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Obedience To Authority

How far should we have obedience to authority? To our pastor, teachers, boss, friends or?

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You should never obey authority if it goes against God's word. Also, you don't have to obey a someone who has set themselves up in authority that they don't even have. For example, if the mayor were to tell you how many children you should have he would be excercising authority he doesn't even have. But in city government he does have authority and we are told to obey, pray, and honour him, as we are all authorities.
---john on 2/4/08

The purpose of Government is to protect the life, liberty and property of all individuals, by punishing evildoers and encouraging the Righteous. When governing rulers ever fail to do this, then they themselves are resisting the ordinances of God and are illegitimate Authorities who should be resisted and replaced.
---catherine on 6/4/07

Obedience within reason.
---anonymous on 5/25/07

Those who have the most obedience to God have the most authority. Compare everyone in question to this criteria and everything will fall into place.
---Anthony on 5/20/07

**Dogma is a demaguges best friend. **

Baloney. Dogma means revealed truth.

Example: Jesus Christ is true God and true man, risen from the dead.
---Jack on 5/19/07

oKE; "you choose who to put in authority over you" Correct. I choose to believe God as 'per the dictated of my conscience'-not do the imposition of someones elses will, 'claiming to be with the 'spiritual high command.' Do to micro history, I'm fearful of demagogues, autocratics who claim such authority.

The historical "religious" figures, from various religions claimed to 'be of God' claiming resisting them was 'rebellion.' Twisting scripture is the oldest trick, in the book.
---MikeM on 5/17/07

MikeM, you choose who to put in authority over you. You make the choice, even with God. But you need to stick to your end of the bargain afterward. Some choices however have important consequences or benefits. But you don't need to put any "religious" figure in authoriy, if he or she is not your spiritual leader, until you yourself come to the understanding of the value of any such figures. You may not value a man of God I value, because you see him differently. But I can't impose that on you.
---Okebaram on 5/17/07

John; "Not submitting is rebellion."

John; Then I am in good company, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, George Washington, etc etc etc. If your issue is with them, I will pay for a ticket to England for you.

"It's commanded to you by God to submit"- Balony! Dogma is a demaguges best friend. How many demagogues, despots have come haver come done the pike saying 'God says to submit to me!" Balony!
---MikeM on 5/17/07

John; "Rebellion against tyrannts is obedience to God!"-Thomas Jefferson

"Go thou and declare liberty throughout the land"-Joshua, (Imprinted on the Liberty bell)

king George 3 quoted Heb:13 as did so many other potentates, Roman pontiffs, and other despots. The scriptures also say, "Slaves be obedient to your masters" Thus you theology would solidly place American abolutionist 'in rebellion.' The list of those I share company with grows.
---MikeM on 5/17/07

Susie; "Many cults have arisen when people contest the authority of the Bible" Then by your definition America is a cult as well, as we are 'governed' by the constitution, a secular document. American pluralism has allowed the flowering of so many religions, beliefs, I celebrate that. BTW,Sola scriptora was a man made concept, coined by Luther. Cult seems to mean, "All are false but me and thee, and sometimes I worry about thee."
---MikeM on 5/17/07

John: I was once given a 'list of 15 books' by a pastor that were on a forbidden list, ABSOLUTLY no youth were to read, reading them was 'rebellion.' With the list I went to the library, and read everyone of them. They also burned 'rebellious' books. Someone else in history burned books.
I am a poor speller, I my apology, but very young I learned to spell Demagogue correctly, and dogma is a demagogues best friend.
---MikeM on 5/17/07

our obidience first is too God and his word.then we are to submitt to all authority over us aka our leaders,not blindly.then to our shepherd,aka pastor.any submitting in this world is done under the word of God love.obeying is not a natural instinct,just watch,or remember your toddlers,and watch or remember your teens.
---tom2 on 5/17/07

Many cults have arisen when people contest the authority of the Bible. Joseph Smith did this when he said all churches were wrong and he needed to restore the "true" church. He decided to lower women to property again and begin having more than one wife. Brigham Young took the group to Utah so they wouldn't have to worry about any of the laws. When they wanted statehood, they "suddenly" recognized the laws of the land and banned polygamy on paper yet practiced it secretly.
---Susie on 5/17/07

MikeM. Heb.13:7 and 17 Speaks of spiritual leaders who have a responsibility to care for you as they will have to give an account for you. It also teaches your responsibility to submit to them. Not submitting is rebellion. The same as the indignant fundamentalist told you.
---john on 5/17/07

MikeM. No, it's not up to authority to prove anything to you, It's commanded to you by God to submit. They don't have to prove a thing to you. It's you who needs to do the proving, not them. You even have to submit to the moderator of this blog and he doesn't have to prove a thing to you.
---john on 5/17/07

OKe: Its up to those who claim they have authority, secular or religious to convince me they are in authority over me, or else I will dismiss them as demagogues, and I will strive to expose them as such. America was founded by fanatics who rejected Clergy/royality who claimed, using the Bible,Romans 13, that 'kings and Queens rule by divine right!" Americas founders said balony! One founder said, "If they rule by divine authority then let them rule in heaven but they will not rule me!"
---MikeM on 5/16/07

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The bible tells us that our Pastor (shepherd) has authority over the congragation (sheep). If married, the husband has authority over the wife. My beliefs on this, an Elderly has more authority over me, if that person is a true child of God. We should have respect for all.
---Rebecca_D on 5/16/07

Now Sammy, Anyone can quote scripture for their own purpose, to support anything. Define, if possible how I have 'departed' from scripture, please, just one wee example. Reaching above personal attacks is not possible for a few, Sammy.

All Religion by its nature is subjective, science deals with objective evidence.

Thomas Jefferson, whats the issue? Not a bad role model. If asked to leave i will, 2,3 ask me to leave- I will.
---MikeM on 5/16/07

Sammy; The thread is about authority. As to the people I study with I pound them with tough question, like photon torpedios at a starship. When they do not have the answers, they find them, this is unique. I respect that, they are tenacious, that displays real strength in their faith. That alone showed substance.

As a boy,teen when I asked questions, the asking itself was called 'rebellion' by indignant fundamentalist clergy. The same disposition seems no different 20 years later. Am I wrong?
---MikeM on 5/16/07

Jack, good point! In America the standerd is subjective. in Americas protestantism is, 'everyone is their own church.' One-person, a Bible=a Church. That is the authority, thue every intrepretation valid. Who lays claim to apostolic 'authority'? The Roman Church and a 'few' other religions.

I say anyone can submit, be led by anyone with charisma and Bible, don't ask me to. Some demagogues just like to use Romans 13 to control others, and some like to be led around by the nose.
---MikeM on 5/16/07

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If you are punished for doing good, God will reward you. If you are unable to get justice from man, God will give you justice. If you kill, steal, rape, lie, ect. you deserve to be punished. Bite the dust. And while you are at it, have a pleasant night.++
---catherine on 5/16/07

**i go along with the leader, if the leaders departs from the scripture, what do I depart from, scripture, or leader?'**

And what's the standard for the leader following the scripture, Mike. YOUR interpretation of them? Or what?
---Jack on 5/16/07

john, I obeyed authority over me in 2004 until she was fired, one year later. We are to submit as Joseph submitted to the authority placed over him and if it's evil authority, then submit yourself to GOD and work like you're working for the Lord and God will protect you and deliver you out. Do everything as if you're doing it for the Lord.
---donna on 5/16/07

John-"But in city government he does have authority and we are told to obey, pray, and honour him, as we are all authorities"

I Disagree, some fellow once wrote,

"All civil authority that does not derive itsource from the consent of the governed has no legal rights, and is to be overthrown by any means possible."-Thomas Jefferson
---MikeM on 5/16/07

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A pastor's authority extend to the overseeing of our souls.That's it. He cannot dictate anything in my home, family, work and so forth. He can give advice on these things but that's it.It's up to me/spouse whether to use this advice. Same for other authority figures in our lives. Teacher, teach me...that's it. In turn, we respect each other. Boss. I give you a full days work for a full days pay. On the job I follow your rules etc..when I am done at work. That's it!
---Robyn on 5/16/07

Jed, Mike, and John covered it but I just want to say: OBEY GOD!! READ THE BIBLE!! while it is still legal. Follow traffic laws. Do not rob stores, people ,banks or houses. Do not buy, sell or use drugs. Pay your taxes. Do not plant bombs. Do not assault or murder people. Do not extort. Do not drink poison or neglet other warnings of danger on labels. Wear helmets in states that require them. Do not leave small children alone. .....bla...bla...bla
---jody on 5/16/07

It's very simple. Obey those in authority, given preference according to authority. In order words, if two instructions from two people in authority contradict, go with the one from the person with higher authority. If there is no contradiction, obey the instruction! If what is asked is not fair to you or someone else, object respecfully. Sometimes certain things are more important than authority, and therefore overrule such.
---Okebaram on 5/16/07

...If contradicting instructions come from parties with equal authority, discuss a compromise as an objection. Now the question is: how do you rank authority? Of course, God is highest in authority, your parents are somewhere up there--higher than teachers or mentors, who are also up there. Your pastor is higher than your sunday school teacher. And at work, you already know the seniority of your managers and supervisors. :)
---Okebaram on 5/16/07

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I never considered a friend an authority figure in my life. First time hearing this. I do not want a friend to be my authority, first of all. I have many friends and we just respect each other, support each other, love each other. Do whatever to maintain the friendship. If we need advice we try to be a help to each other in that area, as well. Now-if he/she is in a position of authority over me I would treat them as such. Like a supervisor at work, church leader. I would respect their position. Sure.
---Robyn on 5/16/07

MikeM., you might as well face it,
you've already taken a total departure from Scripture. Now we've posted enough Scripture to float a cruiseliner, but you can't handle the truth. You have not been able to address anything about your mormon religion, with any proof whatsoever.
You'll give us more Thomas Jefferson and fundamentalist hatred. We're the city dump for your mind and heart.
---sammy on 5/16/07

Why do you want to hang with the Christans?
When you argue, what you've called studying with the mormons, do they tell you to accept everything by faith. And if there is something you question, do they say, you just don't have the full understanding yet?
Or when you carry on, do they walk off and leave you standing there?
---sammy on 5/16/07

Obey God. Obedience is better than sacrifice.
We are to respect those in authority, but not to the point of sin that would cause you spiritual death.
I respect those that have been on the blogs a long time, but I'm not going to follow any false doctrine they're teaching to the point of spiritual death. Their approval of me or friendship is not important at all.
I'm here for Biblical and Christ-like replies.
---Jed on 5/16/07

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In the end days, some will be martyred for their belief in Jesus Christ.
If you were given the choice to dodge the bullet by renouncing Jesus Christ, obey authority or face death - your faith in Jesus Christ will need to be stronger. If you can be swayed by dominating false teachers, how much more will you be swayed by dominating false leaders?
The battleground is in the mind, if you're not geared up correctly, you could fall completely, forever.
---Jed on 5/16/07

I heard a saying. 'If the leader goes along with the scriptures, i go along with the leader, if the leaders departs from the scripture, what do I depart from, scripture, or leader?'
---MikeM on 5/16/07

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