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I have heard Catholics say Mary remained a virgin her whole life. Explain the story of the virgin Mary even after the birth of Christ?

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MIC, what you say could be true, IF THE RCC would be Christs church.
let Me ask you who saves, Jesus or the church? what doctrine said paul we should follow that which he allready had preached or the one that is based on assumptions and lies? as for ME I PUT MY CASE BEFORE CHRIST, and I KNOW HE HAS ALLREADY SAVED ME. who should we follow an old man wearing a fish-head or Jesus. RCC is build on powers which have always hated the true believers and has murdered hudreds of thousands. where did Jesus grant us to do so? MAY YOU FIND THE true LIGHT
---Andy on 5/8/09


wayne,

Although I believe the RCC promotes uniquely erroneous "doctrine"... your take on the name "Jesus" is as ridiculous a statement as I've ever heard.

Iesous is one transliteration, of Hebrew Yeshua, to Greek. There are issues with this, which I won't elaborate on, but suffice it to say, I(ota) should be Y(ode).

Of course, Greek and Latin are not the same, either: and to equate one spelling in Greek to a like spelling in Latin is absurd.

We now have "Jesus" through 2,000 years of the evolution of transliteration: not some dog-jive Hebrew to Greek to Latin pseudo-Zeusisms about pigs.

Yesu: Yeshua: Iesus: Iesous: Ihsouv: Ihsou... all read as Jesus, in modern "English".
---BruceB on 5/8/09


My Father is not slack in his judgment and you better bet your life/soul, we will all have something to answer for if we don't straighten up and start acting acordingly to his words as GOOD children should/WILL...

No one is beyond his reproach or ANY Nation for that matter, let your light shine as commanded...
---YLBD on 5/7/09


Andy :-"to be a follower of Jesus instead of DOCTRINES and human leaders is not in defiance of Christ.I have one word for you"Balderdash".-Think of what you write before you spout.You call yourself a seeker but in essence you are not b/c your words prove otherwise.another falsety.The DOCTRINES you brush aside by your statement is the very Rock Jesus Founded His church on.The same church you despise and denigrate and YES He will ask you 'why did you deny MY DOCTRINE taught in my church'.Be sure that will be one question Have you an answer?
---MIC on 5/5/09


MIC, always remember, salvation is of the Jews. Not of the romans. In fact you should research the name Iesous in Latin to see what it actually means. This is where we get the name jesus from. In Greek it actaully means hail zeus, in Latin it means hes a pig. Look it up! Sous in Latin means pig, and this is the church you defend. Your defending the pagan doctrines of the greatest whore in history.
---wayne on 5/5/09




MIC, FOR ME to reject demoninspired doctrines is not to be at defiance with the word of God.
to be a follower of Jesus instead of doctrines and human leaders is not in defiance of Christ.
to be a HOLY SPIRIT filled seeker of God's truth is not in defiance of The father. Jesus will not ask me what my church did when i die, he will ask me. bassically you use the right words, still you hold on to superstitions when you admire adhere and revere all what is ROMAN CATHOLIC. admitted there is much truth to be found in RCC, however,was'nt that the way satan tried to seduce Jesus? by hiding a little lie in a sugarcoated truth.
---Andy on 5/5/09


Mic ...it's funny how anyone who DEFENDS the MOTHER of all whores (REV 17) NEVER responds with scripture when questioned ...they run and hide proclaiming all to be lost without their "MOTHER" when their religious system has no business USING Holy Word of God to proclaim their mystery queen of heaven

Biblical Mary is simply mother of Christ having MANY children with Joseph

Mic you CHOOSE to USE Gods Holy Word in ERROR ...YET have no other verses to support your theory?

Although I didn't expect a response it is amazing how your pagan system USES MY FATHERS Holy Word yet you cannot find another scripture within HIS TRUTH to square up with verses you CLEARLY have no understanding of from PLAIN Truth within scripture
---Rhonda on 5/2/09


Andy:-Listen to your words .You really do not comprehend .But,are extremely insistent.How many times have I said "It is not my church"these are JESUS words and therefore "HIS CHURCH"Matt16:13-19.You say Jesus died for our sins, can you explain that sentence?Then answer this question why did He come to this world and take on Flesh?Why did He say FOLLOW ME?Be Perfect?Being God who created the universe He could have accomplished all this with a snap of His fingers.You pose a ridiculous statement Antichrist Religosity, coined words have no meaning,except within the realm of your thoughts.You say you repented then why are you at variance with His word!?
---MIC on 5/1/09


Mic, CRUCIFY HIM, CRUCIFY HIM, might i remind you that Christ died for both your and my sins. so if the question comes if i woullld have been in tyhe crowd shouting allong, i must admit, i probably would have been. as Paul regretted afterwards, yet did not deny that he persecuted and murdered Chist's followers i must say im guilty. Yet instead of adding upon my guilt by now rejecting the risen Christ for ANTICHRIST religiousity, i repented. a word that is not known too you. PS you owe every Jew an apology. you cannot continue the inquisiution of your church. and then say your church is the ONLY GOOD ONE.
---Andy on 5/1/09


WayneYour defence and explaination plus your way of expressing leads me to believe you are of Jewish ancestory & FAITH those "who rejected the corner stone."
Andy:- once a protester always a protester"Crucify Him" "Crucify HIM"
The command is HONOUR your Mother-love your neighbour.
---MIC on 4/30/09
I love Yeshua, He is my Mashiach. But using the same thinking as you I can tell you are a believer in a pagan religion and are very decieved. By the way, the man you call God in the flesh was a Jew, and yet you reject Him also.
---wayne on 4/30/09




MIC- By the way, Mary the woman whom you and others have exalted to goddess status was a Jewess, so if you lump me in with Yeshua, Mary, the Apostles, thats cool. Im in good company. But then again you believe in jesus, not Yeshua. You keep to the edict of constitine about roman pagan christians not Judaising on penelty of death. So I can see why. You violate YHVH's commandments for the sake of pagan traditions, so I would rather be looked at as being apart of the faith of Yeshua and the Apostles then I would to be lumped in with you and the rest of the roman pagans here. So thank you.
---wayne on 4/30/09


For want of a more sensible,Godlike answer, the character and inner feeling exposed gives rise to expletives unbecoming of a woman,who when riled show their deep inbred true colours."By their fruit you shall know them"
WayneYour defence and explaination plus your way of expressing leads me to believe you are of Jewish ancestory & FAITH those "who rejected the corner stone."
Andy:- once a protester always a protester"Crucify Him" "Crucify HIM"
The command is HONOUR your Mother-love your neighbour.
---MIC on 4/30/09


larry * Explain, its probably nonsense?
We know from at least three scriptures that Yeshua had brothers, Matthew 12:46, Luke 8:19, and Mark 3:31.

There are a numerous scripture verses that use the word brothers that do not mean blood-line.

larry * What would be the point of Mary remaining a virgin after the birth unless God considers marriage a defilement?
Puleeze, do our Catholic brethren make this stuff up out of whole cloth?

If you were just told that you are going to give birth to the Saviour of the world wouldn't you want to stay a virgin . And your partner would not want to touch you either..think about it!
---Ruben on 4/29/09


"BEHOLD YOUR MOTHER"You may argue this till the cows come home accept it as an obedient
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an obedient to the MOTHER of all whores (REV 17)???

if this were TRUTH as you foolishly claim then from Holy Word of God please identify ALL the other scriptures that support this understanding

I won't be waiting with baited breathe ...even RCC KNOWS there are no verses within Gods Word that supports this antichrist meaning they have superimposed OVER Gods Holy Word
---Rhonda on 4/29/09


The real question hidden here is really wether or not the pope is infailible ex Cathedra (when sitting upon the bishopricthrone, pronouncing in matters of faith and morals). every NON-CATHOLIC says he is not. how do we know? tradition, history and inspiration. lol.
---Andy on 4/29/09
The popes before or after vatican II? They all teach something different, so I guess they are very fallible!
---wayne on 4/29/09


The real question hidden here is really wether or not the pope is infailible ex Cathedra (when sitting upon the bishopricthrone, pronouncing in matters of faith and morals). every NON-CATHOLIC says he is not. how do we know? tradition, history and inspiration. lol.
---Andy on 4/29/09


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Alan of UK :- I like your retort smooth and true. But Whyne is obcessed with sex, this drives him crazy, he does not see an alternative to express the feeling of love in a healthy relationship.
---MIC on 4/28/09


Whether Mary had other children or not is irrelevant. Who the Son of God is, is the only thing you need to be concerned about. All these petty little differences are just keeping you from experiencing Christ living inside you. Focus on the Lord and none of this stuff matters. If it did, Jesus would have made it clear whether He had brothers or not. Anyone who does the will of God is are His brothers.
---Gregg on 4/28/09


Wayne .. our argument is not about the meaning of the words "relations", "knew", "sex", "slept" or any of those.

It is your assertion that that the Bible actually says that that action, whatever you call it, took place after Jesus was born.

But the Bible does not say that.

All it says is that Mary did not indulge in that act in the time up to when Jesus was born.

That is something quite different.

"I keep to the speed limit until I reach the unrestricted roads outside town" That does NOT say I speed up when I leave town ... I could have gone on at the original slow speed.
---alan8566_of_Uk on 4/28/09


alan8566_of_UK
I think we are saying the same thing, maybe Iam not saying it right. In modern english to know someone means to have sexual relations, so the versions of the Bible say this. I know she waited until after the birth, but my point is this, she had relations with her husband. The Bible versions for the most part use the language of He knew her, but the NIV actually does say sexual relations. And this is what the other versions mean, but rcc's say it doesnt mean this. I hope I have said this correctly. Thank you for your patience dear sir.
---wayne on 4/28/09


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Wayne ... I know well what the Bible says, and you have correctly quoted the passages

But it does NOT actually say that after the birth of Jesus, Mary DID have sexual relations with Joseph.

It only says she did not have relations until.

If I said that in a 30 mph zone on the road I did not exceed the speed limit, does that necessarily mean that on an unrestricted road, I drive at 100 mph ... or even in excess 30 mph?

Mod ... please permit an extension ... thanks
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/28/09


Mofd ... thanks for allowing this extemsion ...

Wayne ... I was not accusing yuo of disrespect..

It was just that you both got my name wrong, and accused me of supporting RC doctrine.

So I thought maybe you were addressing someone else.
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/28/09


alan8566_of_UK No disrespect was meant by the misspelling of your name, please forgive me for that. Matt 1:25 states he( Joseph) knew her ( Mary) not untill after the birth of Her first born son, and She called His name Yeshua ( Jesus ). We all know that in Biblical terms , to know someone , sexual relations are meant. In the NIV it actually says sexual relations. The Douay Rheims which has been translated from the Latin Vulgate says the same, He knew her not until the birth and so on. This version the Douay Rheims even has pope Leo XIII's Appoval from 1582. Then the rcc's here turn around and say this is not a catholic version, even though it is very much so
---wayne on 4/27/09


MIC And your point is what, James was the leader of the Church, not Peter

17When we arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers received us warmly. 18The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. 19Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. Acts 21. Peter never said anything about the perpetual virginity of Mary, no where in scripture does the rcc doctrine appear. Its the rcc's doctrine alone, Its not scriptural.
---wayne on 4/27/09


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Wayne:-What is "truth"I mean not the stuff you speak. But the "REAL TRUTH"Would you recognise it if you saw it?well look at Matt16:13-19Its there "MY CHURCH"under Peter.
TRUE valiant Gentlemen always uphold a Ladys Honour, and never speak about things they cannot prove prove 'conclusively.'Unfortunately the lie you speak of comes from your mouth-Reminder"Its not what goes into the mouth that defiles BUT WHAT COMES OUT"Jesus words.You still have not declared what denomination you go under.Natalie has you all wrapped up and safely secured except for your postulations you present, which are irk some.
---MIC on 4/27/09


Wayne ... When you addressed "Allen" did you mean me?

If so it is clear you neither read my name correctly, nor what I said. I do NOT defend the RCC doctrine (which I think is incorrect)... but I criticise the way in which you attack it.

I have not been able to find that any Bible actually says that "Mary had sexual relations after the birth Of Yeshua"

You now claim that the Bible (and the Vulgate) says that she did. Please can you quote the passage that specifically says so.

That would be the honest way of answering my point
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/27/09


Natalie, Allen,

Scripture does say it, and you have poked no holes in anything except your own defense of rcc doctrine. So keep trying.
---wayne on 4/27/09


PERPETUAL VIRGINITY & #8209, According to Catholic doctrine, Mary was a virgin before, during and after the birth of Christ.[19]

Matthew 1:24-25 says, Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Till (until) means that after that point, Joseph did know (have sexual relations with) Mary. (See Genesis 4:1 where Adam knew Eve and she conceived and had a son.)

Jesus had brothers and sisters. The Bible even tells us their names. Matthew 13:54-56 says,
---wayne on 4/27/09


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20Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind." Mark 3:20-21

So rcc's who is the family spoken of here? Yeshua's own family didnt believe Him. So answer this, if you can. Family....could it be brothers, sisters, Mother, who is the family that didnt believe Yeshua. As you can see , family and disciples are mentioned, so who is the family???? Your doctrine is so flawed!
---wayne on 4/27/09


2 Peter 3:16-18 (New International Version)
16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

17Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position. 18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
---wayne on 4/27/09


For all of you rcc's, it doesnt matter the translation, for even the Latin Vulgate says Mary had sexual relations after the birth Of Yeshua. So dont try it, just because you wish to believe a lie. Well believe a lie, its your choice, but you can answer for it when you meet the Almighty.
---wayne on 4/26/09

No, you can give me the answer now.
You won't because you know it isn't in the Latin Vulgate.

Just like your other Passages you gave, I poke holes in the soft spots.

Give proofs, not your opinions.
Thanks.
---Natalie2 on 4/27/09


Nathalie2 telling you the truth, it is the nondenominational churches who are the original curch and not RCC. besides bigness does not prove youre in the right. remember the parable of the broad and narrow way? everyone one the broad way said in his heart, we are right look at the bigness odf our road. as RCC qsays look how we have filled the entire world surely noone can take uus away surely i will never be barren... however look at your end, an cry and weep change your celebration gowns put them down. sit in ashes and beg Giod that he may restore you.
---Andy on 4/27/09


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Wayne ... "even the Latin Vulgate says Mary had sexual relations after the birth Of Yeshua"

Wayne, you spoil your argument, because no Bible actually says that.

I happen to believe that there is nothing to suggest that Joseph & Mary did not have a normal married life after Jesus was born, and it is most likely that they did.

But no Bible actually says definitely that they did.
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/27/09


For all of you rcc's, it doesnt matter the translation, for even the Latin Vulgate says Mary had sexual relations after the birth Of Yeshua. So dont try it, just because you wish to believe a lie. Well believe a lie, its your choice, but you can answer for it when you meet the Almighty.
---wayne on 4/26/09


To argue uselessly is futile.B/c Truth remains unchanged.Alan is perfectly right valid questions may be asked to clarify a point which is not understandable.But certain answers rest with God who is the Author.BTW Mary is Mother of the whole world and the patron of the USA. "BEHOLD YOUR MOTHER"You may argue this till the cows come home accept it as an obedient
child of God Christian/Catholic /or any denom.(Eloy to note).Jesus dying words are few But clear.Wayne said it specifically "You received the truth and hence cannot refute it".That is why I contend "uselesss arguement"Truth cannot change.Interpretations will Vary but NOT TRUTH.
---MIC on 4/25/09


Mima, Mary is the daughter of Her owen Son.
---Paul2 on 4/24/09
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Yes true for queen of heaven Mary ...as taught by babylonian Ishtar now rcc's Mary

BIBLICAL Mary's parents are recorded in Luke Chapters 1-3 a detailed recording to understand lineage of King David's throne passing to Christ through Joseph

truth is always stranger than fiction ...why fables of rcc have a stronghold over many

Mary had many children with Joseph ...rcc dismisses Holy Word of God choosing to follow ANOTHER Christ 2Corin 11:4

rcc does not cherish Gods Word Matt 4:4, Luke 11:28 ...instead choosing their own traditions over God Mark 7:6-7

Mary NOT daughter of Christ that is antichrist
---Rhonda on 4/24/09


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Explain, its probably nonsense?
We know from at least three scriptures that Yeshua had brothers, Matthew 12:46, Luke 8:19, and Mark 3:31.
What would be the point of Mary remaining a virgin after the birth unless God considers marriage a defilement?
Puleeze, do our Catholic brethren make this stuff up out of whole cloth?

Where's the beef? (scripture).
---larry on 4/24/09


Mima, Mary is the daughter of Her owen Son.
---Paul2 on 4/24/09


Mima ... Do you have children? I have.

Even if you don't, you must understand that the father of a family belongs to it, and alo a member of it.

There are various grounds on which Roman Catholicism can be validly questioned ... there is no need to ask nonsensical questions to try and make some sort of spurious point.
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/24/09


Question for those that believe that Mary is the mother of the Catholic Church?
How can Mary be the mother of a membership that includes herself?
---mima on 4/24/09


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Andy, RCC a wild vine? How many Protestants Churches have broken off from each other. The old ones are dying.

Churches now are called 'The river of life' or 'New Convenant'. They are not building new Churches and calling it Baptist or Assembly of God. They are leaving the traditional names of Protestant's names.
Now many don't even want to put a name to their gathering Church and called the Non-denominational which are listed in the Phone books as such title.

The RCC hasn't changed and growing leaps and bounds as Jesus promised. Close to 2 billion now. 2000 years. Matthew 16:13-19

That should tell you something.
Yours keeps changing again and again.

History proves Jesus' Words are True, Faithful and Everlasting.
---Natalie2 on 4/24/09


Wayne, Joseph was going to put her away not marrying her.
The angel told him to marry. If they were having relations, Joseph would have assumed the child was his.

U keep bringing up Douey Rhiems Bible. The RCC doesn't take the Douey Rhiems' Translation as official. They found many mistakes and don't recommend it. Many believe it is a common Bible for the both of us.
American Bible: Matthew 1:25 He had no relations with her until she bore a son,

Matthew concern is to emphasize Joesph isn't Jesus natural father.
The Greek word translated "until" does not imply normal marital conduct after Jesus' birth, nor does it exclude it.
But, the other people the Bible makes sure U know of the relations producing a child.
---Natalie2 on 4/24/09


Ruben, you make no sense what so ever. It all comes down to the fact that if you or Natalie admit that scripture does say Mary had sexual relations, it then proves the rcc doctrine wrong.
---wayne on 4/23/09

Let see if I can make it clearer for you,

You use Matthew 1:25 'sexual relation until as proof they had physical contact after. I use scripture verses that use the same word until, but it does not mean what you want it to say example:
Matt. 28:29 reads " I am with you "until the end of the world."

Using your logic on Matthew 1:25, this means Jesus will no longer be we us when the world ends!
---Ruben on 4/24/09


Nathalie2 Jesus was talking about Gods commandments bible words versus CHURCHBOOKS if one needs to transform what you said. believe me this rebuke that Jesus gave to the pharisees and saducees would be verry apliccable to most churches today. and especially the RCC. who has taken the seat of Moses. the rcc claims to be the mother and teacher of all churches. well not MY Church. Nathalie was it not to the Romans that Paul wrote about the rejection of the people of Israel? what was added is that if God can remove the true vine, then you as a wild vine should not boast. fact is God has cut away the RCC because of their stubborn violation of Gods word in favor of Human tradition, yet if the RCCrepents God can reintegrate it upon the trunk Jesus.
---Andy on 4/24/09


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Ruben, you make no sense what so ever. It all comes down to the fact that if you or Natalie admit that scripture does say Mary had sexual relations, it then proves the rcc doctrine wrong. Then if the rcc is wrong on this, what other teachings might be wrong. So its easier to just argue and close your eyes to the truth. Thats fine, you can beleieve what you wish, for God gave us free will, but remember as you pray to Mary and feel she is a virgin forever, Queen of Heaven, co redeemer and mediatrix that its all from man, not from God, one day you will answer for it.
---wayne on 4/23/09


Natalie, one explanation of why the beloved disciple took charge of Mary at the Cross may be that Jesus' siblings were living in Galilee but Mary wished to stay in Jerusalem. But it may be too that the beloved disciple is merely a literary device contrived by the author of the fourth Gospel.
---JohnnyB on 4/23/09


Matthew 1:24-25 (American Standard Version)

24 And Joseph arose from his sleep, and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took unto him his wife,

25 and knew her not till she had brought forth a son: and he called his name JESUS

Natalie, the american standard version is a rcc version, the Douey Rhiems version says the same thing. You just dont want to accept the truth. The Douey Rhiems says this: And He knew her not till she brought forth her first born son and he called his name Jesus
---wayne on 4/23/09


24 When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded and took Mary as his wife. 25 But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.

---wayne on 4/23/09

Wayne Matt. 28:29 reads " I am with you "until the end of the world."

I guess when the world ends he no longer will be with us.

Gen 8:7 -- the raven "did not return TILL the waters were dried up..."

Did the raven return,,,NO!

2 Sam 6:23 -- Michal "had no children TILL the day of her death

Did Michal have other children after she die...NO!
---Ruben on 4/23/09


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Wayne your translation is wrong. I never seen any translation used the words sexual relation with Joseph.
Just because I find a translation that states Joseph NEVER had relations with Mary I would not trust that translation as well.

The actual translation always used the word 'before'.

No wonder you think you are right. You have a Bible to fit your Christian beliefs.
I bet it also has seeds instead of seed in Genesis 3:15 trying to say Mary had more than one child.

Jesus proves in John 19:26-27 He didn't have siblings. Explain?
Why didn't the other sons take Mary away from John after His death?
Afterall they didn't believe Jesus was coming back?

Because there wasn't any other children to take care for her.
---Natalie2 on 4/23/09


---Natalie2
Mary was called mediatrixin the 1854 bull Ineffabilisof Pope Pius IX, the same document that proclaimed her immaculate conception. Catholic authorities take this to mean two things: 1. Mary is the Mediatrix of all graces by her co-operation in the Incarnation. And 2. Mary is the Mediatrix of all graces by her intercession in Heaven. According to Pope Leo XIII in Magnae Dei Matris: Nothing whatever of that immense treasure of all graces, which the Lord brought us . . . is granted to us save through Mary, so that, just as no one can come to the Father on high except through the Son, so almost in the same manner, no one can come to Christ except through his Mother.
---wayne on 4/23/09


Natalie, Marys cooperation in the incarnation has earned her title Coredemptrix = Coredemptress, which has been current since the fifteenth century. This, Catholic scholars remind us, must not be conceived the sense of an equation of the efficacy of Mary with the redemptive activity of Christ,Redeemer of humanity (I Tim. 2, 5).For she herself required redemption in fact was redeemed by Christ.Nonetheless, as Catholic scholars point out, In the power of the grace of Redemption merited by Christ, Mary, by her spiritual entering into the sacrifice of her Divine son for men, made atonement for the sins of men, and merited the application of the redemptive grace of Christ. In this manner she co-operates in the subjective redemption of mankind.
---wayne on 4/23/09


Natalie2
Matthew 1:24-25 (New Living Translation)

24 When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded and took Mary as his wife. 25 But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.


Matthew 1:24-25 (American Standard Version)

24 And Joseph arose from his sleep, and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him, and took unto him his wife,

25 and knew her not till she had brought forth a son: and he called his name JESUS.


Natalie, sorry but it does say She had sexual relations, heres 2 versions
---wayne on 4/23/09


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Natalie, once again I am giving you the scripture from Matthew's Gospel. It does say Mary had sexual relations with Joseph. Now you cannot say anything different.
---wayne on 4/23/09


Andy, too vague. What Dogma is against the Bible? The Pope isn't infallible 24/7
Infallible only on Matters and Faith.

Only you are making up this Authority of the Bible above everything else.
My Bible with Jesus states the opposite of You.
Matthew 15:3 "Why do you break the Commandments of the God for the sake of your tradition?..
Note the words 'your tradition.' We Catholics practice God's traditions.

Matthew 23:2-3
"The scribes and the Phariees have taken their seat on the CHAIR OF MOSES. Therefore, DO AND OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER they tell you, but do not follow their example. They preach but they do not pratice.

Look! The same word given to Peter in Matthew 16:19 "WHATSOEVER"
---Natalie2 on 4/23/09


Wayne, I answered all your statements. But, for some reason they didn't post them.

The Bible isn't shy about telling us about relation CLEARLY.

1 Samuel 1:19-20 When Elkanah had relations with his wife Hannah the Lord remembered her. She conceived..
2 Samuel 11:4-5 When she came to him, he had relations with her,..the woman had conceived,
Luke 1:23-24...he went home. After this time his wife Elizabeth conceived.

Clear, Wayne. Your words isn't.
Never did they state Joseph had relations with Mary. Not once. You only assume. Don't add, just read.
I can say I never before ate raw fish when I was in Japan. I still haven't eaten raw fish. My 1st statement is okay to say.

My Bible never changes, does your?
---Natalie2 on 4/23/09


Mary as a perpetual virgin, Co-Redemptrix, and Mediatrix.--wayne

It isn't nice to tell falsehood.
Can we stop wasting time?
Can we debate on actual beliefs and instead of beliefs you paste on us Catholic?
Too much to ask?

CCC# 499-507 speaks on Perpetual virgin.
CCC# 969-971 Mediatrix to Jesus, not God. It states she isn't the source.

#970...NO CREATURE (Mary is a creature) could be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer.

Just the opposite of your so called 'co-redemptrix'. This is a falsehood you all love to try to claim we believe.
You made it up and you know it.
If you didn't, give the CCC#.
You should be ashame of yourself.
How can we believe anything else you say?
---Natalie2 on 4/23/09


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1st Timothy 4:1-2-3 says"1-Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils, 2-Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron, 3-Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which BELIEVE AND KNOW THE TRUTH ." If doctrines of Devils is, forbidding to marry,(could this possibly refer to the practice of the Roman Catholic priest?) Commanding to abstain from meats,(could this possibly refer to the practice of the believers in the RCC of only eating fish on Friday) which is still practiced by many older Catholics?)
---mima on 4/21/09


the RCChas the canonical and the duetero canonical books, the RCC has canonised tradition and legends, the RCC has declared that murderes are saints. pope Leo 1, Innocent 4 legalising torture, sixtus 4 aproved the spanish inquisition. to give some examples. is the RCC ideas eventobe taken as serious Christian thought?
---Andy on 4/21/09


Heres another point. There is a reason the rcc made it an offense punishable by death to posses a copy of scripture, because scripture doesnt match up with rcc doctrine. Only clergy were to read scripture to the layity. Because of the fact that if the common laymen ever read it for themselves the rcc doctrine would fall apart, and that has happened already. Scripture doesnt support over half of the major doctrines of the rcc, but rcc believers dont care. No wonder the American Bishops council of the rcc voted in Oct of 2008 that the Bible should not be used for salvation, only the magisterium of the church can show the way to salvation.
---wayne on 4/20/09


The Catholic Church has canonized the Bible, therefore they believe it is the inspired word of God. They assembled the scriptures to make what we now call the Bible. They stand behind it as truth, and we know it's suitable for teaching, reproof, correcting, and training in righteousness.

So do you deny what the church canonized as God's truth? Do you reject, the scriptures that the Lord quoted many times during His ministry here on Earth? Do you accept what your church declared as truth, or do you reject what your church declared as truth. The Word of God was here before any of us were created, and as such is HE is the only infallible Being.
---Gregg on 4/20/09


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Ruben, as you can see from your own answers, scripture doesnt matter to you at all. The Holy Word of God says Mary had relations with her husband, the rcc says she didnt, and yet you would rather listen to the rcc. What does that say????? The Most High has stated truth, but to you it has no bearing because you are so diluted in your thinking that you can no longer see straight. You follow the doctrines of devils, lies falsehood. Well as I said, argue with your church, they are the ones who lied to you. And as of yet, no one has proved the scriptures wrong, and why??? You cannot.
---wayne on 4/20/09


wayne* In view of all this biblical evidence, there seems to be no real scriptural basis for the Catholic belief in Marys perpetual virginity.

Where in scripture does it say a doctrine has to be in the bible in oder to be true?

wayne *Response to Argument from Tradition. Some early Fathers opposed the concept of the perpetual virginity of Mary, including Tertullian.

And some believe, Athanasius,Jerome,Augustine,Ambrose...


---Ruben on 4/20/09


Duane, there are lots of things the Bible doesn't mention but that does not mean they did not happen.

What's missing in the Bible, I'd take it from Tradition.

Some of you guys keep saying "false" that it became your signature tune when you refer to Catholics.
---Paul2 on 4/20/09


Are people so blind as this. Its the attitude of who cares what scripture says, our church says something different and thats the way were going to believe. How much more blind can people get. Mary had relations with her husband, scripture say it plainly!!!!
---wayne on 4/20/09


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How important is for our salvation whether Mary remained Virgin or not?

We Catcholics believe she did, others don't. Why do we keep arguing about it for years and years?

Mary remained exactly as God wanted Her to remain.
---Paul2 on 4/20/09

I would have to "?" my belief if I believed you,
You truly have err'd when it comes to God's words, THERE is nothing in the Bible that would lead someone to believe she(Mary) REMAINED a virgin, and CALLING men "Father",ect. ect. ect.

Only the imagination of men could come up with that one!
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 4/20/09


How important is for our salvation whether Mary remained Virgin or not?

We Catcholics believe she did, others don't. Why do we keep arguing about it for years and years?

Mary remained exactly as God wanted Her to remain.
---Paul2 on 4/20/09


Even the old Catholic church objects against this false doctrine of Marie's perpetual virginity. so it is not only the protestants that have problrems with it.
---Andy on 4/20/09


The second and main source of Catholic dogma, the Protoevangelium of James, is claimed to have been authored around a.d. 120, though the real date of its authorship cannot be known. It claims to record a great deal of history regarding Mary and Joseph before the Bible Gospel accounts pick it up. None of what is written in the Protoevangelium can be verified from the Bible, the Bible actually contradicts it in many of its passages
---wayne on 4/17/09


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In view of all this biblical evidence, there seems to be no real scriptural basis for the Catholic belief in Marys perpetual virginity.

Response to Argument from Tradition. Some early Fathers opposed the concept of the perpetual virginity of Mary, including Tertullian. The first-century Jewish historian Josephus referred to James as the brother of Jesus. Further, the doctrine was neither widely accepted nor formulated by creed or even local church councils until several centuries after the time of Christ. Like many other traditions, there is no evidence to support the idea that it was an apostolic teaching, as Catholics claim. Nor is it built on any alleged unanimous consent of the Fathers,of which the Council of Trent speaks.
---wayne on 4/17/09


Once again I have given conclusive proof that the perpetual virginity doctrine is wrong. And from this doctrine springs other doctrines about Mary which almost if not actually Deify her. There is one God the Father, one Mediator between God and man, the man Yeshua Ha Mashiach. So argue all you wish, but your arguments are based on nothing but the rcc's own doctrines, or on plain lies and falsehoods. So go to your church leaders and ask them why they lied to you, what was the purpose for the lies. Dont come to me to argue, I told the truth, your church told the lies. The Holy Scriptures are the truth, so dont argue the point with me.
---wayne on 4/17/09


If Mary were dead she would roll over in her grave with embarrassment if she heard all this argument about her life! God bless.
---JohnnyB on 4/17/09


The first source of their doctrine stems from the minds of men. Catholic teachings use sermons and works of ancient Catholic scholars and popes, most of which lived around a.d. 250 to a.d. 400, in an attempt to add historical weight to their position. None of these arguments are accompanied by biblical facts. They merely state their belief in sophistic language. As an example, Pope Siricius i writes, You had good reason to be horrified at the thought that another birth might issue from the same virginal womb from which Christ was born according to the flesh. (letter to Bishop Anysius, a.d. 392).
---wayne on 4/17/09


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See, none of you who belong to the rcc can actually answer the posts, you come up with excuses and dance around the subject. I feel for you! I truely do! Look at the truth for once. And as far as the name Yeshua, it has nothing to do with the name jesus, for Yeshua in english would be Joshua. jesus is a pagan name.
---wayne on 4/17/09


None of you will even use His real name, its as if your embarrassed of HIm.
---wayne on 4/13/09

Please tell me what His name really is? Is it Yeshua or Yashua? His name means the "Lord is my Salvation". The Lord was referred to as "Ya" or "El". Jesus often said I come in the name of My Father. What is the name of The Father? The correct pronunciation of YHWH has been lost in time. Speaking in this vein, why do we pronounce Moshe as Moses or Yirmiyahu as Jeremiah.

Please do not insult us. Please understand that Yeshua is an English transliteration of a Hebrew word/name and is no better than the Greek transliteration of Jesus.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/17/09


John 2:12

"After this He went down to Capernaum, He, and His Mother, and His Brethren, and His disciples: and they continued there not many days."
Lest anyone should try and wrest the Word and claim that this word brethren is talking about those in Christ (spiritual brethren), here we see God showing us the disciples (spiritual family) were distinct "from" his Brethren and Mother (Blood family). It was his Mother, his Brothers, "and" the Disciples.
---wayne on 4/17/09

John 20:17-18

"Jesus saith unto her, but go to my brethren, and say unto them"...Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples"

Now going by your logic, why did Mary M disobey the Lord?
---Ruben on 4/17/09


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