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False Teaching In My Church

My husband and I go to a church that has a lot of error in it. I want to leave but he is not ready to leave yet, and wants to try to get his point across to the pastors. I cannot take another sunday in that church, what should I do?

Moderator - Request he makes his point in one week and then depending on the response of the pastor your family should be able to decide what is best.

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And just how do you determine what is truth and error?

On the basis of what YOU think the Bible says?

Could there be a possibility that YOU are in error? Just maybe?
---Jack on 3/13/08


Doree: there are many false doctrines in churches today invented by man. the rapture, OSAS, everyone returns to God regardless what they do in life. Jesus died for our sins, why repent. etc. the gospel is simple. you make mistakes in life, you repent and never do them again. you live your life in God's image, trying to perfect yourself in all ways. avoiding temptation, loving everyone, forgiving those who hurt you. being doers of the word and not hypocrites or hearers only. 24-7
---ashley on 5/26/07


first,what false teachings?are they false or just things you dont agree with?there are wide ranging differing opinions in churches,noone has absolute truth though many think they have.the basic essentisls are we ruined God's creation by sin,He sent jesus to pay the penalty of our sin,which unpunished sends us to hell,we have forgiveness on our repentance and acceptance that christ took our punishment,he rose again ascended and is coming back,satan will be defeated the saved will live in heaven
---doree4573 on 5/25/07


*u say your highly educated, tch tch (((%)))*

I am still on a learning curve, realizing that there is much that I can and need to learn. And that is why I obey the command to "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15

And in rightly dividing the word of God, it is easy to see why Adventism is such a confusing pile of you know what.
---lee on 5/25/07


BE careful indeed Lee: u r wrongfully slandering all the SDAs. One SDA man printed how he himself interpreted the bible for his own use. SDAs faithfully go by the King James VErsion and just bcos this man is SDA does not mean we all go by His bible..no way..get your facts right Lee..your blowing off foul air too many times..u say your highly educated, tch tch (((%))) highly confused rather..
---jana on 5/23/07




"Article #18 that the works of Ellen White is a continuing & authoritative source of truth..." call me stupid, but I thought Jesus Christ was the only continuing and authoritive source of truth. who died and put her in charge of the salvation of God's children.
---ashley on 5/23/07


Lee: I will say this to you same as Jesus said: GET IN BEHIND SATAN..IT IS WRITTEN, MAN SHOULD NOT LIVE BY BREAD ALONE BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEED FROM OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD. Quit your SDA bashing and show yourself a child of God..or r u? U have not ever invited anyone from this forum seeking God 2your church..why??cos u r a hypocrite?.. U will destroy new believers faith the way u carry on..Lord have mercy
---jana on 5/23/07


TS & Kathr are one and the same. She mixes it up a little, varies a little with each name, but they "both" teach hot dog water and need to wash "their" mouth out with soap.
---Barney on 5/22/07


I feel like if you are using solo scriptura you are only following the logos(greek) word of God, like the actualy one written down(i think)...and you dont listen to the rhema word of God which is the spoken word of God...
---mark_B. on 5/22/07


TS - *SDA follow "Sola Scriptura" prefering King James Bible.*

SDA do not in the least follow the concept of Sola Scriptura - principle of Scripture only, as we read in the 7th Day Adventist church Fundamental Beliefs, Article #18 that the works of Ellen White 'is a continuing & authoritative source of truth..."

You deceive yourself if you believe the SDA follows the principle of Sola Scriptura.
---lee on 5/22/07




Sarah - lee speaks only the truth. They say the SDA follow the Bible, preferrably the King James, but they now have published their Clear Word Bible that forces the interpretation of their unique doctrined in much the same way as the Jehovah's Witnesses New World translation.

Also like the JWs they want you to believe w/o any confirmation whatsover that Jesus begin judgement on Christians in 1844 - a belief on the same shelf with the JW's invisible coming of Jesus in 1914.

Be careful!
---lee on 5/22/07


Sarah: Lee is a liar, the truth is not in him. SDAs teach much of Wesleyan Methodist theology with baptism by immersion like baptist do. They are in no way related to mormons or jehovahs witnesses that have bibles of their own creation

SDA follow "Sola Scriptura" prefering King James Bible. Main difference is they believe in Keeping ALL 10 Commandments and believe the Bible on the State of the Dead rather than tradition. They are not afraid of walking past a cemetary at night ;)
---TS on 5/22/07


Sarah - *...SDA near you and try them out..they will welcome you with open arms..take any question u may want to ask and they will happily answer u from the Word of God..*

You would get plenty much the same reception at the local Kingdom Hall or Mormon temple in your local. One method that cults use is to bomb you will as much love as you can take. Then afterwards, it is ten percent of your income plus a harness around your neck to do with work.
---lee on 5/21/07


Sarah, I invite you sister to go to one of our churches SDA near you and try them out..they will welcome you with open arms..take any question u may want to ask and they will happily answer u from the Word of God..I warn you tho, they are Bible believing christians and are very serious with the Truth of God..
---jana on 5/21/07


I think that Sara went home.
---John_T on 5/20/07


Acts 2 v 38 Full Fills Matt 28 v 19. (Water Baptizm) Baptizing them in the name of the Father,and of the Son,and of the Holy Ghost & Jesus Christ is That Name. Jesus Christ is The Author & Finisher of His Salvation Plan to the Jewish people FIRST on The Day of Pentecost & then to us gentiles. His Name Must be Applied.
---Lawrence on 5/19/07


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That's right Sarah. To get "his point across". Do they care about his point? Are they going to change their format or adjust policy for his point? So why bother.
Getting close to the guys at the top at any cost. Top down authority? Few people complain.
---jhonny on 5/19/07


When Jesus said go and baptize them in the name of the Father Son And holy Ghost He gave Peter the realation of who he was .No where in the new testment do you read where they baptize any other way but in jesus name When people baptise in Father son and Holy Ghost they are just repeating the words Jesus said That would be like a person saying shut the door and you turn arond and say shut the door
you are reapeing what was said you are not obeying or you walk over and close the door
---Betty on 5/19/07


Sarah? Hello?
---TS on 5/18/07


John_T: Good Question!
---TS on 5/17/07


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Sarah,

Two weeks passed since your first post. Lots of advice given, and some cult bashing, totally unrelated to you.

What steps have you and hubby taken?

Could you have heard wrongly?

Exactly what teachings do you consider wrong?
---John_T on 5/17/07


Sarah simple solution: leave! DONT start trouble. you will be the one wrong if you start trouble. Also when you go to another church you might want to sit down and talk about the problem with the pastor of the church where you want to go.Just in case he hears something diffrent about why you left the other church that way he has it straight from you. Just wondering What was the error?
---mike on 5/17/07


Sarah ask a question and it turns into a doctrin battle or one or another just snapping at each other. I have notice in several other blogs its the same way. Some times it's like if a person can't make a good solid debate on the subject then they trash the other person in a personal way. I think its time for a new blog. Trinity VS Oneness Dont reply unless you have scripture to back it up. No winner or loser its up to the one reading the blog.
---mike on 5/17/07


*Oneness Penecostal is false teaching.*

I can only agree as they have a problem with the Trinity doctrine. If one is not baptized in the name of Jesus, then you have not been properly baptized. They also emphasize speaking in tongues, running up & down the aisles, etc.
---lee on 5/16/07


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Hi; reading this makes me more and more grateful for the minister/wife my church has, and their associates. :) I once left a church that treated women with awful sexism and always wanted to write the pastor a letter explaining why--but I never had the courage to do it. Wish I had; I would have been respectful and he would have maybe respected me for talking to him.
---Mary on 5/16/07


You should lean to the Lord for guidance. I was in that same situation but maybe God is allowing your husband to be light in a place of darkness. Light doesn't do nothing if it's only around a bunch of light.

But COOKE please educate yourself about Oneness, because we don't believe the Holy Ghost is an influence. The Bible declares there is ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, AND ONE BAPTISM.
---jclef614 on 5/16/07


Oneness Penecostal is false teaching.

Anyone who views the Holy Spirit as only an influence, inspiration, or essence, is a false teacher.
---Cooke on 5/16/07


mars: What you describe is what the Bible refers to as "Babylon" "Sodom and Egypt" in Prophetic Scriptures. Have you read those Prophecies with 'Spiritual Confusion" in mind as related to those two terms? Both Egypt and Babylon had pagan confusion and sodom was devoid of natural affection. Clearly describes the condition of the world today.
---TS on 5/16/07


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Your husband should be allowed to make his points, suggestions, ect. An insecure preacher or God forbid an unsaved one, might not heed. If that is the case GET OUT. Like the Moderator says, "One week should do it".
---catherine on 5/16/07


I hope that at this time, your problem is history. This is a serious problem as the spirit of error is the spirit of Antichrist. We are not even to greet these types of people. I hope you are out of there and have found another place to fellowship where the Bible is preached. There is much false teaching out there right now as we are in the end times.
---jody on 5/16/07


False Religious Syncretism
Fusion of differing systems of belief - in areas of philosophy and religion, and results in a new teaching or belief system. This can be very dangerous to Biblical Christianity.

Religious syncretism takes place when foreign beliefs are introduced to an indigenous belief system and the teachings are blended. The new, heterogeneous religion then takes a shape of its own.
Religious syncretism - relies on the whim of man, not the standard of Scripture.
---Mars on 5/15/07


Sarah: Does your church have a statement of faith? Do they follow that statement or have they fallen away....or have you grown more in the Lord since you first started attending? If it is false doctrine, do any other members have issues? Was he voted in by the members or placed there by the higher powers. If members,maybe others have issues,and he needs to leave. Strength comes in numbers. Witnesses go in two's or three's. That way you won't be accused of having a personal issue,or your concerns twisted.
---kathr4453 on 5/15/07


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I left the Catholic Church when I discovered they worshipped Idols, call a man Holy Father, Priests commit blasphemy forgiving sin rather than God.
---TS on 5/15/07


Jack, 666 adds up to 18. 1 and 8 is 9.
Turn 666 upside down and you have 999. That adds up to 27, which ads up to 9. Now two 9s are 18 which adds up to 9 to give us the third 9 which is 999 which is 666 upside down.
Three numbers divided into 9 equals 3. 3x3=9.
Three speaks of the Trinity, Father Son and Holy Spirit.
Now it is your turn to tell us how foolish this mentality is.
---Elder on 5/15/07


Lee: The Seventh Day Adventist Church has never held Arianism as a doctrine. Those folks that kept that view left the church. To say that Ariansim was taught by the SDA Church is misleading.
---TS on 5/15/07


Jack, for a sane person here, this has to rank up with the top ten absurdities posted on this blog site: -the initials of whose name add up to 666!

Please refrain from that stuff.

Nice try, though.
---John_T on 5/14/07


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*the Adventists do Not Practice Arianism*

I have to agree but some of the early Adventists did indeed believe that Christ was a created being according to one former Adventist pastor.

Of course, one of the major problems of early Adventists was their 'closed door' belief - no salvation available after 1844; a belief that leaves Ellen White's "prophetical visions" highly suspect.
---lee on 5/14/07


Jack: The SDA Church posts thier Doctrine on thier website with Scriptural reference. I have examined it and it is not Arian as you claim. It is Trinity rather than Popery.
---TS on 5/14/07


** the Adventists do Not Practice Arianism**

WRONG!

James White (EGW's husband) was an Arian.

SDA literature plainly says that Jesus is Michael the Archangel.

This is Arianism.

Of course, Arius had this advantage: he wasn't bogged down with the ravings of Ellen Gould White--the initials of whose name add up to 666!

BTW--I'm not a Roman Catholic.
---Jack on 5/12/07


Jack: Unlike the Catholic Church that has purposely introduced practices and beliefs that are contrary to Scripture, the Adventists do Not Practice Arianism and have a history of correcting doctrinal error based upon the Word of God rather than the traditions of men you follow. One in humility submitting to the Word the other proudly following the pompous display of the Popery.
---TS on 5/10/07


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There are a LOT of Dingbats up on the pulpit today, just because they put themselves UP there, doesn't mean that God ever did. They may be very HAUGHTY, and lifted up, think of THEMSELVES AS ELECT but their nothing more, then sounding brass, and a tinkling cymbal.
---Cynthia_1 on 5/10/07


** Sam: I am a supporter of what Wesley taught in the Methodist Church....SDAs teach much the same**

With this BIG difference:

The Wesleys believed that Jesus is "God from God, Light from Light, Very God of Very God."

The early SDA's clung to the Arian heresy. Many still do, saying that Jesus is NOT God Incarnate, but the Archangel Michael.
---Jack on 5/10/07


Sam: I am a supporter of what Wesley taught in the Methodist Church....SDAs teach much the same yet keep the Sabbath and recognize that the "Dead Know not anything." Very Scriptural, unlike Baptists who desire to roast people in a furnace forever per Catholic Dogma.
---TS on 5/9/07


So you are SDA, TS.
We thought so.
---sam on 5/9/07


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The rabid kind, I should say.
Foaming and blathering at the mouth, crazed, and howling at the moon, loon.
---sam on 5/9/07


I left the Baptist Church when I discovered they hated Sabbath Keepers.
---TS on 5/9/07


Dear Friend, we are not required to sit under outright false leaders and their doctrines. You do not have to follow your spouse's leading, on this either, by attending this church. If you are persuaded in your mind this church is not for you, stop going there and find another church home. Right away. Hopefully your spouse will be led by the Lord and come from among this confusion.
I hate to see a family separated by spiritual issues but this is a serious matter. Blessings to you and your family.
---Robyn on 5/8/07


5) Speak to an Elder, and ask him to go as a witness if the next step is required. Remember you are seeking reconcilliation, not an exit strategy.

6) If an exit is required, take no one else along with you, nor try to recruit others. You are dealing with the Bride of Christ. He has to correct errors, and if you seek to destroy, then his just wrath comes on you as well as the erring church and pastor(s).
---John_T on 5/8/07


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Sarah, you must follow Matt 18 in this matter.

1) make a list of the alleged errors citing date and topic.

2) You and hubby make an appointment with the one who gave the sermon, asking for clarification; you COULD be wrong.

3) Go with humility, and the protection of Holy Spirit. Seek clarification, not confrontation.

4) Do not make rash decisions, compare Scripture with Scripture.
---John_T on 5/8/07


One thing I have learned over the years as a Christian is to only listen to Hebrew and Greek meanings from Hebrew and Greek scholars. There are some around you know. We have an excellent Bible College nearby with an educated teacher who gladly helps anyone out with Hebrew and Greek whenever they need it. From what I can tell, those on this blog who are spouting all this Hebrew and Greek nonsense are not scholars at all.
---Susie on 5/7/07


No, You know it ALL, I do not ever use Strongs.

And When did God die and leave YOU in Charge?
---Cynthia_1 on 5/7/07


**The Hebrew word for sheol is Hell, the unseen world; the place of departed spirits.**

Something tells me you get your great knowledge of Biblical languages from the lexica at the back of Strong's. They have as much to do with serious study as a first-aid manual has to do with brain surgery.

Would you trust a surgeon who referred to a first-aid manual?
---Jack on 5/6/07


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Cynthia, the dead HAVE a Qeber, they GO to Sheol.
---Ryan_Z on 5/5/07


Qeber is the proper Heb. word for grave, tomb, or burying place, while sheol is the one for hell, the present place for wicked departed souls and spirits a place where they are in a conscious state of torment and where they will remain until the resurrection of their bodies from the qeber. When Christ descended into sheol hades He liberated the righteous souls and spirits being held captive by the devil against their will.
---Cynthia_1 on 5/5/07


I should have added that in my own liturgical translation of Greek texts (a task not unlike translating the Bible), I use "sheol" or "gehenna", depending on the context, specifically to avoid such confusion, especially as both "hades" and "hell" have been trivialized in popular speech.
---Jack on 5/5/07


Jack, I need to correct you yet another time, as you just don't seem to get much right! The Hebrew word for sheol is Hell, the unseen world; the place of departed spirits. God is the one who made hell for the devil and his angels, and all men who follow Satan; He is the one who sends to hell and confines rebels there for eternity.
---Cynthia_1 on 5/5/07


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Cynthia 1, actually "sheol" is the Hebrew term for the place of the dead. If you do a Strongs search (07585) you will find it used interchangably as "grave" (where one is buried) and "hell" (where sinners go). It isn't Heaven.
---lorra8574 on 5/5/07


** Jack, Do you not know that Sheol is the Hebrew word for hell?**

No, Cynthia, it is not. You're mistaken in this as in so many other things you've said on these blogs.

"Sheol" is the Hebrew equivalent of the Greek "Hades"--used to mean the grave and the place of departed spirits.

"Ge hinnom", Hellenized as "gehenna" is the place of eternal punishment.
---Jack on 5/4/07


Part 2:

Alas, in KJV diction, "hell" was used to indifferently translate all these terms. The ERV of 1881 corrected this, as do most translations since.
---Jack on 5/4/07


** Intelligence doesn't save you.**

Matthew, tell that to Cynthia. She insists elsewhere that she has more common sense than her husband ("HAS IT ALL," in caps in her exact words) and admits she refuses to submit to him.
---Jack on 5/4/07


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Cynthia so Gehenna is also hell. THe word Gehenna is comprised of 2 words "Gen' Meaning valley and 'Hinnom' which is a name. Also hades is hell and tartaros is hell. How many hells are there? If the lake of fire is hell and Gehenna is hell and tartaros is hell and sheol is hell and hades is hell either we have a confused GOd or poor translation, I'll go with poor translation.
---Ryan_Z on 5/4/07


I asked God to put a calling upon my kids life. Whether it be preaching/teaching/Evanglists/etc. To use them for his glory and mold them in the way he wants to. But I can't tell my kids when they get older, that they are called to do something for God. Only God can put a calling upon a person, not man.
---Rebecca_D on 5/4/07


Jack, Do you not know that Sheol is the Hebrew word for hell?
---Cynthia_1 on 5/4/07


Jack there are people in thrid world countries with limited reading skills that have more knowledge and maturity in the Holy Spirit than renown scholars that know their Bible words inside and out. Intelligence doesn't save you.
---Matthew on 5/4/07


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"Most pastors appear to be called by their mother not God."

I've noticed this too Mima. I don't know how many times I have heard a minister say that he knows he was called because his mother always told him he was. That's a sure sign you better watch out!
---Susie on 5/4/07


**lies from the pulpits are leading ENTIRE CONGREGATIONS DOWN TO SHEOL. **

If you don't know the difference between Sheol and Gehenna, you can't be expected to approach Genesis 1 with the maturity and discretion of a mature Christian.
---Jack on 5/3/07


Have been where your husband is now. Have actually heard pastors misquote the Bible as they were reading from it. Rare is the pastor who accepts correction. Most pastors appear to be called by their mother not God. Moderator has good idea concerning time limit.
---Mima on 5/4/07


Good point jack...make sure you get your bible handy and go meet w/ the pastor...do this alone dont make a big mess of it...
---mark on 5/3/07


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Cythina: that is not the way to go. That is the childish way. Sarah: What point is he trying to make? there is not a church that is perfect. And someone will always find fault in the church. If the Pastor is not preaching the truth, then your husband or you, should be bold and go to him face to face. Don't beat around the bush about it. Don't spread his errors out in public, for that is gosipping. Why don't you go to your Pastor? Bring someone else with you if your husband doesn't want to face him.
---Rebecca_D on 5/3/07


Jack, you seem to think that you always have the right truth, why can't someone else? Cynthia, you advised her to cause dissention. Let her husband talk to the pastor. But always and first PRAY that God would open eyes to the Truth for either the pastor or you. The HS will guide you you if you let Him.
---betty8468 on 5/3/07


Is this false teaching on the part of the pastor or does he teach Biblical truthes with which you do not agree. You need to specify what it is that you disagree with before we can come to an honest opinion.
---Susie on 5/3/07


I would write a statement of fallacies of his lies on a written sheet of paper, Have many of them xeroxed, laminate it, attach it to the windshield wiper of every congregation member SO THAT ALL OTHERS DON'T SINK INTO his seducing chamber of scum. lies from the pulpits are leading ENTIRE CONGREGATIONS DOWN TO SHEOL. Then I would have my husband go to him.
---Cynthia_1 on 5/3/07


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