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Do Sacraments Save Catholics

Please comment on this statement:" If you are Catholic and believe that Jesus died for your sins and was raised from the dead you are saved even if you perform the Catholic sacraments. However, if you believe the sacraments or your good life are going to get you to heaven you are lost.

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You need to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church (second edition)for the real answers to your loaded question. You obviously know little about the Catholic Church, and less about the Scriptures. If this were not so, you would be Catholic.
---Jerald on 8/30/10


Jesus says two greatest commandments: Love God and Love neighbour. That is what our life is all about. St Paul backs this up when he says Faith without Love is useless.
Faith and Good Works / Sacraments are part of our demonstration of Love to God. But there is more to Love than Faith and Hope (just look at Corinthians 13 for definition, above all to life and teachings of Jesus)
Salvation is a gift from God - pure and simple - but we accept the gift by living out Jesus' two greatest commandments.
---Ed on 5/22/07


You must be born from above, ofcourse. But let me type something here.>>> There is alot of beliefs in all denominations that I abhor, and so does GOD. Jesus Christ is not I shall repeat is not religion. For example I do not believe in putting down other religions, but obviously some religions do, do that. God is not impressed.
---catherine on 5/22/07


Warning Catholics about the false doctrine of the Catholic Church is an act of love. If we didn't warn Catholics, knowing that they have been lied to, then you can say we don't love them.
---Fmr._Catholic on 5/21/07


Dennis, it is true, things are not always what they seem. Even the demons in Hell believe in Jesus, are they saved?
---lorra8574 on 5/21/07




Emcee, I just asked where you got those names from. That was all.You have a way of avoiding questions.
---Dima on 5/21/07


Hatred has no place in a believer's life. I love Catholics but not their doctrines and beliefs. That's it. You must be born again. That sums it up.
---Robyn on 5/21/07


Amen, Dennis. I too was a Catholic who has been Born Again! There is nothing like it. Once you know the truth, you don't ever want to go back. There are many idols in the RCC. Why be tied to that? That is bondage.
---Tiffany on 5/21/07


Dennis

I am a Catholic and not everthing seems holy to me. In fact there a lot of things about its history that make me squirm - really squirm.
But, thankfully, there have been many Catholics who have maintained the true spirit of Christianity.
If there is one thing i loathe about the Reformation: it is Fide Solo. Anybody can believe. But our faith is about Love. St Paul says you can have faith to move mountains but if you have no love then faith is useless.
It's all about Faith and Love.
---Ed on 5/21/07


Sacraments do not save Catholics.

Belief in Christ alone saves a person.

Nothing else, and don't let anyone tell you differently.

Have you ever heard the expression..."Things are not always what they seem to be"? This is very true. When I was a Catholic (many years) everything apprared to look holy in the Catholic Church, but it wasn't, in reality. Holiness comes from God, through His beloved son Jesus Christ, my Lord and my salvation.
---Dennis on 5/21/07




Dima:: You keep Talking about Demons when you talk about Jesus we can resume our conversation.Till Then.
---Emcee on 5/20/07


Emcee-Dima: Dimaor Dimon

''Dimaor Dimon'' . Emcee, I don't know who or what this implies. If the only responses you have are juvenile, then I guess, I will be seeing a lot of those.By the way, where did you get that from?
---Dima on 5/20/07


Whoever said the Sacraments and good behavior will get Catholics to heaven? Since I was a child I have heard so many, many myths about the Catholic Church, and as it turns out, none are true. My belief is in our Creed which states that we believe in Jesus Christ, Son of God, crucified and rose and will return again.The Sacraments, along with our beliefs, help me live a better Christian life.
---Wesley on 5/20/07


Dimaor Dimon::What is this facination of you talking about Demons.Sorry "He who eats My Body & drinks my Blood I live in Him & He in me"Begone Satan.
---Emcee on 5/19/07


Dima, I am not taking it personally. I was wondering if you personally were able to perform miracles since you questioned whether I could or not. I have pointed out that there are those in my Church that have exhibited all of the gifts of the Holy Spirit and at times have performed the miracles of the Apostles, but not as a public display.
---lorra8574 on 5/19/07


Emcee, I agree with a part of your blog, but ignorance of the enemy is against the commands of God's word.Really, where have you been? the devil would love to see believers take him casually. I am not sure what you mean by ''dabbling in the underworld'' but if you've never had a beloved family member get set free from demons, you will not understand. Trust me, your whole outlook of the enemy of your sould would drastically change.
---Dima on 5/19/07


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Dima:: you may continue to talk of Demonds But I think it is more profitable to Talk about God His Message & His Truth for Salvation. I do not profess to dabble in the underworld & I Quote The Words of Jesus "Begone from me Satan you shall love the lord thy God & Him only shall You serve".
---Emcee on 5/18/07


Lorra, I'm not sure why you're taking this personally. I'm just stating what Jesus says. I never said my faith was great than yours. WHERE did I say that?
---Dima on 5/18/07


Emcee, So when a person is being prayed for and demons surface does that mean those witnessing that are not walking with God? Where have you been?
---Dima on 5/18/07


Dima, it is all relative. Peter had sufficient faith to dare to walk on water out to Christ, he faltered but put his faith in Christ. His faith was greater than all of the rest for none of the others even stepped out of the boat. Later, Peter could do everything that Jesus promised - he healed the sick, brought the dead back to life, cast out demons and spoke in tongues. His faith was great in comparison to my own. Other saints throughout history have shown similar abilities, even to this day.
---lorra8574 on 5/14/07


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Dima, since your faith is so much greater than mine, regale me with your great exploits - how many lame have you permanently cured, how many cancer patients are now in completely healed by your hand? Can the blind see and the deaf hear that have been in your presence?
---lorra8574 on 5/14/07


Dima, I never wish to speak in the Angelic tongue, nor do I need to heal physical ailments. But if I could reach out and touch someone spiritually and heal the wounds in their soul - that is the gift that I want from the Holy Spirit.
---lorra8574 on 5/14/07


Emcee, when you worded it this way, then I agree and I apologize I misunderstood what you had said. I have seen many miracles and been the instrument God used to heal people of their afflictions. not only physically, but also mentally. many people are ill spiritually too, it is not always physical. I thank God every day that I am always here for anyone needing help in life. I always try my best to live a righteous life and avoid temptation, so I am worthy to serve God and do His work.
---ashley on 5/14/07


Ashley::Read my Post again.I said no man has the power to heal except it be given to him by God.You have done exactly as I stated so God Gave you that power it was NOT yours.Where am I wrong?.Unless you have this power on a permanent Basis, then SIR you are a walking Saint.Sorry.Lorra Thanks .
---Emcee on 5/13/07


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Dima::If you walk with the lord He is in You & you will not be confronted by demons or Uncleanspirit.Matt8:29-32.The saying in English is Show me your Friends & I'll tell who you are.
---Emcee on 5/13/07


So now it takes ''great'' faith to heal? Last time I checked Jesus still says even with faith as small as a mustard seed we can move mountains ( that could be anything in our lives). It's not how much faith you have, but if you have ANY faith at all.
---Dima on 5/13/07


Ashley,only Jesus has the authority to forgive sins, yet this too He gave to His Apostles and their successors. Not everyone can heal, or perform miracles, but those with great faith and imbued with the Power of the Holy Spirit, certainly may. Perhaps Emcee did not express himself as well as he meant to, most knowledgeable Catholics are aware of great miracles performed by great saints - even today. Just not in stadiums while asking for money.
---lorra8574 on 5/12/07


Dima 'There's a saying ''If Jesus won't let you in through the front door, Mary will let you in through the back door ''.'

That must be a Protestant saying. I have never heard that one as it is not something that would work with Catholic doctrines.
---lorra8574 on 5/12/07


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And again, Emcee is wrong. Holding the priesthood of God, I have laid my hands on the sick many times and through the power of Jesus Christ seen them healed of their afflictions. To say no one has that authority denies Jesus Christ himself. The scriptures state clearly the apostles laid their hands on the sick and healed them. perhaps if you read more and talked less spreading false doctrines, you might learn something in truth. It makes you look very foolish. We want to hear truth, not false opinions.
---ashley on 5/12/07


The great saints of the Church have done amazing things, but often quietly. And anything they do is done solely with the aid of the Holy Spirit. Father Frecker in my Grandmother's parish, frequently healed those in need, especially during the Spanish Flu epidemic. But he never admitted to having any special gifts at all. He never held healing services and only visited peoples' homes when he needed to. He was known to be a man of great faith and demonstrated this by his actions more than his words.
---lorra8574 on 5/12/07


Emcee, you answered just as expected, you obviously haven't been confronted by demons face to face, if you have, you wouldn't be so casual. If that ever happens to you, what are you gonna do? Tell them to go away and hide under your bed? I'm also a woman, not a man.
---Dima on 5/12/07


The power I am talking about is not MY power, but is the power given those who BELIEVE by the Lord Jesus through His Spirit .That doesn't mean we go laying hands on pple whenever we want, but as He leads.If you don't have Holy Spirit power over the enemy, woe on you. The christian life is a life empowered by The Holy Spirit in every way.Ignorance is very costly.
---Dima on 5/12/07


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Lorra and Reuben, you gave the responses I expected . Thanks.
---Dima on 5/11/07


Jack, I don't think it's necessary to list all 7 of them here.
---Dima on 5/11/07


There's a saying '' If Jesus won't let you in through the front door, Mary will let you in through the back door ''. RCs may be nice, good people by the standards of the world , but if they have never had a direct confrontation with Jesus, and His Spirit bearing witness with theirs that they are children of God, all the religion in the world won't save them. God is God to all but NOT a Father to all.
---Dima on 5/11/07


Dima :: You are a confused man No one has the power to cure the sick by laying hands. This power you speak of is given by Almighty God if It be His holy will.BTY do you have that Power Answer honestly.
---Emcee on 5/11/07


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how can so many be so blind when it comes to the sacraments. Jesus instituted them so we would remember His sacrifice. Eat bread to remember His sacrifice on the cross, Drink the water or wine in rememberance of the blood He shed so everyone that repented could return to his kingdom. So many today do what they want, thinking they are saved. that is the greatest lie satan ever told. by remembering our covenants we make with Jesus, we have the strength to endure to the end.
---ashley on 5/11/07


"Lorra, and every other RC here, do you believe you have power to lay hands on the sick and see them raised up? Do you have power to cast demons out? ... Answer honestly.
---Dima on 5/9/07"

All of the gifts you describe are still present and active among Catholics in the RCC, but not all have the same gifts. My own grandmother was healed by a true faith healer (no money paid). My church still performs exorcisms. And miracles still occur.
---lorra8574 on 5/11/07


No...I do not feel the sacraments will save Catholics. If you believe Jesus died for your sins and was raised from the dead is only the beginning of being born again. You have to repent of your sins,you have to be baptized and then find a good bible-teaching church. I don't feel the Catholic church is a good bible teaching church. They deny the power of Jesus Christ by glorifying Mary. The Pope is God and the Holy Spirit is non-existent.
---Robyn on 5/11/07


Johannes>>> Bless you, I guess you told these people. And you are absolutely correct. Bite the dust, everybody.
---catherine on 5/11/07


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If you people would spend your time trying to prove what you beleive is what the scripture says instead of trying to prove the Catholic Church wrong you would be a lot better off and have a better understanding of the scripture, try it you may be surprised in what you find.
---Johannes on 5/11/07


I should have guessed that Ruben, and Dima, what I said to Ruben previously should have been directed to you. Jesus instituted and/or confirmed the sacraments, that is in the scriptures. While the sacraments do not save in and of themselves, denying them is not going to get you into Heaven.
---lorra8574 on 5/11/07


Dima,
In response to your question for Catholics regarding having the power to cast out demons or heal the sick that is easy - NO. Only the Holy Spirit has that power. Some have a healing charism but remember that our Lord warned those with that gift that their salvation is lost if they do not DO what He says (MT 7:21-27)
---Tom on 5/10/07


Ruben, when Jesus comes again it will be for the last time on this Earth and I won't need Him to tell me that the sacraments are lifted, but since He has not previously lifted them after having established them, they are still in effect. Jesus came to establish a Church not a mantra. Salvation is not complicated, Have ye not read the scriptures?


Lorrea I agree 100%, I was writing to Dima...Sorry about that!
---Ruben on 5/10/07


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Ruben, when Jesus comes again it will be for the last time on this Earth and I won't need Him to tell me that the sacraments are lifted, but since He has not previously lifted them after having established them, they are still in effect. Jesus came to establish a Church not a mantra. Salvation is not complicated, so why are so many turning it into a circus with no need for obedience, no need for communal worship services, for some no need for repentence? Have ye not read the scriptures?
---lorra8574 on 5/10/07


Ruben, see Matthew 16:18; Matthew 18:17; Read also the Book of Acts and all of the Epistles.

And particularly:

1 Timothy 3:15 "But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."

The Church is not a building, it is the living body of Christ and it has rituals and beauty and prayers and The Word.
---lorra8574 on 5/10/07


Mima::Are you creating a diversion in Dima,or is he a creation of yours as he sounds exactly like you.Do not play with your Salvation Dimmer & Meema.It is better to learn than emphatically deny.
---Emcee on 5/10/07


Dima-Lorra, when Jesus comes back, He won't be coming back to tell you whether sacraments are to be done away with or not, He'll be coming back for His own, so if that's what you're waiting for, you'll be waiting to no avail, why does the RCC like to complicate salvation? Jesus came to give us salvation, not RELIGION! Relationship not religion my friend!


And this God told you himself, please do not give me a theological, intellectual or a detach answer, just a honest one...Thanks
---Ruben on 5/10/07


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** Please, sacraments neither save Catholics nor anybody for that matter! They are filthy works before God,**

Dima, please explain, from the Scriptures how doing what Jesus Himself has commanded regarding the Sacraments are performing "dead works."

Also, tell us which exactly are the Sacraments.

Bet you can't!
---Jack on 5/10/07


Lorra, when Jesus comes back, He won't be coming back to tell you whether sacraments are to be done away with or not, He'll be coming back for His own, so if that's what you're waiting for, you'll be waiting to no avail, why does the RCC like to complicate salvation? You can't bring God down to your level and expect His grace. His way are much higher than ours! Jesus came to give us salvation, not RELIGION! Religion is dull, dead and boring! Yawn. Relationship not religion my friend!
---Dima on 5/9/07


Lorra, and every other RC here, do you believe you have power to lay hands on the sick and see them raised up? Do you have power to cast demons out? Do not give me a theological, intellectual or detached answer. Answer honestly.
---Dima on 5/9/07


Catherine,
There is truth in what you say about any denomination having people socializing instead of worshiping. You should go to church to help them. I would have your reflect on:
1 Tim: 15 if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.
---Tom on 5/9/07


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**I never ''knew'' you( meaning intimate knowledge, which is impossible without the Holy Spirit )**

Contrary to conventional wisdom, the Hebrew word YADA (know) has sexual significance only 10 in the nearly 1000 times it appears in the Hebrew Bible. That's just 1%. The corresponding Greek verb has such use even LESS frequently.

The rest of the time, they clearly mean "cognitive experience of"--"knowledge" in the ordinary sense, no special "intimacy" implied.
---Jack on 5/9/07


ALL::IF Jesus paid for our salvation by shedding His blood,enduring insults,blows,lashings is salvation just for YOUR ASKING??Think!!he who loses his life for my sake saves it & he who saves his life loses it.Where is your concerted effort?You want gain expect & accept Pain.All women know this.Sacraments are a guide to this salvation,WHY? God instituted each & every one.Sloth is a deadly sin.
---Emcee on 5/9/07


Taking Sacrament is an act of faithfuness to God. The world of God says that if you belive with your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus is lord; you will be save. The Catholic practice their confession it may seems redondant and unnecessary, to me it is an act of obidient and many people have being saved through their faithfuness
---Aanu on 5/9/07


**They are filthy works before God,**

More filthy works:

Invitation hymns
Altar calls
Revivals
Cantatas
Sermons
Sunday schools
Most pop-evangelical worship
---Jack on 5/9/07


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Dima, if Jesus did not like the sacraments He would not have instituted them. He is the author of them all. When Jesus Christ comes back and tells me that they are no longer in use, then I will abandon them without any hesitation. But until such time I will not let any man or woman lead me astray with their own private interpretations. Especially when those interpretations contradict the very Word of God as recorded in the scriptures.
---lorra8574 on 5/9/07


Dima-Please, sacraments neither save Catholics nor anybody for that matter!


Sorry, Jesus himself disagree with you on two of them John 3:5 "Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit" and John 6:53-54 "Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. "
---Ruben on 5/9/07


Helen:Rom10:9-10;You conventiently forgot verse 8 "The word is on your lips & in your heart"Helen what is in your heart -Contrition that is what a sinners prayer IS Repentance not just faith & belief & repetition.Your salvation is in your hands-Jesus said often"Go and sin no more".or you will be like the woman on the slopes,ski's pointing to heaven & backsliding uncontrollably to- as you so aptly named it the PITS!!
---Emcee on 5/9/07


Dima,
You are paraphrasing Mt 7:23 "I never knew you". Read verses 24 to 27 you will see that he is contrasting the difference between those who hear him but don't do anything and those who act on his words. He is judging based on what people do. This is not works of man but works of the Holy Spirit who uses man. Being open to grace is the key. Sacraments supply grace. To deny them is turning your back on a free gift from Christ.
---Tom on 5/9/07


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Please, sacraments neither save Catholics nor anybody for that matter! They are filthy works before God, when Jesus says ''Depart from me you workers of iniquity, for I never ''knew'' you( meaning intimate knowledge, which is impossible without the Holy Spirit ) and they say '' but we did this and that for you'' ( my paraphrase) Notice Jesus doesn't deny their works BUT THEM. Therefore, trust in your perfomance all you want, but you will be cast into outer darkness.
---Dima on 5/9/07


Lorra8574 - A free gift is a free gift and it is not given many times over. It is given once. That is what salvation is, a free gift.
---Helen_5378 on 5/9/07


Lorra8574 - The only time a person needs to say the sinner's prayer again is when they are coming back to the Lord after backsliding. The prayer you are thinking of is 1 John 1:9.
---Helen_5378 on 5/8/07


Jeremy::Sacraments were made by Man:correct but what was the name of this man was it Jesus??The son of God ?every sacrament has a biblical reference You find it & I will agree or disagree according to your finding.
---Emcee on 5/8/07


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Helen, Romans 10:9-10 is very good, but how is that your sinner's prayer, as in say it once and your done?
---lorra8574 on 5/8/07


Virginia, thanks, and as for Pope JPII, no one knew that better than him.
---lorra8574 on 5/8/07


"My Decision to Receive Christ As My Saviour:

Confessing to God that I am a sinner, and believing that the Lord Jesus died for my sins on the cross and was raised for my justification, I do now receive and confess Him as my personal savior."

I read and signed this declaration on the back cover of my KJV NT and Psalsm on November 15, 1973.

But I was born again and knew it, long before that.
---lorra8574 on 5/8/07


With the "sinner's prayer" you have basically set up your own ritual. Only this one is not explicitly in the Bible, you have only taken a passage and guessed at what it might refer to. There is nothing wrong with saying a sinner's prayer, we Catholics have many prayers to express ourselves that are not verbatum from scripture, and a few that are taken directly from scripture.
---lorra8574 on 5/8/07


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Pope John Paul II was a good man and a good pope.

When he arrived before the King of Kings, he looked like a plucked chicken.

All the vestments, grand robes, regal hats, finery, glorious rings were missing.
John Paul is not dressed better than anyone else now. No more kissing of the rings or bowing before him.

All worship will be for the King of Kings.
---Virginia on 5/8/07


If John Paul was able to communicate with us, which he cannot, the dead cannot visit with the living - he would tell you that God is not a respector of persons.

All the glorious garments, artwork, wealth cannot compare what God has reserved for those who love the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. There is no one who will be reverenced more than God. No representative of God on the earth will hold a candle next to Jesus Christ. No one.
---Virginia on 5/8/07


I don't believe in OSAS.
I see it is primarily the OSAS that are slinging arrows your way.
They believe they are the only ones chosen by God and will remain so for all eternity.

I have to ask the OSAS, the Catholics would be every bit as OSAS as you are, so why do you assault them? OSAS says that even if you become a witch/pagan in your lifetime, you're still OSAS, no need to repent and come back to God.
---Virginia on 5/8/07


For the believers of the OSAS theology, there is nothing a Catholic could do that would separate them from God. Nothing.

To the Rev Herbs out there that attack you, you are attacking your own, according to your beliefs.
You can't have it both ways, that OSAS only applies to you. That does not fly.
---Virginia on 5/8/07


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John Paul is no longer a pope in heaven.
He is now a worshiper of Jesus Christ with all the other disciples, peoples that are there.
I understand the 2nd resurrection of our bodies, and John Paul is there in spirit, our spirits are eternal. He was a good man, I liked him very much.

The sinner's prayer is not magic. It will save you.
Ceremonies, traditions, veils were put away when Jesus tore the veil from top to bottom in the temple.
---Virginia on 5/8/07


I like Catholics, I really, really do.

When you get to heaven, you will know that all mediators between God and man are finished, and have been for over 2000 years.
The pomp and circumstance that helps you worship here will be unnecessary. Jesus will show you the better way. You will only bow before the King of Kings, and never bow before a man again.
---Virginia on 5/8/07


Lorra8574 - Regarding the sinner's prayer, read Romans 10:9,10.
---Helen_5378 on 5/8/07


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