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Baptized Two Times

In next 19 verse five you read,"When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." Question--- was this the second time these people were baptized? If it was the second time why was the second time necessary?

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During the days of Jesus, Jesus was babtized when he was an adult. He setting a way for us to follow. Meaning,(being babtized as a child is incorrect, for the child has no meaning of right & wrong.(con)
---Johnny_5 on 1/20/08


When you give birth to a child, and a babtism is done, it's done in vain, because the child is unaware of it's decisions in life. As for an adult, you have made your mind up. As for multiple babtisims,(cont.)
---Johnny_5 on 1/20/08


Being babtised more than once is not necessary for an adult. Because in a meaning, you crucify our Lord over & over again. When a person gets babtized, it should mean FOREVER!!!!
---Johnny_5 on 1/20/08


Harry,
What is HRW
---Betty on 1/19/08


Robyn is correct as their is nothing wrong with making a public declaration of Jesus Christ being your Lord and Saviour. He said that if we deny him he shall dent us. If we are ashamed of him he'l be ashamed of us. Multiple baptisms can also give a clear conscience when going from sprinkling to titles to the name. Why should some judge what others do with a clear conscience?
Frank
---Frank on 1/19/08




There are three baptisms that I personally Know of and all are different. The first is the water baptism whish is a literal washing of the water. this represents death and resurrection, because of the going under the water and coming back up. It show that we accept the death of ourselves(spiritually speaking) and Chris being born in us.
---Jody on 1/18/08


The second is the baptism of the word of God(in the name of the Lord). Rev 19:13 say His vesture was dipped in blood and His name is called the word of God. So this is a spirituls baptism that occurs every time we hear the word. It also represents water. Eph5:26 "That he might sactify and clease it with the washing of the water by the word" So this signifies that everytime you hear the word you are cleased like baptism. Now are you clean by the words I have spoken unto you.
---Jody on 1/18/08


Remember that it is written "i will raise you up on the last day". There are seven days in a week, and on the sabboth you hear the word of God and are raised up by it like you would be in a literal baptism. The third is the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Not everyone that believes in Christ will recieve this. Only those pure in heart. The devils in hell believe and they tremble, and I don't thik they have the Holy Ghost. I hoe this answers some of your questions and maybe some of others.
---Jody on 1/18/08


John the baptist disciples needed to be baptized in Jesus Name, like everyone else. Its the only name that saves. Titles dont save, the ONLY way anyone was baptized in acts was in THAT NAME. prove me wrong! show me scripture from acts where they used the titles. 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16 - all Jesus name. If its done right you only need to be baptized once. you are baptized into Jesus' death (Rom 6:3-4, col 2:12) He only was buried once. Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
---Kraus on 1/18/08


If you was Baptized before the age you knew what was happening, You might want to do it again,NOT to say when you were Baptized as a Child did'nt matter though ok?
1Peter3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
---Duane_M on 1/18/08




It would not hurt to be baptized several times. There is no set number of times to do so. I was baptized as a child and again as an adult. I did not remember all of when I was a child. I will probably be baptized again in a few years. I don't think it will hurt anything.
---Robyn on 1/18/08


This will be a long answer- When Paul met these people He found out that they were disciples of John the Baptist.Paul understood that when John baptized this was a "transition" period.What I mean is,It was the time period between The Gospel of Jesus Christ coming into place and old testament animal sacrifice going out.
---donald on 1/18/08


Therefore,they being baptized by John was "unto repentance."When Paul realized this He knew that there was a better way now--Baptism in the name of Jesus!! Acts 2:38 says how to be saved.Paul knowing this doctrine was teaching them a better way.
---donald on 1/18/08


notice that he asked them about recieving the Holy Ghost-(not enough just to believe) and being baptized in Jesus'name-(not just any old baptism will do!!)WHEN they heard it,they did it!!
---donald on 1/18/08


Acts 19:1-7. Paul came across some men and asked them if they received the Holy Ghost (baptism of the Holy Ghost) since they believed. They didn't for they haven't heard of this teachings. Paul baptized them again, and this time they were baptized by the Holy Ghost, and spoke in tongues. They got baptized again so they could get the baptism of the Holy Ghost. If you would read 1-7, you'll get a better understanding.
---Rebecca_D on 1/18/08


Emma, Biblically, Jesus ordained presbyters to perform baptisms and other tasks and gave them all proper instruction on how to carry this out. Some of this instruction is provided in the scriptures, although the details were more in the traditions as recorded in the Didache and by the Early Church Fathers. This is important because before you can be baptised you need to be properly instructed = Peter warned of the unlearned twisting scripture to their own destruction, this still happens.
---lorra8574 on 5/31/07


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Can we Baptize ourselves, by sprinkle of water?
---emma on 5/31/07


Fist we are baptized with the Blood of the Spirit. This is the Living Water o0f John 4. then we are Baptized under the regular Baptist Church Water to show outwardly that we have accepted Jesus. This is when we join the others in the Baptist who believe this. HRW
---harry on 5/22/07


John baptised with water but Jesus will baptize with fire.
---anonymous on 5/22/07


Augusta - ("I asked if you ever specifically prayed for and asked Him to. Understand?") -- Yes I understand what you are saying perfectly. And my answer is yes. What is it you would like me to say Augusta?
---Helen_5378 on 5/17/07


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Augusta - Have a good holiday. Good to get all the cobwebs cleaned out. :)
---Helen_5378 on 5/17/07


*Augusta - For the final time, my answer to your question is YES.
---Helen_5378 on 5/16/07*

No, Helen, you never answered it the first time, or the second.
So you'll have to clarify what your "final" yes means.

Again, I never asked you "if the Lord always reveals truth to you" (or not). I asked if you ever specifically prayed for and asked Him to. Understand?
---augusta on 5/16/07


Btw, Helen, I'm going on vacation soon, so if you do get back to me it may be awhile before I get back to you.

blessings,,

augusta
---augusta on 5/16/07


Helen, all Catholics who know their faith, know that Jesus died for their sins. That is as foolish as asking if the Pope is Catholic.
---lorra8574 on 5/16/07


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Oh, and btw, alan, I couldn't help noticing you seem to be having problems getting answers to some of you questions, as well.

Then again, perhaps yours were just rhetorical. (and if so, good questions just the same. ;)
---augusta on 5/16/07


Alan, I think you confused frustration for hostility (on my part anyway). I don't hold any hostility towards Helen. As a matter of fact, being a former Protestant myself for many years, I haven't yet seen one Christian on this board that I can't relate to. *What* it is that I can't relate to at all are disingenuous answers to simple questions (especially when they aren't even about doctrine).
---augusta on 5/16/07


AlanofUK - I have yet to see where Augusta has said that she believes that Jesus died for her sins. Have you?
---Helen_5378 on 5/16/07


Helen & Augusta ... .# 1 Are we not all different? With different expereinces, hurts, needs, responsibilities, at different points in life?
May it not be that the answers given to us are different because they refer to different aspects of our different lives?
There are Truths about all sorts of things in the Bible, and God will reveal to each of us the Truths that we each need to know.<
---alan_of_UK on 5/16/07


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Helen & Augusta ... .# 2 And none of us know which Truths the other needs, save the central one, that Jesus died to save us.
There is no dispute between yuo on that one.
I think the rest of yuor hostility towards each other is because you do not see (and cannot know) what God is showing to the other.
---alan_of_UK on 5/16/07


Augusta - For the final time, my answer to your question is YES.
---Helen_5378 on 5/16/07


Marie, the so-called "Apocrypha" found in the Catholic Bible match very well with Christ's teachings. I have read them, have you? Further, these books represent a large gap in your Biblical history. Don't you find it strange that the history of God's people should stop in the centuries leading up to the Messiah? The closer we get to Christ's birth, the more information was revealed.
---lorra8574 on 5/16/07


Marie P2: Paul and the Pharisees believed in the Resurrection of the Body, even those who did not believe in Christ - but you won't find this in your OT. The Book of Sirach sounds a lot like Christ wrote it Himself. The Book of Wisdom is amazing and has an incredible and true prophesy about Jesus.
---lorra8574 on 5/16/07


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Helen, is this a game to you? You know I didn't ask you if Jesus always reveals His truth to you or not. I asked you very concisely if you ever prayed and ASKED Him to reveal it to you.

This makes me wonder if you know the definition of the word "truth". Your standards for it appear quite low.

I'll answer your questions when you provide honest answers to mine.
---augusta on 5/15/07


Augusta - I have already told you. YES. Now, how about you answer my question. Unless you really are not sure.
---Helen_5378 on 5/14/07


Why can't you answer my question, Helen? I asked have you ever prayed to the Lord and asked Him to reveal His truth to you?

Have you never read this in your bible?

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear." (1 Pe 3:15)
---augusta on 5/14/07


To---Kevin --- yes there are some born-again Catholics. After becoming born- again Catholics are generally in a quandary not knowing what to do. Some quickly dropped out of the Catholic church and go to other churches. Some drop out the Catholic Church and do not attend any church. Still others attend the Catholic Church but do not take part in their rituals. I have seen many Catholics become born-again while witnessing on the streets.
---Mima on 5/14/07


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Augusta - Jesus always reveals His truth to me. Now, getting back to my question to you. How do you know it was the Lord calling you into the RCC? The stone and the serpent etc. have nothing to do with it.
---Helen_5378 on 5/14/07


Helen, I've already answered your question. It was you who didn't answer mine.

Here's my post again in case your missed it.

I fervently desired His truth all my life, prayed for it without ceasing, and He answered my prayer.

If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? (Lu 11:11)

Have you asked Christ to reveal His truth to you, Helen?
---augusta on 5/1/07
---augusta on 5/14/07


Acts 19:1-5, John the Baptist could only offer the Baptism of Repentance. He could not offer the full Baptism that Christ brought. Note that in verse 6, it does not appear that Paul did the full baptismal ritual, but only completed it with the laying on of hands to confer the Holy Ghost.
---lorra8574 on 5/13/07


Part 2: To be properly baptised, one is baptised with water to symbolize the washing away of sins (baptism of repentence) and the washing of regeneration (rebirth and resurrection); and also with the laying on of hands to confer the Holy Ghost. Since they had already received the baptism of repentence, only the laying of hands of the presbyterate was still necessary. Baptising with the Trinitarian formula.
---lorra8574 on 5/13/07


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Augusta - I ask you again, how do you know it was the Lord?
---Helen_5378 on 5/1/07


1. Sorry to inform you, but there is no such thing as a Born Again Catholic. If your following all of the Catholic ways, then you cannot be Born Again. Also, if you were, you would know the difference.
When It comes to the things of God, I stay away from any books as a guide, unless it's the pure Word of God. KJV is the Book to read. Take any other book such as a help book on understanding terms and doctrines, with a grain of salt.
---Kevin on 5/1/07


2. Man is fallable and makes mistakes, and is prone to have biased views that are not the ways of God. It's the nature of man. If if you think I'm blowing smoke and don't know what I'm saying here, then you will find out either way. There is a way that seems right to us, but in the end there is death. The Word of God should be your only guide, because everything we do should revolve around it. Anytime you deveate from God's plan, you will always run into trouble. His Word indures forever.
---Kevin on 5/1/07


Helen: *Augusta - But surely if the prayers you prayed were answered by the Lord, then you would know why? How do you know it was the Lord?*

Helen, I told you why. I fervently desired His truth all my life, prayed for it without ceasing, and He answered my prayer.

If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? (Lu 11:11)

Have you asked Christ to reveal His truth to you, Helen?
---augusta on 5/1/07


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Augusta - But surely if the prayers you prayed were answered by the Lord, then you would know why? How do you know it was the Lord?
---Helen_5378 on 5/1/07


*Augusta - If God did call you into the Catholic Church, then why do you think He did that?
---Helen_5378 on 4/29/07*

I can't speak for the Lord, Helen. All I can tell you is that I spent many years in prayer for His truth and He answered them.
---augusta on 4/30/07


*augusta, Of course I didn't read the Bible when I was a Catholic, and I was never encouraged to, either.*

Marie, when I was a Protestant I had never had a single pastor tell me to read the bible either. I didn't need anyone to tell me to though because I loved reading the bible and did so often.

Atleast when you were a Catholic you had the catechism, which explicitly states that we need to read the bible often. Did you read the catechism?

con't
---augusta on 4/30/07


2. Plus, if you attended mass (you didn't answer if or how often you attended) you heard much more of the word than I ever did in the Protestant churches.

The fact is, though, almost everyone who leaves the Catholic Church for doctrinal reasons did very little bible reading; Whereas Protestants who make the decision to convert to Catholicism have usually studied the bible indepth.
---augusta on 4/30/07


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*augusta, I went to Catholic school and church, and never did they encourage me to read the Bible. What are you talking about?
---Gary on 4/30/07*

Gary, atleast the Catholic church read the bible to you. I went to a Pentecostal church where I never even heard the bible, much less was told to read it. I heard lots of 'tongues' and the pastor's analogies on his fishing trips with his son, but never once did I hear the word of God in that church.
---augusta on 4/30/07


Jim, I use to believe the same thing for years. Please read lorra's blog on what it means to be born again, and study the bible in this light comparing it to what you believe. There is also a very good book called Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic by David Currie that is an excellent read on the subject.
---augusta on 4/30/07


augusta, I went to Catholic school and church, and never did they encourage me to read the Bible. What are you talking about?
---Gary on 4/30/07


augusta, Of course I didn't read the Bible when I was a Catholic, and I was never encouraged to, either. Never the less, since then I have read the Douay-Rheims Bible and the King James version. You have contradictions in your Bible, and not just a few. I going to let you look them up since it bothers you so much. Just compare the Apocrapha with the truth of God's Word. Why are you still reading this? You have work to do.
---Marie on 4/30/07


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augusta, Marie is right. If your following all of the Catholic ways, you can't be born again, because your relying on other things to save you along with belief in Christ. You don't know what born again means then. We are not to boast in ourselves. He does it all. The only thing that we have to do is believe. Then the works follow, at His lead.
---Jim on 4/30/07


My last post didn't make it either...here it is again.

*Marie: augusta, I don't believe you. Why would God tell me one thing, and you another?*

That's what I asked you, Marie. I wrote: why don't we compare our own testimonies and see how this can be? I asked, did you attend mass often? If so, did you follow the bible readings closely and/or follow up on them? And did you study the bible often on your own when you were a Catholic?

But you didn't give me an answer. How come, Marie??
---augusta on 4/30/07


Augusta - If God did call you into the Catholic Church, then why do you think He did that?
---Helen_5378 on 4/29/07


Mark, a house divided against itself cannot stand.
---augusta on 4/29/07


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Wowee, division b/w people b/c they cant believe that GOd opperates in a diverse amount of ways...augusta if God called you to the catholic church i believe you go bring renewal to the catholic church that is not quite there biblically....Marie I'm sure God has you in a different place you are both true christians..but jsut b/c it doesnt fit in Our little theological head knowledge box in your head doesnt mean God cant opperate outside of Our little box
---mark on 4/29/07


augusta, I don't believe you. Why would God tell me one thing, and you another?
To be a Catholic (following the Catholic teachings with all the false doctrines),you cannot please God. So, in reality, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BORN AGAIN CATHOLIC.
So augusta dear, you cannot fool a true Christian.
You can deny what I said if you choose, but if you do, you deny God's truth.
Come to God's truth.
Emcee, no one gave me proof, so I will move on. Thanks for your your time.
---Marie on 4/29/07


Marie, the first part of my last post didn't make it to the board. Here it is, and I hope you can reply when you get a chance.

1. Marie, the Holy Spirit called me out of Protestantism to the Catholic Church, and in quite a miraculous way. So being that I'm sure we both agree the Holy Spirit cannot lie, why don't we compare our own testimonies and see how this can be?
---augusta on 4/28/07


Marie::You ask for proof so what is YOUR truth which made you Leave this RCCchurch Of Jesus Christ Matt16::17-19where in the Bible does God tell us to change churches & leave HIS Church under HIS guidance: do YOU have PROOF DOCUMENTED.Did God ask Eve to eat the apple or Forbidden Fruit?Which God will tell His child to leave his church;or a mother tell a child leave home & go to a house of ill repute.Show me evidence of Documented churches in the word.
---Emcee on 4/28/07


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Ruth Anne Adams "...I am called a "revert". Reverts are noticeably different from their cradle counterparts who stay out of convenience, inertia, habit [a good one, but a habit nonetheless] good fellowship or the ethnic components of being Catholic. Reverts have lost the faith, and then see it for what it is, and hold onto the faith as if their lives depended upon it. Because it does." Ruth Anne has a public online Blog from which I borrowed this.
---lorra8574 on 4/28/07


*augusta, please post those testimonies with proof.*

Marie, I could sit here all day for weeks on end and post them. The problem is, being testimonies, they're long, of course, and these blogs are limited to 85 characters. Email me here though and I can provide you with more than you can read. (augua9846)

con't
---augua9846 on 4/28/07


2.Again, do you have any testimonies that I requested? How many Protestants do you know who converted to Catholicism returned?

"Every Catholic that I know that left the Catholic Church and got Born Again, never returns."

But these are only the ones you know, Marie. And instead of coming back, most hop from denomination to denomination and church to church trying to find the "truth" they thought they found when they left the Catholic Church. What a sad testimony that is.
---augua9846 on 4/28/07


2. Why don't we start with our background in Scripture. Did you attend mass often? If so, did you follow the bible readings closely and/or follow up on them? And did you study the bible often on your own when you were a Catholic?
---augua9846 on 4/28/07


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Jack: no we aren't. We are no one to judge anyone on anything. Just because their is one baptism, that doesn't mean that a person has to get baptized just once. One baptism means there is only one way to get baptized and that is by the Father, the Son and of the Holy Ghost, being summersed. The bible disagrees with you, Jack, and so do I.
---Rebecca_D on 4/27/07


augusta, please post those testimonies with proof. Every Catholic that I know that left the Catholic Church and got Born Again, never returns, including myself. We just can't do it. Once you find the truth, you know it, because from that point on, the Holy spirit will show you what is of God and what is not.
---Marie on 4/27/07


Baptism really is a one time thing,when you recieve the HS& absolved of your sins.But there after it is by Contrition before Almighty God, for Catholics in the confessional,I do know that taking a shower a zillion time will not make you clean as the stain of sin does not wash off that way,this goes for Baptism too.
---Emcee on 4/27/07


Emcee, please be careful here. I wish you no harm at all, but now your bordering on speaking against the Holy Spirit. Because that's who called me out of the Catholic Church. I know this to be true, in Jesus name.
---Marie on 4/27/07


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**If a person choses to get baptized more than once, we are no one to question their reason.**

Yes, we are.

The Bible says, "One Lord, one faith, ONE BAPTISM."

This is just one of many ways in which the Bible disagrees with you, Rebecca.
---Jack on 4/27/07


Marie::Why do you say that,were you also Catholic once upon a time.Its the same old Story were your eyes opened by some spirit whom you thought was God.OR was it some personal reason.I know you dont mean to be obnoxious,& rude but your evaluation of me is incorrect.Please do not vex yourself on my behalf as I have many including Jesus & His Holy Mother to do that.Remember Jesus words to the women of Jerusalem on his way to Calvary.
---Emcee on 4/27/07


Friends EX Catholics::The Israelites who were saved from their oppressors by God rebelled against Him & murmured against Him.Did God change NO but He kept them in the desert for 40 years more till their generations died out,before they were allowed to enter the promised land.History has a strange way of repeating itself.
---Emcee on 4/27/07


Marie: *Emcee (Cliff) It does not matter what you say or how you interpret the Word of God. Once a Catholic comes to the truth in Christ, they cannot go back to Catholic ways.*

Marie, Catholics who convert to Protestantism go back to the Catholic Church for doctrinal reasons all the time. I can post their testimonies for you. What I have yet to see is a Protestant who converted to Catholicism revert (can you show me any?). Why do you suppose this is?
---augusta on 4/27/07


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Emcee (Cliff) It does not matter what you say or how you interpret the Word of God. Once a Catholic comes to the truth in Christ, they cannot go back to Catholic ways. Joseph, George and JP are spot on as far as the Bible is concerned. You also seem somewhat instable because I have read your responses in the past and you need help, sir.
---Marie on 4/26/07


I have been baptized three times. The first time was shortly after I got saved. The next two, I wanted to, felt I needed to. Baptism is showing good measure toward God, even though we know the blood covers the sin, baptism washes away sin, filth. If a person choses to get baptized more than once, we are no one to question their reason.
---Rebecca_D on 4/26/07


Joseph George & JP::whats done cannot be undone.If you did not practice its your fault for coming into the arena unprepared.Think what you may of me The word of God does not change as its by His measure man is Judged Baptism even 5-16 times will have no effect Baptism is a one, ONE time thing.The next is Repentance & contrite contrition,To gain Grace 7 enter His family.
---Emcee on 4/25/07


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