No Helen, read what I wrote. I have no idea what JPII had embroidered on the inside of all of his clothing - I don't do his laundry and I am not a taylor. I affirmed that he did have a motto, this most Catholics have heard of. If you want to object to the motto, that's fine. But if Catholics worship the Pope so much then why is it that Protestants seem to know more about them than we do? Mima is obsessed with the Pope to the point of the ridiculous. It borders on idolatry. |
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---lorra8574 on 5/18/07 |
Lorra8574 - ("Helen, Mima stated that Pope JPII had this motto embroidered on the inside of all of his garments") -- Lorra, you confirmed this yourself when you said "What you quoted was certainly Pope JPIIs motto". Are you now trying to back down from what you said? |
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---Helen_5378 on 5/17/07 |
Jack you are quick to call someone a slanderer yet you have done the same thing.
You claim that Helen has no "proof" for her statement.
She said, "The pope before the present one had the following embroidered inside all of his outer garments; Mary I am all yours."
You claim it is untrue.
So, where is your evidence that it is untrue?
One of you is wrong. You know, it could be you. We have noticed you wrong before. |
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---Elder on 5/17/07 |
caring>> I totally agree with YOU! |
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---catherine on 5/17/07 |
Some of you are truly ridiculous. You have to criticize whatever Catholics do.
Can't you just mind your own business and live and let live?
You became a nuisance. |
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---Caring on 5/17/07 |
Helen, Mima stated that Pope JPII had this motto embroidered on the inside of all of his garments. Now either Mima was having an illicit affair with the Pope, how else could he possibly have known this? Or Mima is spreading hatred.
The motto, whether or not it was embroidered on anything, stems from JPII's relationship with Jesus and His mother and in response to extraordinary events that have been unfolding over the past century. |
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---lorra8574 on 5/17/07 |
Lorra8574 - ("What you quoted was certainly Pope JPIIs motto") -- Thank you Lorra for the confirmation. Then you try to claim that he put God first. It was his motto that Mima came against, not the pope himself. Any person who has that embroidered on their clothes certainly does not put God first. You really should be able to see that. |
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---Helen_5378 on 5/17/07 |
Jack - Lorra just confirmed that what Mima said is true. I am surprised that you did not know about it. |
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---Helen_5378 on 5/17/07 |
caring, Put not your trust in man, but in the creator. Your very words show how bias you are, do some research and find out where and how your faith derived and them pit them against what Christ said You will not find a single Quote where Mary advocates been equal to God/Christ/Holy Ghost and there are no indications to state she wished to be worshiped. Where in time does this occur? maybe a loop hole for Heresy (Catholic Faith) Via POPE/S |
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---Carla5754 on 5/17/07 |
Mima, why do non-Catholics obsess so much on what the Pope does or wears? What you quoted was certainly Pope JPIIs motto and may be he had it embroidered on his underwear too, so what? The Pope served God first and foremost. He has enormous respect for the mother of Our Lord and did devote his papacy to her, but not in the place of God's due. You pick at little things that you do not understand while ignoring the greater importance of what this man did for Christianity in the world. |
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---lorra8574 on 5/17/07 |
Helen, is the Archbishop of Cantebury exalting himself by merely being the head of the Anglican Church under the Queen. Do you consider the leader of every other denomination (that admits to having one) to be exalting themselves? Where in the Bible does it say that there must not be a leader under Christ? |
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---lorra8574 on 5/17/07 |
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The pope before the present one had the following embroideryed inside all of his outer garments " Mary I am all yours."**
Wrong.
Doesn't it bother you to say things that aren't true? |
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---Jack on 5/17/07 |
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Jack - The pope lifts himself up merely by being the head of the RCC.**
In other word, Helen, you cannot support your accusation.
You know, in the Bible there's someone who makes slanderous accusations he can't support, either. We all know what his name is. |
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---Jack on 5/17/07 |
The pope before the present one had the following embroideryed inside all of his outer garments " Mary I am all yours." |
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---Mima on 5/16/07 |
Jack - The pope lifts himself up merely by being the head of the RCC. I am horrified whenever I see him on television and the many thousands of "the faithful" who go to see him. He lifts himself up by proclaiming falsely that he is the vicar of Christ on earth. |
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---Helen_5378 on 5/16/07 |
Helen, you'll do yourself and US a favor and one day you care to listen to one of the sermons of the Pope and see what he says.
You'll be shocked to learn how wrong you and others here are in your accusastions against him.
I wish all Christians were as good and faithful to Christ as John Paul II was and Benedict is proving to be. |
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---Caring on 5/16/07 |
Further, Paul frequently asked others to pray for him, which is no different than any other Catholic asking someone else to pray for us. The Bible instructs us to pray for one another, and to ask others to pray for us. Your objection is that you do not believe in the communion of saints and thus do not believe that anyone in Heaven can pray for you. Yet Jesus told us that the angels do intercede for us and showed us examples of those who are alive after death - Abraham, Moses, Elijah, need I go on? |
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---lorra8574 on 5/16/07 |
And who might they be Okebaram? |
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---Carla5754 on 5/16/07 |
**Paul never dared to lift himself up**
Neither has the pope. Please give ONE example of either John Paul II or Benedict XVI lifting himself up.
Be specific about where this was said and the circumstances.
You made your accusation, Helen. Can you back it up? |
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---Jack on 5/16/07 |
Helen, Pope Benedict XVI was not what many liberal Catholics wanted to see as their next pope. He is rock solid on the scriptures and has required that all Catholics read them. He refused to bow to modernist pressures to allow gay marriage and abortion. Even from his earlier ministry, this man has not suffered every wind of doctrine but held fast when many around him wanted to conform to the world. |
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---lorra8574 on 5/16/07 |
Helen, show me where Pope Benedict XVI did or said anything to exalt himself. And show me from the scriptures that Jesus said that we could ONLY ask Him to pray for us. |
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---lorra8574 on 5/16/07 |
Lorra8574 - There is a very huge difference between the Apostle Paul and the pope. Paul never dared to lift himself up. Paul's whole life and preaching was Jesus Christ and Him crucified. You never once heard him praying to anybody but the Lord. |
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---Helen_5378 on 5/16/07 |
True, Helen. Few like the truth when it interferes with their personal preferences. And that holds true in churches too. Some are used to hearing a fluffy version of the gospel and might find Paul abrasive.
On the other hand, there are a few Pauls in the Catholic Church today and it has been a great blessing. Pope Benedict XVI has ruffled a lot of feathers because he speaks like Paul did, but I cannot think of a better man to be Pope. We need more Pauls. |
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---lorra8574 on 5/16/07 |
I love to study the revelation of Jesus Christ through Paul's life. It is incredible. As to what he would say to the church in this day, I believe it would be the same thing he said then: I am determined to know nothing among you save Jesus Christ and Him crucified. |
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---Linda on 5/15/07 |
Carla, have you sat silent and listened to the apostle Pauls we have today? |
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---Okebaram on 5/15/07 |
We need a Paul in Church today, I'd be the first to sit silent. |
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---Carla5754 on 5/15/07 |
Most importantly would they invite Jesus, or the Holy Spirit inside. |
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---Cynthia_1 on 5/10/07 |
It wasn't Paul who ruffled feathers. It was the message he preached, Jesus Christ and Him crucified. The Cross either draws people to Jesus or it makes them plain angry. The Cross of Christ shows man his true state and it is not a pretty picture. |
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---Helen_5378 on 5/5/07 |
Rebecca D, fortunately for Paul, he was university educated in Tarsus, where he met Luke who became a physician before becoming a Christian. Paul was fluent in both Greek and Hebrew (and probably also Aramaic). But he probably would not be liked in every church, as he was sometimes one to ruffle feathers. |
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---lorra8574 on 5/5/07 |
Ed, you are absolutely correct, I don't know much about catholics. I am unsure what you think I think, my question did not imply one way or the other weather I thought Paul would be allowed behind pulpits of congregations today. I do not attend a congregation within a building so I wanted to know how people believed Paul would be received in thiers. I like small bible studies and Paul would certainly be welcomed to the tables I have attended, everyone is welcome. |
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---Ryan_Z on 5/4/07 |
Ryan
With respect, you don't know that much about Catholics or Catholicism if you think that!
St Paul is much loved in the Catholic Church. It was Paul who told Peter that salvation was for all mankind, not just Jews. Paul was, no doubt, much more of a theologian than Peter, but Paul was humble in that he recognized that God chose Peter to be pastoral leader of Christians on earth.
I think Luther was a bit of a St Paul. Tragically for Chritians in general he broke away from the Church. |
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---Ed on 5/4/07 |
If Luther had kept his calm then things could have been a lot different. Also because of his lack of calmness his theology became too reactionary. Too negative as opposed to focusing on moving everyone forward. And i think, personally, think he got it wrong, big time, with Fide Solo - simply because our goal in life is to love, not sit back and say salvation is secured because of Fide Solo. |
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---Ed on 5/4/07 |
Paul is a popular Saint in the Catholic Church. In a workbook for my son's sacramental preparation it was asked "if you could meet with the Apostle Paul and ask him one question regarding the Church and its teachings, what would it be?" My son answered that he didn't have any questions for Paul because the Bible explained everything for him already. Pope Benedict VI filled a roll similar to that of St. Paul while serving with the previous Pope John Paul II. |
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---lorra8574 on 5/3/07 |
No, the apostle Paul would not be welcome in most churches today. What he wrote which was a huge part of the New Testament is not even welcome by Christians at large any longer. The church has gone it's own way with all of it's false doctrines, so much so that it does not look anything like the real thing any longer. |
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---Helen_5378 on 5/3/07 |
Oh my goodness I would hug the man. Oh my goodness. I am speachless! |
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---catherine on 5/2/07 |
John, wouldn't you get just the least bit excited? |
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---catherine on 5/2/07 |
There would be a few problems with cultural differences but I would welcome him to our church anyday. We are non denominational and fairly charismatic so I think we would get along just fine. |
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---john on 5/2/07 |
Yes he would be welcomed in my church. In alot of churches, if he didn't go to school and have a type of degree, he wouldn't be allowed to preach/teach. And in some churches, they wouldn't want him there because Paul would speak the truth and tell you like it is. You either say Amen or Ouch. |
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---Rebecca_D on 5/2/07 |
I think the Apostle Paule would be disgusted with the Churches of today. I do not think most pastors would welcome Paul unknowingly off of the street. Many churches of today are busnisess. Some have neon signs out. There is a lack of Love alot of strife and preaching often compliments world values or have completely false doctrine. Paul wouldn't be allowed to even sit in the audience. |
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---jody on 5/2/07 |
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