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Obedience To God

I find obedience to God to be difficult. How can I overcome this obedience issue?

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Brethren, We'll overcome the issue of obedience when we Walk in the Spirit : then we shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh !!

The flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh, and these are contrary the one to the other, so that we cannot do the things that we would without difficulty.

Walking in the Spirit we present our bodies a Living Sacrifice, Holy, Acceptable unto God by not being conformed to this world, but being transformed by the renewing of our minds, that we may prove through obedience what is that Good, Acceptable & Perfect Will of God.

Grace Unto You & Peace Be Multiplied
---ShawnM.T. on 2/22/10


My feeling is that you might be referring to something specific that is a problem for you.Is it about the laws of Moses or a still small voice in you that you cannot obey? We all have to war against the flesh and God loves us anyway since in spite of that we are faithful. We all repent often(turn back towards God). Please let us know what you are having trouble with so we can pray for you and so that we can be specific in our responses. Just know that no temptation has overtaken you "which is not common to man" and that you are not alone. If we"confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness". Truth is that it is Jesus who is our righteousness. Keep trying.
---jody on 2/21/10


Love. When you love the Commander, then obeying his commandments is easy, your desire will be to do all that you can do to please him.
---Eloy on 2/21/10


Lee:

Joh 8:11 .... go, and sin no more.
---jerry6593 on 2/21/10


If you are a righteous person (have a peaceful and just spirit) that can be trained by God's spirit, and you want to have a DEEP/better devotion (more excellent devotion), you have to move on to maturity in Christ (spiritual growth) and learn to walk as a child of light so that you will no longer have to force yourself to be Godly (ultimatums of "OBEY" become technicalities/formalities).

Romans 8:16
"bearing witness with OUR SPIRIT".

1 Corinthians 12:31
"will show you a still more excellent way".

Ephesians 5:8
"walk as children of light".

In other words, stop being rebellious and become righteous, then "obedience" won't be an issue.

Verses from the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 2/20/10




//And they that heard [it] said, Who then can be saved? And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God. Mt. 19:25

So our salvation is in God, not in our ability to obey the laws of Judaism?

How horrible says the Judaizers who emphasis our salvation is from observance of Jewish laws.
---Lee1538 on 2/19/10


Paul//Whoever breaks the least of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever teaches them (the commandments/law), he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And Christ was speaking of OT law.

And those terrible people that made up the Jerusalem council (Acts 15) will become the least in God's kingdom since they did not not teach Gentile believers in Christ the need to be physically circumcised, certainly the 'least of all the law'.

Gen. 17:14 Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people, he has broken my covenant.

Perhaps you need to go see the rabbi with his flint knife?
---Lee1538 on 2/19/10


How was the Apostle Paul able to handle obedience? He said follow me as I follow Christ.
2 Cor 3:6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new testament, not of the letter but of the Spirit, for the letter Kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, in LETTERS ENGRAVED ON STONES, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?
---michael_e on 2/19/10


LEE hmmm how do you know that you are struggling with sin?

If you are struggling with sin, that means that you are having a difficult time with obedience to the ten commandments.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Lee you would have not known sin except the law said....

If there was no law to tell you what sin was, you would not know that you are struggling with sin.


1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
---francis on 2/19/10


Lee, that was a great answer you gave. I don't know why they cannot see these facts. I know they know they are not without sin. I know one person here thinks he is sinless but not the SDA's or those who want to follow the law. How can they miss all that is written in the New Testament? Is it pride, or is it that they just don't believe the New Testament Grace?
---MarkV. on 2/19/10




Paul - those who quote Mt. 5:18-19 do so bec they believe the church is still under the Old Covenant and not the New.(Judaizers)

They apparently believe all OT laws not found within the New Covenant, are still binding on Christians.

While salvation is by grace alone thru faith in Christ alone, their concept of grace is simply something that gives the capability to earn salvation by obedience to laws, not as a gift given freely by God. (eph. 2:8f)

And such hold true believers - those born again of His Spirit- do not become a new creation, that Jesus does not becomes our righteousness, sanctification & redemption. 1 Cor. 1:30

Hopefully, you will find yourself in the Truth, otherwise you will hear Mt. 7:23.
---Lee1538 on 2/19/10


frances //why are you having difficulties with: thou shall not steal, not covet, not kill, not bare false witness, honor parents?

Because I am not yet perfected in Christ and like the Apostle Paul still struggle with sin.

Romans 7:14 For we know the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin.

(7:20) Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

(7:23) but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.

Fortunately my Savior is Jesus who died on the Cross for my sins.

1Jo 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
---Lee1538 on 2/19/10


LEE
why are you having difficulties with:
thou shall not steal
thou shall not covet
thou shall not kill
thou shall not bare false witness
honour thy [parents?
---francis on 2/19/10


Matt 5:18,19

"For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever breaks the least of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever teaches them (the commandments/law), he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
---Paul on 2/18/10


The point is that simply not doing wrong, is good enough, JESUS wants us to activly do right.---Samuel on 2/18/10
passive good enough?
Luk 18:21 ...All these have I kept from my youth up. 22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. 25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 26 And they that heard [it] said, Who then can be saved? 27 And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me, and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
---MIchael on 2/18/10


francis -//1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

And the Apostles John tells us what those commandments are in 1 John 3:22-23

1) to believe in the name of His son Jesus Christ,

and to

2) love one another

This makes more sense since Romans 13:9-10 says love of neighbor fulfills the law.

It is shameful that when Adventists see the word 'commandments' they have to add to the Word of God by inserting the word 'ten' in front of it.
---Lee1538 on 2/18/10


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Totally agree with you Donna!
So true!
---miche3754 on 2/18/10


1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
---francis on 2/18/10


You can overcome the obedience issue by getting to know God, His Character, His Mercies, His Faithfulness to you, the depth of His love towards you, and know that you know "God causes all things to work together for good to them that love Him."

You can't love Him unless you get to know Him first.

Once you know Him, you'll fall in love with Him because He is the most awesome, giving, loving, compassionate and forgiving God there is - there is no other God like Him.

Then not fornicating comes easy. Not lying comes even easier. You think of Him watching you and when you see Him smile at you, you want to obey Him, amen?
---Donna on 2/18/10


Dear Michael

The Commandment to love our neighbor and love GOD is an OT law. Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.

Five of the Ten Commandments have to do with loving our neighbor. True they are passive. But if you do not do the passive ones how can you do those which are more active. The point is that simply not doing wrong, is good enough, JESUS wants us to activly do right.
---Samuel on 2/18/10


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LEE
"..is the 4th commandment given by God of any lesser importance than the other commands He gave?

God also told His people to observe the various Feasts - Harvest, Weeks, Ingathering Exodus 23,34."

here is my answer:

Deuteronomy 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and HE ADDED NO MORE. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

TO OBEY IS BETTER THAN TO SACRIFICE
---francis on 2/18/10


How does one show love to his neighbour?

Here is how. If you love your neighbour,
you do not commit adultery against him/ her,
you do not murder him or her,
you do not not steal from him or her,
you do not not covet his or her property,
By doing this you fulfil the law THOU CHALL LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR

How does one show Love to God:

here is how: If you love God you will have no other God but Yaweh,
you will not make idols and worship them,
you will not take gods name for common use, nor missuse his name,
you will keep his sabbath day holy, you will honour him as father,
by doing these you will fulfil the law LOVE THE LORD THY GOD with all your heart.
---francis on 2/18/10


MIchael on 2/17/10
"Eze 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I [am] the LORD that sanctify them.
1Cr 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness,"


I do not see these texts as being related to each other.
the sabbath as a sign is very different from jews seeking a sign from jesus.

Everyone who keeps the sabbath acknowledges God as Lord and creater.
But the Jews are asking jesus for a sign that he is the messiah.

how do these two texts relate to each other?
All they have in common is the word SIGN.
---FRANCIS on 2/18/10


Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.
--Which one of Israel's 10 passive heart of stone commandments did the goats get punished for?
--Which one of God's 2 spiritually active heart of flesh commandments did the goats get punished for?
--If you answered "Love thy neighbor as thyself", then you are correct.
---MIchael on 2/18/10


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francis //If you are having difficulty with obedience, find spiritual friends who teach and practice obedience to God, and that also includes the 4th commandment.

The Christian faith is a relationship with the rising Lord, not some obedience to some religious or ethical system. The law will not save you or make you more spiritual.

You will not respond to this, but is the 4th commandment given by God of any lesser importance than the other commands He gave?

God also told His people to observe the various Feasts - Harvest, Weeks, Ingathering Exodus 23,34.

If you insist upon any OT commandment and not the others, you are dismembering the law.

It is no wonder there is some much strife among Sabbaterian groups.
---Lee1538 on 2/18/10


frances //It is somewhat heart breakung to read somehow, somewhere people are teaching we should not obey the ten commandments.

They simply go further and believe what the Spirit of Jesus teaches.

Romans 13:9-10 The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, not covet, & any other commandment, are summed up in this word: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. ...therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Now is it not heartbreaking some do not believe love of neighbor fulfills the law but instead insist on externalism of the law - things not commanded in the New Covenant of the church?

But such is those who believe one must observe selected laws from the OT not found within the New.
---Lee1538 on 2/18/10


It is somewhat heart breakung to read that somehow, somewhere people are teaching that we should not obey the ten commandments.

To the initial topic: "I find obedience to God to be difficult. How can I overcome this obedience issue?"

Find yourself in the company of christians who teach and practice obedience to ALL TEM COMMANDMENTS, they will encourage you in issues of obedience.

Avoid anyone who tells you not to keep the ten commandments.

John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

If you are having difficulty with obedience, find spiritual friends who teach and practice obedience to God, and that also includes the 4th commandment.
---francis on 2/18/10


Pastor Jim //NO! God said that! It's a commandment.

There are over 600 commands in the Bible many given ONLY to the nation of Israel. For instance, do you observe the Feasts of Unleavened Bread, Harvest, and Ingathering after all God COMMANDED Them?

Ex 23:15-16 You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread. As I (God) commanded you, ...the Feast of Harvest, .... ...the Feast of Ingathering at the end of the year,...

If you desire to keep the olde Jewish Sabbath (no where commanded of His church), you truly dismember the Bible if you do not also keep the Feasts AND other commandments.

Any pastor that knows anything at all about the Bible, will NOT make any command from Him any less than other commands.

Judaizer?
---Lee1538 on 2/18/10


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Exd 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you.
Exd 31:17 It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Eze 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I [am] the LORD that sanctify them.
1Cr 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness,
---MIchael on 2/17/10


It is really stupid to believe that the Sabbath was anything but an observance given to the Jewish people as they were the only ones ever to observe it.

You say we should remember the Sabbath?

---Lee1538 on 2/17/10

NO! God said that! It's a commandment

The sabbath is in GEN2:3

There were no Jews then.

The Exodus took place 2500 years later.

You need to study basic biblical foundations before posting.

Ignorance is bliss, but not in your case.

"It is better to be silent and be considered a fool: than to speak out and remove all doubt"
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/17/10


The instruction to "Remember the Sabbath Day" does not mean remember, as in "that was a long time ago so we need to "remember" it. The understanding is that we should guard the Sabbath. When the children of Israel were instructed "And you shall remember the Lord you God." in Deuteronomy 8:18 were they to remember Him as though he was someone from the past? No, they are being instructed to worship Him by obedience to His instructions and the parameters of the covenant He gave them. "Remember" in the context of Sabbath means to guard or protect it.
---Paul on 2/17/10


Pastor Jim//It tells you to REMEMBER the Sabbath and keep it holy.

It is really stupid to believe that the Sabbath was anything but an observance given to the Jewish people as they were the only ones ever to observe it.

You say we should remember the Sabbath?

De 5:15 You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

When your ancestors were slaves in Egypt did they do the straw or the clay in making those bricks?

Sorry but you need to study the Bible for yourself instead of riding on the coat tails of semi-illiterate mentors.
---Lee1538 on 2/17/10


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And you may notice NOWHERE in the New Testament nor in the teachings of the early church is there a command to observe the olde Jewish Sabbath. ---Lee1538 on 2/17/10

The Sabbath is NOT Jewish!

That is a misconception.

The commandment does NOT tell you to observe the Sabbath.

It tells you to REMEMBER the Sabbath and keep it holy.

Why? Because it was forgotten by man. The Sabbath was created on the 7th day of creation, before Judaism. It was created for man to rest & enjoy.

It is given to us by God to shut the world off entirely and enjoy God,family, friends. It is a joyous time of the week for Jews who observes it. They shut everything off for 1 day of rest. Its beautiful!
I am a Pastor/Rabbi.
---PASTOR_JIM on 2/17/10


francis //Again TEN COMMANDMENTS

It is very unfortunate that your mentors teach you to observe the 10 commandments especially when Christ mentioned that to love the Lord you God with all your heart and mind and your neighbor at yourself (Mt 22:37f) and "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets".(27:40)

And if you look into the NT you would see the law is fulfilled by love of neighbor. Romans 13:9-10f

And you may notice NOWHERE in the New Testament nor in the teachings of the early church is there a command to observe the olde Jewish Sabbath.

Could it not be that the Lord did not require it of His church, that it was optional (romans 14:5f)?
---Lee1538 on 2/17/10


dying to self? self is a person. if christians say that christianity is a relationship, how can one have a relationship when you should let the self die?

when you exercise your wisdom & discernment, that is not wanting our way but choosing the right course of action.
mike

Okay I guess I should have said to selfishness. To wanting our way above all o thers. To protecting ourselves by lashing out at others and thinking more of ourselves then others so they are unimportant because we are so important. This selfishness must die.
---Samuel on 2/17/10


in the book of RUTH, a moabite, who took charge of the situation by gleaning. she did not sit idly by & become a victim. she did not say 'oh woe is me where do I go.' but ruth 2:2 Please let me go to the field and glean

even abraham, when he arrived in canaan but after there was a drought/famine, he decide to move to egypt.

people in the obeyed but the did not obey blindly like robots.
---mike on 2/17/10


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How did we go from:

Obedience To God
I find obedience to God to be difficult. How can I overcome this obedience issue

to whether or not we have to even obey the ten cmmandments?
---francis on 2/17/10


to samuel

'this requires dying to self and not wanting our way but GOD's way.'

dying to self? self is a person. if christians say that christianity is a relationship, how can one have a relationship when you should let the self die?

when you exercise your wisdom & discernment, that is not wanting our way but choosing the right course of action.
---mike on 2/17/10


LEE WRITES

"Mt. 5:17b. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.
Yes, we are to do what God commanded and in the next verses He informs the man what He meant by commandments - to love God & our neighbors."

Did you miss this:


Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

TEN COMMANDMENTS
or are you turning your eyes everytime you see the ten commandmenyts in the New testement?
---francis on 2/17/10


Are you kidding me?

How do you show love for God?

We love God by keeping his commandments/ laws

We love our neighbours by keeping His commandments.

Matthew 19:18 .. Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Matthew 19:19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Again TEN COMMANDMENTS
---francis on 2/17/10


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To obey better take your eyes off of self and look to JESUS. Love is the key to obdience. When you love GOD you want to do that which is pleasing and good to HIM.

When you love others you do not want to hurt them. But this requires dying to self and not wanting our way but GOD's way.

1Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Pray study the Bible avoid that which leads to sin. Keep your eyes on JESUS.
---Samuel on 2/17/10


Mt. 5:17b. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.

Yes, we are to do what God commanded and in the next verses He informs the man what He meant by commandments - to love God & our neighbors.

Jesus said this to the man to try & convince him he had by no means kept the commandments but was deceived that he had and was relying on them for his salvation.

Christ did not mean to say anyone would be saved by works of the law for the Bible teaches such is not the case - Romans 3:20, 28, 4:6 Eph. 2:9, 2 Tim. 1:9 and Gal. 2:16

Gal. 2:16 simply states that 'we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but thru faith in Christ and not works of the law bec by works of the law no one is justified'.
---Lee1538 on 2/17/10


The Apostle Paul was obedient, and he was a mortal, so by following him as he followed Christ, I can be obedient too.

1 Cor.11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ
Phil.3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
2 Thess. 3:9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us
---michael_e on 2/16/10


Matthew 18:8 : "And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire."
Matthew 19:17 "And he said to him, Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.

What does it mean to "enter life"?
---Nana on 2/16/10


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catherine //You may be uncomfortable from time to time, but that is nothing compared to how God can pour His discomfort upon you, my friend.

Yes, my friend the Apostle Paul acknowledge the war between the indwelling Spirit and the flesh.

Ro 7:23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.

It seems that when we try to obey the law, we forget that if we try to live by the old written code we will always fail.

Ro 7:6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.
---Lee1538 on 2/16/10


"If you love Me, you will obey Me", saith the Lord thy God....This love which we have for this true, invisible God. I must confess, I do not understand. I do not think about it much of the time now a days, because I am under attack. But, when I, in my quiet time want to snuggle with Him, I can feel His presence, without sounding mushy, my love goes flowing out to Him. Oh, on to your question: All I can say is to just obey Him. You dare not think about it, or Satan will think you right into disobedience. Look at it this way>>>You may be uncomfortable from time to time, but that is nothing compared to how God can pour His discomfort upon you, my friend.
---catherine on 2/16/10


Samuel - //the 10 Commandments & Moral laws from all the previous covenants are in effect.

Moral law has never changed in any covenant. Howbeit Scripture attests Gentiles following their basic nature did what the law required thro they did not have the law.

Ro 2:14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.

And guess what? they did what the law required but did NOT observe the olde Jewish Sabbath - clearly meaning the Jewish Sabbath CANNOT be a moral law

If the Mt. Sinai covenant is still in effect, then why does Hebrews 8:13 refer to it as being or becoming OBSOLETE?

Why r u w/o understanding?
---Lee1538 on 2/16/10


francis //Avoid christians who make excuses for sin such as: We are al sinners, or God will understand, or no one can keep the law.

If you truly believed you must avoid such Christians, they you need to denounce the Apostle Paul since he acknowledged the fact he was the chief of all sinners and that what he would do, he did just the opposite.

1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

Ro 7:19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.

NOTE THE PRESENT TENSE.

Please study Romans and remove your ignorance of the Word of God.
---Lee1538 on 2/16/10


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what kind of verses are you obeying? if all you hear is nothing but sin, then you will have a difficult time. but the truth behind the issue. you will have more wisdom.
specific examples
discernment

tithe / sowing seed will make you successful or
hard work, skill, knowledge & understanding of the job requirement.
skill & hard work will lead to success

self is a sin?
self is a person that will lead to relationships, responsibilities

blind obedience or
wisdom in following a verse.

money is the root of all evil or
love of money & it is a medium of exchange

you are not a cafeteria christian but you are exercising your wisdom
---mike on 2/16/10


frances - in quoting Mt. 5:17-18 you are maintaining the Jesus did NOT fulfill anything and the church is still under the Old Covenant dispensation - to laws not even mentioned in the New Covenant.

And your position rejects the decision made at the Jerusalem council that Gentile converts need not observe laws strictly Jewish such as circumcision, sabbath keeping, dietary law, etc..

While you demand obedience to certain OT laws, you dismember the law in insisting on obedience to the Jewish Sabbath, but reject obedience to God's explicit command to observe "the Passover, the Feasts of weeks, Unleavened Bread, Harvest, and Ingathering" (Exodus 23, 34).

You cannot pitch one stricly OT law and neglect the others.
---lee on 2/16/10


Frances - there is that command directly from the mouth of God that you are "to REMEMBER thou wast a servant in the LAND OF EGYPT ,...THEREFORE the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the Sabbath day".
De. 5:15.

When were you in Egypt?

The Old Covenant was given ONLY to the Jews and the only way one could enter into that covenant was via circumcision. While the New Covenant was given to Israel as well the entrance requirement was simply belief in Jesus and Him crucified, and resurrected from the dead.

Ro 10:9f if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Will be what? SAVED!!!! Did Jesus lie to us?
---Lee1538 on 2/16/10


Samuel - Why does Galatians brand the Judaizers who advocate laws from the Old Cov given at Mt. Sinai?

2 main reasons, they were teaching Jesus was not enough for ones salvation, one also needed obedience to the Old Cov laws given at Mt.Sinai Covenant.

Why does Romans teach one need esteem one day over others or none at all?

The observance of holy days was optional as there were Jewish believers who still followed the law of Moses - but not required of Gentiles converts.

Many OT laws were given to separate Jewish people from other peoples - like observance of holy days, dietary laws, Sabbath observance, etc.

Le 20:26... for I the LORD am holy and have separated you from the peoples, ...
---Lee1538 on 2/16/10


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//And why does Colossians tell us that we may not judge others as to the keeping of a sabbath or what we eat or drink?

Because many of the Jewish believers continued to insist Gentiles needed to follow the Olde Cov & their leadership.

Ac 6:7 And the word of God continued to increase, and the number of the disciples multiplied greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests became obedient to the faith. And those guys were sticklers when it came to observance of the Mosaic law.

//Because we should not judge others on these issues. Which means you should quit judging me.

Not judging you but your false doctrine which makes a liar of Jesus.
---Lee1538 on 2/16/10


Frances //: : Remind yourself of who you are: you are not a sinner saved by grace ( no sinner will be saved/

Your doctrinal views truly makes a liar out out of Jesus our Savior in that our salvation is in Him, not something we must earn by obedience to law especially cherry piced OT laws.

What does the Word say?

Eph. 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God,not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
---Lee1538 on 2/16/10


And why does Galatians brand those who are from Mt. Sinai as slave children of Hagar? Lee

It brands those who think they can add to their salvation by works. A false doctrine. Samuel

And why does Romans tell us that one may esteem one day over others or none at all?
Lee

Different discussion.

And why does Colossians tell us that we may not judge others as to the keeping of a sabbath or what we eat or drink? Lee

Because we should not judge others on these issues. Which means you should quit judging me. Samuel
---Samuel on 2/16/10


practical ways to obey God

1: Surround yourself with christians who
teach and practice obedience to God. They
will encourage you to obey God.


2: Remind yourself of who you are: you are
not a sinner saved by grace ( no sinner
will be saved/ and the bible never calls
a child of God a sinner saved by grace)
you are a son or daughter of the most
high God, an heir together with christ.

Once you start to call yourself as God
calls you, then you will start to behave
as God would have you behave

3: Avoid christians who make excuses for sin
such as: We are al sinners, or God will
understand, or no one can keep the law.
---francis on 2/16/10


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the Ten Commandments and Moral laws from all the previous covenants are in effect. Samuel

Why was there a Jerusalem council meeting to determine if Gentiles had to observe the Old Covenant Jewish laws? Lee1538

Your question does not match my statment. Are saying all moral laws from the Old Testament are done away with and are no longer sin please make that plain. The Jewish council did away with Ceremonial laws for gentiles. Samuel

And why does the book of Hebrews speak of the old covenant as being obsolete? Lee1538

Because the Old Covenant is obsolete. Just that sin is sin. Rom 3:20 for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin. 1Jo 3:4 for sin is the transgression of the law.
---Samuel on 2/16/10


//I find obedience to God to be difficult. How can I overcome this obedience issue?

One can only be obedient to the Lord by abiding in Him.

However, if you have a list of laws you are trying to live in the power of your own flesh.

Review His promises, and get as deep into His word as possible, pray that He may mold you in accordance to His will, not your own.
---Lee1538 on 2/16/10


obedience is not that hard. just stay in god's word,pray without stopping obedience will follow easliy
---sandra on 2/23/08


Look at it like this. If you love God, you will begin to obey. You are considered a wayward child. So you will have to be disciplined as a wayward child and God is more than able to make you obey. I don't think you will like the discipline. So you had better Get into the Word, study and find out what you need to do. Ask God to help you obey.
---Robyn on 5/23/07


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Frank, when I was in college a pastor used to encourage us to pray "Lord I'm willing, otherwise, I'm willing to be made willing..." Do you realize God wants to sanctify us? Just ask and be willing to be transformed.

For this is the will of God, even your sanctification... 1 Thessalonians 4:3, see also 1 Peter 1:2
---Geoff on 5/23/07


Make it a habit to pray and to read the Word. The purpose of reading the Word, for a Christian, is to know God. The purpose of praying is relationship with God. As we grow in our knowledge of God's ways and in our love for Him (through prayer and the Word), obeying Him will become easier. Remember, though, that obedience is a choice, and at times we all have to struggle against the flesh. As we mature, as Christians, though, it will become easier to put aside our desires and choose what God wants.
---LL on 5/23/07


I don't think there is a cook book reciept for making obedience easy. While it may be different for each, it starts with love , a humble heart of repentance and desire to please God. I think that even those are a gift from God. And like the old saying goes,"practice makes perfect". He does reward those who seek him.
---jody on 5/22/07


Obedience can be difficult. Gal. states that they bewitched the hearers of God. I would imagine when someone bewitches you it would be very difficult to hear God...
---anonymous on 5/22/07


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It is a desire to be obedient to the Lord. If one truely loves God and are striving to be more like him everyday, it isn't going to be hard to be obedient. Obedience is hard if you give into the tempations of the flesh.
---Rebecca_D on 4/20/07


Keeper
The story of Abraham and Isaac is a test of faith.
Where is the test if he believed His son would be resurrected afterwards? Where is a test of faith in that? It's like God asking me to give up playing piano and saying I'll let you play again in a month. Knowing that makes it way too easy to obey. We obey such requests from God because it tests our faith and our trust in God. We DON"T KNOW what will happen afterwards and this is why it is a test in the first place.
---Matthew on 4/19/07


2)
Can we trust in God enough that he is wise, perfect and always right to give up the thing we love the most with knowing we may very well NEVER see it again? That is the test Abraham was facing, but he put all His trust in the Lord and obeyed. He set a great example. To say he believed Isaac would be resurrected is not in the Bible and plus it makes the test he faced unprofitable and a bad example faith.
---Matthew on 4/19/07


I agree with Junia that we need to read the Bible, & from cover to cover which allows us to see it as it is; His revelation to us from A to Z. Not a collection of stories but one Big story which makes perfect sense when read through, again & again.

We can then see things more in context & better understand what the NT builds upon. The NT does not stand on its own.
---Warwick on 4/19/07


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First if you find out just how much you need God that certainly helps, also His disciplines, and corrections man they certainly helps. OUCH. OUCH.
---catherine on 4/19/07


Linda, I'm wondering how you figure that just by truly believing the Word of God that Obedience will then come "naturally."

The key is not how much trust do we have in God, the key is building a trust in Him each and every day, as we go through trials and He pulls us through. We have to build a foundation and then as we see Him coming through for us, we begin to trust little by little, line upon line, precept upon precept.
---SeekerofHim on 4/19/07


We throw things onto this board as if to say "just do this and this will happen." Doesn't God individualize each person's walk with Him? Satan believes and he does NOT obey the word.

It may seem that Abraham obeyed God without a doubt or any hesitation, but I have heard lots of teachers of the word say Abraham thought God was going to raise Isaac from the dead after he killed him. So even Abraham had a preconceived notion of the way God was going to do things-he was wrong, wasn't he?
---SeekerofHim on 4/19/07


If we believe the Word of God "truly believe" then obedience will follow naturally. Abraham believed God and he obeyed when God demand that his only son be killed. The key is how much trust do we have in God?
---Linda on 4/19/07


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You can't obey someone you don't love and respect.

Jesus said, "If you love me, you'll obey Me."

The answer: Get to know God and fall in love with Him. He's merciful, His mercies are never every morning. He's loveable. He's compassionate. Get to know Him and His qualities and you will obey Him without a shadow of a doubt.
---SeekerofHim on 4/19/07


junia---I have never read the Bible cover to cover and I probably won't. Do you want to know why? Because I would not know anymore than I know now, inwhich case, it would be a big waist of time.
---catherine on 4/18/07


First of all, read your Bible every day untill you have read it through till the last word. It sounds like you are more bound by ritualistic religion. Maybe you should just love the Lord and then it will be easier to obey Him. Follow what the Bible says and do not let people's customs make you feel quilty.
---Junia on 4/18/07


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