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Can A Baby Be Saved

"Romans 10:9-10 "That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Can a baby qualify?

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Here is another possibility.God will not reject anyone who has not rejected Christ.God knows the heart of a man,even before his birth.Perhaps God simply sees the "heart"of the child and knows whether he would accept Christ if granted the opportunity.For children of believers there does appear to be a special dispensation...the children are made "holy"as mentioned before.This would seem to indicate all children of believers go to Heaven and perhaps many of unbelievers based on their "heart".
---judy on 2/10/09

mathew: Thanks for the Help Brother.
---TS on 5/10/07

This is a gray area.However,as God is infinitely merciful and always said we must be as little children,I would tend to agree the little ones go to heaven.However,there is a scripture about babes being covered by believing parents.Another possibility is that God sees the future and knows if the heart of the childwould be turned toward Him or not.
---Judy on 5/3/07

Ryan you said in reposnse to TS, **Our God is not looking to see who He can keep out but rather looking for as many as He can get in!**

That must be why GOd says, "Many are called few are chosen."

TS is right for it is written

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
---Matthew on 4/26/07

"Many are called and few are chosen" is a truth given to us. It doesn't mean God wanted only those chosen to go to heaven. He wants everyone to go to heaven, but he is a just God and will send everyone who's sins isn't forgiven to hell. It's not His will for anyone to perish though! There are many things that happen that God does not want to happen, because most are lead by the Devil and not God.
---Matthew on 4/26/07

TS, I am not sure I understand your comment. Are you saying the words of Jesus, "Many are called few are chosen." Refered only to the Pharisees? How about the words of the CHrist, "Many will come to me in that day and say, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and cast out demons in your name and perform many miracle in your name?' And I wil say to them, 'Depart from me, I never knew you, you who practice iniquity.'"
---Ryan_Z on 4/25/07

TS, thge Parisees were called out by GOd not called to God. "Woe to you Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites..."
---Ryan_Z on 4/25/07

i believe that before the ageof understanbding a child is covered by his or herparents faith,asnd anyway a baby has committed no sin som surely has no need of repentance,and they cannoit pohysically confess can they? God will only send unrepentant sinners to hell babies do not fit that criteria
---doree4573 on 4/25/07

Ryan: The Pharisees were called but not chosen because of a "keep me, not them" attitude ;)
---TS on 4/25/07

Rebecca_D the fruit of every womb is blesed? Gifts from the Lord automaticaly qualify for entrance to heaven? God also formed Pharoah and predestined him to have a heardened heart so Gods wrath could be conducted. Where do you get the bleief that all human babies are worthy of heaven? Just becasue God formed them in the womb? God's claim of forming His prophets and children in the womb is not a declaration that all babies go to heaven it is an example of His omniscience.
---Ryan_Z on 4/24/07

TS, **Our God is not looking to see who He can keep out but rather looking for as many as He can get in!**

That must be why GOd says, "Many are called few are chosen."
---Ryan_Z on 4/24/07

I believe that God is not in the business of sending people to hell. An infant, I believe,has a clean heart and not only that but Gods grace is sufficent. Read Matthew 18:14& Matthew 18:10, this should answer the question.
---Jeff on 4/24/07

raine, rebecca: Amen.

Our God is not looking to see who He can keep out but rather looking for as many as He can get in!

"The Lord rebuke thee Satan." That means Jesus paid the price and "a reviling accusation" against newborns will not be accepted by Jesus, as He decides who is saved and who is not.
---TS on 4/24/07

Ryan: Where do you come up with such beliefs? While Elizabeth was pregnant with John, Her unborn baby was filled with the Holy Ghost, and it leaped in her womb. God said that he will bless the fruit of the womb, he told the parents the names of their children. God fashioned us while in the womb as servants. children are an heritage (gift) from the Lord. God also said that he knew us before he formed us in the womb, and he sanctified us and ordained prophets. what don't you understand?
---Rebecca_D on 4/24/07

Rebecca_D, **you said the children of unbelieving parents won't make it to heaven.*

No I didn't. The bible claims the children of non-bleivers are unclean. Ephesians says that nothing unclean will enter the kingdom of heaven. I can send no one to hell, all I can do is present scripture. I will not agree to disagree in any situation where truth is involved. I will agree that only the bible is correct and the bible says children of believers are holy and children of non-believers are unclean.
---Ryan_Z on 4/24/07

Raine, I do not believe anything that the bible does not teach. The 'age of accountability' is not taught in the bible. The only instance I have seen where age mattered for those who knew neither evil or good was when God banned every child of Israel over the age of 19 from entering the promised land. There is scant biblical proof that the age of 19 is a 'age of accountbility', other than that I would say the bible teaches the 'age of accountbility' as conception, If I were to believe in such a thing.
---Ryan_Z on 4/24/07

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#1 TS, **...will not destroy innocents...**

Romans 3:23 All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God.

Who is innocent? Also read Romans 5:12.

**...simply bent toward temptation.**

Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb; These who speak lies go astray from birth.

Sounds like an inherent condition found within man, not just a propensity or bend towards sin.
---Ryan_Z on 4/24/07

#2 TS, **the Spirit strives with them.**

Genesis 6:3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."

Genesis 8:21 The LORD smelled the soothing aroma; and the LORD said to Himself, "I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.
---Ryan_Z on 4/24/07

#3 TS, For further reading on the subject of man read Genesis 6:5 and Ephesians 2:3. How is it you can catagorize baby humans as innocent and detached from the entrenchness of sins? Do you not relize it is the inherent sin that condemns man not daily sins?
---Ryan_Z on 4/24/07

Ryan, do you believe in an age of accountability? An age where a child can reason and make decisions about their salvation? Some say 9, some say 12, some say it depends on the spiritual maturity of the child. Mentally handicapped children are capable of accepting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
You're not God and you're not in charge, I think you should let God decide if He holds babies accountable for sin. There's not one thing you can do about it. No one thing.
---Raine on 4/24/07

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Ryan Z; you said the children of unbelieving parents won't make it to heaven. I see and know God's mercy, you on the other hand are sending children to hell. lets agree to disagree. I for one serve a God of love and full of mercy and full of grace. This arguement won't go on, because we can't agree.
---Rebecca_D on 4/24/07

catherine, **All BABIES will enter the kingdom of God.**

And it says this in the bible where?
---Ryan_Z on 4/24/07

Ryan: Our God is merciful and will not destroy innocents simply bent toward temptation. Scripture shows there is a point of no return in sin.

Being born with a sinful nature does not mean it is permanent; the Spirit strives with them. The longer you go in sin the greater its grip. Children are less entreanched in sins than many born again Adults. Jesus was baptized for these and covers thier sins, rather than His own for He is sinless.

"Do not condemn anything before its time."
---TS on 4/24/07

We need to get off this kick. All BABIES will enter the kingdom of God.>>>>Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise. Christ is so far from being ashamed of the services of little children that He takes particular notice of them. Matt. 21-17.
---catherine on 4/24/07

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The care God takes of little children. [When they first come into the world the most helpless of all animals], The special protection they are under, should be acknowledged by everyone of us, to the glory of God, as a great instance of His power and goodness.>>>>With praises from children and from tiny infants, you have built a FORTRESS. It makes your enemies silent, and all who turn against you are left speechless.>>>>[PSA. 8,2.]
---catherine on 4/24/07

TS, **He knows which Children have hearts tuned toward Him and which do not.**

Well that is the thing now isn't it TS? No one has a heart tuned towards God; Our hard hearts of stone must be circumsized into a fleshy heart that has God's Law written upon it. No one is born with this heart it is given by God and for GOd.
---Ryan_Z on 4/23/07

(i) Rebecca_D I have never said the parents decide the salvation of the child. I Corinthians 7:14 only says 'unclean' & 'holy' that is the only difference that is made and it is the only difference I have claimed.
---Ryan_Z on 4/24/07

(ii) Rebecca_D, *So according to these scriptures your statement on "children won't make it to heaven because of their parents were unclean" is a false teaching.**

It is not that the parents are unclean that makes the child unclean. It is the judgement of mankind for Adam's transgression that makes mankind unclean.
---Ryan_Z on 4/24/07

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(iii) Rebecca_D, Why is it you can not see the mercy, love and kindness that God extends to the children of believers by decreeing they are holy? Why is it so many do not fall on their knees and thank God that the blood of His Lamb covers the children of the household?
---Ryan_Z on 4/24/07

(iv) Rebecca_D, Instead you complain becasue God does not give this mercy to all children. Jesus said that if you love sons and daughters more than you love Him you are not worthy of Him. NOt even Abraham loved his son more than he loved God and Abraham was willing to prove it.
---Ryan_Z on 4/24/07

Ryan Z: we know you read the bible, but apparently you don't understand what your reading. You either didn't read Ez 18 or you didn't understand it. If you read it and understood it you would drop your beliefs and believe the word of God.
---Rebecca_D on 4/23/07

#1 Matthew, you'r correct Jesus' approach was much more direct. He said that you must eat of His flesh and drink of His blood and many found that a difficult teaching and left. Jesus never said you must accept Him; the accepting is 100% on His side of the aisle. How is it you know how God works? If one is led to inform people that without the blood of the Lamb of God their marriage is unsanctified and their children are unclean; How do you know that is not what GOd intended them to hear?
---Ryan_Z on 4/23/07

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#2 Matthew, I discuss this, not for the sake of right and wrong, but for the sake of truth, that is what I have been commanded to preach from the Lord Jesus and I will not cease.
---Ryan_Z on 4/23/07

Rebecca_D, the verses you quote are directed to the house of Israel. Seeing that I am using scripture from I COrinthians and Romans and Ephesians to make my case, and that I am not in the land of Israel, the scriptures you quote are a moot point.
---Ryan_Z on 4/23/07

Raine, I need not mull over a finite man's position on babies. I read the Word of Truth written by an infinite God. What can finite man explain better than an infinite God?
---Ryan_Z on 4/23/07

Ryan Z, how many unsaved parents do you think turn to the faith because they are told "If you don't accept Jesus your Son will go to hell." Do you use that as a way to witness? If you do, just so you know, Jesus way is MUCH more affective. Repent and accept Christ or perish. Jesus' way works. This discussion will not bring people to the faith. In regards to witnessing this subject is pointless and unedifying.
---Matthew on 4/23/07

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Ryan,etal: Seems that God will Judge. He knows which Children have hearts tuned toward Him and which do not. Not all "Heathen" are so corrupted that they can not be saved.

Jesus was Baptized for these. Jesus did not have sin yet He was baptized in the Jordan. I think (based on some scripture and knowing God's Character) that some will be saved.

God didnt immediately order all heathen in the promised land to be euthenized:"Thier iniquity (had) not reached its fullness"
---TS on 4/23/07


Jesus didn't use that approach and neither should you. Jesus always said "YOU will go to hell if... " not "Your children will go to hell if....". Your dragging on with this subject goes much deeper then the reasons you have given. You seem to be worrying more about trying to prove you are right rather than actually bringing people to the faith.
---Matthew on 4/23/07

The alternative, Mama, is to say that babies and young children are in a state of "suspended salvation" until they come to the "age of accountability."

NEITHER concept the Bible supports.
---Jack on 4/23/07

From these Posts you're trying to outguess analyse, Understand God.Who are YOU?. He the creator asks Follow ME,become perfect. If we wish to reside with him we are going to HIS Kingdom. Remember what Happemed to Satan who thought He was the greatest.He is a merciful loving God. How often did he say "Oh ye of little faith"He gave us a church to follow Him & you all decry wrong false & now you want to know why he could NOT FIND 10 Righteous men Do you still want that Judgement?
---Emcee on 4/23/07

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MamaOr Mima::On the way to His death He was stopped by a crying group of women.He said "Women of Jerusalem ,weep not for me but weep for yourself & for your children" Every single word had a meaning SEEK & YOU will find .
---Emcee on 4/23/07

According to scriptures, the children are not to be punished for their parents sake. Jer 31:29-30. Ryan Z please read Ez 18:1-30. Especially verses 19-20. So according to these scriptures your statement on "children won't make it to heaven because of their parents were unclean" is a false teaching. The bible says to work out your own salvation. It doesn't say the parents will work out their children's salvation.
---Rebecca_D on 4/23/07

Raine, what the pope does or says is insignificant to me. God does not change His postiton to fit the current culture. I have no greater respect for the pope than I do for my neighbor. I love them both equally as commanded by the Lord Christ Jesus.
---Ryan_Z on 4/23/07

Ryan, are you mulling over the Pope's new stance on 'limbo', babies without baptism?
---Raine on 4/23/07

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#1 Matthew, you are attempting to marginalize a teaching found within the scriptures? Is anything that God wrote not worthy of discussion? I "Go on and on" about this subject becasue it is one subject that is dealt with, within the Christian community, with the greatest degree of dishonesty. Think of how many false beliefs there are when it comes to children and the false hope given to people, by Christians, that their unborn and aborted babies are in heaven.
---Ryan_Z on 4/23/07

#2 Matthew, If people were told the truth; that if you and your spouse are non-believers than your children are unclean in the eyes of God; than people would seriously have to think of the consequences, not only to themselves but to their family, of thier disobedience. And Christians must learn that if they love their children more than they love God they are not worthy of God.
---Ryan_Z on 4/23/07

Ryan Z why go on and on about this subject?
Why do you keep talking about this if you believe babies with unsaved parents are doomed anyway? What pupose does it serve? What is the point? There are much more important matters to discuss on these blogs.
---Matthew on 4/22/07

Ryan Z: Eve's intentions was not to disobey God. She desired to be wise, more knowledgeable. Gen 3:6. She was also tricked by Satan who told her that she surely not die. So she thought that the tree was good for food, and was pleasent to the eyes. Alot of people don't mean to sin, it isn't their intentions to sin. but yet they give in and disobey God. God doesn't forget that they disobeyed him. Eve sinned against God, I agree. But that wasn't her intentions.
---Rebecca_D on 4/22/07

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Ryan, no I am not suggesting that, you are. You're the one who said, "if I shoot at someone and my intention was to only incapacitate them but I accidently killed them, by your rationale I should not be held accountable for their murder becasue my intention was only to wound them, right?"
Weren't you trying to make your point by comparing the two?
---sue on 4/22/07

sue, are you suggesting that God takes note of how the US court conducts its judicial decrees? Aas if the creator looks to the creation for HIs guidance?
---Ryan_Z on 4/21/07

Rebecca_D, **When Eve ate off of the forbidden tree, she didn't do that to disobey God. She wanted to know what knowledge was.**

Let me paraphrase: Eve's intention was not disobedience she only wanted knowledge.
---Ryan_Z on 4/21/07

Ryan: As a matter of fact, The United States courts do put 'intention' as very important when handing down punishment.
---sue on 4/21/07

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Ryan Z: Don't think so hard, you might hurt your head. No that isn't what I'm saying.
---Rebecca_D on 4/21/07

Rebecca_D intentions do not determine how God perceives your actions.
---Ryan_Z on 4/20/07

Rebecca_D if I shoot at someone and my intention was to only incapacitate them but I accidently killed them, by your rationale I should not be held accountable for their murder becasue my intention was only to wound them, right?
---Ryan_Z on 4/20/07

Ryan Z; When Eve ate off of the forbidden tree, she didn't do that to disobey God. She wanted to know what knowledge was. Then her eyes were opened to sin. Just like us. How will a person know if what their doing is a sin unless they pray and ask God if it is a sin? Jack: how can a baby's heart decieve anyone? It is a baby. You can't just take one verse in the bible and understand it fully without reading above it or below it. Read Jeremiah 17:1-8 then read the 9th verse, to get a better understanding.
---Rebecca_D on 4/20/07

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#1 lora8574, your premise is that all children are born with faith in God, yet scripture does not support your thesis. Many times Jesus used examples of the natural for lessons in the spiritual, ie when Christ said, "You must eat of my flesh and drink of my blood." He did not mean cannibalism, this was an example of something in the natural for a lesson in the spiritual.
---Ryan_Z on 4/20/07

#2 lorra8574, Likewise when Jesus spoke of faith being as that of a mustard seed did He mean your faith is a mustard seed? Of course not. Again Christ used an example of the natural for a lesson in the spiritual. The same goes for His lesson of children. Christ, in no way proclaimed all children go to heaven. He said, "The kingdom of heaven belongs to SUCH AS these." He did not say, "The kingdom of heaven belongs to these."
---Ryan_Z on 4/20/07

#3 lorra8574, Christ was using an example of the natural for a lesson of the spiritual. We are to become children of the Father, not children of flesh but children of the spirit. You say I am looking at things with gentile eyes, yet in the bible we learn that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile. Are you suggesting I am not in Christ?
---Ryan_Z on 4/20/07

(i) lorra8574, I am trying to follow your line of thinking from what you have posted and this is what I have seen you saying, please correct me if I am wrong. From your point of view you are claiming that all children, regardless of their family, weather they are born to a muslim family, hindu family, atheist family, agnostic family or satanist family the children automatically have faith in Christ and the resurrection?
---Ryan_Z on 4/20/07

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(ii) lorra8574, And then what? At some point in their mental maturity do they lose this faith and need to be called by the Father so they may repent and be reborn in the Spirit?
---Ryan_Z on 4/20/07

Part 2 A convert to Judaism needed to be old enough to choose judaism, understanding what it meant and what its obligations were. But a child born to Jewish parents was admitted into the Jewish community as an infant (boys were circumcised at eight days). Jewish and Christian parents can speak for their children, but not for the children of unbelievers, which is why those children had to mature before converting. The earliest Christians were predominantly Jewish, not modern gentiles.
---lorra8574 on 4/19/07

Ryan Z, Matthew 19:13-15. Jesus said what He said. These were not spiritual children but actual children that He used as examples for us. True, we are not expected to become literal tiny children again, but it was their faith that He wanted us to emulate. Their faith was still fresh and untainted. We need to go back to that type of faith free from the attachment of sin that affects us more as we grow older. You are looking at this from modern, gentile eyes.
---lorra8574 on 4/19/07

#1 ashley, much of what is decided of the wickedness of man is found in the book of Genesis. This book is not the "Old Covenant" as you claim. The covenant with Israel is found in the book of Exodus. The glorious covenant that is found in Genesis is the covenant with Abraham; are you suggesting this covenant is done away?
---Ryan_Z on 4/19/07

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#2 ashley, When we speak of Genesis we are not speaking of the Old Covenant, we are speaking of the beginnings of the history of humanity; our fall from innocence and the wickedness of man. Please understand your bible history. man is still evil and wicked from His youth and the Spirit of God cannot strive with man becasue man is also flesh.
---Ryan_Z on 4/19/07

Nana, in Matthew who was Jesus addressing?Was it the Father? No it was humanity.Christ may have changed the rules for humanity but God is all sovereign and Jesus was not telling the Father what to do.I'm glad you bring up I Corinthians 7:14 because this is the one scripture in the new testament that distinguishes between children of believers and children of non-believers.Children of believers are holy, children of non-believers are unclean; that is the answer to the question of the fate of children.
---Ryan_Z on 4/19/07

We have to remember, God reconciled the whole world to Himself through Christ, NOT COUNTING mens sins against them.
---duane on 4/19/07

This is the same God? Well, no.
Deut 19 with its "eye for an eye..." got a makeover in Matthew
5:38 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye,
and a tooth for a tooth:
39: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall
smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
---Nana on 4/19/07

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It used to be that the children would carry still the punishment for
their parent's iniquity but in Ezekiel it stopped to be so. From
then on each man was to get His due, not someone elses. A good
thing indeed!
---Nana on 4/19/07

Romans 9:11: "(For the children being not yet born, neither having
done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to
election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)". Now,
speaking of Salvation for such a creature, what can be said? What
the veredict, Hell or Heaven? What is that creature, a Devil or a
Saint? It has not done a thing yet... If it is a sinner from conception
could somebody please state the sin or sins?
---Nana on 4/19/07

Rather I understand that the burden of sin is given or not to the
newly born by its parents at birth. Even so I do not find occassion
to hold the newborn accountable. I Cor 7:14: "For the unbelieving
husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is
sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but
now are they holy." That child is Born into holy and we know
that holy is the substance of the heavenbound.
---Nana on 4/19/07

Even a man discarding his wife (without occassion) makes her an
unsuspecting adulteress, per Jesus. Sin then has got to be most
powerful staining agent, capable of staining at a distance and with
no contact required! I think it was about the 'Stainer' of whom
Jesus said it would be better if some heavy stuff was tied about
his neck...
---Nana on 4/19/07

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Well said crystal. Jesus Christ is the new covenant. Speaking of His sacrifice, you cannot quote the old covenant. He is the one that was crucified and resurrected. Show me one person in the old testament that said they were the new covenant and was resurrected like He was. Show me one person who took upon Himself our sins in the O.T. For children, you ignor the O.T. because it was fulfilled in Christ. For children and mentally challenged like children, the new covenant covers them, not the old.
---ashley on 4/18/07

#1 To All, do you forget this is the same God that ordered Israel to enter the land of Cannan and destroy every man, woman, child and beast? Do you forget that this is the same God that destroyed Soddom & Gamorrah and could not find 10 righteous people within their cities? Do you forget that this is the same God that brought down the walls of Jericho slaying many?
---Ryan_Z on 4/18/07

#2 To All, The scriptures in Matthew, Mark & Luke do not procalim WHO will enter the kingdom, they declare HOW to enter the kingdom; not as children of the flesh but children of the spirit. Of course Christ loves children, the bible says that God so loved the WORLD He sent His Son. This in no way sets a different set of rules for children than the rest of humanity. Let's not forget they are still human.
---Ryan_Z on 4/18/07

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