor will I ever be in a make believe place such as purgatory.
---Rebecca_D on 4/20/07


Catherine: God cannot be the God of love and hate someone. He says in his word that he doesn't have any joy in the hypocrites. He also says that if the hypocrites cry out to them, he won't hear them and turn a deaf ear to them. God tells us that hatred is forbidden, is the work of the flesh. but nowhere do I read that God HATES anyone. You show every scripture that is in the bible about God hating someone. Not their ways, but that person. God's love is unfailing. Isa 49:15-16.
---Rebecca_D on 4/20/07


Catherine12345 - ("For sins committed after that, one repents and then goes to the sacrament of confession to be absolved of those sins.") -- Scripture says to go to Jesus for salvation and for all sins committed thereafter. What happens to people who are not RC then?
---Helen_5378 on 4/19/07


To all the RCs here - If you have not asked Jesus directly to forgive you of your sins, then they are not forgiven. God says what He means, and means what He says.
---Helen_5378 on 4/19/07


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catherine, maybe clear to you but you are very wrong. Repent means turning from your sins because you are in Christ Jesus. This is where the forgiveness comes in. The baptizing is an outword confession and commitment of your faith. A brand new Christian knows this. You should know that, if your one.
---Kevin on 4/19/07


Acts 2:38 "Peter (said) to them, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins"

It seems to me that this is quite clear, Helen. I think you are adding words to the scripture.
---Catherine12345 on 4/19/07


Helen said: "For all of those here who think that water baptism saves you, then surely every time you commit a sin you must then go get water baptised for it to be forgiven. Ridiculous."

Actually, Jesus is the Savior. You only need to be Baptized in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit once. For sins committed after that, one repents and then goes to the sacrament of confession to be absolved of those sins.
---Catherine12345 on 4/19/07


Catherine - Note that Acts 2:38 says to repent first and then be baptised. Water baptism is an outward show of what one has already believed. Therefore, one's sins are already washed away by the Blood of Christ before being baptised.
---Helen_5378 on 4/18/07


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Ruben - It is speaking of all sin. Sin is man's problem. When a person gets saved, they are forgiven of every act of sin they have ever committed.
---Helen_5378 on 4/18/07


Ashley - You have got it all wrong. Upon believing that Jesus died for your sins you are forgiven of all sins. Then when you get baptised in water it is symbolic of what has already taken place. That is that you died with Christ, was buried with Christ and have risen with Christ and are now already in Christ. That is all before baptism.
---Helen_5378 on 4/18/07


Lorra8574 - ("By being baptised we are being washed clean by the Blood of the Lamb.") -- No, that is not correct. Ephesians 2:8 says "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God". You are saved the moment you believe that Jesus died on the Cross for your sins. Water baptism is symbolic of what one has already believed.
---Helen_5378 on 4/18/07


Ashley - Forgiveness of sin precedes water baptism. Only the Blood of Jesus Christ shed on the Cross can remove sin. Baptism is symbolic of what has already occurred, that is that one has been crucified with Christ, buried with Christ and risen from the dead in Christ. It is all about Jesus and what He has already done on the Cross in His finished work there.
---Helen_5378 on 4/18/07


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For all of those here who think that water baptism saves you, then surely every time you commit a sin you must then go get water baptised for it to be forgiven. Ridiculous. It is all about the Cross and Jesus' Blood shed there for the forgiveness of sin.
---Helen_5378 on 4/18/07


Andrew S, it sounds more like you escaped from a Protestant church. Either that or you were one very confused Catholic.

Catholics are not the only ones who practice infant baptism, but the denial of infant baptism has become more popular among many Protestant churches. Apparently they have issues with Paul's suggestion that baptism is the new circumcision.
---lorra8574 on 4/18/07


Did you know that if we don't get baptised we are still saved through Jesus Christ. Most saved people get baptised, for this is an outward confession of our faith. We should get batpised, and most born again Christians do. Baby sprinkling means absolutely nothing. I was baptised as a baby but when I left the RCC and got born again I made the choice and got baptised for real. As a Catholic I actually thought my sins were covered. God gave me grace not to die in my sins. Prsise God!
---Andrew_S. on 4/18/07


Helen said: "Baptism has nothing whatsoever to do with the forgiveness of sins."

Acts 2:38 "Peter (said) to them, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins"

Rom 6:4 "We were indeed buried with him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might live in newness of life."
---Catherine12345 on 4/18/07


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sister ashley...That is not correct.Baptism does not forgive sins.
1 John 1:9 says: if we confess(not baptism)our sins,He is faithfull and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from al unrighteousness.
---JIM on 4/18/07


Helen, read all of the passages that I gave to George. It is by the Blood of the Lamb (Jesus and His Blood from the Cross) that gives baptism its special ability. By being baptised we are being washed clean by the Blood of the Lamb. The water is hugely symbolic of Christ's death and resurrection. Now I cannot speak for your tradition, but that is what the Bible teaches.
---lorra8574 on 4/18/07


Helen, I am not catholic, but do you really know what baptism symbolizes? When you are immersed in water, you are asking for forgiveness of your sins from Jesus Christ. He took upon himself our sins. When you rise from the water, your slate is wiped clean and you are reborn into your covenant with the Savior that you will live His gospel, repent of new sins you commit and live as an example of Jesus Christ from that day forward. If you don't repent, your sins will then condemn you.
---ashley on 4/18/07


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