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Romans 7:14-15 " For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, " Paul says this 14 years after his conversion. Comments?

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lit.Gk: pt.1: "I delight yet the law of God according to the inner man, seeing then another law at the members of me strategizing against the law of the mind of me, leading me away captive that law which sin, that from being at the members of me. I, heavy tried man, somebody rescue me from the body whos of this death:" Romans 7:22-24.
---Eloy on 5/22/08


pt.2: "I thank God by Jesus Christ whos Lord of us. Therefore then I myself that truly determined serves Gods law, though that flesh sins law. Therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 7:25+ 8:1,2.
---Eloy on 5/22/08


.john, After Saint Paul's conversion, he did not have the problem you are having. When Paul was antiChrist and persecuted the Church he was under the power of sin and thinking he was doing God's will. This is when he had sin in his self, but after his conversion he had no sin in himself, but he had only the righteousness of Christ: for he was repented from sin and now he served Christ his Lord God, and not sin.
---Eloy on 5/17/08


Romans 7:1 through 8:17 should be kept together as one context, or in the very least Romans 7:1 through 8:2.
---Eloy on 5/17/08


part 1: lit.Gk: "For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sins, which were aroused by the law, did work in our members to bring forward fruit to death. But now we are delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not the oldness of the letter." Romans 7:5,6.
---Eloy on 5/17/08




pt.2: "But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, worked in me all manner of lust. For without law, sin dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which to life, I found to death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and slew by it." Romans 7:8-11.
---Eloy on 5/17/08


pt.3: "For we know that the law stands spiritual when I be like fleshly, having been sold under that sin, that truly then by work I not understand: for that I desire not, this I practice, yet that I hate, this I do. Pretend then I do that which I should not, I confess that the law right. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me:" Romans 7:14-17
---Eloy on 5/17/08


pt.4: "truly then I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwells no good thing: for to will is present with me, but to perform that which is good I find not: for the good that I want to do I do not, but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now pretend I do what I should not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me. I find then a law when I should do good, that to me evil is present." Romans 7:18-21.
---Eloy on 5/17/08


pt.5: "Therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 8:1,2.
---Eloy on 5/17/08


As you can see from the literal Greek which I have posted, that Saint Paul was not a sinner after his conversion, and that many sin-supporters today wrongly misinterpret Romans 7:14-25 in order to vainly justify their sin.
---Eloy on 5/17/08




In right context, Paul compares his life before and after conversion, saying: "when we were in the flesh...But now we are delivered...but sin worked in me...I died...it slew me...IF then I do that which I should not...Now IF I do what I should not. Therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 7:5,6,8,9,11,16,20+ 8:1,2.
---Eloy on 5/16/08


Paul is speaking in "past" tense, that when he was unsaved he was prone to sin: vss 5= when we "were" in the flesh, 6= but "now we are" delivered, 8= worked, 9= died, 11= slew, Supposition 16= "If" then I do that which I should not, I confess that the law right, Supposition 20= Now "if" I do that I should not, Now after Paul got saved and is a Christian convert, he continues ch.8:2= For the law of Christ "has" made me free from the law of sin.
---Eloy on 5/16/08


In right context, Paul compares his life before and after conversion, saying: "when we were in the flesh...But now we are delivered...but sin worked in me...I died...it slew me...IF then I do that which I should not...Now IF I do what I should not. Therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 7:5,6,8,9,11,16,20+ 8:1,2.
---Eloy on 5/16/08


"For WHEN WE WERE in the flesh, the passions of sins, which were aroused by the law, did work in our members to bring forward fruit onto death. BUT NOW WE ARE DELIVERED from the law, that being dead wherein we were held, that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not the oldness of the letter." Romans 7:5,6.
---Eloy on 5/16/08


My comment is simple. I have a problem with the flesh being against my born again spirit. The result is that there is a battle and I not only do some things my spirit is against but I don't do some things my spirit is promting me to do. I'm relieved to see Paul identified with us in this problem we have.
---john on 5/15/08


#1 I would like to add, even though this is not the OSAS blog, that the explanation of the two "I's" is also the reason we can't lose our salvation. The two "I's" are totally separate from each other, even though they reside in the same body. One is incorruptible and the other corruptible. One is pure and holy and the other is totally evil. One will inherit the Kingdom of God, one will will not, it will go back to dust.
---Debbie_Jo on 6/26/07


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#2 One is the second Adam, Christ from Heaven and the other is the first Adam, of whom we inherited our sinful nature. I Cor 15:45-49. One cannot sin and the other can do nothing but sin. We are saved in the pure and holy One and dead in the other because he was crucified with Christ on the Cross, we just need to reckon it dead in our life and walk with Christ. Gal. 2:20.
---Debbie_Jo on 6/26/07


#3 It is the grace of God that keeps us even when we are not walking in the Spirit, even when we are fulfilling the lusts of the flesh, for you see, God looks on the New Creation life in us, He looks upon His Son, Jesus Christ, who paid the penalty so we could be free from death, hell and the grave. We don't have to understand God's grace to receive it and believe it.
---Debbie_Jo on 6/26/07


Debbie Jo, that was excellent.

Duane, we are indeed dead unto sin but don't forget that we are alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. There is a two-fold truth there. If only dead unto sin, there is no life. And all of it through Jesus Christ our Lord and no other way.
---Linda on 6/25/07


A true Christian is dead to sin, sin has no power.
---duane on 6/25/07


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#1 There are two "I's" in this passage of Scripture and there are two "nature's" also.
"For we know that the law(or rule of Gal.6:16, the rule or law of the New Creation) is spiritual: but I am carnal ( I Cor. 3:1-3; that is what a Christian is after they are saved if they are operating out of the flesh instead of the spirit), sold under sin (the flesh, the old nature we were born with, is sold under sin, it will never get any better).
---Debbie_Jo on 6/25/07


#2 For that which "I" do(old man "I"), "I" ( New Creation "I") allow not: for what "I" would (New Creation "I"), that do "I" not (old nature "I"): but what "I" hate (New Creation "I", it hates everything evil), that do "I" (old nature "I", it will do any evil thing if given a opportunity;it hates everything of God).
---Debbie_Jo on 6/25/07


#3 The two "I's" can never be reconciled, that is why we are instructed to reckon the old man dead.
---Debbie_Jo on 6/25/07


Sin is fixed to our flesh with chains. Can we overcome? Yes, -By faith, belief in our Saviour who is our Deliverer from sin. Sin has a dominion on us as long as we live. And yes we have it, the idea is to not let it reign(to excercise the highest influence,-be king)and run the show, which is the possessor of supreme governance in our life.
---jhonny on 6/25/07


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Catherine good emphasis on "sincerely". The question is who's in charge? Ecc 7:26 And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart [is] snares and nets, [and] her hands [as] bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.
---jhonny on 6/25/07


Right Mary, It is a struggle; -how we overcome. 1 John 5:5 "Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?" Luk 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance." Repent in belief. Mar 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things [are] possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
---jhonny on 6/25/07


As long as we are in this flesh and blood body we will always struggle with sin, no matter how long we have been saved. I really think that is the heart of Paul's words here.
---maryj9396 on 6/22/07


The aggravation of unbeliever's sin, the sin of unbelief. He must believe that God did not send His Son into the world, or that Jesus Christ was not the Son of God. How does one come about in believing? Well, it's not going to happen on your own. It is only available through Jesus Christ and The Person of the Holy Spirit. [One of the same.] [BLOOD] Once we have and know these things then we must persevere or none of these things will do us no good. +++
---catherine on 6/22/07


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Yes jhonny, We, God's people, Need some good news, However, the key word is sincerely.
---catherine on 6/21/07


Catherine.. Thanks really like your two posts here. Especially this part. "That which we do sincerely strive against, shall not be laid to our charge. And through grace the victory is sure at last. Blessed be God that giveth us this victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!"
---jhonny on 6/20/07


It seems rather to be understood of the struggles that are maintained between grace and corruption in Sanctified souls. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves. That true grace strives against these sins and corruptions is likewise certain. [Gal.] Good news>>>That which we do sincerely strive against, shall not be laid to our charge. And through grace the victory is sure at last. Blessed be God that giveth us this victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!
---catherine on 6/18/07


Cont.... Blessed be God that giveth us this victory through our Lord Jesus Christ! The remainders of indwelling sin are a very grievous burdin to a gracious soul. All that are born-again do truly delight in the law of God, never better pleased than when heart and life are in the strictest conformity to the law and will of God. If it were not for Christ, this iniquity that dwells in us would certainly be our ruin. It is Christ that has purchased deliverance for us in due time.
---catherine on 6/18/07


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Rom 7:13 "Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful."KJV
Rom 7:11 "For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death."MIV
Someone understand this scripture?
Rom 7:17 "As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me."
---jhonny on 6/17/07


We will always sin to one degree or another. We will not reach perfection until we are glorified in Heaven. We will no longer be in our flesh bodies. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. The flesh is very weak and sinful. We are save by grace. I am so glad about that.Grace saved us and its going to take grace to keep us. There is nothing else.
---Robyn on 6/17/07


These are a list of the effects of SIN: The loss of light. The loss of joy. The loss of peace. The loss of love. The loss of fellowship. The loss of confidence. The possible loss of health and even physical life.
---catherine on 6/17/07


Ashley::Jesus said the ways of God are different than the ways of Men.I am not in a poition to out guess God but YOUR statement that Satan says "eat drink & be merry" is found in what satanic Book Pray?Where did the saying come from "To err is Human To Forgive DIVINE"
---Emcee on 5/27/07


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Ashley, I disagree with you at one point. It depends on what type of sin it is. In regards to "sinning no more". People will have a more difficult time with certain sins than they will with others. Especially the sins of the thought life. There are sins that I've personally have had "victory" over and then there are those with which I've struggled for years. And then those that are "in-between". Am I the only one here with this?
---Gordon on 5/27/07


Emcee: as usual you missed the whole point of what I had written. no shocker there. if you believe that you can keep committing the same sins over and over again in open rebellion and think you are forgiven each time, you deceive yourself and the truth is not in you. Jesus said go and sin NO more. No more means exactly that. you are forgiven only after you never commit that sin again. satan says eat drink and be merry. sin all you like, Jesus forgives you. it is ironic the scriptures teach the opposite.
---ashley on 5/26/07


Duane::Tomorrow is Pentacost Sunday .Are you of the flesh Or are you of the spirit.Read Pauls letter to the romans8:8-17 Hope it helps .
---Emcee on 5/26/07


Emcee,
Jesus set us free from the bondage of sin.
He came for a purpose...to set us free.
While we were yet enemies and sinners, We were reconciled to God. Not counting mens sins against them.
The wages of sin is death, now we can have life.
Believe on HIM and we can have life.
---duane on 5/26/07


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Ashley::To err is human to forgive Divine You cannot equate God with a boss.Yes Jesus does forgive sin time & time againbecause he understands Human Fraility.Let me give you a quote
Watch your thoughts they turn to words'
Watch your words they turn to desire
watch your desire they turn to action
watch your actions they turn to Character
Watch your Character it determines Your destiny.
---Emcee on 5/26/07


Emcee: it is usually the people that are openly sinning against God that try to ease their guilt by saying all sin is taken from us and doesn't exist. Jesus only forgives those who repent and never commit that sin again. if you steal from your work, do you think your boss would keep forgiving you if you kept stealing. No you would be cast out. If you said sorry and proved every day to be honest, your boss might forgive you. the Savior is the same way. He forgives those who repent and never do it again.
---ashley on 5/25/07


Growing in God's grace is a progressive thing. No one has arrived. Just because we put the flesh down one time does not mean that it does not try to rear it's ugly head again. We have to walk in the spirit and not make provisions for the flesh. It is a daily walk a daily exercise in submitting ourself to God... so that we can keep the flesh under.
---Tsuanne on 5/25/07


In Faith & truth did Jesus being God, come to us in the Form of Man as a human to show us how to handle Satan & sin who is the perpetrator of this malady,& human desire.He conquered sin as a MAN.Do we follow him or take the easy road described by the arch deciever Faith will set you free !If so why did Jesus leave us books Words His exploits on how to deal with situations.
---Emcee on 5/25/07


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Paul is saying even though He now lives under grace he still has a corrupt nature. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves. Paul was complaining about, the remainder of indwelling corruptions. There is a war going on in us, to do right or to do evil. Paul was always pressing toward perfection , yet he understood that he had not reached perfection. O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? Paul speaks like one that was sick of it.
---catherine on 5/25/07


"1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin."

That phrase "take away" is G142 and means:

G142
αἴρω
airō
Thayer Definition:
1) to raise up, elevate, lift up
1a) to raise from the ground, take up: stones
---Linda on 5/25/07


1b) to raise upwards, elevate, lift up: the hand
1c) to draw up: a fish
2) to take upon ones self and carry what has been raised up, to bear
3) to bear away what has been raised, carry off
3a) to move from its place
3b) to take off or away what is attached to anything
---Linda on 5/25/07


3c) to remove
3d) to carry off, carry away with one
3e) to appropriate what is taken
3f) to take away from another what is his or what is committed to him, to take by force
3g) to take and apply to any use
3h) to take from among the living, either by a natural death, or by violence
3i) cause to cease
---Linda on 5/25/07


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The reason people harp on sin is because they have been trained to. We are to exhalt the person and work of Christ and declare Him as the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world. We are to hold the death of Christ in full view of the people until they all pass over in the eyes the understanding. How much plainer do you need it?
---Linda on 5/25/07


According to the greek definition, sin was raised up from the ground and elevated (that's the cross...John 12:31-33). Then what was raised up was taken and carried off by the One who became sin (sounds a lot like the fulfillment of the scapegoat). What was then carried off was taken from among the living and caused to cease. That sounds like redemption and salvation to the uttermost to me.
---Linda on 5/25/07


Emcee,
I agree, WHY? are Christians obsessed with preaching about sin to each other. Jesus set us free from sin. We should glory in that.
The gates of heaven were closed before Christs death. Jesus had to take sin away.
Now sin has no power to keep the gates closed.

---duane on 5/25/07


If Jesus TOOK AWAY SIN then why do we HARP on sin all the time? Those who call themselves Christians need to analyse this statement because they claim that by FAITH THEY ARE SAVED.Is this a misnomer?If so why were the Gates of Heaven closed prior to the coming of Christ.?
Only truthful,& sensible answers please.
---Emcee on 5/25/07


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Alan,
Jesus was not made a sinner, He BECAME sin so God could punish sin through Christ. He paid the wages of sin. He took sin away.
God treated as sin, the one who knew no sin.
(He became the representative sin bearer for the whole world.)
---duane on 5/25/07


AlanofUK - 2Corinthians 5:21 says "For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." Jesus became our sin bearer and the perfect sin offering for us.
---Helen_5378 on 5/24/07


Alan, 2 Corinthians 5:21 says that He who knew no sin was made to BE SIN for us. Unless He had become who we were in Adam and died the death that was owed, we would still owe something. The biggest mistake the church makes is viewing the death of Jesus as the death of just one man. His death was the death of all men.
---Linda on 5/24/07


Linda,
Dont be afraid to speak the truth...Your an encouragement to many.
---duane on 5/24/07


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Duane ... "Jesus became sin for them"
????
Sin is evil .. Jesus became evil?
Can you explain how Jesus became sin.
Does that mean He made sin acceptable, or even holy?
---alan_of_UK on 5/24/07


Elena5773: I do understand I John. Jesus has paid the price for our sin. But this does not give us a license to continue to sin----deliberately. We must be on guard everyday, every hour against sins. Satan has many devices to trip us with. We have to learn how to resist the enemy. God has provided ways of escape for us but we must learn to use them. He will not allow thing upon us that we cannot bear.
---Robyn on 5/24/07


Thank you Duane. I wanted to say that but am already taking enough heat. I can glory because the heat not only brings faith forth as pure gold but also emboldens me to speak the truth in spite of it.
---Linda on 5/24/07


Elena,
Some just wont accept, they are set free from sin. Sin still has power over them.
They wont accept, Jesus became sin for them.
They read the word and dont understand.
---duane on 5/24/07


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Dear Robyn,1 John 1:8-10 means if we sin and say we do not, we deceive ourselves. "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Romans 8:2 "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." This is Paul speaking. 1 John 3:9, "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
---elena5773 on 5/24/07


Robyn, Did you read my previous 2 postings before my latest one? Or am I misunderstanding your newest reply to me? I sin everyday. I'm not HAPPY about it. But, I do not deny it. But, I was only reiterating that now that I know more about the importance of trying to live in holiness and HATING sin, and now that I understand much better about what Hell is like. It shows GOD's HATRED FOR SIN. And PRAISE YAHUVEH for YAHUSHUA that He loves His own to FORGIVE us DAILY, 77 X 7. YAHUVEH bless you Sister!
---Gordon on 5/24/07


Concerning the role that being sealed by the Holy Spirit plays in eternal security.
In Ephesians 1:13,:In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," exactly how long does this seal stay in place?
---Mima on 5/23/07


GordonG: We do not go around looking for sins to commit. No way! But whether we do or not. Sin catches up to us, including YOU, everyday. We sin even when we think we are not sinning. Our flesh is our greatest enemy.Pride, arrogance, lying, stealing. We do something everyday. But Jesus has already paid the price for our sins. If we are born again. We are the righteousness of Jesus Christ.
---Robyn on 5/23/07


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Yes, I have a comment. I sin, truly, I really do all the time. But I will say to that fact>>>UG,UG, UGLY.
---catherine on 5/21/07


*Yes, some people say they are set free from sin but God calls them LIARS and are only deceiving themselves....Read I John 1:8-10.*

John was talking about the flesh, our sin nature in passage 8. This is why you see sin in its singular form in the passage ,not sins. Or you can just believe John contradicted himself when he said in the same exact epistle two chapters later.

1 John 3
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

---Matthew on 5/21/07


2)
1 John 5:18

18We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself..that wicked one toucheth him not.

Freedom from sin is a promise from Jesus Himself.

Galatians 5
1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

You say you still are a slave to sin, when Paul says "make sure you don;t fall under slavery to sin again!"
---matthew on 5/21/07


3)
Paul said..

Romans 6:13
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
---Matthew on 5/21/07


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4)
Yield means give in to. Let happen. Have you yielded to obedience?, because the alternative is death! You heed to your dead teachers who say "you automatically yield". If we were forced to yield it wouldn't be called yielding. It's like telling someone "I gave in to the decision because they made me decide." It's a contradiction. No one can make you yield(submit) or it wouldn't be yielding. Paul said choose who you obey, Obedience(God) or sin(Devil).
---Matthew on 5/21/07


Duane: Yes, some people say they are set free from sin but God calls them LIARS and are only deceiving themselves, if they believe that. Read I John 1:8-10. It says it all. It also shows that you do not read or study your bible. If you do, it is very little. Study more so you can hold your own on spiritual matters. Blessings.
---Robyn on 5/21/07


Melissa: Duane has given an excellent response. The sins do not count against us because Jesus paid the price for our sins. Yet we are required to confess and repent of our sins everyday. And especially when we become aware of something we have done. May God give you a revelation on this matter.
---Robyn on 5/21/07


Although I still sin DAILY, it isn't as before. And I try to live in Holiness daily. I have a much greater respect for Holiness and more disdain for sin and evil. ESPECIALLY as I learned more about what Hell is really like. (Thank you, Bill Wiese, Mary K. Baxter and Choo Thomas!) It's a daily BATTLE. But, when you sin (fall) you have to get back up again. Trust the LORD's forgiveness. Repent AGAIN (!) and forgive yourself and KEEP GOING! Thank GOD (YAHUVEH) for His Gift JESUS (YAHUSHUA)!
---Gordon on 5/21/07


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Duane: I have been delivered from a lot of sin since giving my heart to Jesus. We all have overcome some sin in our lives but we will never be able to completely conquer Satan or sin. That's is why we need a Savior to begin with. Satan is powerful, my friend, we are no match for him ,this is why we depend, fully on Jesus.Satan is powerful but Jesus is more powerful. But we can put him(satan) on the run for a while. We are more than conquerors through Christ Jesus.
---Robyn on 5/18/07


Robyn, I totally agree with your last posting. I sin EVERYDAY and MORE than I care to admit. I believe that OUR part in the Salvation Covenant through JESUS CHRIST (YAHUSHUA) is to receive forgiveness from the LORD but also to daily REPENT of sins and strive to walk and live in HOLINESS.
---Gordon on 5/18/07


Robyn, cont... The BIBLE says that WITHOUT HOLINESS NO MAN WILL SEE The LORD! I believe that THAT includes those who claim the Name of CHRIST (YAHUSHUA) as well as the heathen. (I no longer believe in OSAS, at least, NOT in the way it is commonly taught today). HOLINESS and SIN are VERY BIG issues with GOD (YAHUVEH), and YES! He LOVES us, but He expects us to OBEY Him. But, He remembers that we're but dust. And He provides daily Grace for us.
---Gordon_G. on 5/18/07


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