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Why don't the policians at least give God a chance, instead of believing they have all the answers? Look all around you, one BIG, BIG, MESS that man has made on God's green earth.
---catherine on 6/1/08


"If theres a moment that marks the beginning of the LDS ascendancy, it came in 1979, when right-wing Christian fundamentalist Jerry Falwell announced the formation of the Moral Majority."
---kathr4453 on 5/24/07
I am about to embark on an impossible mission. I am going to try to tell Kathr something she "doesn't" know.
Cond #2
---Elder on 5/30/07


#2
The Moral Majority was not a religious movement. It was pure political, taxable and apart from the church. There was no reason for anyone not be a part of the movement that believed in the political policies it stood for.
There were no members and it was not a church ministry.
The common ground was only political.
Your LDS statement contains no truth.
---Elder on 5/30/07


Kathr4453

Thank you for giving another example of the pattern of your works. You were so intent on trying to run me down in retaliation, you failed to notice that I quoted the words of Jason.

In the original post, they were set off in italics. Each "(sic)" indicated an exact quote of an error in the original. That is the second proof they are not my words.

Why are you so blind to what you do?
---John_T on 5/26/07


mark: all the kings horses and all the kings men will never make the Christian life easier for a True Born Again Christian. The same fellowship of His sufferings go on in America as does those in China, and elsewhere in the world. Christianity IS NOT organized religion. It is a personal one on one relationship with the Lord conforming us to His image. Falwell and his wanting to make things easier for Christians is a counterfit Gospel...having with no power of the Cross that is "in Christ" ONLY!
---kathr4453 on 5/25/07




MikeM, it is clear that you oppose the Bible as a whole, and when you give reasons you give them from Scripture itself. Take the subject of Cannon, you give every indication that it is not to be taken as truth, that it was the beginning of Apostasy, then you answer with a teaching from Paul. If the teachings of Paul are not correct in Cannon, how can you use them to bring your point across? Let me say, that you do have wisdom, for I believe you must have read a lot of books from many different subjects,
---mark on 5/25/07


#2. but the Bible throws more light on a vast of most important subjects than all the other books in the world put together. It handles matter which are beyond the reach of man, when left to himself. It treats of things which are mysterious and invisible, the soul, the world to come, eternity, depths which man has no line to fathom. All who have tried to write of these things without Bible light, have done little but show their own ignorance. They group like the blind; and speculate,
---mark on 5/25/07


#3. they guess, they generally make the darkness more visible, and land many Christians in an area of uncertainty and doubt. How low is the light of the views of Socrates, Pluto, Cicero, and Seneca, a well taught sunday school teacher in this very day, know more spiritual truth than all of these put together. In my answer to you, I said, "If" they didn't teach the gospel of Christ, their words mean nothing to any of us. Wisdom can help me in my life, it will not save me.
---mark on 5/25/07


#8. Jerry Falwell was a great man, he was not God, but his works all through his life confirmed that he loved the Lord so much that he cared for many a man. He wanted the lives of Christians to be better. Was he without sin? Of course not, no one is. But as a whole he represented Christ in all he did, and he will be greatly missed by so many. He was our brother in Christ.
---mark on 5/24/07


Kathr, I am not going to speak for John T. and allow him to answer you if he so desires. I speak on behalf of Christ, On behalf of the Father, On behalf of the Holy Spirit, while you speak on behalf of free man. I took that stand many years ago Kathr, until Christ brought me to my knee's and humbled me. I too as you, believed I had a free will. I had a will alright while lost but it sure wasn't free. If you ever learn what love for Christ is you will know what I am talking about.
---mark on 5/24/07




#2. I am going to write these maybe not for you but for others to read and compare it with Scripture if they really care. Essentially, sin is any transgression or violation against God's law. This is seen in 1 John 3:4. In other words, and lack of comformity to the perfect moral standard of God is sin. But our problem with sin goes much deeper than simple acts of disobedience, which are merely outward manifestations of inner fleshly compulsions.
---mark on 5/24/07


#3. The basic inclination and orientation of man toward self-gratification-however religious or moral we many appear on the outside-is directly hostile to God. Even the good deeds of an unbeliever fail to fulfill God's law. Why? Because they are produced by the flesh, for selfish reasons, and from a heart that is in rebellion toward God. Romans 8:7 tells us that the natural man is at enmity with God-meaning that he has a positive hatred toward God and stands in opposition to Him.
---mark on 5/24/07


#4. Sin seeks to dethrone and depose God, undermind His authority, and put self in His place. At its core sin is an act of pride. Pride say "Move over, God, I am in charge, I'll do what I want" therefore all sin at it core is blasphemy because it attacks God. When we come into this world we love sin, and so we love our rebellion and we love our pride and we love our blasphemy. We delight in it and we seek every opportunity we can to manifest it.
---mark on 5/24/07


#5. Jesus taught that the central deman of God's law is to "love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength." This is the first commandment. And the second, like it, is this "You shall love your neighbor as yourself" There is no other commandment greater than theses," Mark 12:30-31. Thus, the essence of all sin is the failure to love God. That is the primary violation.
---mark on 5/24/07


#6. This shows up in Joh 16 where Jesus said He would send the Holy Spirit who would "convict the world of sin" "Why?" "because they do not believe in Me" In other words, any failure to love and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ is a failure to love God. If a man is lost he is at enmity against God and in rebellion to Him. He is lost and spiritually dead to all things of God. He has nothing good in him.
---mark on 5/24/07


#7. Now that is the condition of man while lost Kathr, and you can color it, paint it, and try to change it, but it will not change at all. That is what all those writers that you put down believe. They and many more, like R.C. Sproul, Jonathan Edwards, Luther, Loraine Boettner, John Bunyan, John Edwards, and so many more. But you as smart as you are even compare youself to any of this man gives evidence of the depravity of your flesh.
---mark on 5/24/07


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jason Spurgeon, Schofield, Govett, A.E.Pink, Watchman Nee, Dillow and John Phillips. They all believd(sic) and taught the tripartipe(sic) man.
John T

Mark: John T posted this months ago on OSAS. Now, do these rules apply to you all as well? I believe he bashes Ellen White with the SDA's. Now tell me, how can you make such accusations about bashing people and not call down everyone doing it? Or is it only when I do it?
---kathr4453 on 5/24/07


mark; No professor i brought up is 'teaching against the Gospel of Christ; read the post. Nor do I attack the teachings of Scripture, give one example, just one.

The issue was about pluralism, which fundamentalst, in increasing numbers fail to grasp-and could be threatening.
---MikeM on 5/24/07


James 4:13-14 13Go to now, ye that say, Today or tomorrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:
14Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.

Exalting yourself as though you were God could be the sin unto death 1st John warns against.
*Isaiah 30&31
---kathr4453 on 5/24/07


If theres a moment that marks the beginning of the LDS ascendancy, it came in 1979, when right-wing Christian fundamentalist Jerry Falwell announced the formation of the Moral Majority, the anti-choice, anti-woman,pro-school-prayer group that reshaped American politics. In Falwells coalition, individual Mormons joined forces with Christian fundamentalists and conservative Catholics in an attempt to make American politics more godly. The oft-isolated LDS Church had finally found willing partners.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/07


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Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, meanwhile, has benefited from a statement Rev. Falwell made last year that said Romney's Mormon faith should "not be a factor" in whether to support his run for the White House. Romney hailed Rev. Falwell yesterday as a man who put his "faith into action."

Falwell's Judeo Christians ethics include Mormonism!
However God said friendship with the world is emnity (enemies) with God.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/07


John T: Liberty University teaches that separation means separation from Arminians, not the world. The Bible teaches we are to come out of the world, but with this strange twist of what Hyper-Calvinists believe separation is, the hatred is coming out very loud and clear with your display of hatred of Arminians as well as to those who know separation means from this world system.
You can say all the hateful things you want about me JohnT...I don't care.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/07


JOhn T #2: You all have beat up people over and over on thes blogs about man's free will, that they don't have any because that is the Sovereignty of God,and then turn around and say your free will is going to change the course of History.

You hate me John T because I see right through this evil and false doctrine. I don't care what ugly things you say about me. You always come in with your comments(after you post in others names),only when I have pointed out contradictions...it's always the case.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/07


catherine: too funny...Yes I meant He'll. That little ditty changes the whole meaning HA!
---kathr4453 on 5/24/07


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John T: Once sins are forgiven, they are never brought up again,....however this is another area you have contradicted yourself.
So with that, God WILL bring up everything against *you* on that day!

JohnT, all the times you have offended me, and many there are, I have not only forgiven you but forgotten all.

You will know the real thing by their fruit...!
---kathr4453 on 5/24/07


John Y; Final, I asked you one other time about this doctrine, and you laughed and said, that is Gary North and his crowd. The fact is John T, this doctrine of Jerry Falwell and cohorts is from Gary North. Once again, you have contradicted yourself.

You also said the dead are fair game. Well, falwell is dead. I guess *HIS* 20 year plan just wasn't GOD'S 20 year plan. He just recently said on CNN, he asked God for 20 nore years to accomplish. Well, I would say, Jerry Falwell got his answer!
---kathr4453 on 5/24/07


MikeM, you can bring all the Dr's you want to the fore front that you want, but none of them will have known Christ if they have teached against the Gospel of Christ. They speak their opinions just like everyone else. While you don't attack individuals as Kathr, you attack the whole of Christianity, and the teachings of Scripture. Many smart guys in the world know alot, but fail to testify for Christ and the Gospel.
---mark on 5/24/07


#2. God does not look at the wisdom of man, but if the righteousness of Christ is in them. If he is saved, he will do for the gospel out of desire. He would not be out condemning every single area of life. We already know the world is enslaved to sin, and many have done evil in the name of Christ. Our desire should be to teach and disciple others into the ministry of the Holy Spirit. That should be our desire if saved. If not, their evidence proves to us he is far from that righteousness.
---mark on 5/24/07


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#3. I have a son who speaks as you do. Everything is wrong. Everyone is bad. All Christians are hypocrites and all Christianity is wrong. He has every answer from every writer he has looked for, of course he is not saved or even wants anything to do with Christ. The difference between him and I is that I have a hope, and he doesn't. It hurts my heart when he speaks so wrong about us, but there is nothing I am able to do but pray for him.
---mark on 5/24/07


#4. He has learned about Christ but wants his rights just as everyone here who speak for the rights of every individual when God has His own rules for us. He went to college and came out worse then when he went in. All the knowledge in the world will not be able to save him, only Christ can save him. Yes, we do have a right to check preachers and teachers, but to do it by proving in what area they are wrong but give prove by Scripture, not just because they don't like him.
---mark on 5/24/07


Shortly after Rev Falwell's death there were several people saying they were glad he was out of the way, and calling him names. Also some stated that the ones who followed Falwell and the likes of Dobson were neanderthals. What kind of people makes these statements?
---wayne on 5/24/07


Dr. Prothero, Boston U, has proposed 'religious literacy' classes where students could be 'exposed to the complex forces that created religious texts,' giving comprehensive understanding to students about religions, and exactly what pluralism in America is." It was stated, however, "fundamentalist would fight this bitterly, opting out their teens if ANY higher criticisms are taught, resulting in less literate students."

That reflects the politics of fundamentalist.
---MikeM on 5/23/07


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MODS:

How much ugliness do we have to endure from Kathryn?? In October, she called me in cahoots with drug pushers.

Now she criticizes Falwell unjustly and ignorantly.

In March, she called me something else, and yes, she apologized after a week.

Other bloggers expressed dismay at her writings; she called Daph a stalker.

It is time to take PERMANENT action as she continues her unchrist-like ugliness unabated.

She experienced mercy before. Please take action now
---John_T on 5/23/07


Kathr4453>>> Ha, You did not do that on purpose did you? Didn't you mean He'll say, "I never you". Instead you put>> Hell.
---catherine on 5/23/07


"I fell to understand why God will not allow me to point fingers at His preachers. Some of these people are doing it under the name of God"

In a free society one can blindly follow any preacher, even through that preacher has been shown to be false, again and again, its the price of freedom of religion.
---MikeM on 5/23/07


mark:Matthew 7:
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; *****but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, havent WE done many wonderful works? Hell say: I never knew you!!!

Romans 12
2And be not conformed to this world: but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove that good, acceptable, and perfect, WILL OF GOD.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/07


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On this one matter I agree with kathy. "A Christian setting" you create in your home. We live in a republic, which is a 100% pagan concept. in our American plurlism you can create any 'Christian setting' for you family you want withen the confines of your home, private school, etc. your 'setting' agenda stops where the constitution begins. Keep religion out of goverment, and goverment out of religion.
---MikeM on 5/23/07


The theocrats mentioned by Kathy are potentually dangerious a threat to the republic. I suspect their supporters will bail the discussion, why? An free and open dialectic is a threat to all extremist. If the far right's agenda was known I suspect most evangicals would reject it wholesale. If the theocrats, dominionist take over, it will be the 'boiling a frog scenario' start cold, slowly warm- deceive by degree. They say, 'we only want a Christian setting,' what exactly does that mean in its application?
---MikeM on 5/23/07


I fell to understand why God will not allow me to point fingers at His preachers. Some of these people are doing it under the name of God.
---catherine on 5/23/07


If truth be not diffused, error will be; if God and His Word are not known and received, the devil and his works will gain the
ascendancy; if the evangelical volume does not reach every hamlet, the pages of a corrupt and licentious literature will; if the power of the gospel is not felt throughout the length and breadth of the
land, anarchy and misrule, degradation and misery, corruption and darkness, will reign without mitigation or end." (Daniel Webster,
1823)
Continue on Elder, Mark
---DanWebster on 5/23/07


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This is all political
---DanWebster on 5/23/07


Kathr: Your theology is skewed. Israel had "70 weeks to end transgression annoint Most Holy" when Jesus came. 70wks given by Daniel, 70x7 Christ mentioned. 490yrs ends at Stephens death, Gospel going to Gentiles. Christ said "Preach in all Judea first" They did "arose such persecution"Christians fled ending 70 weeks given Jews
1000yrs in Heaven with Christ is Spiritual Israel in New Jerusalem. You repeat prophecy giving it again to those rejecting Christ first time.
---TS on 5/23/07


mark: MY MOTIVE is to obey the Lord and obey His WORD, not re-arrange it. For those of you who believe in the Sovereignty of God that man's free will cannot change that sovereignty, and then follow every Tom Dick and Harry who has made a name for themselves, changing that Sovereignty, WOW! You all certainly have a peculiar way of contradicting yourselves, at the same time calling others down who don't follow your contradictions. God does not contradict Himself. Reformed Theology is a lie WITH A MOTIVE.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/07


Thank you Kathr, for you biblical answers. You refuse to listen because you have a motive. Instead of humbling yourself, you stand with pride. And with a bible in your hand. We all have a duty and an obligation that our children, family, grows in a Christian setting. We might not always get what we want, but get what God permits us to get. Yet we have to act to accomplish God's purpose. You cannot be on both sides of the fence, you are either with Him or against Him in your actions.
---mark on 5/23/07


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#2. If you are a Christian as you say you are, I encourage you as a brother to stop. Sin always brings consequences and they could be very bad many times. Instead, repent, and ask God to forgive you for your actions, and go back to debating God's Word, and let Him use you for the right reasons, to teach or build your brother or sister in Christ. What you are doing is coming from a vengeful heart. You have done enough damage already with me, Daphen and others. It only shows the evidence God spoke of.
---mark on 5/23/07


Reconstructionism, Kingdom Now, Theonomy, and/or Dominion Theology,is a blend of Reformed/Calvinism and Charismatic influence. Their ideas are reflected by those as Pat Robertson,D. James Kennedy, John Whitehead,Franky Schaeffer,and Jerry Falwell. Many Dominionists-Reconstructionists-Theonomists are hyper-Calvinists, and believe they must help God get things under control down here on earth, so the kingdom(their version of it) can be set up in order that the King Himself can reign properly(through them).
---kathr4453 on 5/23/07


Benny Hinn/Jerry Falwell.

On "This is Your Day" with Benny Hinn,December 28,1999, Benny,with guests Steve Brock and a man named Ron, featured clips from his 25th ministry anniversary celebration, highlighting several Christian leaders who came to pay tribute to him. Bennys regular admirers appeared singing Bennys praises,such as Rex Humbard,Paul Crouch and Oral Roberts. But one surprise guest was Moral Majority founder,Jerry Falwell,who gave his own personal endorsement of Benny Hinn.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/07


"Pastor Benny and I are friends and Im glad for every soul that comes and has come to Christ through your ministry over the past 25 years." Pastor Hinn called my office and said, he wants to come to Lynchburg and he wants my undivided attention for a day. He came and we had a wonderful day together. He met the 6,000 students on the campus of Liberty University as we walked from building to building, most of them knew him. Many of them were your partners (applause).
---kathr4453 on 5/23/07


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"Falwell has a habit of looking in all the wrong places for what God is doing. In the past he has even aligned himself with self-proclaimed messiah, Sun Myung Moon, to further his own political agenda. Falwell is a role-model to church leaders who can look to him and know how not to be, if one wants to know how to be pleasing to the Lord.
Go Elder!!!!
---kathr4453 on 5/23/07


Elder: * I guess you can't read" Would not this be what WE preach" Who said Noah didn't preach, and why did you TRIST my words? What you just did is evil Elder.
I posted to you:
Elder: Yes it is important to preach the Love of God, shown through His Son Jesus Christ who died for our sin, and those who come to Him will not have to worry about God's wrath.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/07


NurseRobert: The really scary part is people like Elder wanting to control people and their religion and politics in this country. The way he twisted things to look good to other like minded is as corrupt as most politicians are anyway. I would never want those kind of Christians (in the generic sense only) running anything in this country. If Christians are in politics, they need to be so perfectly above board in all aspects. He just lost my vote!
---kathr4453 on 5/23/07


Angry for the Lord: There was never a Church of America set up in America. People came here to get away from the Church of England and the Catholic church control. We were set up to worship according to our "conscience". and freedom of religion, for all. This is our constitution. Who's Church do you want to control? Catholics also murdered born again christians who's conscience did not believe in Catholicism.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/07


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Mark; So as not to dissapoint you I will say this. Jerry Falwell was not on my most favored list. You said "we all have a duty for bringing scripture" yet with your 3 paragraphs I didn;t notice any! Maybe it;s your duty to fight but "a servant of the Lord must not strive" (2Tim.2.24)
---1st_cliff on 5/22/07


Elder: Noah did preach for 120 years as do we. God never once told Noah, like He did Abraham or Jonah that if they repented God would not destroy Sodom /Gomorra or the earth. No where does God say if man repents that His wrath will not come. No where does God say /if Christians subdue the earth God's wrath will not come. Are you saying we can change the course of History? Are you the same Elder that teaches Revelation? Cant possible be so!
---kathr4453 on 5/22/07


Elder #2: It's your pride that won't admit you've taken a wrong course. You're saying man can override what God has already proclaimed in scripture. Nothing can thwart the plan and purpose of God. The wrath of God IS COMING on all who have rejected the love of the Gospel, as stated clearly in Thess.
I am dumfounded at your comments. But then again, I always wondered what was in that 3 hour seminar. Now I know...false doctrine and false hope that we are going to try to change the course of History.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/07


Elder.. you would never understand what the military is trying to do so it is useless to explain it to you. BTW, I spent 9 years on active duty and 22 more in the reserves.. How many years were you in?

As far as Starbucks... send them your thoughs, they would probably be more open to your opinion than you are to others.
---NurseRobert on 5/22/07


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Kathr: Israel had "70 weeks to end the transgression annoint Most Holy" when Jesus came. 70wks given by Daniel is 70x7 Christ mentioned. 490yrs ends at Stephens death and Gospel going to Gentiles. Christ said "Preach in all Judea first" They did "then arose such persecution"Christians fled ending 70 weeks given to physical Israel
1000yrs in Heaven with Christ is Spiritual Israel in New Jerusalem. Your repeating prophecy giving it again to those rejecting Christ first time.
---TS on 5/22/07


Elder: I'm trying to understand something. Are you saying you believe in Grace, but at the same time you believe you are to take that Grace and force it on the unsaved? Would that be then called Law, or legalized Grace becoming LAW for unbelievers? Do you believe this is what you were saved to do? Force legalized Grace on the unsaved?
---kathr4453 on 5/22/07


Mark you are so right. These people think Noah just built an Ark but he actually preached for 120 years while he was doing it.
Also, Satan has always called evil good. He has always used ways to say there is nothing wrong with condoning just a little sin. It kinda adds to the meaning of "Ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the Truth."
Thanks for your wisdom.
---Elder on 5/22/07


Elder #3:
Dominionism describes a movement among socially conservative Christians to gain influence or control over secular civil government through political action seeking either a nation dominated by Christians or a nation dominated by a Christian understanding of biblical law.

Also totally negates Grace! How strange you can support both!
---kathr4453 on 5/22/07


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Elder #3:
Dominionism describes a movement among socially conservative Christians to gain influence or control over secular civil government through political action seeking either a nation dominated by Christians or a nation dominated by a Christian understanding of biblical law.

Also totally negates Grace! How strange you can support both!
---kathr4453 on 5/22/07


Elder #2: It was Judas who thought Jesus came to be King at that time,turning on Jesus. The same way the judas's in the church will turn on the True Believers and persecute them for not believing that Christians are to take over the world and bring in righteousness FOR Jesus. That puts the Church as the Head, and not Christ. It's also anti-semitic in robbing Israel of their promise of the return of Jesus (they don't know who it is yet)to take the Throne of David, and reign and rule 1000 years.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/07


Seperation of church state is a lie! Show me it in the constitution! America was founded to bring glory to Gods people, its the non-believers who must take a back seat.

This is a christian nation, created by and for believers.
---Angry_for_the_Lord on 5/22/07


Elder: you said* (You see Christianity equals Jesus you know The Christ.)*

True Christianity equals descipleship, which means we FOLLOW Jesus Christ. When Jesus died on the Cross at the hands of the Roman Government, they were afraid of this KING. So afraid in fact, that shortly after He (Jesus) was born, they had all the first born up to 2 years killed. When questioned, He said My Kingdom is not of this world.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/07


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Kathr, you don't read anything but what you write. You are a false teacher.
---Mars on 5/22/07


mark:WE DON'T *WORK* for the cause of Christ. We surrender our will so that the LIFE of Christ lives through us. Our work is the work of spreading the Gospel to the lost.
Those who worship the beast will *WORK* day and night for him. Grace,in Romans 11 is NO WORK of our selves,but Grace is God's Work in and through us. "GOD'S WORK" says,"those who mind earthly things are enemies of the CROSS"! Even Moses came out of Egypt,(the world), Abraham looked for a city made without hands.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/07


MikeM: OSAS leads to preaching Commandments gone thus no need for Savior. Leads to preaching lawlessness; Jesus saying "Depart from Me ye who preach Lawlessness"
Scripture shows the lie about the Dead (seducing spirits)leading them astray. Mary apparitions are a manifestation of satan as "angel of light" God calls dead speaking an abomination for good reason "The dead know not anything." Keep the Commandments including 4th. False so close to truth its barely discernable
---TS on 5/22/07


2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,**therein shall be burned up.**(The "WORKS of *mark*" will also burn up too if those WORKS are not those God has FORORDAINED from the foundation of the world!)

2 Peter 3:13
We, according to his promise,look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/07


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MikeM: As you see, Mars, who hates OSAS Theology agrees with Dominion Theology. This is going to be the deception that will bring all false religions together to form the one world church and one world government. Thank you Mars, for being that perfect example of the one thing that will cross all barriers of doctrine....Dominion, Replacement/reconstruction Theology..It does appeal to "man" or should I say the 6's.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/07


MikeM: I agree in the sense that Sabbatarians and Jews have more to fear from the False Prophet (Apostate Protestantism) than they do from Rome. But be wary the Vatican is the richest nation on earth and has tremendous economic power. She's the only Church with an embassy and diplomatic corps. She influences doctrines and political policy. Look at how often US Presidents now visit to have an audience with the first beast.
---TS on 5/22/07


Brother Elder, I was tempted to respond to Kahtr's remarks this morning with my emotions and did write three comments to her, but I knew in my heart if I did hit send, it would only accomplish what she hopes her comments accomplish. To stir the emotions of others when they don't agree with her views. You don't have to explain to her or anyone that the duty of every believer is to work for the cause of Christ, whether in politics or just in life.
---mark on 5/22/07


Elder: Yes it is important to preach the Love of God, shown through His Son Jesus Christ who died for our sin, and those who come to Him will not have to worry about God's wrath. Those in Christ will be taken out of this world before the wrath of God comes. Our job is to make sure as many get into the ARK as possible. Noah didn't try to save the planet, or get involved in his government either. He heard God's voice, built that ARK, because he knew God's wrath was coming.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/07


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Mars: you are every bit as snide as those who Noah probably preached to as well. You see their end don't you!
---kathr4453 on 5/22/07


#2. The very first thing I look for when someone answers, is their intend. That gives credence to what the subject is about. When that intention is not for Christ, it is because of what they want to make known to everyone about a particular person. In their heart the motive is wrong from the start. My intention for answering to you, is for you to not respond to her. You do not have to prove anything to any of us. We know you speak for the truth and work for the truth. That is already a given.
---mark on 5/22/07


#3. Just look at the people that responded to you, TS, from the SDA's, MikeM, who believes the Christian faith is a farce. I am surprise 1 Cliff has not join. It is the same with me and Daphne, when we answer, the same thing come from Kathr. Never for the glory of God. What's more important to them is that they are considered believable. We all have a duty for bringing Scripture, no matter the way. It is everyone's duty as Christians, to fight for the Gospel of Christ no matter where.
---mark on 5/22/07


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