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Did Jesus Die For All

First John 2:2,"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." Does this verse mean that the Lord Jesus Christ paid for all people's sins, even those who will not accept that payment?

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I will tell you what the scripture means. It is for all past, present, and for all who shall hereafter come to God through Jesus Christ. The extent and intent of the Mediators death reach to all tribes, nations, and countries. These scriptures referring to the whole world does not mean all people will be saved. Most won't be saved because people loves sin more than righteousness, lovers of themselves more than lovers of God. And that is just the way it is!
---catherine on 7/23/07


Jesus came & died for all sinners.
---Lisa on 7/23/07


yes just because someone is foolish enough
not to except the free gift that jesus offers doesn't mean that some day if they chose to they can't. but james warns us that we don't no what will be on the morrow
so i advise people take the gift of life it's free m..love
---mae on 7/22/07


"It's up to us to receive it or not."

Jn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him..

Jesus doesn't seem to think it is up to us.
---a_servant on 7/21/07


Jesus has done the work. It's up to us to receive it or not.
---aj7477 on 7/21/07




Duanne is right. Jesus died for ALL mankind. Although some will not accept, the percentage of it that would not be wasted because of those who accept makes it worth it. The compromise is necessary.
---OK on 7/20/07


Jesus' death is sufficient "payment" for the world, however . . .

Mt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and you shall call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jn 18:9 ..Of them which you gave me have I lost none.


Jn 8:44 You are of your father the devil

Many people are not Christ's.
---a_servant on 7/20/07


YES, Jesus died for all mankind...
---duane on 7/20/07


Yes He paid for all. No those who do not accept & acknowledge that payment are debtor to the law & will die as a result. "I AM sought of them that asked not for me, I AM found of them that sought me not. I said, Behold Me, unto a nation that was not called by my name. I have spread out my hands all the day long unto a rebellious people, which walks in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts." Those who refuse His Grace "They shall be as though they had not been".
---joseph on 7/20/07


Tom

My last post to you didnt make it. Maybe the moderators thought that I said something I shouldent have said. Either way, thanks for the advice, God bless brother.
---Billy on 6/22/07




Catherine, if that is the scripture you quoted then the statement you said before
"save those who believes the foolish message of the cross." must of been sarcasm right? The passage says those who perish see Calvalry as foolishness. It doesn't mean Calvary is foolishess. Truly I don't believe you think the Cross is foolishness so I assumed you were using sarcasm. That's why I said someone must not know you very well if they think you meant it was foolishness(you meant something else).
---Matthewm on 6/22/07


I was a little offended when you said I don't know you that well. The reason I said what i said to Billy is because I know you don't think Jesus' death on the Cross is foolishness. I was trying to let Billy know that wasn't what you meant. You probably meant to others it is foolishness(what I look at as sarcasm).
---Matthew on 6/22/07


Matthew

If Catherine made a misprint this would be the second or third time shes done it. Shes made that statement before. I dont see sarcasm either. I believe that she is misquoting the scripture. If this is the case, even I would be grateful for someone pointing it out to me. God bless.
---Billy on 6/22/07


Well, Billy amd Matthew you do not know catherine not even a little. That scripture is scripture..
---catherine on 6/22/07


Billy if you knew Catherine, even a little, you would know she either made a misprint or was being sarcastic.
---Matthew on 6/22/07


Catherine

1Cor 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

If you think that the message of the cross is foolishness, are you saying that you are of them that perish? Gods people dont call the cross foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God, not foolishness. God bless
---Billy on 6/21/07


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Billy, don't pay attention to Eloy. He forgets it is the Holy Spirit who brings light to Scripture, and Eloy is not the Holy Spirit. He talk's to show authority, but its just talk. If there is a flicker of light in there some place, it must be seen with a microcope.
---Tom on 6/21/07


1/ Rebecca

You need to study a little more. Is 1Cor 15:22 the only scripture that I gave you that you can try to explane. The all that die in Adam is everyone thats born in the flesh, the all that will be made alive in Christ is the same all that die in Adam.
---Billy on 6/21/07


2/ Rebecca

The creature itself will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God "Rom 8:21". The groanings of the prisoners that are appointed to death will be set free "Psa 102:18-20, Rom 8:21-22". Your looking at scripture by the teachings of men, Let God be your guide Rebecca, God bless.
---Billy on 6/21/07


Billy; those verses don't contredict eachother. The people that die in Christ shall live with Christ forevermore. Those that die without Christ won't be with him. For Example 1 Cor 15:22, it says for as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. All means the ones that endure til the end with Christ. Everyone will confess that Jesus is Lord, but that doesn't mean that they will be in heaven. In hell is where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched. Mk 9:46-50. You need to study.
---Rebecca_D on 6/21/07


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catherine said:**God decided before the creation of the world to only save those who believes the foolish message of the cross.**
FOOLISH....I sure hope you ment something else catherine.
---JIM on 6/21/07


There is no universal Salvation. Jesus died for His people's sins. God has never intended to save the world. Heaven is for holy people, only. People are becoming more wicked everyday. God decided before the creation of the world to only save those who believes the foolish message of the cross. Most don't. And after you get saved you must obey God and you must live the life. Does this sound like everyone is going to be saved? Dream on!
---catherine on 6/20/07


I thought everyone knew Christ died for all.
That means all mankind.
Just as Adams sin made us all sinners, Christs death forgave us all our sins.
---duane on 6/20/07


Mark

Ive gotten you a post out on the "Was Hitler Born Innocent" Bolg to try to make my question to you a little clearer. Check it out and let me know if this helps you understand the question better. God bless
---Billy on 6/20/07


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John, I do admit that Christ's sacrafice is sufficient to pay the debt of everyone if everyone believed, but not all believed so their payment has not been paid for. If Christ had paid the payment for everyone, then everyone would not owe anything so everyone would be counted as have been made righteous with God through Christ' righteousness, there would be no hell, and everyone would be saved as Billy says, but Hell is very much real.
---mark on 6/20/07


.billy, preaching is not pride, but odedience to the Commandment. And your attempt to shame a preacher of God is just ignorance upon your part.
---Eloy on 6/20/07


Eloy

Your pride and assurety that you stand is your downfall. Pride comes before the fall. I pray for you brother. God bless
---Billy on 6/19/07


,billy, I have no shame, nor are you able to give me any shame. The truth is all whom are outside of Christ are shamed and also condemned. Most people are of Satan whom is their father, and they are not of Christ. And your words also bear witness that you also are not yet of Christ, for if you were of Christ then you would receive my words and the words of the saints.
---Eloy on 6/17/07


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Mark

Yes Christ paid the debt for our sins so that he could live his life through us, and that sin can be overcome and judged in our life, through Christ. Dont think that our sins wont go unpunished. If God wont count our sins against us, then there is no need for God to chasen his children, God does judge and chasen his children. Gods judgments will do the same in the lake of fire. God bless
---Billy on 6/17/07


Rebecca D

Lamentations 3:31-32, Ps 90:3, Job 5:17-19, Ps 102:18-20, Isa 45:22, Ps 66:3-4, Isa 25:6-8, Isa 26:9, Ezk 16:55, --NT-- 1John 4:14, 1Tim 2:6, Joh 12:32, 1Cor 15:22, Phil 2:9-11, Rom 8:19-21, Mar 9:49, Act 3:20-21.

Rebecca, why would you think that these scriptures contredict the scriptures that you gave? If you dont see that they contredict, please explane why. God bless
---Billy on 6/17/07


Mark. As you said, Christ's sacrifice was sufficient payment for all sin of all people. So even you have stated that he died for all the world. When I was little, our city paid the bill for all males to have a haircut. When it was all over there were still guys with long hair. Not everyone wanted to go to the barber even though it was paid.
Same as Jesus, paid for everyone, but not everyone will come.
---john on 6/17/07


If Christ died for all mankind, then all of mankind debt is paid for. And all will come to Christ, and no one will be going to hell since God is just and would not count it against them. Since we know not all come to Christ, the message is not talking about all mankind. Only the one's that believe by faith or the recipients of God's sacrafice. Christ Sacrafice is sufficient to take care of all mankind, but not all will believe.
---mark on 6/17/07


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#2. The passage in John 2:2, is speaking about "we" the believers. Not about all mankind. For we read in chapter 1:1-4 "That which was from the beginning, which "we" have heard, which "we" have seen with our eyes, which "we" have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of Life-the life was manifested, and "we" have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life (Jesus Christ)
---mark on 6/17/07


#3. Which was with the Father and was manifested to us, that which "we" have seen and heard "we" declared to you that you also may have fellowship with "us" and truly your fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ."<
---mark on 6/17/07


Absolutely NO! This scripture is referring to past, present,and future, Believers. Now people need to realize that Jesus knew before the world was created who would be chosen. There are alots of Ifs and Butts to Salvation. If you obey my Commandments is one. If you endure to the end is another one. I do not know where people ever got the idea that God is going to save everybody. Only a few will find the narrow road that leads to heaven. is also a good one. False preachers has got to go.
---catherine on 6/17/07


No Jesus died for many not all. Mark 14:24

Christ died to give us the ability to come to life but not all will come.
---leo on 6/17/07


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Jesus died and paid the penalty for all mankind, but it is all dependent upon whether or not you accept what Christ did for you on that Cross. Only those who believe on Jesus Christ and His death, burial and resurrection and confess it with their mouth witll be saved. Jesus is the only door there is that will open a way to heaven. Jesus made the way possible for all mankind, but not all mankind will choose to go thru that narrow gate.
---Debbie_Jo on 6/16/07


Billy: God warns the sinners if they don't take heed to his word. They will have everlasting contempt, Daniel 12:2. Everlasting destruction Ps 52:5, 97:2, 2 Thess 1:9. Everlasting fire Mt 25:41, Jude 1:7. Eternal damnation Mk 3:9. Everlasting burnings Is 33:14. Tormented forever and ever Rev 14:11. Not all will be saved. Mt 10:22.
---Rebecca_D on 6/16/07


1/ Eloy

Shame on you Eloy! If you dont see Christ your brother in everyone you meet, including those you dont consider believers, you reject Christ. Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? [38] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? [39] Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
---Billy on 6/16/07


2/ Eloy

[40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

If these people were believers, the righteous would have had know problem seeing how these things were done unto there Lord. But we are to do good to all men, as unto the Lord. If you dont see me as the least of these my brethren, you have just rejected Christ. God bless brother.
---Billy on 6/16/07


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.billy, If you desire to know the truth, then stop dissing it whenever I or another preacher preaches it. Jesus says, If you love me, my Commandments keep. And until then, you cannot be my brother.
---Eloy on 6/16/07


Eloy

My desire is to know the truth no matter what shame the truth may bring, God bless brother
---Billy on 6/15/07


.billy, you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 6/15/07


That scripture refers to the entire world(all people).After that happened, the world has the choice to follow Him.He died for everyone's sins. We choose heaven or hell. We choose to serve Him(Jesus) or Lucifer.When you get born again, this is a choice you are making to follow Christ, not being forced to follow him. Christ send no one to Hell. We make these choices on our own.
---Robyn on 6/14/07


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The only way you will see God is when the Person of the Holy Spirit pays you a visit and offers you Salvation by letting you know that you will die and go to Hell if you do not repent. So what do you do? Well, first of all, It's the working of the Person of the Holy Spirit in you. You call out to God to save me, Because I do not want to die and go to Hell. I believe you are the Son of God and that you rosed from the dead, Save me. I will live my life for you.
---catherine on 6/14/07


I believe that Jesus paid for everyone's sins, but it is up to each individual person to accept that sacrifice for themselves and receive Him as Lord and Savior.
---maryj9396 on 6/14/07


Yes Jesus died for ALL of our sins.But in order to get to heaven you must repent and be Baptist.Have you ever watched a lost soul die.I have,the nurses had to hang a blanket up over the mirror because my ex-husband saw monsters coming out the mirror.My sister passed away,it was peaceful she saw turkeys,deers etc.There is a hell,and if you don't accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior,that's where you'll go. donna3594
---Donna3594 on 6/14/07


As I understand it, Yes, but not all will go to Heaven,but he paid the price anyhow.
---candice on 6/14/07


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Eloy

I love you brother, but the whole of scripture fails to agree with eternal punishment. Answer me this question. If Gods judgements are righteous and true, can a man sow an eternity of sin to reap an eternity of punishment. If you can show me this by the scriptures, ill agree with you, God bless
---Billy on 6/14/07


Absolutely NO, NO! Believers have their sins. There are some who, though they really sin, yet in comparison with others, are said not to sin. This gives us Believers support. We, Believers, have an advocate. It is His Person Jesus Christ. This Salvation is for all>>>Who shall come to God through JESUS CHRIST.
---catherine on 6/14/07


.billy, but you are not speaking the truth. There is no cleansing in hell, on the contrary it is eternal punishment and torment for their sins, and once a person is sent there there is never ever any escape. God gives man an average lifespan of 70 years to repent and live for him, but if a soul refuses and dies in their sins they are forever damned- not cleansed nor purged, but completely condemned for eternity.
---Eloy on 6/14/07


.billy, Don't be sorry, just repent and get right with Jesus. BTW, I do not interpret scripture, instead I literally translate the scripture word for word. There are much too many interpretations flying around already, and people need to discard all of them and get back to the literal Word of God. Clean house, dump all your books, and dig into the pure unadulterated Word of God. Feed on the Holy Bible, enrich your soul, and get to know the Lord from his words, and not from someone elses words.
---Eloy on 6/14/07


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Mt 1:21 ...JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jesus' death was legally sufficient to pay for all sins from every man, woman & child ever born. Yet, His assigned task was to save those chosen and elected of God.

Jn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
---a_servant on 6/13/07


Eloy

You havent been reading what ive been saying. Sinners are cleansed by firey judgement. we in this life and the rest in the lake of fire. Where have I said that sin or unrepentant sinners enter heaven? If I say that the sinner and ungodly will make it to heaven before the religious leaders of the day, im saying that these sinners and ungodly men have been purified from there sin to enter God kingdom. Please take your time and readwhat ive written. God bless
---Billy on 6/13/07


.billy, I translate the original scriptures into English, and eternal damnation is truth and written in both testaments, in the Hebrew and in the Greek. But if you desire to believe that sinners enter into heaven, then you are sorely deluded. God will not allow any sin into heaven, else heaven become violence as is the wicked upon the earth. Wake up billy! There's consequences for sin, it is not Paradise, and be sure your sin will find you out.
---Eloy on 6/12/07


Sorry Eloy, but your interpretation of scripture is incorrect. You are still believing that our English Bibles are correctly translated from the original Greek and Hebrew. As long as you put your trust in these translations, you will never see the truth in scripture. If your heart cannot be changed to see these truths, this is where God has you to be in His sovereign plan. God bless.
---Billy on 6/12/07


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.billy, now you are speaking more falsehood. God is NOT sending all to heaven, for he also made a very real and literal everlasting firey hell. Please read the Holy Bible on the two different eternal destinations: one is heaven called Paradise, and the other is hell called the Abyss.
---Eloy on 6/12/07


Eloy

Of course God punishes those that reject him, to say other wise denies Gods judgements. But where you miss the truth in scripture is that through His judgements God will cause all his creation to turn to Him and be saved. God bless
---Billy on 6/12/07


.billy, on the contrary, what I say is 100% Biblical. All whom refuse Christ, Christ will also refuse them in front of the Father and in front of all the holy angels. Please Read- Matthew 10:32,33; Luke 12:8,9; Revelation 14:9-11.
---Eloy on 6/11/07


Jesus died for all of us the just and the unjust! He has no respectful person. He died for all nationality of persons.
---Cheryle on 6/11/07


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Eloy

You are so predictable. Perfect Orthodox Christian answer. OOO to strip Christ of the ability to save the worst of sinners, because of mans ability to chose to serve or not serve Christ. Completely unscriptural
---Billy on 6/11/07


No. Christ died "for all" in the sense of "no repecter of persons", meaning, "the rich and the poor, the Jew and the Greek, the man and the women, he sacrificed himself for all flesh"; but not all flesh will receive him, therefore his sacrifice is 100% worthless to any soul which refuses his sacrifice for them. And only those whom accept his atoning sacrifice will obtain all the unspeakable benefits which come with his sacrifice.
---Eloy on 6/11/07


lit. Gk: "My little children, I write this to you that you all not sin. Though if somebody sin, a Counsellor we have by whom Father, righteous Jesus Christ; and he the appeasement being yours for sin, except not for ours only, but even for all the world." I John 2:1,2.
---Eloy on 6/11/07


1/ Mima

Yes Jesus paid the price for all sins, including those that dont serve him. Christianity will say that one must ask for there sins to be forgiven before Jesus can propitiate there sins, but this isnt what this scripture says. Definition, (propitiation, This means the turning away of wrath by an offering.) This is a concept that is no longer popular within the church, and some have gone so far as to eliminate the concept from their basic theology.
---Billy on 6/10/07


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2/ Mima

This idea "for most christians" that God's wrath being "turned away" or "appeased", to the point of God being satisfied, for the well-being of all humanity, stinks in there nostrials. In due time, 1John 2:2 will be a prophecy that has been 100% fulfilled, and all sin will be appeased and every creature will rejoice in being the children of the living God. God bless
---Billy on 6/10/07


The Bible is true, Jesus died for all mankind, every man, woman and child on earth. All one needs to receive that gift is to accept Jesus and your slate is wiped clean through the Baptism of Repentance.
---lorra8574 on 6/10/07


And Ryan, God decided before the Creation of the world to save ONLY those people who believed the foolish message of the cross. Ofcourse, if you go to other scriptures we know that true Salvation involves more than just believing. The world does, in this context, in the word of God, means, Jews and Gentiles. Good job.
---catherine on 6/10/07


Do a search on the word "world." It is generally used to refer to all kinds of people (Jews and Gentiles). Plus, think of this: If Jesus payed for every individual's sin, then that means either 1) every single individual will go to heaven or 2) God will penalize people for debts already paid for (double jeopardy).
---Ryan on 6/9/07


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"Kosmos" is used of the Universe as a whole: Acts 17:24"God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth.""Kosmos" is used of the earth: John 13:1 Eph 1:4, etc. Kosmos" is used of the world system:John12:31"Kosmos" is used of Gentiles in contrast from Jews: Rom. 11:12 etc. 12:31 etc. "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the Prince of this world be cast out" compare Matt. 4:8 and 1 John 5:19,ETC.
---rem7000 on 5/15/07


Yes.
And let's not forget that in The Good Samaratin it is the Pagan who shows compassion to the beggar in the ditch - not the man of faith. The man of faith walks on by.
I don't know about rest of you: I never fail to be amazed by the divine love "non-believers" can demonstrate. Of course we must all believe in Jesus. But Jesus is present in all. And we hope and pray and try and bring faith to non-believers. And Love - equally - non-believer as well as believer.
---Ed on 5/14/07


No 1000xNO as in Noah's day all (the whole world) were judged save 8 did Christ propitiate for them? No.. 1Samuel 15:3 did Christ propitiate for the Amalekites? No.. God commanded Saul to destroy them ALL "man, woman, infants and nursing children, ox sheep camel and donkey" His name shall be called Jesus and SHALL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS every last one of them.
---steven on 5/14/07


Yes, it directly shows that Jesus DID pay for all people's sins, even those who won't accept that payment. Let me reword that: Jesus granted access to God's kingdom to all sinners, by His costly sacrifice, including those who wouldn't come in and take advantage of it. Those who come in are Christ's reward, thos who don't are his lost sheep...but still the sacrifice is worth it for the millions who do come in.
---Okebaram on 5/14/07


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Hi Mima, I can see not many have been called, at least yet or will be by their response; that's God's business, though those of the faith are called to be ambassadors.key words: propitiation;-divine satisfaction to God's law and justice; whom did He sacrifice Himself 4. world,kosmos;-Jn.17:6 and then 9 Christ prays not for the world read all of Jn. 17 the ONLY people Rev.5:8-10 that is the world out of Jews & Gentiles
---steven on 5/14/07


Yes it does.
---donna on 5/14/07


Yes, Jesus died for all sin, past, present and future. Not just past sins as some believe.
While we were still enemies of God, He forgave us all.
---duane on 5/14/07


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