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Giants After The Flood

Why did the giants survive the flood? Why were they still in the land, scaring the Israelites from going into the promised land?

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I am Roman Catholic. A theory we have is not all of the giants were killed in the flood. Goliath was the last one however and he died so there are no giants alive anymore. God kept Goliath alive to use him for David? It makes sense to me. Trust in God's plan my friend.

God be with you
---Peter on 2/17/10


in the days of Saul and young David, there were also other parts of the world, like Saxxony and the orient. The average height of men then was about 4'9". Men from the North were about 5'6". An average viking was 5'9". The giants you were probably refering to were the Nephilem in Genesis. Angel half breeds. and ALL was destroyed by the flood.
---lisa on 3/20/09


Trav, the whole of Scripture is a design plan of God, not just one part. And universal theology has nothing to do with Universal flood. The topics are completely different.
You don't believe all came from Noah's family after the flood, whom else do you know of that servived the flood and can you give Scripture where it mentions that many come from those who you know? Plus you did not answer about Genesis 6:17.
---MarkV. on 3/19/09


Trav, let me say I had a hard time trying to understand what you said. You didn't respond to all my questions. And if you did I sure didn't know what you said with both of your post.
---MarkV. on 3/18/09
Have you exercised on "erets". Might see some light on subject.
The only one I didn't address is Gospel Spouters. Who have a form of Gospel contrary to core scripture.
I did not address this to U before you get ruffled.....you ask,consider and would direct your beliefs accordingly. I've said as much from beginning post.
The opposite are addressed by scripture.
But reject profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
1 Timothy 4:6-8
---Trav on 3/18/09


Trav it would help if you read the Bible!

Genesis Ch.7: 19 part :

KJV, AKJV, NKJV, ASV, Douay, Websters,Youngs 'under the whole heaven'

NASB 'everywhere under the heavens'

NIV 'under the entire heavens' as quoted to you.

Whole, entire~ both mean the same.

Trav the Bible is God's word, His History, His reaching out to us, not man's word, from man's perspective, trying to explain God. God pursues man not the other way around.

Certainly (for obvious necessity) He describles things as we would see them, but He does not lie.

Proof? There is no verse in Scripture which says otherwise. All support that which I have written.

Accept you are wrong, and God is right.
---Warwick on 3/18/09




Trav I will say it again. God used 'mabbul', to describe only this flood. However even in living memory we have seen massive floods which have caused large-scale destruction and death.

So thinking in your terms God therefore got it wrong, or lied.
---Warwick on 3/16/09

You saying it again only puts emphasis on fact you've interpreted Global. You've provided nothing defining.
1. All living (locally) could have meant in a local area. Needing it global for doctrine U say..global.
2. U R Considering "only" global. We've seen flooding. But, not on Noah's flood scale or more importantly on his lineage wiping them out. Covenant was made with NOAH and his own. GOD doesn't lie. Evident by covenants ignored.
---Trav on 3/18/09



1. As we know not everyone is saved.

2. You said, after their generations in their nations, of course, it didn't happen the moment they got out of the boat.
---MarkV. on 3/18/09

Mark, Your correct in your understanding...Universal Noah, is foundation of your interpretation. If all men came from Noah. They didn't.
Who did GOD make covenants with? Do you suggest GOD did not have a plan from Noah forward? I know he did from Adam forward.

2. O.k. so it took ten years. 30 years, 40, 50, 100. Civilizations march right though flood period leaving records.
---Trav on 3/18/09


That's right God destroyed all life under the heavens (and in vs 19 'entire heavens') but you say it was local. ---Warwick on 3/16/09

Interesting. You quoted scripture from somewhere and added the word "entire". Not in any version except yours.

Meanings below. Viewed especially from their perspective it would be the "sky" they were under. H8064

sha & #770,mayim sha & #770,meh
shaw-mah'-yim, shaw-meh'
The second form being dual of an unused singular, from an unused root meaning to be lofty, the sky (as aloft, the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve): - air, X astrologer, heaven (-s).
---Trav on 3/18/09


Trav, let me say I had a hard time trying to understand what you said. You didn't respond to all my questions. And if you did I sure didn't know what you said with both of your post.
The flood been Universal does not say a person believes in Universalism. Universalism theology speaks on behalf of everyone in the world been saved. As we know not everyone is. The flood has nothing to do with that doctrine.
You said, after their generations in their nations, of course, it didn't happen the moment they got out of the boat.
And the answer that Warwich just gave was one I was going to ask you about, what do you have to say about that? Gen. 6:17 "all life under heaven"
---MarkV. on 3/18/09


JOHN the giants as described in Genesis had nthinhing to do with the pure human race. yers there is a human race and white an black are equal and all the subdivisions between them. NO they had not the Genesis Giant blood in them. the GIANTS OF DAVID WHERE MERELY HUMANS that grew much bigger. since all ghot killed through wars etc. at the end all the little people remained.
---Andy on 3/18/09




Andy I think it better to use 'kind' rather than specie/s. In Genesis God writes He created the various creatures to reproduce after their own 'kind.' As I understand it this means He created kinds e.g.dog, cat, each capable of great variety. In reality we can have creatures of the same kind which can no longer interbreed, so considered different 'species.' The same kind but different species.

You are right God brough to Noah representatives of the various creatures, as I say 'kinds'. He therefore didn't bring 2 Dobermans, 2 Cattle Dogs, etc but 2 of the dog kind. Not a massive number of creatures.

In Indonesia the common peoples cats and dogs don't eat meat as it is too expensive, and survive well.
---Warwick on 3/16/09


Trav I will say it again. God used 'mabbul', to describe only this flood. He promised He 'would never again destroy all living creatures, as I have done' Gen. 8:21. However even in living memory we have seen massive floods which have caused large-scale destruction and death.

So thinking in your terms God therefore got it wrong, or lied.

God said Genesis 6:17 ... to destroy all life under the heavens, Hebrew Samiyim. That's right God destroyed all life under the heavens (and in vs 19 'entire heavens') but you say it was local. How can we have a local flood under 'the entire heavens?' We cannot.
---Warwick on 3/16/09


do you know that if one takes a male and a female of each SPECIE, how many animals would be on the boat?
2 dogs, not twothousand, two bears not twohundred, two horses, no pony's zebras etc. two cows not the sae two hundres subspecies tw sepents, two spiders two ants two bees, two reptiles and so forth. yet for that idea one needs to believe that species may evolve in their own kind. further if all animals would be infants. lioncups do not nessecary need meat, neither do bearcups etc. if one takes all this in account it could easely be. beyond that,
---Andy on 3/16/09


Lets not forget that the 8 people from the flood had genes from the entire human race in therm and they could throw a giant because of this, even hundreds of years later.
---john on 3/16/09


1. What proof do you have? Please give Scripture.
---MarkV. on 3/12/09
1. Mentioned "erets" look up context of word over 1200 times.
After flood, descendants of Shem, Ham, and Japheth traveled and settled in various countries. "By these were the isles [coastlands] of Gentiles DIVIDED in their lands, every one after their tongues, after their familes, in their nations...These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations in their nations: and by these were the nations DIVIDED in the erets after the flood" (Gen. 10:5, 32). Now, if flood had drowned all but eight, we have existence of these nations to which Noah's descendants migrated and was "divided" by them?
Cont'd
---Trav on 3/16/09


3. How does a local flood glorify God?
4. How can believing in a Universal flood be connected with "Universalism theology"? ---MarkV. on 3/12/09
3. How does it not glorify? Sodom and Gomorrah was localized. Pharoah's Egyptian problem's were localized. It is a specific people and problem that is the context in each case. Why should this be different? Universalism. 4. Uni-flood is totally necessary for the doctrine of universalism to support all have come from Noah. So many holes in this doctrinal boat that it won't float.
Greater faith is required for truth. Truth cannot bear,wear or abide untruth.
He shall reward evil unto mine enemies: cut them off in thy truth.
Psalm 54:4-6
---Trav on 3/16/09


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Trav Mabbul' used only of this catastrophe.

If local then God lied as He said He would never again send such a flood. Local floods are a common event.
---Warwick on 3/10/09
1. I've Posted a word used contextually as localized over 1200 times. Erets. You post mabbul. Telling what we know already....a flood. Again, what is not said speaks loudest.

Mabbul (Hebrew) A flood, deluge, inundation. "Esoterically, periodical outpourings of astral impurities on to the earth, periods of psychic crimes and iniquities, or of regular moral cataclysms"

2. GOD never has flooded as large a sq mile area again. As promised. Adams line, Israels line would never be totally destroyed by water....or any other means.
---Trav on 3/16/09


Neither insects or seeds had to be taken. Remember this is God's flood, He is in control.
---Warwick on 3/10/09

He can do what he wants with wants on any scale, large or medium. Unfortunately its magnum or none for some.

Seed and insects. Fictional SALTwater flood of the mangnitude you need, would kill by water pressure alone all seed. All trees. All grasses. Might have a coconut or two left. In the months following the flood majority of floating seed would rot or absorb excess moisture and explode....with no where to germinate. Except in fantasy land.

Insects...woodpeckers...termites, well, kind of explains itself as well,. Google all insect requirements for a year if necessary. In or out of Boat.
---Trav on 3/16/09


Noah and his family were ALL giants. They also lived for hundreds of years. People began to grow smaller and lifespans shortened greatly after the flood. Perhaps it was because they began to eat meat for the first time.
---jerry6593 on 3/14/09


Where does Scripture say the giants in the promised land were people whose ancestors were not destroyed in the flood.
---Warwick on 3/14/09


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Andy, you are very cool! Thanks, and God bless!
---JohnnyB on 3/13/09


JohnyB. maybe the japanese are descendants of the Giants, they als like raw fish. and what is the onnection between the LA GIANTS and the giants? where they also American Footbalplayers?
---Andy on 3/13/09


If the Giants survived the flood, they must have been Olympian swimmers, and they must have eaten a lot of raw fish! God bless you.
---JohnnyB on 3/12/09


If there was only a local flood and we are all decsending from different parrents as trav and his evolutionary teachings show. (as exampkle the Chinese are supposedly a mixed gender between homo sapien sapien (formerly known as homo not so sapien)and another neanderthalerlike (sorry forgot the name of that supossedly species) asiatic species evoluted from a type of baboons, then by all means LONG LIVE THE SOUTH(sarcasm here) they where right al allong send those stupid niggers back to the cotonfields. yet if we are all from one father and have all the same mother what is my brothers blood doing on my hands? and how will i not fall in the hands of the righteous judge.
---Andy on 3/12/09


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Trav, I am willing to listen to what you have to say so I am asking from the points you gave,
1. Why do you say it never happened, the flood been Universal? What proof do you have? Please give Scripture.
2. What are Gospel Spouters?
3. How does a local flood glorify God?
4. How can believing in a Universal flood be connected with "Universalism theology"? Which is a complete different topic.

I read Milton Terry's explanation for a local flood, in his book, "Biblical Hermeneutics" but even he doesn't give any passages to confirm what he is saying is true, only gives his opinion.
---MarkV. on 3/12/09


I am not in agreement with a God caused Noah era global flood where only eight persons were saved as one apostle claims.
The point of entry where confusion springs is how others survived,namely the population of people who had giantism characteristics who inhabited or occupied a territory and possessed the land they lived on.
This story lacks credibility.


The land possessed was filled to capacity as to compare to an infestation of grasshoppers.
I do believe that Noah and family once lived and built a large vessel and survived a local flood.However,this statement is based on knowledge gained and interpreted from non biblical sources that I find credibility in.


---earl on 3/11/09


Trav, I did not understand what your point was but if you are against a Universal flood can you give the reasons? .
---MarkV. on 3/9/09

1. It never happened universally. Which makes it false to say that it did.
2. Story creates a sticking point of belief for those who are wary of so called, Gospel spouters. I know, I was one. And I'm complete now in my wariness.
3. Flood story is true...and should be told in the context it happened in glorifying GOD.
4. It is a doctrine of universalism. If all men sprang from Noah. Can be proven they did not. Which upsets many against any additonal truth....which clouds,dims,neutralizes their testimony further in stubborness.
Continued with study info later
---Trav on 3/11/09


Trav I asked you to supply 'Biblical' evidence for a local flood. I am sure you realize there is none. Conversely reading Genesis 6-8 makes it very clear the flood was global. Jesus and the apostles also believed it was global. It was given its own name Mabbul' used only of this catastrophe.

If it was local then God lied as He said He would never again send such a flood. Local floods are a common event.

More than 75% of the worlds surface is covered in sedimentary rock, often to great depths, packed with billions of fossils, including all those you mentioned, and more. Haven't you read about the world-wide fossil record?
---Warwick on 3/10/09


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Trav,God brought Noah 2 of every 'kind' of creature not 2 of every species. There is no way you could know how many species existed at that time.

There is not room here to cover the issue but your figures are way out. The scientist Dr John Woodmorappe wrote a book 'Noah's Ark a Feasibility Study' Published by ICR. He has calculated that about 16,000 animals had to be taken on board. Neither insects or seeds had to be taken. Remember this is God's flood, He is in control. If He can make us I'm sure He can take care of His seeds, and insects.

You can also read about this and other vital topics in The Creation Answers Book-Google it.

There was pleanty of room on the ark for all the creatures and food.
---Warwick on 3/10/09


Trav, I did not understand what your point was but if you are against a Universal flood can you give the reasons? Or if you are for a local flood, can you give the reasons? In every case the writer of Scripture writes either through what he see's or what God sees, so how do you know what interpretation to take? It's easy for you to just say, Doctrines of man, but that has nothing to do with interpretation in Hermeneutics. When Job was speaking, the writer many times was speaking for what Job was going through and his sufferings, it had nothing to do with God. He was speaking through his own eyes, not the eyes of God.
---MarkV. on 3/9/09


If the phrases "all flesh died" and "all high hills were covered" are understood looking through the eyes of God, it would imply a Universal flood.
---MarkV. on 3/6/09
Looking through the eyes of GOD?
You are choosing a doctrinal foundation by a many times translated copy of scriptures by many men. Approved by men.

Doctrine you do not want to leave. Called Universalism ,Catholic.
Shes lured many a pilgrim in her bed. br>Bread of deceit is sweet to a man, but afterwards his mouth shall be filled with gravel.
Proverbs 20:16-18
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:33-35
Hebrews 4:12
---Trav on 3/9/09


Trav/Andy, you both have good points. The reason why I gave the two reasons. All through history man have gone back and forth. If the phrases "all flesh died" and "all high hills were covered" are understood looking through the eyes of God, it would imply a Universal flood. If the writer was writing from what he saw through his own eyes, then it would be a local flood. I said the traditional interpretation is Universal. I read where Milton Terry believes that the flood was Local and since many read his material, they believe it so. As for me I believe the writer wrote through the eyes of God, or as a direct spokeman for God. A Universal flood.
---MarkV. on 3/6/09


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Trav you wrote 'Probably because the flood was not global, but in a localized area.'

Question Please tell me what Biblical evidence leads you to believe the flood was local. Chapter and verse please.
---Warwick on 3/3/09
If there was a worldwide flood....there would be a world wide sedimentary layer. There is not. If there was we would find every animal,man,insect,seed,pollen etc in this band. We don't. There are sedimentary levels of ash, glacial,tropical all through the time lines you need to be one Global band of sediment.
There were Civilizations that left writings in stone through this period. Artifacts dated.
---Trav on 3/5/09


Why did God command to take two animals of eevery kind in the boat?
again, if the flood was local, Is the BIBLE LYING or simply WRONG,
---Andy on 3/4/09

I find no lies from GOD. I find interpreters who...didn't lie either but put the limits of their/our word knowledge into translations of the original. Erets, being the key word.
There was not cubic room on the Ark for all the Animals of the time. Additionally the food.
8 people.+food
230,000 clean known animals+ food
330,000 non clean + food
Appx 2million insects + food.
Additonally all known Pods,Seed,nuts. Yes, water and pressure would have rotted, killed all plant life.
Would require 30-40 Arks.
Polar bears, lions etc eat meat...don' forget.
---Trav on 3/5/09


I agree it is annoying how easily some 'Christians' will disregard God's word because of mans falible, changing opinions.
---Warwick on 3/4/09
Andy,since the above was directed to you I'll point out that the below is not. It applies to rock rollers, pit builders & hedge breakers.
The rock missed wwk.
Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him.
Proverbs 26:26-28

He that diggeth a pit shall fall into it, and whoso breaketh an hedge, a serpent shall bite him.
Ecclesiastes 10:7-9
Sea snakes out this time of year?
---Trav on 3/5/09


Trav, if the flood was local, why did God tell noach to build an ark for 120 years, ould he not just tell Noach to ghet out?
furthermore.
this local flood theory really ghets me anoyed.
---Andy on 3/4/09
Annoy's me as well, Andy. The story is not a lie....just misunderstood in our time. We stay with tradition alright...to our own loss of witness.
The approximate location is known. It could have covered over 300,000 sq miles. Walk out of that leading all the known animals of the area. The building of the Ark and the reward is survival of the line underlining, faith. If the generations of Noah were perfect....the the generations of the rest were not.
---Trav on 3/5/09


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The tradional interpretation of these verses has been Universal flood.
---MarkV. on 3/5/09

Statement accurate above. Traditional interpretation. So ingrained, so safe, so many support it.... that it cannot be wrong.

Not calling anyone a Sadducee or Pharisee....but, they also got hung up on traditions/interpretations of words as well. So much so they could not see what should/could have been obvious. A warning to us.
In Traditional, pre flood, biblical world there are just one people limited in number compared to today. Why destroy Alaska? South America, the Philipines? No one there.
---Trav on 3/5/09


Andy, see if this helps, when a bible writer wrote, sometimes they wrote as if looking through the eyes of God, (as spokeman for God) called "noumenological," perticularly in moral matters, but in narrative sections they frequently describe things the way they appear from a human perspective (as reporters) called "phenomenological".
If the context of the flood is understood "noumenological" a universal flood is implied. If these phrases are understood "phenomenological" it is implied a local flood, " meaning, "all the animals that I could observe died."
The tradional interpretation of these verses has been Universal flood.
---MarkV. on 3/5/09


Andy the local-flood group believe so for non-Biblical reasons. Most have accepted long-ages/evolution so are locked into believing the fossil record is a record of death and struggle over billions of years. So cannot believe the flood was world-wide as Genesis Chapters 6-8 say repeatedly-all land-dwelling air breathing creatures perished other than those on the Ark. The creatures buried in sedimentary rock world-wide are the result of God's punishment on a faithless world.

Believing in one they cannot accept the other as world-wide, no matter what Scripture says.

I agree it is annoying how easily some 'Christians' will disregard God's word because of mans falible, changing opinions.
---Warwick on 3/4/09


Trav, if the flood was local, why did God tell noach to build an ark for 120 years, ould he not just tell Noach to ghet out?
furthermore. Why did God command to take two animals of eevery kind in the boat?
again, if the flood was local, Is the BIBLE LYING or simply WRONG, or maybe a bunh of parables.
this local flood theory really ghets me anoyed.
---Andy on 3/4/09


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Trav you wrote 'Probably because the flood was not global, but in a localized area.'

Question Please tell me what Biblical evidence leads you to believe the flood was local. Chapter and verse please.
---Warwick on 3/3/09


Why did the giants survive the flood? Why were they still in the land, scaring the Israelites from going into the promised land? BLOG QUESTION.

Probably because the flood was not global, but in a localized area. Bad ole Goliaths.
The Right Sheep herder can lay one down though. A Lion, a bear....all in a days work.
---Trav on 3/2/09


Question:

Why did the giants survive the flood? Why were they still in the land, scaring the Israelites from going into the promised land?

Giants did not survive the flood.

Goliath was a Giant and you can trace his ansestry back to Genesis 10. That ancestry are those who lived AFTER the flood.


Giants also mean mighty men...men of renoun..powerful . Not necessarily 20' people.

And we have a reference to TALL. I believe the Zulu were tall....then we have pigmees?


Maybe it's all relative.

If i'm 4'2'' and your 7'2"...you would certainly be a giant to me!
---kathr4453 on 3/2/09


Lord,
Praise you for who you are. Speak truth to my heart, if I am in error show me Your truth. Lord, you know my heart and my mind. You know that I am very capable of interpreting Your word incorrectly. Please give me Your Spirit to guide my studies to hear Your voice. In Christ name I pray. Amen
---Thomas on 2/5/08

Thomas. A rare prayer. Required.....to go deep and far, pilgrim.

1 for U 2 Thomas ....answers to answers for...in our Lord of Lords name.
Amen
they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, LORD, hast not forsaken them that seek thee.
Psalm 9:9-11
LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
Psalm 14:1-3
---Trav on 2/27/09


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I did say it should never outweigh scripture. While it is quoted by name in Jude and refered to a few other times not by name, I wouldn't personally allow it to influence me to take a position in contradiction to scripture. Good read though!
---Ken_Rank on 2/26/09


The Ethiopic transcript, who as it is said the most complete work. as it apears to me there are both Essenic and Cabalistic influences inside, and the persons writing Enoh mus at least have been priest of their movement.
---Andy on 2/26/09


Andy, there are three versions of Enoch. Which do you have?

Ken
---Ken_Rank on 2/25/09


Duane Dudley Martin jr. I've read Enoch now up to chapter 35, and it is worse then i thought. chapter 18 is a numeration of Alchimical substances needed for an experiment. chapter 28-32 mentioned al kinds of drugs that help opening the mind. there is torax, opiat and so forth mentioned al these types of drugs used in the right measure provoke a "revelation of the seventh level" witches and wican could explain that is.talking about the giants, the same problem. the giants mentioned would measure about 135 meters high and the fallen angels where bound for about 1750 years. however i only read a third of the entire book, it seems that this is one of the most dangerous documents i've ever read.
---Andy on 2/25/09


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Andy, no argument on Clement. Personally, from the writings Eusebius collected, it would appear that Mark translated Peter into Greek, and Luke translated Paul into Greek.

What is clear, for the Koine Greek bunch out there, the NT was written by Jews who thought from a Hebrew perspective. They quoted the Tanach (OT) constantly, their writing were full of Hebrew idioms and phraseology.
---Ken_Rank on 2/24/09


Andy_Obviously I've read of Clement in the N/T, as for his writings/book/letter,
I haven't read them.

I don't dismiss Clement's writings,
because I haven't read them, that would be ignorant of me to do.

I tell you what though, If I do/did read it,
I would know if it is of God or Man, the Overwhelming power of the Holy Ghost has never led me astray when it comes to who's been influenced by God to write things down.
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 2/24/09


I know I am butting in on the conversation, but ken, can you email me that version of Enoch?
I have often wondered where my family got their height from.
My great great grand father was 7 ft tall.
I am 5'7, and my brothers all but 1 is over 6 ft. Not to mention that the men on my mom's side are over 6 ft tall. I have a few female cousins who are 5'9 and up.
So naturally, this is something I want to learn about especially when I saw this blog.
Anyway, if you can, I would really appreciate it. Anything I can learn when it comes to God is #1..
God Bless you ~
---miche3754 on 2/24/09


Dear Ken, i was actually responding on the Duane Dudley Martin jr. comment: "It's good to hear/see that someone else has read, understood & believed what is written in Gen. & the book of Enoch". As for Clement, it is a bassically independant work, however, Clement must have known personally, or have lived in the same era as Paul. nevertheless since his writings are froma after the death of paul, they are written in another style, and they adress problems other then the ones adressed by Paul, majority disagrees with this point of vieuw you mentioned.
---Andy on 2/24/09


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Andy, my personal view is that Enoch, the Book of the Upright (Jasher), and maybe a couple of others should be read and considered but should NOT out weigh what we have as accepted scripture. If one of those books sheds light on a verse in scripture, great, but make no doctrine from those other books.

As for Clement, some believe he translated the book of Hebrews for Paul from the Hebrew tongue into Greek.

Ken
---Ken_Rank on 2/23/09


Clement is a book that gives counsel to the church of the corinthiens both 1st and second corinthiens are filled with quotations from the old testament and even a ferw quotes ferom pauls letters. if anything, i would rather base any doctrine on Clement then Enoch, however since i did not read it yet i will not say anything.
however, What i did found in the e does imply that too many doubts and conspicions are around this book to accept as vallid doctrine formers.
---Andy on 2/23/09


Andy, there are three vesions of Enoch. I have the one considered most accurate, but I don't remember which of the three it is. I would be happy to e-mail it to you.

If not, there is likely somebody else here who can tell you which of the three is better, or, tonight at bible study I will ask since that is where I got my e-version from.

Ken
---Ken_Rank on 2/20/09


I doubt if Clement of Rome was such a man as Enoch was/is...

In fact, I know he wasn't near as a man of God as Enoch was/is...

Some Christian book stores sell's it, and you can find it online, be careful about the ones online though, ok?
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 2/20/09


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Is there a book of enoch around? i would really like to read this lost book, Anyone ever read Clement of Rome, wher clement takes the example of the Phenix, a bird that rebirths by dying. fat is not everything we readis suposedly true, except of the Bible itself.
---Andy on 2/20/09


I love the book of Enoch,
It's good to hear/see that someone else has read, understood & believed what is written in Gen. & the book of Enoch
(Noahs Gr./Grandpa)that speaks of man/woman in its earliest stages and of the things to come, Praise, Glory & Honor be unto our God
for he is worthy of ALL praise, for he loved his creation(man/woman)SO MUCH, that he had his very Word become Flesh, The 1st Begotten(Yahshua/Jesus)Son of God,
by who's Blood/Death WE/Christians are saved and have become "Son's & Daughters/CHILDREN" of the MOST High(God).
Good Job Ken!
YLBD

Answer to ?, GODS WILL!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 2/19/09


I have read and agree with---Ken_Rank answer to this question.
---mima on 2/19/09


There are still giants today, the average height of the massa is about 1.93 meter manny amongst them are bigger the 2.00 m in america the giants are all known NBA players. problem is that we do not think the ancient way again.

Ken>> Giants were the offspring of the fallen ones and earthly woman. (See Gen 6 and the book of Enoch) While the NBA certainly has it share of tall folks, Og's bed was "about" 13 feet long and close to 6 feet wide. That makes the tallest NBA player look like a dwarf.

Google "Petra" in Google images. While this isn't necessarily a creation of giants, I see no other reason for a 30' doorway.

Ken
---Ken_Rank on 2/19/09


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There are still giants today, the average height of the massa is about 1.93 meter manny amongst them are bigger the 2.00 m in america the giants are all known NBA players. problem is that we do not think the ancient way again.
---Andy on 2/19/09


because not all of the fallen angels had sinned...yet!
---jason on 1/5/09


7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air, for it repenteth me that I have made them. Why would God repenteth of his creation? How did man become so depraved so quickly, and what prevented it from happening immediately after the repopulation of the earth? To be continued
---Thomas on 2/5/08


Lord,
Praise you for who you are. Speak truth to my heart, and if I am in error show me Your truth. Lord, you know my heart and my mind. You know that I am very capable of interpreting Your word incorrectly. Please give me Your Spirit to guide my studies to hear Your voice. In Christ name I pray. Amen
---Thomas on 2/5/08


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Why were their Giants after the flood?
4There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
I read this and see that before the flood and after there were giants due to the sons of God coming in unto the daughters of men.
---Thomas on 2/4/08


This tells me that what ever the sons of God is referring to in this verse are the causes of the giants (Nephilim) both before the flood and after. .

The Bible refers to men and sons of God separately and in the same passage.
The only other place the phrase sons of God is used in the Bible is in describing those redeemed by Christ. This description indicates that we as believers are eternal with God through the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.
---Thomas on 2/4/08


1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
---Thomas on 2/4/08


When we examine this bit by bit we see that when the sons of God took them wives of all which they chose is when God says My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh. This leads me to believe that something has occurred in which the eternal spirit of God has entered the flesh unauthorized and must be put to an end. We know that God told Adam and Eve that they would surely die for their actions.
---Thomas on 2/4/08


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So, hypothetically, if a fallen angel with an eternal spirit were capable of taking a wife of a woman, the offspring would be the culmination of an eternal spirit and flesh. Which would result in Gods plan of redemption through His Son Jesus being void, and Gods word being brought to a lie. It goes on to say, And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
---Thomas on 2/5/08


Giants did not survive the flood. No humans did except those on the ark. There must have been some giant genes in the people who did survive. It's not much different than two white people having a dark baby. It can show up several generations later.
---john on 2/4/08


Just found this blog lookin for information on Google. I have questions on the serpent seed teaching/Nephilim, etc. Cynthia you sound right on. Is it possible to correspond thru e-mail vs only this blog? I'd love to share information with you Cynthia. I will also share with others on this blog. Need to figure out how it works first. Seems easy. Thanks for such an interesting subject. Hope to ttyl.
---Becky on 6/23/07


Mikefl: "Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, & slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, & his brother's righteous." (1 Jn. 3:12)

Your view of 1 Jn. 3:1-13, specifically verse 12, is askew. I think you could use a V-8. :)

Cain was a rebel. He didn't love God. As a result, he rejected God's word & chose to raise hell (serve the devil).

Verse 12 DOES NOT say the devil, thru Eve, fathered Cain. continued...
---Leon on 6/17/07


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Mikefl, cont'd: Verse 12 DOES SAY Cain "chose" to sin & thereby serve Satan. Consequently, the devil (god of this world) reigned in Cain's heart & required him to do his bidding.

"Wherefore [WHY DID HE MURDER ABEL]?" Verse 12 says, "...because his [Cain's] works [activities] were evil [of the devil]...". In a jealous, hard-hearted, hateful rage Cain murdered his brother. In his twisted (serpentine) mind, God's righteousness was wrong. cont'd_2...
---Leon on 6/17/07


Mikefl, cont'd_2: The "seed of God" is God's word (Matt. 13:9-23, Mk. 4:14-24). The "seed of man" only pertains to human procreation (sexual reproduction).
The only link between the two is thru the "seed of man" we're all generated (birthed) into the world. But, thru the "seed of God" whoever chooses to receive the Word/Son of God (the Lord Jesus Christ) can be regenerated, born again into God's kingdom (Matt. 6:10, Lk. 11:2). cont'd_3...
---Leon on 6/17/07


Mikefl, cont'd_3: "All people" are created by God; but, all aren't of God (born again children of God). Indeed, Godly people aren't the same as ungodly people. Sin separates fallen (unregenerated) humanity (mankind) from God.

The seemingly endless genealogies (begats) in the Bible basically show family pedigrees of "humans" who followed God's way & were blessed in contrast to those who served the devil, & their offspring reaped the consequences of their actions. cont'd_4...
---Leon on 6/17/07




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