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Is The Catholic Bible Biblical

I was brought up Catholic, but recently I have been reading the Catholic Bible and I found that some scriptures contradict others. I looked in a King James Bible recently and found nothing out of line, with other scriptures. I believe God is showing me something. What's up with the Catholic Bible?

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1. Biblical= content in the Holy Bible.
2. Scriptural= Scripture, or things according to the Scripture.
3. God's Word= Jesus Christ, or Scripture, or words Jesus speaks or breathes from God and found recorded in the Scripture.
---Eloy on 3/29/08

Greyrider: "...THOUSANDS of Protestant PASTORS have left their churches and become Roman Catholics BECAUSE of what they found in the Bible."

The same reason why most Christians leave the Chrisitan church for spirituality and what their itching ears want to hear.
---Steveng on 3/28/08

I'd like to read how you guy's define the terms:

1. Biblical
2. Scriptural
3. God's Word
---AG on 3/28/08

Emcee have a look at what Ktisophilos wrote on the 'Is the KJV outdated' thread and you will see where the 1611 KJV came from.
---Warwick on 3/28/08

Just a passing ThoughtThe KJV has its roots in 1610,at the behest of King James. so where did the transalation come from or was there another christian Bible we never heard about.There was a Douay Rheims prior to this as also the gospels considered as HIS WORD.Some history scholars may like to throw light on this subject.
---Emcee on 3/27/08

Catholicism misapplies the teachings of the Vine. It believes that as long as you display the correct decorations, the fruits, then you must be the right kind of tree. But sometimes, at Christmas, we put apples (toy ones) on fir trees. Works can be deceptive and sometimes people think they are delivering cures when they are in fact helping Satan to poison people.
---frances008 on 3/27/08

Please disregard my post entitled #1 was supposed to be an answer to another blog (Fell Asleep at a Guy's Home)...I guess I clicked on the wrong blog bad!!!
---Holly4jc on 3/27/08

1) As a single, Christian woman, I am very careful about not letting myself get into the position of anything that looks like the appearance of evil. I never have men in my apartment, married, single or otherwise, without having another person there. Even when the handymen come from the apt. complex, they send 2 people to do the work together. I do not spend time alone with my friend's husbands, etc. My witness is very important to me and I guard it at all times.
---Holly4jc on 3/27/08


While many protestants may have switched to Catholicism because of what they found in the Bible, remember that the entire protestant reformation happened as a result of reformers reading the Bible and finding it inconsistent with the prevalent, entirely Catholic, religious teachings and practices of their day.
---StrongAxe on 3/27/08

Mark, you yourself have mentioned the heresy of Pelagianism. It was the RCC that FIRST condemned this teaching of a works-based salvation. Many Catholics (especially in America) believe this nonsense. But if you listen to CREDIBLE RC preachers, like Cardinal Arinze, Dr Scott Hahn, Fr John Corapi, they will tell you that we are saved by GRACE ALONE and that works are merely the evidence of a real, saving faith, as opposed to a merely intellectual faith.
---Greyrider on 3/27/08

1) I believe that most of those who go from being Protestant to Catholic are those who like the idea of being able to do works in order to obtain salvation. They have a hard time letting go and just trusting that Jesus did it all for them, they want to somehow feel that they can help and contribute to reaching the goal of heaven. This way, the better a person they are and the more works they do, the more they feel worthy of heaven.
---Holly4jc on 3/27/08

2) They cannot accept the free gift of salvation Jesus gave us, they just have to earn it. By going to the Catholic church, they are given "works" to do, so they feel like they have some control over their own salvation again. People (by nature) want to do stuff to prove themselves, they want to feel accepted and good enough, to have their hands in the process of their own salvation. Afterall, in this world, people applaud you for the works you accomplish.
---Holly4jc on 3/27/08

No Greyrider, most Catholics don't know what the RCC teaches. Most outside know what they teach more times then those inside. You mentioned thousands of Protestants are going to the Catholic church and if that is correct as you say, it is must be because they have carried the doctrines from the RCC and never really understood the real Truth of Scripture and continued to believe in Works. There is many sects of denominations that still carry many of the doctrines from the RCC, gaining grace through works.
---Mark_V. on 3/27/08

Steveng, it may not matter to you that I was led to the RCC BY studying Scripture. But it's hard to ignore the fact that THOUSANDS of Protestant PASTORS have left their churches and become Roman Catholics BECAUSE of what they found in the Bible. Christianet proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that most people don't even know what Rome REALLY teaches.
---Greyrider on 3/27/08

Greyrider: "...It (Catechism) ENCOURAGES the faithful to read the Scriptures. "

If the Catholics ever read the Bible and understood it, there wouldn't be a Roman Catholic Church. Like the JWs, the Mormons, and the other 3,300 different denominations of "Christians," the Catholic church ecourages, but only understand their interpretation, their traditions, their rituals.
---Steveng on 3/26/08

I've read the Catechism on-line, at a Catholic website where it is posted.
---Holly4jc on 3/26/08

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The only differences between Catholic bibles and Protestant bibles is that the Catholic ones include the Apocrypha (which Protestants consider to be uninspired).

Then again, many Protestant bibles also include commentaries and such which are equally uninspired.

Many Catholic bibles use the same translation versions as Protestant bibles. In fact, the earliest editions of the King James version included the Apocrypha.
---StrongAxe on 3/26/08

Greyrider * How many non-catholics here have ever actually seen a Catechism? It is a Bible Study book that teaches the RCC's interpretation of Scripture and shows the Scripture references for RCC teaching. It ENCOURAGES the faithful to read the Scriptures.*

I did. Heck, I had too. I went to Catholic Schools. I pass religion class with high 90s :)
---Ramon on 3/26/08

How many non-catholics here have ever actually seen a Catechism? It is a Bible Study book that teaches the RCC's interpretation of Scripture and shows the Scripture references for RCC teaching. It ENCOURAGES the faithful to read the Scriptures.
---Greyrider on 3/25/08

The Catholics don't have their own "Bible."

Many denominations teach from the KJV, But have their own interpretations and traditions. They do this as not to add or take away from the Word of God. To get around this they have the Catechism much like the Book of Mormon, and the JWs.

To guarantee that you are taken in the first resurrection, escape the denominationsl churches and begin your own home church without the mis-interpretations and the traditions.
---Steveng on 3/24/08

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There is no such thing as THE Catholic Bible. There are bibles translated by both Catholics and Protestants. Some are read by both. In fact, most Catholic leaders favor the Revised Standard Version, a Protestant translation. Ironically, the original KJV contained all 73 books, not the edited 66 book version. I've never found one contradiction in any so-called Catholic Bible.
---Greyrider on 3/24/08

catholicism like other false religions have their own so-called bibles which are unholy, because they are not inspired from God's mouth as is the Christian's Holy Bible.
---Eloy on 3/23/08

Bicker, bicker, bicker.

You people fight against each other to find who is the better religion. Would a pastor of one denomination lead another denomination? Not likely.

Most of you are wrong, a few are right. It's the few that don't belong to any religion.

Remember, Christianity is nothing more than a personal relationship with God. That's it. Nothing more.
---Steveng on 3/23/08

If my memory serves me, I think that Daniel in the DSS was the Hebrew version missing the additions found in the Septuagint. Two sections, not 30 chapters.
---lorra8574 on 3/23/08

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I just want to say a few things. What is the imporatance of scriptures? it isn't how many books there are, it is who they point to. You can argue all you want about the catholic bible and you will not change the catholic bible because it is the way it is for a reason, just as the Protestant bibles are. But Lets not make the Bible a god, it isn't it is only a Witness to the True Word of God, Jesus Christ. lets stop worshiping paper and start worshiping God.
---Jared on 5/25/07

TS, Forget that I am a Catholic, leave the Church out of this. I have been discussing the Canon based upon my own research, not merely by what my Church says. So bashing my Church is really not helping your case. Deal with what I have said to you. Person to person. I have challenged your credibility, may be you are just the victim of your own church traditions, but if you have a defence I would rather read that, than have you tell everybody that I am wrong because my Church did something in the past.
---lorra8574 on 5/24/07

You are still living in the Middle Ages if you believe all that you wrote about the Catholic Church. The RCC has had its reformation (Counter Reformation), Second Vatican council and other major reforms.
And what about Protestants rejecting the idea of ascetism and apostolic poverty, introducing calvinistic pre-destination (self-righteousness), the role of pastors/preachers in racial supremacy during slavery and beyond. Good and bad Protestantism just as there is good and bad Catholicism.
---Ed on 5/24/07

Thank you Catherine, pray that I keep my patience. I have discovered that I do not have the patience of Job, but I try.
---lorra8574 on 5/23/07

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** Lorra: And Yet the Catholic Bible oddly adds 2 Stories to Daniel clearly shown a fabrication by the Dead Sea Scrolls.**

These stories are also "added" to Daniel by the Greek Bible, Armenian Bible, Ethiopic Bible, Slavonic Bible, Arabic Bible, and others of churches that had NOTHING to do with the Roman Catholic Church.

They were part of LXX Daniel, translated TWO CENTURIES before Christ, so you can't blame them on that nasty ole pope feller.

Try again.
---Jack on 5/23/07

lorra8574>>>Lady I want to tell you I believe you are a brave woman. May God bless you always.++
---catherine on 5/22/07

TS there is so much wrong in your statement that I wouldn't know where to begin.

Now if you are finished deflecting, could you please get back to the Muratorian Canon. You have made claims, I have shown the opposite. I have even quoted from the fragment to show that it includes the Book of Wisdom. The Early Christians used the Septuagint, not the DSS, so you really do not have a leg to stand on.
---lorra8574 on 5/22/07

Lorra: And Yet the Catholic Bible oddly adds 2 Stories to Daniel clearly shown a fabrication by the Dead Sea Scrolls.

So who am I going to believe? A Church that has a fallen away from the Word in favor of Tradition, bowing to idols, calling a mere man Holy Father, Bowing to him, mediation via dead Mary instead of the living Christ? The Church that brought us the Inquisition, the Crusades, Bible burning? Selling of indulgences, the selling of fabricated relics? Or some more reputable source?
---TS on 5/22/07

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Luke 9. "Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name; and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow along with us.". Lee, you are right. There was division even back then. Jesus probably surprised His followers by saying, "Do not hinder him; for he who is not against you is for you.".
---Dan on 5/21/07

Lee. Notice also the parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10). The message is obvious. Even Wikipedia says "It is important to note that Samaritans were despised by the story's target audience, the Jews. The Samaritans were also largely taught by their interpretation of history to hate Jews. [8] Thus the parable, as told originally, had a significant theme of non-discrimination and interracial harmony."
---Dan on 5/21/07

... and finally from Wikipedia on the Good Samaritan - "the parable regains its socially explosive message to modern listeners: namely, that an individual of a social group they disapprove of can exhibit moral behaviour that is superior to individuals of the groups they approve; it also means that not sharing the same faith is no excuse to behave poorly, as there is a universal moral law."
---Dan on 5/21/07

TS the Muratorian Fragment includes the Book of Wisdom:
"Moreover, the epistle of Jude and two of the above-mentioned (or, bearing the name of) John are counted (or, used) in the catholic [Church]; and [the book of] Wisdom, written by the friends of Solomon in his honour."

And all Catholic Bibles from the Muratorian Canon to the Council of Trent, included this Book - history proves it.
---lorra8574 on 5/21/07

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1 Cor 6:3 (in the next life), Gal 1:8 (not even an angel from Heaven may contradict what they have taught), Acts 15:27-28 (the written word alone was not sufficient and they acted with the support of the Holy Spirit). The problem lies not with the Pope but with an ignorance of scripture.
---lorra8574 on 5/21/07

** Lorra: I already said that the KJV does not accept the Book of Wisdom**

* W * R * O * N * G * !!!

TS, I have already said that I have several copies of the KJV, including a reprint of the original 1611, and they ALL have Wisdom and the other apocryphal books in them.

And I have also said that I won't have a mangled KJV with holes in it in my house.
---Jack on 5/21/07

Lorra: I already said that the KJV does not accept the Book of Wisdom that even RCC held a apocryphal for many centuries after the Muratorian work.

"the superiority and power of the Roman Pontiff (is) even over the Angels, of whom he is greater...they could be Judged and Excommunicated by the Pope" Ferraris Ecclesiatical Disctionary, with Papal Seal under the term, Pope.
---TS on 5/21/07

*the Pope is only infallible in very specific circumstances*.

The dogma really becomes irreverent to anything in reality when all conditions regarding infallibility are considered.

One might as well say that the pope is infallible when he is right.

The 'doctrine' was forced unto the Roman Catholic Church over the objections of many of the bishops.

It was simply a ploy for political power of Pius IX, a sickhead old psycho who lost the Papal States to the founder of modern Italy.
---lee on 5/20/07

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TS, the Pope is only infallible in very specific circumstances. Not everything any pope ever said is considered to be infallible. Matthew 23:2-3 shows an example. See also John 11:49-52.

As for the Muratorian canon, even the fragment does not match the KJV, your Bible does not accept the Book of Wisdom.
---lorra8574 on 5/20/07

TS P2: And yes I am aware of the fact that the fragment had a larger whole, but your ignorance on the matter is astounding - why is it called "Muratorian"? Ludovico Antonio Muratori found it and published it in 1740 AD. The fragment is from a copy made in the seventh century from material from the second century. At the time Hebrews was not yet accepted and neither was Peters second epistle - as may be observed from their omission from the fragment in th order where they now appear.
---lorra8574 on 5/20/07

Every worldly religion - be it RCC, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Lutherans, Baptists, or any of the other 33,000 religions - all have their own interpretations. Whether by Catechism, Book of Mormon, whatever the JW use, reference books, concordances, dictionaries, fiction and non-fiction books (as Left Behind) or whatever - they are all interpretation of man. The only way to discern the truth from the false is to develop a strong, intimate relationhip with God. He will reveal what you need to know.
---Steveng on 5/20/07

Why does the Gutenberg Bible (~1450) and the 1611 KJV include 73 books of the bible while the 1627 KJV, NIV, etc. only 66? It looks to me like the Reforms took away books and not the RC's adding them. Rev 22:18-19
---JP on 5/20/07

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**But if you are Christian, then you will have the HOLY Bible (that is, it should be Pure and Unadulterated Scripture). **

Actually, if you are a Christian, you will have the COMPLETE Bible (which exists in the KJV). If you're a Protestant or pop-evangelical, you'll have a Bible with holes in it.
---Jack on 5/20/07

.emcee, a person's testimony is his own testimony and not everybodies. Has Jesus physically come to you in person? Have you been healed from fatal diseases? Have you been born-again more than once? Has God turned the pages of your Bible for you as you read it? Did he cause it to hail outside in the mid summer in southern california when you read about the hail coming down on the Egyptians? Were bags of clothes given to you by street people? etc. So too, my testimony is my testimony, and not someone elses.
---Eloy on 5/20/07

catholics have a different bible then the Christians. If you are a catholic you have a catholic bible, a jew will have a jewish bible, a hindu a hindu bible, a moslem a moslem bible, etc. But if you are Christian, then you will have the HOLY Bible (that is, it should be Pure and Unadulterated Scripture). catholics have edited the scriptures to coincide with their religion's beliefs, and therefore you will find a lot of differences bewteen the catholic bible and the Holy Bible.
---Eloy on 5/20/07

**Catholic cathedrals are full of as in the above scripture,idol's, graven images & the such like.**

When I was a Baptist we had cloth idols in the church we said prayers to.

**Also they seem esteem the mother Jesus higher than Jesus Himself & this is SO corrupt.**

I know of NO RC who esteems the mother of Jesus higher than Jesus Himself, and what's more, you don't either. Though you think God has granted you to see into other people's hearts, I doubt it.
---Jack on 5/19/07

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Lorra: Papacy claims to be infallible;You say she changed position?
Muration worked the 3rd century AD with more than Fragment that remains now. He used earlier texts as basis for Muratorian Canon. Fragment exists today because paper degrades in time. Copies of Muratorians work remain and match the Fragment, the Dead Sea Scrolls and the King James Bible thus excluding current Catholic Bible and additions by Humans trying to cover error and tradition
I know, I'll go hide the stakes and matches now :)
---TS on 5/19/07

Exodus 20 v 4-5. Catholic cathedrals are full of as in the above scripture,idol's, graven images & the such like. Also they seem esteem the mother Jesus higher than Jesus Himself & this is SO corrupt. Their idol worship is VAIN. God gave NO carnal man charge or authority to be called a spirital-father here on earth. There's One mediator between God & man,that is Jesus Christ. Catholocism is in Revelation 17 v's 4-6.
---Lawrence on 5/19/07

**why do the catholics go to the priest to confess their sins when the only person that can forgive sins is jesus christ.**

Antwon, James 5 clearly links physical healing with anointing and forgiveness of sins with auricular confession before the presbyters (priests).

Therefore, can you please tell us WHERE in the Bible it says to go to God directly and privately for forgiveness? Give specific book, chapter, and verse, please.
---Jack on 5/19/07

Does the Fox "Book of Martyrs" actually speak on the Muratorian Canon?? I must have missed that.
---lorra8574 on 5/19/07

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Lee, that is all that I ask. I am not asking for sides on Biblical interpretation and I accept that not all see it the same way. A disagreement on interpretation is not a lie or necessarily deception. I would even agree that the Bible has many layers that allow for a variety of correct interpretations, within reason.
---lorra8574 on 5/19/07

Antwon, Catholics do not ask the saints to save us, only to pray for us. Just as we ask our brethren on earth to pray for us. We believe in the Communion of Saints and Christ's promise that we would have eternal life.

As for why we go to priests - Jesus gave His Apostles and their successors the authority to forgive or retain sins, which they do on Christ's behalf and with His authority, not their own - 2 Cor 2:10 (based upon John 20:22-23).
---lorra8574 on 5/19/07

Antwon::Your post appears & sounds Regurgatative.repetitive,Kinda stale besides False & cooked up.Do you have something fresh to offer Not the same Hallucinations of others .Thanks.
---Emcee on 5/19/07

**the catholic bible has some inaccurate scriptures first of all they pray to the virgin marry**

Antwon, can you tell us exactly WHERE in the Roman Catholic Bible it says to pray to the Virgin Mary?

Please give book, chapter, and verse.

And can you be precise about some of the other inaccuracies you say it contains?
---Jack on 5/19/07

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Ts::History of christianity or any manmade event & even that of Lucifer & his cohorts. But the History of God Almighty& the Fact that His prophecy was fulfilled & the truth is in this that those who take up their cross Daily will have a mansion prepared for them.People who villify&deny His omnipotence will be excluded because nothing defiled enters His kingdom.The H/S that guides His church does not err 0r engage in Falsities as you so aptly declare.Spiritual history is not compared to mans History
---Emcee on 5/18/07

lorra8574 - *After examining the evidence on the Muratorian canon, is TS being truthful or is he deceiving people?*

This subject is not something I can readily comment on as I really need to research it further. Will do so and get back to you whenever I find the time. lee1538.

I do recognize the fact that there are sincere believers in Christ in many denominations including the Catholic, & Adventists.

I support the basics of the Christian faith; & it ok to differ on non-essentials.
---lee on 5/18/07

Lee, I am not asking you to endorse the Catholic Church, or the Catholic canon of scripture, or everything that I have ever said. All I am asking is for someone who is clearly not a Catholic to verify what I have said. This is not about the Catholic Church, this is about the Truth. After examining the evidence on the Muratorian canon, is TS being truthful or is he deceiving people? Is it right to lie for Christ? Would Jesus want that?
---lorra8574 on 5/18/07

Lawrence, the only problem with that is that many of the Catholic doctrines you find objectionable existed prior to Constantine and are historically documented as such. To go deep into history is to go deep into the Catholic Church. As a famous convert once said "To be deep in history is to cease being a Protestant." Cardinal Newman.
---lorra8574 on 5/18/07

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Church history,Constantine devised catholocism a number of years after the birth of God's Church being born on The Day of Pentecost,because they did NOT want to line up to The Truth of God's Church Kingdom being born on The Day of Pentecost.
---Lawrence on 5/18/07

the catholic bible has some inaccurate scriptures first of all they pray to the virgin marry why would you rpay to the saints when the saints of god canot save you the only person that can save you is jesus christ and why do the catholics go to the priest to confess their sins when the only person that can forgive sins is jesus christ.
---antwon on 5/18/07

**And I may add that like all denominations, the Roman Catholic also had some bad history.**

Would there be any point in reminding people that NOBODY comes to this conversation with clean hands?
---Jack on 5/18/07

Lee, to err is human, and from the Pope on down, we Catholics are human. The infallibility of the Catholic Church lies not in her human members but in Christ. But I have a huge problem when someone lies to further their agenda on a Christian site. TS has lied several times. I am not speaking of simple differences of opinion or interpretation. This type of behavior is not of Christ and may mislead the ignorant.

Will you do what I asked of you?
---lorra8574 on 5/18/07

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Toby: The Roman Church would love to put a "Candlestick" to me and burn all of us so called Heretics who believe in "Sola Scriptura", who will not Bow to a Pope (a mere man) or keep his spurious sabbath dedicated to the pagan deity of the sun.

They hated Jesus, so I expected them to hate me and try to malign my character for pointing out thier abuses, eror and hatred.

Lee your true identity has been unmasked.

Hide the stakes and matches please ;)
---TS on 5/18/07

Lee: Your railing on Adventist actually led me to attend a Seminar. When False Prophets rail against something it gets my attention. Presentation is Scriptural:mostly words that Luther Calvin Huss Jerome Williams Tyndale Wycliffe Wesley Preached IDing Papacy as "Little horn in 10 Divisions of Holy Roman Empire"

2Th2:3 "man of sin..the son of perdition Who opposes exalts himself above all called God or is worshipped so he as God sits in temple of God shewing himself he is God"
---TS on 5/18/07

Lorra: "Foxs Book of Martyrs" documents that I am not the one who is lying.
---TS on 5/18/07

lorra - *The bigger question is why do you insist on using lies and deception to attack my Church?*

If you were to attend one of their Prophecy Conferences or other deceptive recruitment devices they employ, you would find that their biggest promoting tools is to take advantage of religious prejudices.

And I may add that like all denominations, the Roman Catholic also had some bad history.
---lee on 5/18/07

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TS why ask silly questions. Since we do not worship the Pope or use priests "instead" of Jesus, why ask us why we do these things? We never did. The bigger question is why do you insist on using lies and deception to attack my Church?
---lorra8574 on 5/18/07

TS- The call is for those Christians who are ensnared or in bondage to false religious system to come out of her.

Rev. 18:12 Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;..."

But recognizing the fact that you were a former Roman Catholic perhaps you only left one room for another in the same heathenist temple?
---lee on 5/18/07

TS, I think you give us the most blog ugly replies here. I can't think of anyone that can hold a candlestick to you in that department.
---Toby on 5/18/07

Lee, Lorra, Empty:
The same ugly Spirit as Luther, Huss, Jerome, Melancthon, Tyndale, Wesley, Williams, Calvin, Spurgeoun, Moody, Wyecliffe who all identified Rome as Beast of Revelation or the Ugly Spirit of the Papacy that sent many of them to the Flames?

Lee: Do you have the Mark that Rome claims as her signet of authority over the Protestants? Are you a jesuit pretending to be a protestant?
---TS on 5/18/07

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Emcee: Lee Maybe The Catholics still believe hatred is a gut reaction & need to burn heretics at the stake which is really wrong because hatred is a transgression against the 10 Commandments, thou shalt not kill, Killing stems from hatred rather than anger.
---TS on 5/18/07

Cant answer the question?

John14:6 "Jesus saith unto him..No man cometh unto the Father but by Me"

By Jesus not Pope, priest, dead Mary or any other fabrication of the RCC.

RCC has a History of fabricating DOctrine Counter to Scripture, creating RELICS to SELL, and ADDING to the Word of God.

Why do you Worship the POPE instead of GOD?
Why do you ask a Priest for Forgivenss instead of the ONLY Mediator, Jesus?
---TS on 5/18/07

Lee :: Maybe The adventists still believe anger is a gut reaction & needs no curbing .which is really wrong because anger is a transgression against the 5C thou shalt not kill,Killing stems from anger.
---Emcee on 5/17/07

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