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10 Commandments In Ark

Why was the Ten Commandments of God written by His own hands placed in THE MIDDLE OF THE ARK and the Laws of Moses/Ceremonial Laws written by Moses in a book, placed at the side of the Ark? What was the significance for such move?

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While God did write the 10 commandments on 2 plagues, He wrote them on both sides.Ex. 32,15.
Lee 1/25/08
Note the Ten Commandments are written of both sides of the stone tablets. In Old Testament times, covenants were stamped with the kings seal right in the middle of the text which made them unreadable were the seal was. To solve this problem, covenants were written on both sides. This means, God wrote all 10 on both sides, so what EGW saw was correct, 4 on one, 6 on the other, same being on back
---Gina7 on 3/1/08


While God did write the 10 commandments on 2 plagues, He wrote them on both sides.Ex. 32,15.

Ellen White said that in her vision she saw Moses holding the 2 plagues with 4 commandments on one plague and the other 6 on the other plague.

And that should prove Ellen White created her own visions!
---Lee on 1/25/08


jana, what a loaded question. Let me ask you this in response. The first set of tablets given to Moses, if he had not shattered them, would GOd had to have given the law to Moses and AAron through their travels in the desert?
---Ryan_Z on 1/25/08


Geoff - *Lee, do you go with the popular vote or what is true? No need to bash Mrs White, ....*

I believe that the church - the community of true believers, speaks with a collective voice. Whereas the Adventist listen only to Ellen White whose unique writings are totally suspect.

Ellen White condemned the church charging that it became corrupted shortly after the death of the last Apostle. And who is it that is the accusers of Christians; if you say the Devil you got it correct Rev. 12;10.
---lee on 6/18/07


Salvation is LIFE...BY HIS life we are saved.
A true Christian has the life of Christ in them.
---duane on 6/18/07




Geoff - *Reject Dan 8:14 if you wish; doesn't change the facts. Instead of dismissing the sanctuary, consider that God has been showing us His plan all along.*

I certainly do not reject Daniel 8:14, I only accept it for what it states in the original language - which trumps any English translation.

And yes, I would agree that Isaiah 8:20
certainly describes Ellen White as there was no light within her. The fact that she plagiazed the works of others clearly depicts her lack of integrity.
---lee on 6/17/07


Geoff-To divide the 10 Commandments into a group of 4 and a group of 6 is NOT according to the Word!

To say the Law hangs on the 10 Commandments is NOT according to the Word!

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
---Sheila on 6/17/07


Matthew>>> Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. Have a great week.++
---catherine on 6/17/07


Catherine - *One more thing, God does not have to save anyone.*

And a good Calvinist will tell you that God will save only the Elect.

I believe that there is sufficient scripture to indicate we can have assurance of our salvation.

Romans 8:16-17 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, & if children, then heirs--heirs of God & fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.
---lee on 6/17/07


Lee, do you go with the popular vote or what is true? No need to bash Mrs White, especially when she's consistent with the rest of the Spirit of Prophecy.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
---Geoff on 6/17/07




Lee, God's word doesn't change & is just as true today. The IJ is nothing new. Maybe we're gaining an understanding, but God knew & put it in the Bible a long time ago.

Reject Dan 8:14 if you wish; doesn't change the facts. Instead of dismissing the sanctuary, consider that God has been showing us His plan all along.

And He shall be for a sanctuary-Is 8:14
Thy way, O God, is in the sanctuary-Ps 77:13
---Geoff on 6/17/07


Lee, in some scriptures SAved means to deliver only God's people from TROUBLE. Besides, If God does not give favor and save you, What are you gonna do? One more thing, God does not have to save anyone. He saves whom He chooses. BITE THE DUST.
---catherine on 6/17/07


I agree Catherine. It is one of the most understood scriptures. It is talking about those who continuously call upon the Lord thoughout their life. Those who claim that you are saved for saying "lord save me" are deceived because it is written

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

True conversion is shown through fruits, not words.
---Matthew on 6/17/07


catherine - saved means to deliver from the wrath to come.

Certainly there is more to "call upon the name of the Lord" as salvation is a multistep process beginning in ones call from God, regeneration, santification thru life, and then into glorification.

But if you have other stipulations, such as a belief that one must merit his or her salvation, then that would reject the concept that salvation is a gift by grace alone thru faith alone in Christ alone.
---lee on 6/17/07


Jeremiah 17:24
But if you are careful to obey me, declares the LORD, and bring no load through the gates of this city on the Sabbath, but keep the Sabbath day holy by not doing any work on it.
---Matthew on 6/16/07


Lee, If that were all there is to Salvation is to call out the word. JESUS , OH JESUS, And up to heaven you go. More people would go, To heaven that is.. Do you know what the words, save me means? It means to deliver me. That scripture that you are referring to means, That any man or woman that already belongs to God may call out my name and I will deliver them from trouble. In His timing, ofcourse. Man you need some Bible tools.
---catherine on 6/15/07


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catherine - *It may be startling to some of you bur God has never planned the Salvation of all people.*

That may be true however Scripture does tell us "that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved". Acts 2:21

And there is virtually nothing in Scripture that says only those who refrain from eating certain foods, or observe a particular day of the week, will be saved unto eternal life.
---lee on 6/15/07


Geoff - *how do you select which commentaries are faithful & reliable when you rely on speculation so much?*

It is the overall collective voice of the church we should listen to, both yesteryear & today; not some single individual like Ellen White who apparently in her lack of integrity plagarized the works of other people.

As to Daniel 8;14, one need only view the Hebrew language & see for yourself that the English translation of 1611 was incorrect. You do not need a commentary for that.
---lee on 6/15/07


I recognize that all of the human race has never been saved and will never be saved. It may be startling to some of you bur God has never planned the Salvation of all people.
---catherine on 6/15/07


Catherine-*But God commendeth His love toward us,in that,while we were yet sinners,Christ died for us*Rm5:8.
Sin is DISOBEYING God's law,1Jn3:4.Yet He loved us&sent His only begotten Son to die for us.

If God had NO love for wicked,He wouldn't even want them to turn from their evil ways.He WANTS them to turn from their evil ways!(Ez.33:11)God loved those who don't believe so much,that it was by Israel's unbelief that He saves us,&by mercy He gave us that He gives Israel mercy(Rm11:26-32)
---Sheila on 6/14/07


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It is important to keep God's Ten Commandments. How come?>>>It Shows this truth to Salvation is impressed upon the Soul. A disobedient life is the confutation [an argument or to prove a person mistaken] and shame of pretended religious knowledge. We know that we belong to God, and we are united to Him by that Spirit which assists us to this obedience.
---catherine on 6/14/07


Lee, that brand of "common sense" is common, but it makes no sense. You said "a doctrine is 'something that is taught, a dogma.'" When was the lesson given? 2 Tim 3:16

It was recorded millennia before it was understood. Daniel also got info before he understood-Dan 10:12.

Tell me, how do you select which commentaries are faithful & reliable when you rely on speculation so much? Do you throw the dice?
---Geoff on 6/14/07


There is not one single scripture in the whole Bible that saids, God loves and respects those who disobeys His laws. Not one. As a matter of fact, He promises to destroy nations and its people.
---catherine on 6/14/07


Geoff - *the IJ is NOT new doctrine for it has been in the Bible thousands of years.

A doctrine is "something that is taught, a dogma".

There is nothing in the history of the Christian church that resembles the unique SDA doctrine of the Investigative judgement.

The belief is based upon a mistranslation of Daniel 8:14; common sense should tell you that no essential doctrine of the faith is based upon a single verse of the Bible.
---lee on 6/13/07


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Lee, the IJ is NOT new doctrine for it has been in the Bible thousands of years-1 Pt 4:17; Ex 25:40; Heb 8:5, 9:23.
---Geoff on 6/13/07


Geoff - *...study aids are useful but we must rely more upon the Holy Spirit than misguided men...*

I could not agree more! One should always pray for the guidance of the Spirit as well as being open to the instruction of the church.

2 Tm 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;...

Adventists have introduced NEW doctrines such as their Investigative judgment - a doctrine never seen in the church for over 1800 years & that alone makes them suspect!
---lee on 6/13/07


Geoff>> Is correct. Bible tools are very helpful, But without the Person of the Holy Spirit you will not learn very much or go very far with what you have learned. Besides, God has the power to help you to forget everything you have learned. God is the key in learning; Not only scriptures, But everything in this life.
---catherine on 6/12/07


Lee, you said "my views are strongly dependent upon... Biblical commentaries & theological studies." You're mistaken; study aids are useful but we must rely more upon the Holy Spirit than misguided men. You select only those supporting your strange ideas 2 Tm 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; & they shall turn away their ears from the truth, & shall be turned unto fables
---Geoff on 6/12/07


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*It is neither safe nor wise to rely on self for the truth.*

Very true! While Jesus Himself is the truth, He has given the church teachers (and leaders) through whom the Holy Spirit has used to teach believers.

And that is why my views are strongly dependent upon what is found in the Biblical commentaries & theological studies.

I do not trust in my own wisdom but in what the Lord has given to His church. In that way, I can have confidence in what I believe.
---lee on 6/11/07


Geoff - when it comes to interpretation of the Scripture we must listen to the teachers the Lord has given His church.

Otherwise one has what you have - simply the twisting of Scripture to fit your prescribed doctrines - 'tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes'. Eph.4:14
---lee on 6/11/07


Lee do "simple answers" reveal anything about the person who gives them? It is neither safe nor wise to rely on self for the truth.

John 17:17
Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy word is truth.

BTW, God could have made the ark any size. You miss the purpose, but crack me up...
---Geoff on 6/11/07


*Why was Mosaic Laws placed beside the Ark. of the Covenant?*

Simply that it was too big to fit inside the Ark of the Covenant - a rather small box.

Also it needed continued access as the lid was very heavy.

Simple answers to simple questions.
---lee on 6/11/07


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Why was Mosaic Laws placed beside the Ark. of the Covenant?It was temporary Col 2:14,Heb8:13. ML defined the earthly temple services n all the special annual sabbaths. Everything contained within the ML was a dhadow that pointed 2 Jesus as the substance:Heb10:1For the law having a shadow of the good things 2come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which the offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect
---jana on 6/11/07


The ML prescribed sacrifices, festivals, n ceremonial ordinances that were symbolic of Jesus. Paul stated the ML ended when nailed 2cross.Col 2:13,14 B sure 2note here that the Bible says the HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES (LOM)not the Ten Cs.Paul continued,:Let noone judge u in food or in drink or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things 2come, but the substance is of Christ Col2:16,17.Purpose of LOM was 2prepare people 4His arrival Lk24:44
---jana on 6/11/07


1-Thou Shalt have no other gods before me. 2-Thou Shalt not make unto thee any graven image. 3-Thou Shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. 4-Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy. 5-Honor thy Father and thy Mother. 6-Thou Shalt not kill. 7-Thou Shalt not commit Adultery. 8-Thou Shalt not steal. 9-Thou Shalt not bear false witness. 10-Thou Shalt not Covet. OBEY GOD.
---catherine on 6/10/07


It is true God gave them that law for which they were so zealous. Their zeal was not according to knowledge. They shut their eyes against the clear light, so that their zeal for the law was blind. They were under the law [Justification by Works made right with God]. Which never works. [In true faith, there is need of a great deal of submission]. These people thought they needed not to be beholden to the merit of Christ. Ignorance of God's righteousness, and a proud conceit of their own righteousness.
---catherine on 5/24/07


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John-Dt9:10confuses me.Some hold 10C in highest esteem cuz written by God on stone.They think all Law is under 10C.BUT,Bible DOESN'T say that!& by Dt.9:10,why hold 10C above status of rest He wrote on stone?I know angels also gave Law to Moses,Gal.3:19.Moses wrote more later?I think Ashley says well *it is the word of God&should never be taken lightly or corrupted by man*&I think she meant regardless of how it's recorded.Afterall,we can't see those stone tablets now.We're relying on God thru each other.
---Sheila on 5/23/07


Lee, I love the way you word things.
---catherine on 5/22/07


Lee, I love the way you word things.
---catherine on 5/22/07


catherine - *Whosoever shall break one of the least commandments of the law of Moses he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven.*

And it is not wonderful that the Christian is only under the law of Christ (1 Cor. 9:21; Gal 6;2) not under the law of Moses?

Romans 6:14 - we are not under the law but under grace.

And is it not wonderful that our eternal salvation is in Christ; not in the law as salvation is a gift one receives by grace & not by works of the law? Eph. 2:8-10.
---lee on 5/22/07


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Lee: It is the Ministry of Death for those who break them. The Sacrificial Ordinances were the escape provided. All who by faith believed in the atoning blood of the sacrifical lamb obtained Grace. Today we have Grace by Faith in a more excellent Sacrifice.
---TS on 5/22/07


"Whosoever shall break one of the least commandments of the law of Moses he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. Whosoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. >>>It is a dangerous thing, in doctrine or practice to disannual the least of God's commands. It is bad enough to break one, but it is much worse to teach men to do so. >>>WOW!
---catherine on 5/12/07


Was the contents of the Ark more important than the other things God dedicated to Moses?

And why does 2 Cor. 3:7 refer to that law placed within the Ark as 'that ministry of death written on stone'?

Of course, the answer is that 'the ministry of the Spirit' had superceded it.(3:8)

God relates to His creation in terms of covenants and the old covenant is no longer applicable to the Christian; particularly if what is in the OC is not also in the New.
---lee on 5/10/07


OT: Deu31:26 "Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE of the ARK of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness AGAINST THEE."

NT: Col2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ORDINANCES that was AGAINST US, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.
---TS on 5/9/07


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I do not see what all the confusion is over. The ten commandments were written by the finger of God himself on the tablets as Moses watched. He then told Moses what to write to teach his people, the same way God told Abraham what to write, Peter, James, Paul. it is the word of God and should never be taken lightly or corrupted by man. people dictate to secretaries and it is written in the same way as someone saying it directly. We are mere vessels to convey what God says for our benefit.
---ashley on 5/9/07


Paul made it very clear about what we as New Testament Christians should not do. "Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written. We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did. We should not test the Lord, as some of them did--and were killed by snakes". [1 Corinthians 10:7 10].
---catherine on 5/9/07


Thanks Ashley. But how do we deal with Deut.9:10 which does not say that only the ten were wriiten on stone but everything God told Moses?
---john on 5/9/07


The ten commandments were written by the finger of God on stone tablets. Moses also wrote everything God showed him on the mountain in the book of Moses, to be held sacred from that time forward. To tell everyone truths of God that could not be disputed by scholars, scribes or anyone wanting to corrupt Gods words. The tablets were placed in the ark of the covenant and carried by the children of Israel. The scroll was also carried to teach everyone truths of God. That should answer your question.
---ashley on 5/8/07


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I'm a little confused. Deut.9:10 says that everything that God spoke to Moses on the mountain was written by God's finger on the two tablets that Moses came down with. Maybe Moses made a translation of the ceremonial laws and put them in a book. It seems God put everything He said on the two tablets.
---john on 5/8/07


I think I know the answer. It is because the Ten Commandments are central to the Law. They are a part of the Law and are expounded upon in the Law. In other words, the Law revolves around the Ten Commandments.
---Helen_5378 on 5/8/07


It signifies that the Ten Commandments written by the hands of God is Superior to the Ceremonial Laws written by Moses.
---Linda on 5/8/07


Because the Decalogue was first written on tablets of stone, and then the rest of the Torah on a scroll.

No more significance than that, though I have the distinct feeling you're tring to make something of it.
---Jack on 5/8/07


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