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What Is Eternal Life

Eternal life is a promise exclusive to Christians. What happens to non-christians who have not received a promise of eternal life?

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Eternal life is a promise only to those who are born again of the Spirit. They receive Christ. "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life, the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that Eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us-" That is the promise, Eternal life, and if you reject Him, then there is no promise, and you have separation from Christ for all eternity in the fires of hell.
---MarkV. on 9/16/08


6/ Mark B

"the coming eon" (Matt.10:30, Luke 18:30
"the present wicked eon" (Gal.1:4)
"the oncoming eons (future)(Eph.2:7)
"the conclusion of the eon (present) (Mt.13:39,40)
"the secret concealed from the eons (past) (Eph.3:9)

So if the aions have an end, they must have had a beginning as well. The correct English word for "aion" would be "age".
---Billy on 9/16/08


Gary

Eternal life and eternal damnation are foreign to the Greek scriptures. Most all Orthodox Christian faiths teach this falsehood. It takes a little studying and research, but the Greek words aion and aionios are not correctly defined as eternal, eternity, forever and ever, and everlasting. God bless brother.
---Billy on 6/23/07


Tragically, they are condemned to eternal damnation and darkness.
---Gary_L. on 6/22/07


reading the blogs, people state truth mixed with fiction. fact: everyone is resurrected, old and young, bond and free, righteous and the wicked. where we live for eternity rests solely on us. either in God's kingdom or satan's kingdom. many christians will be in satan's kingdom too, why because they draw near to God with their lips but their hearts are far from him. they indulge in sins of the flesh thinking they are forgiven when they keep doing them over and over again. That is not repentence.
---ashley on 5/27/07




Steven yes! God's only commandment is believe in Him who I sent and if you beleive in Him you will believe in everything he taught. What you are trying to push is "easy believeism". All you want to do is believe he existed. It isn't enough.


Here is proof, something else that is also the will of God. IS it something jesus taught? Yes.

1 Thessalonians 4:3
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
---Matthew on 5/27/07


2)
If we believe in Jesus then we believe in everything he taught and don't fight it. We can have faith Him(believing His words are true) or a false faith that says I believe he existed(but what he taught doesn't need to be followed). Remember what James said in James 2? Faith without works is dead being alone. HE said and I quote "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?"
---Matthew on 5/27/07


3)
IF you say to your mother or father "I believe in you" or " I have faith in you" do you mean "I believe you exist". Of course not yet you want that to be the case with Jesus. Why? He doesn't want you to believe he existed(he never once said those words) instead he said believe in Me and have faith in Me. If we reject what he taught then we don't truly have faith in Him. To make null and void everything Jesus taught is to say Jesus wasted His breath.
---Matthew on 5/27/07


4)

If you tell your mother "I love you" but yet when she asks you to do something you say "No sorry I don't want to", is that true love? Jesus said
"If you love me, keep my commandments" Try telling those you love on Earth when they ask you to do something "No, I don't want to." over and over. You probably couldn't ever do such a thing right? Why? Because you love them. Yet you are saying it is ok to do it to God. Why?
---Matthew on 5/27/07


5)
You make out Jesus commndments impossible to obey. It's a lie. You don't have any idea the power in the grace of God. A grace powerful enough to change hearts and desires.

1 John 5
2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.



Jesus said "WIth God ALL things are possible."
---Matthew on 5/27/07




6)
Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

We either yield to sin or yield to obedience(The same as yielding to God). We can twist and we can dance around the scripture, but it won't change what the truth is. The "well if so many believe as I do it must be true" isn't where our belief system should come from. Jesus said only a few will make it.
---Matthew on 5/27/07


Matthew are you saying that you do the will of the Father? That's what Jesus did. Are you saying you keep the 1st and greatest commandment and the 2nd one Matt.22:37-40

The will of God the Father is believe on His Son whom kept all the commandments. Myself I can't keep one. example I CAN'T AND DON'T... 1.love God w/ALL my heart,soul, strength. 2. and my neighbor as myself. except in Christ He is my ALL in ALL
---steven_rem7000 on 5/26/07


(4) "'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29) So, Jesus is "gentle and lowly".

But Satan is dictatorial. Satan's spirit is the one which drives and wastes people in worry and depression, unforgiveness keeping us hurt, raging reactions, and sexual drives which possess us to go after mirage satisfaction which does not last.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/26/07


(5) So, Jesus is not that one who worries and hurries us, wears and tears and wastes us, pressures and threatens and guilt-trips us to do what he wants. But there IS "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience", Paul testifies in Ephesians 2:2.

And that evil and vile and filthing spirit is going somewhere...to the flaming sewer which burns with fire and brimstone, I understand. Don't go with it!!!
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/26/07


(1) "What happens to non-christians who have not received a promise of eternal life?"

"Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life." (Galatians 6:7-8)

So, they will REAP corruption...reaping brings you so much MORE than those little seeds you have sowed.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/26/07


(2) Right now, you are EMOTIONALLY reaping what you have been sowing. If you have been sowing to your flesh, this is why you have emotions corrupting you from sweetly enjoying God in His love.

"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5)

While we obey Jesus, we have God sharing His own love with us, so we experience the eternal love life which God enjoys in His kingdom.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/26/07


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(3) But if we do NOT submit to God so we are sharing with Him in His own love's eternal love life . . . we get the corruption of what we have been sowing.

"'Destruction and misery are in their ways;
And the way of peace they have not known.'"
(Romans 3:16-17)

"'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.'" (Matthew 11:28)

"Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/26/07


"What Is Eternal Life?" John 17:2 "This is life eternal, that they may know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent". Eternal life is a perpetual existence inspired, empowered, defined & recognized thru the manifestation of an apparent Divine influence upon the mind & heart. Those desiring & given to know the Father & the Son inherits eternal life. "What happens to non-christians?" Those who choose not to know Him will eventually perish. Cease to exist.
---Josef on 5/26/07


"What Is Eternal Life?" John 17:2 "This is life eternal, that they may know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent". Eternal life is a perpetual existence inspired, empowered, defined & recognized thru the manifestation of an apparent Divine influence upon the mind & heart. Those desiring & given to know the Father & the Son inherits eternal life. "What happens to non-christians?" Those who choose not to know Him will eventually perish. Cease to exist.
---Josef on 5/26/07


Matthew, the script.; the only rule (standard) we can truly TRUST! Matt.1:21 His name shall be called Jesus;"HE SHALL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS" I only no one that DID and DOES, the will of God from eternity past to future; Alfa and Omega. Do you actually believe you love God perfectly from eternity past too future? coz that's the will of God. SINNERS (in character and conduct)not the righteous. They look ONLY to HIM. obedience is a result ALWAYS and never perfect LOOKIN TO HIM ALONE amen
---steven_rem7000 on 5/23/07


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Steven lets look at those scriptures.

Matthew 7:21-23
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
---Matthew on 5/22/07


2)

Steven Jesus said "not everyone who calls on me will be saved but only those who do the Father's will."

Then he says many will come who work iniquity and claim they did all these great things. These are people who followed their own desires but said "i know God" "in the name of Jesus this and the name of Jesus that".
---Matthew on 5/22/07


3)
Much like the people in Titus 1.

16They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

You can think you know God but don't. That is what those people in Matthew were doing. Living in unrepentant sin with no submitance to the obedience of God but thinking their word service would grant them heaven. As God put it in the passage those who do His will, and keep the faith in Christ will be saved.
---Matthew on 5/22/07


1.Eternal life Jn 17:3 anybody can know if they have it or not! not everybody saying Matt.7:22 Lord,Lord claiming to b christians "I never new you" I couldn't imagine the devastation "depart from me I never knew you" they were exaltin their works.ALL commands of GOD are works Acts17:30. God gives one faith "that not of yourself" GIFT OF GOD Eph.2:8 2. "eternity without GOD" is the worst etc.... this is a lot short, but in short
---steven_rem7000 on 5/22/07


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Hell itself is cast into the lake of fire. Therefore it is of questionable intent to suggest that the lake of fire is hell.
Rev 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. .."
---jhonny on 5/22/07


Thanx...thats all i wanted to ask
---mark_B. on 5/22/07



Fire in hell is figurative the word fire is found in Scripture 549 times. And is used figuratively only a few times.

Fire is used in plain literal descriptive language....

Set on fire the foundations of mountain in the lowest sheol...DEUTERONOMY 32:22

Neither shall their fire be quenched ISAIAH 66:22-24; MARK 9:43-49

Unquenchable fire MATTHEW 3:10-12

Hell fire MATTHEW 5:22...18:9...

Cast into the fire MATTHEW 7:19
---Cynthia_1 on 5/22/07


continued...Cast into everlasting fire Matthew 18:8; 25:41;46

Fire that never shall be quenvhed Mark 9:43-49; Luke 3:17

The VENGEANCE of ETERNAL FIRE..Jude 6-7

Tormented with fire and brimstone Revelation 14:9-11

Lake of fire burning with brimstone Revelation 19:20; 21:8
---Cynthia_1 on 5/22/07


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Ryan

Your interpretation of scripture is incorrect. If death and destruction is eternal, then God can never be all in all, Death will be swallowed up in victory and death will have an end! To say otherwise will deny God total victory!
---Billy on 5/21/07


Hell is real catherine? Not according to the pope. July 28, 1999. POPE JOHN PAUL II REJECTS REALITY OF A LITERAL HELL. Pope John Paul II rejected the reality of a physical, literal hell as a place of eternal fire and torment. Rather, the pope said hell is separation, even in this life, from the joyful communion with God.
---jhonny on 5/21/07


mark b, the righteous will be resurrected unto eternal life. The wicked will be resurrected unto judgment and condemnation. The soul of the man who sins will die Ezekiel 18:4, The wages of sin is death. Those who do not receive eternal life will perish John 3:16. God will destroy the body and soul of the non-believers in Gehenna Matthew 10:28. Any way you look at it scripture teaches the destruction of the wicked, not eternal life in torment.
---Ryan_Z on 5/21/07


Not feeling the presence of the Lord anymore, would be hell to me. 2 Th 1:9. Hell is Everlasting punishment, fire Mt 25:41-46, everlasting burnings, a devouring fire Is 33:14, a furnace of fire Mt 13:42-50, unquencable fire, Mt 3:12, the body and soul suffers in hell, Mt 5:28-29, 10:28. It is illustrated in Is 30:33. The breath of the Lord like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.
---Rebecca_D on 5/21/07


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Ok so unbelievers go to hell, for only a period of time (am i getting what you are trying to say right??) then what happens after that period of time or dont we know yet??? and what happens after the period of time while we're as christians are in heaven??
---mark_B. on 5/21/07


**HELL, is a place of eternal torment reserved for unbelievers. Lets, please, never sugar kote such a place. Hell is real and so uncomfortable, and it is forever.**

Study the following scriptures and see if you have the same conclusion:

Matthew 10:28;25:46;John 3:16, 36;5:24;10:28;Psalm 1:4-6;2:12;34:16, 21;37:1-2, 9-10, 15, 20, 22, 28, 38;145:20; Isaiah 1:28;11:4;33:12;66:16-17;Jeremiah 25:33;Ezekiel 18:4, 13, 18, 20, 26;Hosea 13:3;Obadiah 16;Zephaniah 1:14-18
---Ryan_Z on 5/21/07


ok let me try again haha...ok so when someone dies and then resurrection and then after were all judged by God who goes where and for how long etc...
---mark_B. on 5/21/07


Hell is real catherine? Not according to the pope. July 28, 1999. POPE JOHN PAUL II REJECTS REALITY OF A LITERAL HELL. Pope John Paul II rejected the reality of a physical, literal hell as a place of eternal fire and torment. Rather, the pope said hell is separation, even in this life, from the joyful communion with God.
---jhonny on 5/21/07


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Catherine

You need to study the Greek. Hell is also the wrong English word to be used in scripture. It should be the grave. The lake of fire is the final judgement for unbelievers and this takes place after the second resurrection, not after death. And it is not an eternal judgement. Read my 15 part post to Mark B on 5/19/07. God bless
---Billy on 5/21/07


HELL, is a place of eternal torment reserved for unbelievers. Lets, please, never sugar kote such a place. Hell is real and so uncomfortable, and it is forever.
---catherine on 5/21/07


Thanks for your response Helen. Eternal hell: In the sense that the dead know nothing?
---jhonny on 5/21/07


Helen 5378, I am confused. On the one hand you accuse me of teaching falsehoods, on the other hand you agree that only Christians receive eternal life. In your opinion, what falsehoods am claiming?
---Ryan_Z on 5/21/07


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mark b, you are changing the parameters of your question. You initially asked "...what happens after we die both christians and non-christians???" And I answered this. Now you ask "...i meant like after that like when they go to heaven or hell...since its not for eternity what happen??? do they just get punished and they're done and they disappear, or do they all end up in heaven or what??" Are you wanting to know what takes place at death or at the resurrection. Please clarify.
---Ryan_Z on 5/21/07


Ryan

You said to Helen I pray that one day you may realize how glorious the gift of eternal life is and how vile it is to think that all men will receive such a glorious gift.

I dont think that was what she was saying, or you could have written your words down wrong. Either way, I think that you are misrepresenting the words eternal life in scripture. I pray that you will study my friend, and allow the Lord to reveal you the truth of this matter, God bless
---Billy on 5/20/07


Haha...sorry ryan i meant like after that like when they go to heaven or hell...since its not for eternity what happen??? do they just get punished and they're done and they disappear, or do they all end up in heaven or what??
---mark_B. on 5/20/07


RyanZ - I do not believe that everybody receives eternal life and I have never said that because it is not true. Eternal life belongs only to those who will be in Heaven.
---Helen_5378 on 5/20/07


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Jhonny - I do not know. I do not believe in OSAS but there is definitely eternal Hell for unbelievers.
---Helen_5378 on 5/20/07


Many have been seduced into thinking they're going to have eternal life by mouthing the words of a single phrase. Guaranteed eternal life no matter how insincere, selfish and shallow the motives are. No matter how corrupt and unrepentant a life we live. Then call themselves christian, converted, and saved.
---jhonny on 5/20/07


Blessed are those who are chosen to rise in the first resurrection for they will see no death. Those who are not chosen will be resurrected in the second resurrection and if they are not found in the book of life, it is the second death.
---Steveng on 5/20/07


mark b, upon death all of humanity awaits resurrection.
---Ryan_Z on 5/20/07


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Helen 5378, I pray that one day you may come to the understanding of what is taught in the WOrd of Truth about eternal life and who receives it. I pray that one day you may realize how glorious the gift of eternal life is and how vile it is to think that all men will receive such a glorious gift. Study my friend and allow the Lord to reveal truth.
---Ryan_Z on 5/20/07


Helen you wrote "Eternal Hell awaits all who have not had their sins forgiven.." Would you say that those who believe in osas also believe in "eternal hell".
---jhonny on 5/20/07


mark B., that word 'retarded' is offensive.
Society does not use it any more.
While you're picking on your favorites, saving 'in Him I live, move and have my being' for your goodgirl name, don't offend the rest of us with your onery names.
---Parakeet on 5/20/07


1/ Mikefl

You are 100% correct. God will be that fire and He is the only thing thats eternal. Mike, have you ever wondered why the bible calls it a lake of fire and not a sea of fire? When the scriptures speak of water in any ammount like "lake or sea", This is usually symbolic language for a body of people. Jud 1:13 is a good example of this. Its sad to say, but most of the seas of humanity will be in the lake of fire.
---Billy on 5/20/07


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2/ Mikefl

But the lake of fire is composed of Christ and his few elect. This is why its called a lake of fire and not a sea of fire. Its because of the few in number compared to the rest of humanity. But this little lake of fire "Christ and his elect" will be more than enough to burn the wood, hay, and stubble out of the seas of humanity, God bless brother.
---Billy on 5/20/07


Umm this isnt to be retarded...but just curious...ryan in your mind what happens after we die both christians and non-christians???
---mark_B. on 5/19/07


IF God is a "consuming fire", and God is eternal/everlasting/forever/etc., then would it be safe to say He could be that Fire that burns those who are NOT His? That would make the Fire eternal but not those burned in it. Take the parable of wheat and tares. Do we think the tares are burned eternally? Would it even sound like our God to cause people eternal pain? You know, the God that is Love.
---mikefl on 5/19/07


No, Ryan, you are the one teaching falsehood here. Eternal Hell awaits all who have not had their sins forgiven by the Lord Jesus Christ.
---Helen_5378 on 5/19/07


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**Either way you look at it, You get eternal life, either upstairs or downstairs.**

And this is the heresy and apostate doctrine that is taught today. This position is completely unfounded and unproveable in scripture. Study my friends, and the truth will be revieled to you. Stop teaching a doctrine of eternal torture for those that are not in Christ, it is FALSE!!
---Ryan_Z on 5/19/07


If by downstairs we mean death and the grave. Then it may be noted, the grave has been conquered. For the victory over the grave in and by Christ would mean that the duration of it's existence is now limited. Limitation is contrary to eternity. Are we inadvertently contending that the mission of victory was not accomplished.
---jhonny on 5/19/07


Either way you look at it, You get eternal life, either upstairs or downstairs.
---Cynthia_1 on 5/19/07


#1 Mark B

Ill let you in on another truth in Gods word. Without God witnessing to our spirit and giving us the eyes to see, you, me, and all the Bible scholers in the world cannot study enough to see the truth.

1Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

So could it be true that most scholers and people that study Gods word have missed it?
---Billy on 5/19/07


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#2 Mark B

Sure it can! Another truth is that God has hid his Word from the wise and the prudent, and has reveiled them to babes.

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
---Billy on 5/19/07


#3 Mark B

Believe it or not, the majority "christianity" are not always right. If we fallow the truth, we will be hated of all men for his name sake. So why does God work this way, well, this is how God has always worked. Gideons army is one example. God only uses whom He wills, and the rest he hardens.

Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
---Billy on 5/19/07


#4 Mark B

At this moment, God isnt trying to save the world. Bit in its order, the world will be saved. There is a hidden truth to "1Joh 4:14", And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. So why does christianity say that Jesus cant save the whole world? Well they say that man must make this choice himself to come to Christ, and all wont make that choice. Well, they have just sayed that Jesus will fail in his mission to save the world.
---Billy on 5/19/07


#5 Mark B

They dont understand that its not within any of us to make that choice. If we are given a choice "by God" to serve him, we all would walk the other way, UNLESS, and only if God moves on us, by his Spirit, and causes our will to wont to serve Him.

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw [Greek, helkuō, to drag] him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
---Billy on 5/19/07


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#6 Mark B

The word draw in Joh 6:44 is the Greek word "helkuō" and it means to drag. God does drag us to him because our wills are not willing. So yes, God will, in due time, draw "drag" all me unto Him.

Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw [helkuō, drag] all men unto me.
What people dont like about this is that it leaves man completely out of the picture to gloat within himself that he played some kind of part in getting saved.
---Billy on 5/19/07


#7 Mark B

God is running the show, not man. Well, I had better shut up. Mark, study and seak for the truth. If Gods put it into your heart to check this matter out, then God wants to show you something. But most wont give this a second thought. Mark, I pray that this finds your spirit, God bless brother.
---Billy on 5/19/07


13/ Mark B

Could Gods judgements that destroy the wicked be what ryan is talking about when he speaks of annihilation, or could it be that the wood, hay, and stubble "mans evil works" is destroyed but God will save the wicked?

Psalms 90:3 Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men.

I think that the scriptures do proves that all of humanity "in there order" will bow there knee and confess that Christ is Lord.
---Billy on 5/19/07


Ok billy...Its been sweet... i just have a hard time trying to figure out that the tranlators of the bible who have spent a very long time w/ Greek and studied it in and out...still see that those words are refering to eternal not just an end...which means i will have to check it out myself, which still wont be compared to the years that the translators have done
---mark_B. on 5/19/07


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Matthew, you still avoided my question: would you classify total annaihlation as an 'eternal punishment'?
---Ryan_Z on 5/19/07


Ecc 12:7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
---jhonny on 5/19/07


Matthew, the other question you seem to not want to answer is: According to scripture who is promised to receive eternal life? We could go round-and-round discussing the definitions of words and placing the words 'punishment' & 'punishing' in different contexts to prove our points, but I think we can agree that that is futile to continue. My two questions to you remain. We can have a nice discussion, should you choose to answer.
---Ryan_Z on 5/19/07


1/ Mark B

I saved you for last because you are the only one thats asked for an explanation. Yes the scriptures Ryan uses, do point to eternal life, but again, the English words "eternal life" are not correct. I once believed the christian doctrine of eternal punishment, but when scripture says that we reap what we sow "Job 4:8", and that the servant that knew his lords will, and did according to his own will, shall be beaten with many stripes "Luk 12:47",
---Billy on 5/19/07


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2/ Mark B

and he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes "Luk 12:48", I began to question the doctrine of eternal punishment. You might say that Luke 12 is speaking to the believers, not unbelievers. Luke 12:46 is also being applied to this same group, so lets see what category God puts them in for being disobedient. God will cut him sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. If God is going to appoint
---Billy on 5/19/07


3/ Mark B

them there portion with the unbelievers, will the unbelievers also have the same opportunity to be beaten with a specific number of stripes that fits the crime of his sins, or will the unattentive servant be forfeited his punishment of stripes, and suffer the faith of eternal punishment with the unbelievers because of his disobedience? A question ive asked before, and have yet to get an answer to is this. Can a man sow an eternity of sin to reap an eternity
---Billy on 5/19/07


4/ Mark B
of punishment? I dont think so. With this being said, ill get to the point. We could never see how the words, "forever and ever, eternal, everlasting, and eternity" could be incorrect words for our Bibles, unless we do a study on the Greek words "aion and aionios". First let me say that the greek word "aionios" is the adjective of the noun "aion." since grammar rules mandate an adjective, an adjective CANNOT take on a greater force than its noun form.
---Billy on 5/19/07


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