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Lord Of The Sabbath Day

Matthew 12:9 says," For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day". What do you think the meaning of this statement is?

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Amen...I think the verse means what it says, Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, He's the one we worship on the Sabbath, He's in charge of it, it's His day. The Sabbath was made for man (by Christ) and not man for the Sabbath. :-)
---Todd1 on 6/2/08


Salvation is by Grace alone. Sola Grace. through faith alone. Sola Fidea. As proclaimed by Martin Luther and declared by the Seventh day Adventist church today.

Christians are not to live in sin.

The HOLY SPIRIT is the only one who can convict of sin and He does that through scripture.

We are never to judge the salvation of others. That job belongs to GOD alone.

Galations builds me up as I know that works do not save me. In CHRIST JESUS for we are no longer slaves to sin.
---Samuel on 6/2/08


Sabbath-rest for the people of God: For anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. Let us therefore, enter that rest, so that noone will fall by following others disobedience.">>>>>Jesus and the Apostles kept the Seventh-Day Sabbath.++
---catherine on 6/1/08


TS-We AGREE! Of course keep God's commandments! Of course be OBEDIENT to God!

Where have I EVER suggested otherwise!
---Sheila on 5/19/07


It means that he's the Creator and he rested.
---jhonny on 5/19/07




Lee: I'm a Child of Christ. He said "If you Love Me Keep My Commandments" and "I did not come to destroy the Law" and "The saints Keep the Commandments of God"
He says to professed Christians casting out deomons "Depart from Me" you Preach "Lawlessness"
Strong says greek means LAWLESSNESS
Keep Commandments and be better able to avoid sin. Law does not save; Christ does,faith in Him. Those preaching Lawlessness remove moral compass
---TS on 5/19/07


"By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain.." Heb 11:4 Abel OBEYED God in offering the animal sacrifice God asked for: Cain DISOBEYED God by offering something else. Abel was faithful because he followed God's command. Do SDA's, or Sunday Churches, follow God's command to keep holy the 7th day Sabbath? Which obeys God in simple faith taking God at His word; &which offers up a different day, making confused excuses for doing so to appease their guilty conciences?
---Gina7 on 5/19/07


"By Faith Abraham,when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed.." Heb11:8 Abraham was obedient,he OBEYED God,&that was due to his Faith. Faith is acted upon,&those who are obedient in keeping the Sabbath, will be saved by faith as they OBEYED God.
---Gina7 on 5/19/07


"By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is by faith" Hebrews 11:7 When God said build an ark, did Noah just sit there and say, No, I am not going to obey? Noah instead OBEYED God, and became an heir of righteousness which is by faith. "I will show thee my faith by my works" James 2:18
---Gina7 on 5/19/07


The examples of faith in Hebrews 11 all show people whose faith in God was so strong that they OBEYED Him, even when it meant Abraham giving up his son Isaac in a sacrifice, after God said his seed would be through Isaac! Abraham's faith was so strong, he would obey and kill his own son, because he knew God could resurrect Isaac. Is our faith so strong we will OBEY God today? Will we obey God and keep all 10 Commandments, including the Sabbath?
---Gina7 on 5/19/07




We are not obedient unless we are keeping all 10 CC. James 2:10-12 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law,and yet offend in ONE POINT,he is guilty of all. For he that said,Do Not Commit Adultery,said also, Do Not Kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill,thou art become a transgresser of the law. So speak ye,and so do,as they that shall be judged by the law of Liberty" If you are keeping 9, but not the 1 for the Sabbath,you are a transgresser:you are Cain, doing it your own way.
---Gina7 on 5/19/07


"Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.. Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord: and Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering. But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was wroth, and his countenance fell. And the Lord said unto Cain, why art thou wroth...if thou does well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, SIN lieth at the door" Gen4
---Gina7 on 5/19/07


TS - I always was a stickler for moral law even before I became a Christian. But being a moral person in itself will never qualify anyone for heaven as it is by grace one is saved by faith in Christ alone; not by belonging to some denomination as Adventists maintain.

You on the other hand, are a true child of Hagar since you maintain that one must be under the Sinai law to merit eternal life.

Read & study Galatians and pray that the Spirit of God may open your eyes.
---lee on 5/19/07


Lee: That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, LOL! You say I am a Sinner because I: Love God, Do not bow to Idols, Have no other gods, Keep His Sabbath, Honor Mom and Dad, Do not Lie, Do not Steal, Do not Fornicate, Do not Murder, Do not Covet and this makes me the sinner? LOL!!!

Oh you poor misguided soul.
---TS on 5/18/07


TS - perhaps you preach lawlessness since if you can pursuade Christians to be back under the law, then it will be the law; not grace that will be their ultimate judge.

For by the works of the law NO ONE CAN BE JUSTIFIED! Galatians 2:16 yet we know that a person is not justified {Or counted righteous}by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, ..

Depart from me o foolish descendent of the Galatians, child of Hagar! You have fallen from grace.
---lee on 5/18/07


Lee: Paul had problem with those people like you that Preached Lawlessness and who do not recognize nor honor the New Covenant of Commandments that Jesus gave at Sinai written on the Hearts of His true followers. Jer31:31-33, Heb8:8-10.

"Depart from Me ye who practice lawlessness"
---TS on 5/18/07


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If an Old Testament law is not commanded in the New Testament, is the church obligated to observe it?

The Sabbath is never commanded in the New Testament, how then can we break any law that is not applicable to the Christian?
---lee on 5/17/07


TS-.Answer:NO,I don't break 4thC any more than YOU! I GUESSED you referred to Sabbath.As usual,you DIDN'T specify.4thC IS least of Jesus' C's???
Honestly YOU don't spend every 7thDay as a Sabbath with Him.That can only happen in Heaven.

We're to be with God at ALL times doing ALL for Him.(1Co.10:31,1Th5:17,Col.3:23,Col.3:17,Php4:4).Time He limiteth for His 4thC(sanctified)is To day,restated&marked with all the elements of a seal:King's Name,Title,Domain.Even YOU said we can do that in Heaven!
---Sheila on 5/17/07


Shiela - Apostle Paul had much the same problem as we have as we live under the New Covenant and not the Old.

The Adventists of his time (Judaizers) accused others of violating the least of these commandments.

You see, brother, how many Jews of those who have believed. They are all zealous for the law,& they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to customs. Acts 21:21.
---lee on 5/17/07


shiela: No answer to the question, If OBEDIENCE then Why do you insist on breaking least of Commandments and teach men so?

7th Day has always been the same since Eden.
Keep all His Commandments, I know you can for His Commandments are not Grievious.
---TS on 5/17/07


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I'll try to leave this blog for other efforts.Not that it's been in vain.I've learned:
*A blessing isn't a promise
*Likely there's NO change to 10C inNT,but are further explained
*To day isn't a new time for Sabbath,it always been that way
*work&rest under Jesus yoke are the same,as it was in Garden of Eden
*4thC is about obedience.Esp clear how it's restated to David:
*To day if ye will hear His voice,Harden not your heart..*
&MUCH more like from Billy&others.Thank you all!
---Sheila on 5/17/07


shiela: If OBEDIENCE then Why do you insist on breaking least of Commandments and teach men so?

You cant Keep Sabbath in your Heart by changing it to make everyday a memorial to His creation, not working buying selling, or working others while spending whole day with Him

Honestly you do not spend everyday as a Sabbath with Him. That can only happen in Heaven. Here we have to Work, that requires breaking Sabbath Commandment if its everyday. YOU choose any day yet the 7th day HE SANCTIFIED.
---TS on 5/17/07


TS-Rearranged words?ALL my quotes are CORRECT order:
Dt.5:12*Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it,as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.*
Ps.95:7*To day if ye will hear His voice,Harden not your heart..*

Yes,Hb.4 is about rest that has existed CONTINUELY since 7thDay of creation.It's THAT 7thDay.Adam&Eve brought toil&unrest by unbelief&disobedience.
Whether God says DON'T gather manna,or DO break off grain heads,4thC is about OBEDIENCE.Work&rest in Eden were the same,like Jesus'yoke.
---Sheila on 5/16/07


TS - How confused you are.

What is not at all confusing is that the cultist often when he finds that he cannot defend a viewpoint that is totally at odds with all reputable Biblical commentaries, he resorts to obfuscating the issue.

In view of the commentaries, it is clear that Sheila is closer to the bullseye in interpretation of Hebrews 4.

You really need to be honest with yourself and admit when you are wrong.
---lee on 5/16/07


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shiela: Good Grief! Read Whole of Heb4 for it is the 7th Day SABBATH that is the REST because JESUS DID not Speak of ANY OTHER DAY!David returned Israel to it!
You did not Quote Scriptures Properly but REARRANGED the Words!

The 7th Day remains the REST for the People of God! Jesus created it and at Sinai the 7th Day is HIS REST. Unbelievers find no other day Remains! Yet 7th Day Remains for Gods People

Mat12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath Day
How confused you are.
---TS on 5/16/07


TS-God DID,after so long a time,speak of ANOTHER day(Hb.4:7)&so Joshua DIDN'T lead ANYONE into rest(Hb.4:8).
Ex20,&Dt5 is work 6days&rest 7thDay.DOESN'T say HOW.Except,Dt.5:12DOES say*Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it,as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.*Meaning DO what He commands you.In Mt.11:28-30work&rest are the SAME with Jesus'yoke.There was NO toil in Eden!
4thC to David*To day if ye will hear His voice,Harden not your heart..*You CAN'T do the 4thC EVERYDAY,UNLESS work&rest are SAME!
---Sheila on 5/15/07


TS-Is Mt.5:28 an example of:

1.an addition to the 7th com?
2.a new commandment?
or
3.a further explanation of the 7th com.with no change to it?
---Sheila on 5/15/07


shiela: By Belief we Keep His Commandment because they are not grevious. We Keep His 4th Commandment Sabbath by belief.

Jesus did not change the Commandments. Oh that I wish everyday were the Sabbath of the Lord but alas I have bills to pay and a family to support.
---TS on 5/15/07


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shiela: The Rest they could not enter in Joshuas day was for Unbelief while in the Wilderness. Not allowed into the Promised Land to rest from wandering. Only Children allowed to enter and rest from wandering. This is the context
Every Day is not the Sabbath; the 7th day is the Sabbath. Thier unbelief also kept them from Keeping the Sabbath as shown from scripture.You must work 6 days according to the commandment to earn your keep.
The Lord Never Changed the 7th Day Sabbath or the Commandments.
---TS on 5/15/07


TS-1.At basis of world,God did rest7thDay from all His works(yet He's ALWAYS worked Jn.5:17!Strong's contrast in*work*)By belief we enterHis rest.
2.A time remaineth for His people.Use speed(Strong's*labor*)to enter lest you fail by unbelief.
3.He spoke of ANOTHERday(cuz Joshua hadn't given them rest,cuz of their unbelief)&limiteth its time as To day.
4.To Day,if you'll hear His voice,obey it!
TS,To day is EVERYDAY!(You think it's ONLY 7thDay?)All you stated was true.What do you disagree with?
---Sheila on 5/14/07


shiela: Heb3:19 shows they did not enter promised land due to unbelief
Heb4:3-6 "For we which have believed DO ENTER into REST... if they shall enter into MY Rest..from the FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD..HE spake..of the SEVENTH DAY..And God did rest the SEVENTH DAY from all his works. And in this place again If they shall enter into my rest, seeing..IT REMAINETH..some must enter therein..they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief" Some ignore Sabbath in unbelief also.
---TS on 5/14/07


TS-Hb.3&4 DOESN'T say if you're Gods People then you will ONLY enter His rest on the 7thDay.

What it says,TS, is that ANOTHER day has been appointed,& that He limiteth that certain day as To Day.(NOT just 7th Day!)

To Day is even defined by the phrase "To day if ye will hear His voice, harden not your hearts."

It means now!Or,do you really ONLY listen for His voice&obey it on the 7th Day?

Do you have the faith to obey His voice To Day?
---Sheila on 5/14/07


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Hebrews 4:2-3 For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
For we which have believed do enter into rest...

It was the gospel that people believed in; not the Sabbath that enabled them to enter God's rest.

Interpret the verses in their context; not in accordance to what you want to beleive.
---lee on 5/14/07


shiela: Heb3&4 says that if you are Gods People then you will enter into the 7thDay Sabbath rest
ManyJews refused and were admonished "How long ye refuse to Keep my Sabbaths?"
Hebr3 they "could not enter the Sabbath rest because of unbelief"
I believe, keeping the Sabbath Rest of the 4th Commandment.
Like the wayward Israelite YOU cant enter that Rest due to unbelief
Rev14:12 "the saints..are they that KEEP the COMMANDMENTS of God and the faith of Jesus" NT
---TS on 5/14/07


Jerry6593-*You make a strong case for ignoring commentaries.*.
If a commentary agrees with Jerry's own inner thought commentary YOU don't ignore it.1Co.10:2says the people were baptised unto Moses.That DOESN'T mean he conducted the them to the promised land&Vs.4 DOESN'T say Moses did either.YOU even said Joshua took over leading the people.

Barnes commentary is correct.YOUR commentary is in error.

Hb.4:7-8 is about whether Joshua conducted them to rest,NOT Moses.
---Sheila on 5/14/07


Shiela: You make a strong case for ignoring commentaries. You and Mr. Barnes have Joshua as the leader of the Israelites in the wilderness. My Bible tells me that it was Jesus ("that rock was Christ" - 1 Cor 10:4) who led the Israelites through the wilderness to the promised land through His agent, Moses. Joshua did not take over until the crossing of the Jordan. Why do you go to such lengths just to disobey God's simple commands?
---jerry6593 on 5/14/07


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Jana-When the Bible says Jesus is the Word,it's talking about the Word of the Father & that together the Father with His Word(Son) created everything.

The Word made flesh means the Son of God became incarnate of the Holy Spirit & became man.He's Jesus.

The 10C&more& all that was nailed to the cross in Col.2:14 are in the Bible, the Word of God.The Bible is ALL about Christ.Christ is God,God is Love,Christ is Love.

There's the answers.What was your point in asking the questions?
---Sheila on 5/13/07


SHEILA:when the Bible says Christ is the Word, which word is it talking about? The Whole bible sister... the Word made flesh..what does that mean? who is it? Christ sister..Isnt the 10C Laws in the Word also? Isnt the Bible all about Christ? Isnt Christ Love also? Study well sister..use your brain
---jana on 5/13/07


Jerry6593-Barnes commentary on Hb.4:7-8 If Joshua had given them a complete and final rest; if by his conducting them to the promised land all had been done which had been contemplated by the promise, then it would not have been alluded to again, as it was in the time of David. Joshua did give them a rest in the promised land; but it was not all which was intended, and it did not exclude the promise of another and more important rest.
(continued...)
---Sheila on 5/13/07


Jerry6593-Barnes commentary on Hb.4:7-8Then would He not - Then God would not have spoken of another time when that rest could be obtained. The other day here referred to is that which is mentioned before by the phrase today, and refers to the time in which it is spoken of long after Joshua, to wit, in the time of David.
---Sheila on 5/13/07


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Hebrews 3:1,2 So, my dear Christian friends, companions in following this call to the heights, take a good hard look at Jesus. He's the centerpiece of everything we believe, faithful in everything God gave him to do. Moses was also faithful, but Jesus gets far more honor.
---Gina7 on 5/12/07


Sheila: My Bible says Jesus - not Joshua, but they are the same name. If Jesus had meant to establish a new day of rest (such as Sunday) then would He not afterward have spoken of another (other than the Sabbath) day? There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbath) to the people of God. (Heb 4:4,8,9) Why must you contort the scriptures so? Why is it that the only Commandment you want to forget is the one that begins with "remember."
---jerry6593 on 5/12/07


The spiritual rest spoke of in Matthew 11:28 is a rest from running our own lives. When we give our life to the Saviour, He is in control, and we can rest in Him. This is NOT speaking of the weekly Sabbath Day where God wants us to spend the 7th day with Him, resting from day to day labour of making a living.
---Gina7 on 5/12/07


Amplified Bible Matthew 11: 28Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy-laden and overburdened, and I will cause you to rest. [I will ease and relieve and [p]refresh [q]your souls.]

29Take My yoke upon you and learn of Me, for I am gentle (meek) and humble (lowly) in heart, and you will find rest ([r]relief and ease and refreshment and [s]recreation and blessed quiet) for your souls.(E)

---Gina7 on 5/12/07


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The Message Bible Matthew 11:28 -30"Are you tired? Worn out? Burned out on religion? Come to me. Get away with me and you'll recover your life. I'll show you how to take a real rest. Walk with me and work with mewatch how I do it. Learn the unforced rhythms of grace. I won't lay anything heavy or ill-fitting on you. Keep company with me and you'll learn to live freely and lightly."
---Gina7 on 5/12/07


New International Readers Version Matthew 11 "28 "Come to me, all of you who are tired and are carrying heavy loads. I will give you rest. 29 Become my servants and learn from me. I am gentle and free of pride. You will find rest for your souls. 30 Serving me is easy, and my load is light."
---Gina7 on 5/12/07


The rest of soul spoken of in Matthew 11:28-30 is peace of mind. Jesus is in control, and we need not worry any more. It in no way shape or form does away with spending the 7th day with Jesus, on His Sabbath, because we still have to work and make a living for 6 days, and taking the 7th day off to spend with Him is HIS IDEA. Then we work again for another 6 days.
---Gina7 on 5/12/07


Jesus died on the 14th day of the 1st month, the Passover. Crucifixion occurred at the same hour the lambs were being sacrified for the Passover, making it obvious that Jesus was the Lamb of God. Then on the 15th day, was the 1st day of Unleavened Bread, a ceremonial Sabbath (which landed on the 7th day Sabbath, making it the high Sabbath). Jesus rested on this Sabbath day. Then on the 16th, the day of 1st Fruits, Jesus was resurrected from the dead, being the firstfruits of them that sleep in Jesus.
---Gina7 on 5/12/07


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"And Acts 15 says not ONE WORD of enforcing Sabbath observence ...on Gentile Christians."
YEP! Acts 15

That's right, because Acts 15 is talking about Circumcision, not questioning if we should obey God or not in the 4th commandment, becuase it was a commandment,written by God's own finger, and they were smart enough not to question God, but Obey Him instead. Sabbath is not mentioned in Acts 15 because they were not talking about the 10 commandments, God's Holy Law.
---Gina7 on 5/12/07


"Whoseover committeth sin transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manisfested to take away our sins and in him is no sin. Whoseover abideth in him sinneth not; whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you" 1John3:4-7 Jesus did not die on the cross so that we could be sinners and disobey any of the 10 commandments, and that includes the 4th. He broke the power of sin!
---Gina7 on 5/12/07


"By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain.." Heb 11:4 Abel OBEYED God in offering the animal sacrifice God asked for: Cain DISOBEYED God by offering something else. Abel was faithful because he followed God's command. Do SDA's, or Mainstream Churches, follow God's command to keep holy the 7th day Sabbath? Which follows God, and which offers up a another,different day? Who obeys without question, who disobeys and makes up excuses for it?
---Gina7 on 5/12/07


Luke 23 Jesus died on cross & his body was buried right before Sabbath "and that day was the preparation, and the Sabbath drew on" vs 54. the women "rested the Sabbath Day according to the Commandment" vs 56,then in ch 24 on the 1st day the women found that Jesus was not in the grave. Jesus rested upon Sabbath day, making it the memorial of redemption, to ADD to it already being memorial of creation. Our saviour who created us, redeemed us as well, & 7th day Sabbath memorializes both!
---Gina7 on 5/12/07


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TS-If God WASN'T referring to the 7thDay Sabbath when "..sware He that they should not enter into His rest.."(Hb3:18) then Scripture would say His rest remains with the 7thDay of the week.
A rest remains (Hb4:6,9,Mt.11:38-40&those who believe enter that rest)
Where does the rest remain?
It didn't remain by entering the promised land:
Heb 4:8"For if Joshua had given them rest, then would He not afterward have spoken of another day."
(continued...)
---Sheila on 5/12/07


Ts-(Part 2)That leaves the 7thDay.Or, was ANOTHER day spoken of?
Yep! ANOTHER day WAS spoken of.
Heb 4:8"For if Joshua had given them rest, then would He not afterward have spoken of ANOTHER day."

Not surprising since Hb.4:4-5 attaches the 7thDay with His oath of Ps.95:11. &Hb4:8 attaches land Joshua led the people into with the 7thDay.
God said they couldn't have the weekly 7thDay rest.It remains on ANOTHER day!
---Sheila on 5/12/07


TS-Please post scripture that shows we're forbidden to seek God's rest EVERYDAY,doing no ordinary work by laboring to enter the rest,doing all things heartily,as to the Lord in Jesus name.That excedes the righteousness of scribes&Pharisees keeping 7thDay.
---Sheila on 5/12/07


Jana-You're right.Thank you!

*...didnt u know the 10commandments a transcript of His Holy Character we need 2conform 2?*

All the commandments(not just the 10C) are about Christ's Holy Character cuz all of them are about love(Rm.13:9)&God is love.God loves us the way He has us love one another as taught in His commandments(not just the 10C).Indeed He commands us to love one another as He loves us(Jn.13:34).
---Sheila on 5/11/07


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Jana:

Yes,Christ is the Word Who was made flesh

Yes,the Bible is all about Him

Yes,as I understand the new cov,all 10C are there

NO,I don't see where Scripture says Christ is the Law.Where Jana?

NO, I don't see where Scripture says 10C are a transcript of His Holy Character.Where Jana?

Christ is Wisdom.God is Love.The Father&the Son are one.So if you want to know about Christ's Holy Character, read about Wisdom in Prov.8 &about Love in 1Co.13.
---Sheila on 5/11/07


TS-I've NEVER said Scripture was in error.
Provide Scripture showing I lie.Or, you're just spewing more fluff.


No I don't deny the Spirit of Truth.

TS,things you say are riddled with fault.Bible verses are true;but they DON'T support the untruth you say.
You also make false accusations A LOT!
---Sheila on 5/11/07


Kathr, Col 3:1-4 doesn't say we are free to break the 4th Commandment. Try again. Seems you are having a hard time coming up with scriptural support for breaking the 4th Commandment. Some go as far as trying to say Jesus broke it. I've heard of misery loving company, but this takes the cake!
---Geoff on 5/11/07


shiela: Please post the scripture that says God says we can not have His 7th Day rest. Would love to see where you distorted that from.
---TS on 5/11/07


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shiela: Things you say are riddle with error, half truth and falsehood. I give you Scripture after Scripture in context and you deny them and say that scripture is in error. Is it the Spirit of Truth that you deny?
---TS on 5/11/07


Robyn: your just as other rebellish christians on this forum who r like the stiffnecked Israelites who refuse 2obey God in the wilderness.Did u not know that Christ is the Law, the Word John1:1 and made flesh John1:14? Didnt u know that the Bible is allll about Him? and didnt u know the 10commandments a transcript of His Holy Character we need 2conform 2? did u know that the 10Cs a perpetual law Ex31:16,17?If u didnt, then study the Bible again brother and dont follow Lee n his false preaching..
---jana on 5/11/07


Today, there are basically three views on which day is the Sabbath.>>>1.Saturday, the seventh day of the week, is the Sabbath [often referred to as the "Jewish" Sabbath], and should be observed by Christians. 2.Sunday, even though it is the first day of the week, should be observed as the Sabbath [often referred to as the "Christian Sabbath"]. 3.Any day can be the Sabbath, so long as you live that day as a Christian. I will later let you know what I found out. Bite the dust.+
---catherine on 5/10/07


Things you say are riddled with fault.Bible verses are true;but they DON'T support the untruth you say.

I implore you to stop living as though you're the child of Ishmael of the bondmaid Agar.Start living like the child of Isaac of the promise of the free woman Sarah that you are(Gal.4:21-31).

Only God can plant the seeds He's used me to plant in you,&only God can make them grow.When you hear His voice, harden not your heart(Ps.95:7,Hb4:7).
---Sheila on 5/10/07


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TS-*Jesus even warned the Christians to honor the Sabbath after His ascension.*
Things you say are riddled with fault.Bible verses are true;but they DON'T support untruth you say.
I implore you to stop living as though you're the child of Ishmael of the bondmaid Agar.Start living like the child of Isaac of the promise of the free woman Sarah that you are.
Only God can plant the seeds He's used me to plant in you,&only God can make them grow.When you hear His voice,harden not your heart.
---Sheila on 5/10/07


shiela: Jesus even warned the Christians to honor the Sabbath after His ascension. The Apostles kept the Sabbath all through ACTs even in gentile regions.

Jesus rebuked people like you wishing to impose all sorts of burdens on the Sabbath so that you can claim it a yoke of bondage and thus justify the perverted gospel you follow that preaches Lawlessness. "Depart from Me ye who practice iniquity."
---TS on 5/10/07


Gina7-*Jesus created us, then rested on the 7th day, then He redeemed us, and rested on the 7th day, thereby making it the dual memorial of creation and redemption.


Really? So then the other two days and nights He was "resting" have become Sabbath also?

You're assuming things not even stated in Scripture.Just because Jesus happened to be still dead on Sabbath doesn't mean it's something special beyond that.
---Sheila on 5/10/07


Gina7-*So the whole point of Jesus dying on cross was so we would not have to observe the Sabbath anymore?*
Sabbath DIDN'T change with Jesus death on the cross.It CHANGED when God swore they couldn't have His 7th Day rest.7thDay has been a time marker since it's beginning.
The point of Sabbath is to take it to EVERYDAY,doing no ordinary work by laboring to enter the rest,doing all heartily,as to the Lord in Jesus name.That excedes the righteousness of scribes&Pharisees keeping 7thDay.
---Sheila on 5/10/07


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TS-(part 2)Probably why Jack suggests Catherine preaches to her walls is cuz anyone hearing her could tell her the scripture she's using has NOTHING to do with what she's trying to support.
A BIBLICAL observation on his part!
"And Acts 15 says not ONE WORD of enforcing Sabbath observence ...on Gentile Christians."
YEP! Acts 15

Jack's statements are backed in the Bible TS!
---Sheila on 5/10/07


Gina - *So the whole point of Jesus dying on cross was so we would not have to observe the Sabbath anymore? How sad that you see it this way!!*

And you may not accept this, but we do not even have to have our male children circumcised anymore.

Acts 15:10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?
---lee on 5/10/07


"As a New Creation in Christ,we are FREE from Sabbath Law.I can pick up a stick anytime I want.I can go as far as I want from my house after Church. Because I am at REST and at PEACE with God through Christ Jesus,I am at Liberty.I do not wish to be placed under the yoke of bondage again. Law or sin. Jesus accomplished this for us at Calvary!
---kathr4453 on 5/8/07 So the whole point of Jesus dying on cross was so we would not have to observe the Sabbath anymore? How sad that you see it this way!!
---Gina7 on 5/10/07


Jesus created us, then rested on the 7th day, then He redeemed us, and rested on the 7th day, thereby making it the dual memorial of creation and redemption. The 7th Day Sabbath is now even more holy and special than it was in the beginning, and in no way shape or form has been done away with. It is still God's sanctified and holy day to spend with Him. Sundown Friday to sundown Saturday is God's Holy Sabbath Day.
---Gina7 on 5/10/07


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I think it means: we are not locked in one way or the other in keeping the Sabbath. The Son of man has control over the Sabbath and not the other way around.
Keep it if you must and if you like but we dont have to. This makes us the Lord of our Sabbath. In other words, we make the decision whether to keep it or not. And how we will use it. If I choose to work on the Sabbath, it is ok. If you do not choose to work,, it is still ok.
---Robyn on 5/9/07


TS-*jack: Your point is retarded.*
Really?His points are supported by blatantly CLEAR scripture!
"Seems that one of the things He was accused of was Sabbath-breaking."
YEP! Jn.5:18
*He also said, "My Father works on the Sabbath, and I work."*
YEP! Jn.5:17
(continued...)
---Sheila on 5/9/07


Christ also said that the sabbath was a day of rest for the man, and He didn't like how people resented resting. It was, "for" the man, not a punishment. But, Christ said if your ox is in a ditch, get it out! Christ was saying HE HAD THE AUTHORITY OVER THE SABBATH DAY and they had no right to get angry that he healed and other things on that day.
---Cheryl on 5/9/07


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