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How Big Is The Remnant Church

What percentage of the Body of Christ is considered the remnant Church?

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2. The Lord promised that a remnant from the house of Judah would be saved.

The correct answer is True.

2 Kings 19:30-31 - And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall yet again take root downward, and bear fruit upward. For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.

---Rebekah on 11/17/07

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13. Revelation teaches that the remnant will experience the great tribulation.

The correct answer is True.

Revelation 11:13 - And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

---Rebekah on 11/17/07

Agree with you mark, that no one has the right to judge anothers spirituality.

Romans 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

Unfortuately there are those that believe they have been given the task of bringing the church back to its pristine state - lost after the death of the last Apostle.
---lee on 6/11/07

Jana, I am not on anyone's side. Especially the denominations. What they teach is what is important to me. I saw you come on to Shiela and I reminded you she was not the one speaking againt the J.W., that it was me. I don't hate anyone. One person did get to me once, when I read what he said about Christ not cleaning toilets as he had. That really got to me for over a week. I wanted so bad to tell him something but I knew it would be wrong. That is the only one that ever got to my emotions.
---mark on 6/10/07

Lee is wrong,but I know Jana ok. I am from China thats all will I reveal.
---pip on 6/10/07

*I serve soup on street with SDA faithfuls...*

Now we know where pip/jana get that street language.
---lee on 6/9/07

TS..which group are you? I am of the wheat .. I am new SDA and am are against SDAs? True I think some are seat warming how about you? what you do for god?I serve soup on street with SDA faithfuls..what you do? just mouth off on this here thing? teach me bible better...
---pip on 6/9/07

Mark: I know 2mistakes dont make things right but do u also reply Lee for all the insults he blogged at us in past blogs? Why is it when we ADventists reply to him u jump and accuse us and call us names? haha..u r also with him..and is greatly wrong for I said: "I GUESS" didnt say "IT WILL NOT BE" going by how he blog about the Ten Holy Laws of God and His Holy Sabbath He commanded us to keep, I had guessed he is against it wrong to guess...Lord have mercy..
---jana on 6/8/07

Actualy i think SDA's are christian they're going to heaven...they have the same ultimate goals as I do which is...get to know God really well and try to help bring people into the kingdom...and they believe we are saved by JEsus christ...
---mark_B. on 6/7/07

I got some news for you, TS, SDA has a false prophet, EW, that you're following.
---Ramona on 6/7/07

PIP: I got news for ya... Not everyone in the Seventh Day Church is saved. Many only profess Him with thier lips and then do nothing to spread the Gospel.

Which class are you: wheat or tare?
---TS on 6/7/07

Jana, you are so wrong in what you say, "That lee's name is not going to be in the book of life" This gives evidence as to what is in your sinful heart and you speak obedience. You have no right to say what you did, for you don't even know if yours is, so how can you know which are going to be in? You could have answered with a passage but to make such a comment as you have is wrong. You are getting personal. Is that what they teach you where you worship? Is that evidence of your denomination?
---mark on 6/7/07

The Remnant are those whom God will have their names in the Book of Life and I guess thats why Lee is disagreeing with the Bible cos his name is not going to be in it..He does not believe in being obedient to God and His 10Holy rather believe in the OSAS teaching which is non biblical..
---jana on 6/7/07

There is no such thing as a "remnant church".

The remnant mentioned in Romans & Revelation are Jewish. Those texts do not permit any other interpretation.
---lee on 5/30/07

---pip on 5/30/07

Pator_C - *We are under grace through faith but are required to follow Jesus example and he followed the law*

Then you are saying that the decisions of Jerusalem Council not to impose the Mosaic laws esp. circumcision onto Gentile converts was in error?

That Council met to determine these issues -

Acts 15:5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, It is necessary to circumcise them AND to order them to keep the law of Moses.
---lee on 5/25/07

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Jesus said, "Whosoever breaks the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whosoever keeps them all and teaches others to do so will be called greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
He also said, "I come NOT to do away with the law but to fulfill it and not jot or tittle shall pass away until ALL things are fulfilled."
We are under grace through faith but are required to follow Jesus example and he followed the law.
---Pator_C on 5/25/07

Cultists are well known for their hatred of those who do not support their viewpoint.

Most have an ugly spirit in them that is unteachable and often unreachable with the gospel message.

And that is why we see some on this forum calling other hypocrites, Christian bashers, false teachers, etc. etc. ad nauseum.

1 Corinthians 14:38 But if any man (or woman) be ignorant, let him (or her) be ignorant.
---lee on 5/25/07

Mark: u support Lees non biblical stance..go back to past blogs and read for yourself the things he called others on this forum..he is a hypocrite and a christian basher who does not understand OR accept Biblical truth..I dont have any respect for such people for they are of the devil
---jana on 5/23/07

lee, TS is MikeM., SLCguy, alien mormon.
That might help you with his replies.
---Harris on 5/23/07

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TS - *Lee: and so you use Christs sacrifice to continue in sin. Paul said God Forbid!*

Yes indeed, God forbid that we should belittle that sacrifice Christ made on our behalf.

In fact, God sent forth his son, born of a woman under the law "to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons." Gal. 4:4-5

And as sons (& daughters)"God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, 'Abba! Father'! (4:6)
---lee on 5/23/07

Lee: and so you use Christs sacrifice to continue in sin. Paul said God Forbid!
---TS on 5/23/07

TS - *The Ordinance of Sacrifice made a way of escape for the death penalty that results from breaking the Commandments*

In the Atonement Christ made the final sacrifice for sin - violation of all types of law, as His blood was efficacious for all who would believe & accept Him as Lord & Savior.

Usually Adventists believe the Cross was sufficient only for violation of ceremonial laws!

Sounds like you are getting closer to orthodox Christian doctrine on this point.
---lee on 5/22/07

Lee: No need for animal sacrifices as these were part of the "Ordinance that was against us nailed to His Cross"

You eer in your theology. The Ordinance of Sacrifice made a way of escape for the death penalty that results from breaking the Commandments. It did not do away with the Commandments, just the penalty for sin.
---TS on 5/22/07

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TS - *Thank you for Showing us clearly that you Do not "Keep the Commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" ...*

You do not obey all of God's commandments either otherwise you would be out there on some hill sacrificing an animal on an altar for your sinfulness.

You fail to make any differentiation between the Old Covenant & the New rejecting that ministry of the Spirit and embracing that ministry of death written on stone. (2 Cor. 3:7). Depart from us, you child of Hagar.
---lee on 5/22/07

Lee: Thank you for Showing us clearly that you Do not "Keep the Commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" as spoken of in Revelation as the Identifying Mark of Gods People.
---TS on 5/18/07

Thank you Mark, I totally agree with you that such people are still under the law and all they have is religion; not a personal relationship to Christ.

They think that obedience to laws is also obedience to Christ.

Their bible states 'For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him and keeps the Sabbath should not perish but have eternal life'.
---lee on 5/15/07

mark: 1Jn5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Not many do this. Most are lost.
Mat7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.
---TS on 5/14/07

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Lee, the same people are also found supporting the one's that don't believe in the assurance of the believer. Most of them are still under the law, and since they are, they group together with the others to prove that works saves. When they don't get the answers they like, bom, you get snapped, you get called all kinds of stuff. Not everyone that is SDA answers like that, so we have to be careful which one's we treat different, for no one knows the heart but Christ. I support your doctrinal stance.
---mark on 5/14/07

TS - *Lee follows the carnal law of his own heart & can not keep the commandments so he refuses the Spirit that will help him keep them*

And what commandment from the New Covenant do I fail to keep?

You cannot say the Sabbath since there is virtually no command for the church to observe any such command in the New Testement.

You do not know the Scripture & you are judging others on the basis of laws from an obsolete covenant (Hebr. 8;13); or you are simply a derogatory cutlist.
---lee on 5/14/07

Lee: What other guide do u have but the Law: AMEN MATE AMEN. The Law which is Christ Himself. what Spirit was that to come that John was referring to? Christ of cause..since u donot accept Christ as the Law and the Word, what else can I say but u will miss out mate if you dont accept Him and His wonderful grace..He also who is the Holy Spirit..I am crucified with Christ...I continue my prayers 4u brother
---jana on 5/11/07

jana: Lee follows the carnal law of his own heart and can not keep the commandments so he refuses the Spirit that will help him keep them. He has Preached his Lawless theology so long that his mind is seared with a hot iron and he refuses the Covenant and thus God has not written His Law on this poor souls heart.
---TS on 5/10/07

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jana - *yet God wrote with His own hands, set of 10Moral laws of love 2guide us in life...*

I suppose that you are right if you are not indwelt by the Holy Spirit as what other guide do you have but the law?

John 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
---lee on 5/10/07

Lee: No Christian will b perfect in sight of Law: Absolutely right: yet God wrote with His own hands, set of 10Moral laws of love 2guide us in life,then sent His own Son 2shed blood 2save us from death 4our spiritual sins, that we mayb reconnected 2Him. Laws of Ordinances n Special sabbaths called LOM or Cer/Laws was replaced by Christ at the cross. He is the Word,made flesh John1:1,14
---jana on 5/10/07

Remnant (Sardis) could be referred to as many things. I think you maybe have heard a sermon or something using a term that could mean many things. I can't help unles I know what you meant by remnant.
---Cheryl on 5/9/07

Leer: New & Old by Grace through Faith in Lambs Atonement. Big difference is where Covenant is written
Jer31:31-33 The days come..that I will make a NEW COVENANT with Israel..Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers when I took them..out of Egypt; My covenant THEY BROKE..But this shall be the COVENANT that I will make with the house of Israel: I WILL put MY LAW in their inward parts and write it in their HEARTS and will be their God" Same Law, better promise, different place
---TS on 5/9/07

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TS - those that are spiritual have a relationship with Christ regardless of their own personal righteousness. No Christian will ever be perfect in the sight of the law.

While those that do not have the Spirit but follow some sort of moral code may be righteous in the eyes of man, there are not righteous in the eyes of God.

And there is none that can justify themselves by following the law (Romans 3;20) but those in Christ have the righteousness of Christ to their credit.(3:21)
---lee on 5/8/07

Geoff - *Why would God define righteous in Old Testament those that Keep His Commandments and then say those that Dont Keep My Commandments are true believers in the New? Your theology is drunken makes no sense.*

Galatians 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
---lee on 5/8/07

Lee: You misuse the Bible. Ishmael & Isaac both genetic offspring to Abraham. Those not Keeping Gods Commandments are not Spiritual
Why would God define righteous in Old Testament those that Keep His Commandments and then say those that Dont Keep My Commandments are true believers in the New? Your theology is drunken makes no sense.
Maybe someone from your Church should practice what you preach, come over rob you, beat you, and take your wife so you can see the truth of the christianity you declare
---TS on 5/8/07

Geoff - Gal. 3:29 "And if you are Christs, then you are Abrahams offspring, heirs according to promise."

Abraham has 2 major offspring. Isaac represents those with a personal relationship with God by faith & can be truly called 'spiritual Israel' regardless of nationality.

But those that trust their Sinai law keeping (see the context) are still in slavery of bondage & counted as spiritual descendents of Ishmael, still under the Old Covenant.

Read your Bible in its context!
---lee on 5/7/07

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Lee: Sorry but the Bible says there is no genetic Israel. The Church is composed of Spiritual Israel.

"There is niether JEW nor greek...but all are one in Christ Jesus."

Those looking to Genetic Israel ignore this text and fail to know that the name Israel means "Overcomer." Thus they geneticize everything that is Spiritual and miss the blessings of His Word.

Read your Bible man!
---TS on 5/7/07

Lee "Sorry Jana but Scripture is very clear that the remnant is of the nation of Israel." Yes,the remnant is of the true church,the last remnant of it: and Christians are grafted in,&now are a part of Israel. "And God,which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness,giving them the Holy Ghost,even as he did unto us, and put no difference between us and them.."Acts 15: 8,9 "There is one body,and one spirit... One Lord,One Faith,One baptism. One God and Father of all.." Eph 4:4,5
---Gina7 on 5/5/07

The Message Bible, Rev.14
9 -11A third Angel followed, shouting, warning, "If anyone worships the Beast and its image and takes the mark on forehead or hand, that person will drink the wine of God's wrath, prepared unmixed in his chalice of anger, and suffer torment from fire and brimstone in the presence of Holy Angels, in the presence of the Lamb. Smoke from their torment will rise age after age. No respite for those who worship the Beast and its image, who take the mark of its name."
---Gina7 on 5/5/07

The Message Bible, Rev.14

12Meanwhile, the saints stand passionately patient, keeping God's commands, staying faithful to Jesus.
---Gina7 on 5/5/07

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The Amplified Bible
Revelation 14:12

12Here [comes in a call for] the steadfastness of the saints [the patience, the endurance of the people of God], those who [habitually] keep God's commandments and [their] faith in Jesus.
---Gina7 on 5/5/07

Romans 9:27 And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: Though the number of the sons of Israel {Or children of Israel} be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved,...

Sorry Jana but Scripture is very clear that the remnant is of the nation of Israel.

Your view that the remnant are SDAs is totally unwarranted from a Scriptural standpoint. It is more of the Ellen White garbage in believing that she and her followers had a special annointing from God.

Get real!
---lee on 5/4/07

Lee: God has not rejected His people the Israelites/believers, thats anyone who believes and do His commands, NOT A CHURCH then it must be animals who are worshiping it? We are the church boy, the believers yet you do not name yourself amongst them..I can understand that, u dont believe nor obey His commands so that leaves u out..I pray, u educated man tch tch will come 2your senses and go all the way with God
---jana on 5/4/07

Lee: noone will ever be saved if they hang onto the laws of Moses the Mosaic Laws made obselete at the cross and u know that very well...u say u r an educated man, so wheres your brain here boy? The Bible clearly tells us all that yet u still reject it...U blogged way back that only Jews are God's people and so that leaves u out also..your absolutely wrong, if your a believer in Christ and do all that He commands, as He is the Law, then u b saved..get it boy? I am praying for you.....
---jana on 5/4/07

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Noone knows what percentage that will be saved..but I do know this, we the Seventh Day Adventists who obey all God's commands are all Remnants of God's church..we who have the Testimony of Jesus Christ/The Spirit of Prophecy..and I do believe that there are many others whom we will see on that day and what a day that will be.
---jana on 5/4/07

TS - While it is true that 'saints' mean saved people, and constitute the church - the body of Christ, the church is not necessarily a denomination.

Do I keep the commandments of God?

Certainly as the Law of Christ - the only law Christians are under - embodies all the moral aspects of the law. 1 Cor. 9:21, Gal. 6:2.
---lee on 5/4/07


Rev14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus"

This is the Biblical Definition of the true Body of believers. Last time I checked Saints meant saved...and that be the Church my friend.

Do you Keep the Commandments of God?

Or do you prefer to throw out the Revelation of Jesus Christ?
---TS on 5/4/07

Romans 11:1,2,5 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, ...God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. ... So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.

Nowhere in Scripture is the 'remnant' spoken of as a church. Those that claim they are the 'remnant church' simply have little or no knowledge of Scripture viewing themselves as special in the eyes of God whereas they are cults.
---lee on 5/4/07

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10% of 10 Billion people is still a sum that "no man can number."

Three big surprises when you get to heaven:
The first is that you are there.
The second, some you thought would be there are not.
The Third some you thought would never make it are in :)
---TS on 5/2/07

Smaller than you might believe, but bigger than you think. We can't know for sure what size the "true" church is because we don't know man's hearts
---Jared on 4/30/07

Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich to all that call on him.

And that would include the Jewish converts who follow the Mosaic law as well as Gentiles that do not adhere to the laws of Moses; for 'whosoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (10:13)

That is also the distinction between the Old & New Covenants - the latter included the Gentiles.
---lee on 4/30/07

noone knows how big it is the Remnant church of God. Only Him knows that. Not us.
---jana on 4/29/07

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It's a "remnant of ISRAEL."
---Jack on 4/20/07
Romans 2:28,29 "28For he is not a [real] Jew who is only one outwardly and publicly, nor is [true] circumcision something external and physical.

29But he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and [true] circumcision is of the heart, a spiritual and not a literal [matter]. His praise is not from men but from God." Amplified Bible
---Gina7 on 4/28/07

Romans 2:28,29 New International Readers Version "28 A man is not a Jew if he is a Jew only on the outside. And circumcision is more than just something done to the outside of a man's body.

29 No, a man is a Jew only if he is a Jew on the inside. And true circumcision means that the heart has been circumcised. It is done by the Holy Spirit. It is more than just obeying the written Law. Then a man's praise will not come from others. It will come from God. "
---Gina7 on 4/28/07

Romans 2:28,29 The Message Bible "Don't you see: It's not the cut of a knife that makes a Jew. You become a Jew by who you are. It's the mark of God on your heart, not of a knife on your skin, that makes a Jew. And recognition comes from God, not legalistic critics."
---Gina7 on 4/28/07

pop = jana

Obvious as the style is totally the same.
---lee on 4/28/07

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jack: my Bible tells me that you so oppose to,. Study your Bible well mate, stop accusing or pointing finger at others when in actual fact, your exempt from the group of the true followers of the Bible...whom r they???? u guessed it.....
---pop on 4/28/07

"Few will find the Path"...
"The tithe (10%) is Holy unto the Lord"

"Many are called and few are chosen"

My guess about 10%
---TS on 4/27/07

Did you read the rest of the post?
You said remnant church was not in the bible.
---Raine on 4/21/07

Raine, the passages in Micah, as is clear from the context, are talking about ISRAEL, not the Church.

It's a "remnant of ISRAEL."
---Jack on 4/20/07

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Well, Jesus said, "only a few will find the narrow road that leads to heaven".So this ought to give you a clue. If everybody was saved who claimes they are saved which, is just about everybody that goes to church, then, what are they doing toward glorifying their Savior? I suspect they are at the ball games hooping and a hollowing.
---catherine on 4/20/07

Micah 4:7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.

Micah 5:3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time [that] she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
---Raine on 4/20/07

Micah 5:7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.
---Raine on 4/20/07

Micah 5:8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

Micah 7:18 Who [is] a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth [in] mercy
---Raine on 4/20/07

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Separation Theology -
The covenants and promises given to Israel are not transferred to the Gentile Church

The Church is a new spiritual entity with a distinct purpose and destiny
---Raine on 4/20/07

Replacement Theology

The covenants and promises given to Israel are transferred to the Gentile Church

Jews must convert to Gentile Christianity
---Raine on 4/20/07

Remnant Theology

The Gentile Church partakes of the covenants and promises given to Remnant Israel

Gentile Christians must identify with Remnant Israel
---Raine on 4/20/07

Replacement theology is false doctrine.

The Church does not exist instead of Israel.
The Church does not exist outside of Israel.
The Church is included within the faithful remnant of Israel.
---Raine on 4/20/07

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The understanding of Israel and the Church is not replacement theology or separation theology. The Church has not replaced national Israel. God has a future program of prophecy to fulfill for that nation. Neither has the Church replaced remnant Israel. Paul considered himself part of remnant Israel (Romans 11:1-5), part of Christ (Romans 9:3), and part of the Church (Ephesians 5:29-30). This shows that the Church, the Body of Christ and remnant Israel are synonymous.
---Raine on 4/20/07

Gentile believers are grafted into remnant Israel, whose holy root is the Messiah. Gentile believers have taken the place of Jews who have not believed, but Gentiles as a whole have not replaced Jews as a whole. Only part of Israel has been hardened (Romans 11:25). And God is able to graft Jews back into remnant Israel/the Church when they believe (Romans 11:23).
---Raine on 4/20/07

There has been an error in distinction between Israel and the Church. (1) We have made the distinction between Jew and Gentile, but then errored in thinking that Israel equals Jew, and Church equals Gentile. Both Israel and the Church contain both Jews and Gentiles, and the distinction between Jew and Gentile is not equal to a distinction between Israel and the Church.
---Raine on 4/20/07

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