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Can Salvation Be Lost

John 10:28 states," And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall NEVER PERISH, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." So to believe that you can be saved and lost again is to make a lie out of this scripture. Yes or no? Comments

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Yes I believe that salvation cannot lost. But I have some question that maybe strengthen us or me on depending our faith with these subject if you are pro-eternal security. Are the following verses reminds us about possible lossing our salvation? Mark 3:28-30 and Eph. 4:30. If so then salvation can be lost.
---Noel on 9/5/10

I have one comment. The wrath of God is going to come upon this nation like never before if God's people are not left along so we can serve the true God. Oh you do not believe me. Wait and find out. "Thus saith the Lord". Are you ready for DEATH?
---catherine on 6/29/07

Mark: Thanks for your post. That was excellent! There is a great study Mark on Christ our Surety. I know it will bless you to study deeper the promises of that Surety sealed in the Blood of Jesus Christ.

Frank, yes we have angels looking over us,but Jesus doesn't leave our body when we do private things and give his angels charge,and then enter back in. That is what I was refering to!Christ IN YOU, the hope of Glory! What if the resurrection takes place when you in the bathroom? Will you miss it?
---kathr4453 on 6/22/07

Salvation can never be lost. Once we are sealed with the Holy Spirit, we are guaranteed eternal life. But Christians can and do backslide, sometimes so seriously, that a backslidden believer and non-believer appear exactly the same.
---Gary_L. on 6/22/07

Salvation is a gift from God to all those who glorify his name, repent from their sins and live as an example of Him. Salvation is achieving our goal to live again in his kingdom. If you profess to love Jesus Christ and then live your life in total rebellion to his teachings and commit every abomination you can, you will not receive salvation, you will be cast out. Fact. Except a man repents and turns completely from evil, he will not inherit the kingdom of God. Why do many ignor or deny that scripture.
---ashley on 6/22/07

Kathr, very well put. You got it. Praise the Lord, I pray that others get it too. It is a shame that many people, true Christians are going through so much right now, with devorce, abuse, temptations left and right. Always something happening in this life that we many times don't ask for. We hold on to that faith in Christ that can get us through our problems. Knowing in our hearts, Christ has a reason for what is happening and we are to trust in Him. Some how someway He will make a way out.
---mark on 6/21/07

#2. Kathr: The word Omniscience means "to have all (omni) knowledge (science). When I think of what is said about salvation I am shocked. If Christ holds on to us when we receive that faith, will He then let us lose just because we sinned again? Would He hold on at first knowing well you will sin? He is not surprise we sin since He knows all. He doesn't get any knowledge as time goes by. To Him everything is present. He would be a hypocrite to pretend to hold on to us and later dump us.
---mark on 6/21/07

#3. Kahtr: They are looking at salvation through their eyes and they just don't get it. God doesn't pretend to help and then changes His mind because somehow in time a believer failed. If He already knew you would fail why save you in the first place? How rediculous to even think of God doing that. I just don't understand what God they see. It is not the God of Scripture, who is holy right, and perfect. If He went back on His word what faith could we have since He knows we still live in the flesh?
---mark on 6/21/07

#4. Kathr: And how about sanctification? What good is that? But God who is rich in mercy gives us the Holy Spirit as an assurance of our sanctification since His the one changing us to the image of God. Otherwise there would be no one saved since all sin and come short of the glory of God. No, the false doctrines coming out are so wrong. Another God and another Christ, not the one from Scripture. People need to think, and study for the right reasons. To know the truth for their own lives depends on it.
---mark on 6/21/07

#5. "But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord." 2 Corinthians 3:18. Amen to God and His kindness for giving us the Spirit to transform us.
---mark on 6/21/07

Eph 2:8 grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Salvation and damnation are God's works, not man's.

Rom 9:15 ..I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and pity on whom I will have pity.
16 is not by the desire or by the attempt of man, but by the mercy of God.
18 his pleasure he has mercy on a man, and at his pleasure he makes the heart hard.

Man's actions have no input to his salvation or damnation.
---a_servant on 6/21/07

Eph 2:8 Salvation is a gift
Ro 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.(WEB)
Rom 8:9 . . . ye are . . . in the Spirit, if . . . the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

In order to be saved, God must give you his Spirit.

To now damn you after giving you His Spirit, He would then have to retrieve His Spirit, which He won't because He does not retrieve gifts. He does not lie
---a_servant on 6/21/07

Kathr4453; For one, the carnal mind, or headknowledge cannot perceive spiritual things. To say it can speaks against what Paul wrote and is blasphemy. It is also why so many spiritual things get overlooked or mistaken here.Two, as for as your question about angels; that proves it. Enough said and God bless.
---Frank on 6/21/07

Mark said:*It's sad since many Christians are going through such hard times in their life's right this minute*.

Exactly Mark, and those hard times are for the perfecting and purifying of the Saints. James 1.
What needs to be understood is the difference between those who have faith in Christ and those who don't.
Those who do are being sanctified by the fellowship of His sufferings, and YES we grow in the Grace, Knowledge, Righteousness, and Holiness of HIM.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/07

Mark #2
Those without true faith( Faith in Jesus Christ alone) are trying to sanctify themselves by keeping the law, and thinking this is suffering...they are wrong. Our Life In Christ is ..."until Christ be formed in you" Paul told the Galatians, who where troubled by the lawyers, placing them back under law......
---kathr4453 on 6/21/07

Mark #3:
I find it is very hard, almost impossible, to convey the Truth about the sanctification of dying to self (that only the Holy Spirit in us can bring about) and our obedience to the Holy Spirit as He does this work, and the idea of the legalists who too take "obedience", but that obedience is in a different context.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/07

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Mark #5
Even legalists who know the doctrine of Grace miss the mark,(by self effort) as well as those who are told they are under Grace miss the purpose, because they are taught a me, myself and I Gospel. Everything can be counterfeited except the POWER of the Cross! Head knowledge of the Cross doesn't sanctify you either. When you are in "Personal fellowship of that suffering, that produces not head knowledge but LIFE knowledge...of Christ in you!

Purpose for what? 1 Peter 4! God Bless!
---kathr4453 on 6/21/07

Frank: You said *Most no longer have the Spirit and cannot understand the Spiritual*

Most never had it to begin with... They started with us, but departed, to make manifest they never were to begin with.

Many going through hard don't judge! God knows what He is doing in their life...not you. Headknowledge CAN teach spiritual things. You can read them in books, and so can satan..who can turn Himself into a preacher of Righteousness. It isn't what you know...It's WHO you know!
---kathr4453 on 6/21/07

1 Timothy 6:
5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

6But godliness with contentment is great gain.

7For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

Clear message gain is not Godliness! Godliness is being content with what you already have.
---Matthew on 6/21/07

Can salvation be lost?
Will most believe it or understand?
Most no longer have the Spirit and cannot understand the Spiritual things in the laws and prophets. (which were what the disciples and apostles used having no new testament for the most part) These things glorify Jesus and don't speak of prosperity, eternal security to those who turn, or most of what is taught in the name of Christ today.
---Frank on 6/21/07

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Finally, Jesus own words:
Matthew 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth; but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to cast out, and trodden under foot of men.
He tried to warn Christians not to turn and forsake the Spirit and the blood that would bring eternal heavenly rewards to those who esteem his word above all else. Those blessed are not mentioned in earthly prosperity. They are shown as poor and spiritually blessed!
---Frank on 6/21/07

Paul, there is no judgment for sins to those who are in Christ. There is a judgment for all the unbelievers. Christians receive rewards, unbelievers receive justice. The true Christian is rewarded for his deeds, his righteousness is the righteouness of Christ that covers him. His debt has been paid in full. All other fakes still owe their debt. And let me say, there is many fakers out there. Do not be deceived in believing they are believers, they mix with believers to hide their own intend.
---mark on 6/21/07

Many people make a confession of faith becuase of different reasons. After the last major quake in California many went to church and made a confession, later they just left the church altogether. Many make a confession without ever hearing the word of the gospel. Many people use idea's how to bring people to Christ without the word of God. This people that come forward are not saved. They are pretenders, but time reveals they never were truthful with a contrite heart.
---mark on 6/21/07

Have some lost their salvation already?
Joshua 24:20 If ye foresake the Lord, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good.
Why wont most Christians believe this?
Nehemiah 13:24 And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people.
---Frank on 6/21/07

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What is the Jews' language that the mainstream doesn't understand?
1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath preapared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
How can we tell who speaks the Jews' language in spiritual things pertaining to Christ? Mysteries, that which glorifies him, etc?
---Frank on 6/21/07

11 For what man knoweth the things of man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

The Spirit will not speak of the things of this world. The spirit of man cannot comprehend the spiritual things of God as the spirit of man does not speak the Jews' language to glorify Jesus.
---Frank on 6/21/07

can salvation be lost yes if you lose the spirit of god or if you back slide salvation never excsited by all sinners=== ===for christions salvation lives on in heaven for all eternirty and in our hearts for ever
---andy on 6/20/07

If someone thinks they can disobey God's comandments and not be punished, they are wrong. They will find on judgment day, they will spend eternity seperated from God! Be safe and live by God's comandments. Why take the risk of spending eternity in Hell? It's forever!
---Paul on 6/20/07

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I personally don't believe someone can just lose their salvation because of some sin that they battle. What Christ did for us on the cross is more than sufficient to cover our sins. But once we are saved we cannot then just go and live however we want!
---maryj9396 on 6/20/07

God's spirit clearly says that in the last days many people will turn from their faith. So why are you teaching the opposite? Men must be hardened, and their consciences seared, before they can depart. A sign of the latter days. So again, Why are you teaching the opposite? Satan is always so busy.
---catherine on 6/20/07

Barney, Have you notice the same people that speak on obedience are the same people that never admit to Salvation by the death of Christ on the Cross? If they do mention the sacrafice they add, "but" or "If" to go alone with God's message. Always adding their works, as if others don't do works but they do. How easy they use the word of God to tell others they are sinning when they themselves sin. No faith in the Atonement. Mixing truth with their own works of righteousness.
---mark on 6/20/07

#2. Barney: Just take the passage John 10:28, "I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish." One simple passage and they add "but" or if you do not do this or that, that eternal is really not eternal. They twist Scripture every way they can adding their own works to God's Word. How sad it is, since they have to take some credit together with God. Believing that sinning you will lose salvation once you have it,
---mark on 6/20/07

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#3. Barney: What is really amazing is that in their lives they will sin many times, but want everyone to think they are more holy then everyone else because they teach obedience. We don't need to be told about obedience since the whole New Testament is about obedience and the conduct of the believer. But never for the loss of salvation. It's sad since many Christians are going through such hard times in their life's right this minute.
---mark on 6/20/07

#4. Barney: What those people really need that are on a down side, is encourgement, a hope that Christ will always be there for them, and that no matter what the problem is He will never abandom them, but will make a way out of their problems. No, in there case they condemn those who are struggling in life. They should praise God that they are not in the same conditions as those people are. Be thankful for what they have.
---mark on 6/20/07

Matthew: AMEN Matthew! That brought God's Grace even more into focus. Thanks for posting the verse before!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/20/07

Kathr-Titus 2:12
teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,

I would just like to put the passage before it =).

Titus 2:
11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

It's a wonderful look at God's grace.
---Matthew on 6/19/07

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To atain eternal life we must all finish our course like Paul. There are conditiones to receiving eternal life. God made a covenent with us. We must obey Him.
---paul on 6/19/07

You're teaching false doctrines under all of your names.
The Scripture says we are to expose false teaching in the Church.
---Barney on 6/19/07

Barney: I am not an Adventist or SDA. I don't recall using Babylon, but scripturally/spiritually Babylon refers to the one world Church and one world Government that this Great Apostasy is welcoming with open arms. I don't know who you are, maybe a Mormon I've offended, or a Hinnite who also is promoting the New Agers movement with the unholy spirit. Is that your gripe? I don't go along with that teaching!!!!!You keep saying I don't believe in the Holy Spirit. I couldn't be Born Again without Him!!! da!
---kathr4453 on 6/19/07

Does Barney OBJECT to this teaching? If not Barney...why are you persecuting me???

2 Timothy 3:12
Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.

Titus 2:12
teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,
---kathr4453 on 6/19/07

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Have you ever noticed Barney/Mars behavior towards kathr?

Inflected Form(s): -cuted; -cuting
to pursue, from per- through + sequi to follow -- more at SUE
1 : to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief
2 : to annoy with persistent or urgent approaches (as attacks, pester :to have an obsession
---kathr4453 on 6/19/07

Barney and Mark:
Considering we are in the greatest Apostasy ever, with so many saying they are saved by Grace, yet know NOTHING about the Cross. No, we don't earn Grace or salvation, but there is evidence of those who are Born Again.
Prosperity teaches cheap grace!!!!! I doesn't require anything but to keep you in your flesh crying me, myself and I!!!
Get a grip with your false accusations!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/19/07

1 Tim6:11
But you,O MAN OF GOD, flee these things and PURSUE righteousness, godliness, faith,love, patience, gentleness.

2 Timothy 2:22
Flee also youthful lusts;but PURSUE righteousness, faith,love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
Hebrews 12:14
PURSUE peace with all people,and HOLINESS, without which no one will see the Lord:

I'm Guilty as charged by believing AND OBEYING it!! SHAME SHAME ON ME!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/19/07

Adam and Eve believed the lie that they would not die for disobeying Gods comandment. The Children of Israel were promised the Promised Land. Most of them never seen it because of disobedience. Below are just a few of the scriptures that warn us that we must obey God.

1 John 1:6-9, 1 John 2:3, Hebrews 3:14, 1 John 1:6, Hebrews 10:26-27
---Paul_Rusnak on 6/19/07

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Cheap grace, false doctrine.
Kathr teaches - refers to as "cheap grace"

One almost universal characteristic of cult groups is their extremely harsh criticism of the church in general. Kathr's views and argumentation are some form of fundamental holiness.

Cheap grace/false doctrines tells others get out from underneath leadership that has allowed a grace message that gives people a license to sin.
---Barney on 6/19/07

I don't know of any Bible-teaching, grace-believing churches who give people a "license to sin." This "come-out-of-Babylon" rant does not reflect a sincere desire to encourage Christian holiness as much as it reflects Kathr's contempt for the teaching of the trinity. Kathr is in bad company; another characteristic of cults is their propensity to refer to the churches contemptuously as "Babylon."
---Barney on 6/19/07

Adventists of all stripes, consider themselves to be that faithful remnant, as do the Jehovahs Witnesses and other pseudo-Christian sects. All of them have believed themselves to be "restoring true Christianity" to the world after it was "lost" by the big bad church at some point in Christian history. Kathr looks to be jumping into that leaky rowboat hoping to restore that "true remnant" just one more time. Will you be joining Kathr?
---Barney on 6/19/07

Teachers of the false cheap grace doctrine -
Working Hard For Eternal Life

Kathr's idea of salvation involves earning God' approval by her own Herculean efforts. In her view, grace is costly - costly works are what matter! "So you see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone." Kathr finds herself in bad company.
---Barney on 6/19/07

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Salvation is a GIFT (Rom. 6:23).
Sadly, like all cults and pseudo-Christian groups, Kathr ridicules this teaching as "cheap grace".

Like all cults and psuedo-Christian groups, Kathr's salvation, as laid out in her writings, "the Jesus-plus plan." A works-centered salvation where the sacrificial death of Jesus will only be applied to those who perform the "right types and amounts" of works differ from cult to cult, but the core idea is the same.
---Barney on 6/19/07

If you study the Bible there is alot of ifs and butts in getting to heaven. Too many Christians are living sloppy lives making Jesus and the cross out to be a lie. Will they make it to Heaven, While the rest of us are finding out that the road to heaven is paved with Blood, Sweat and Tears. May I also say, And there a scripture that will back me up,That the more obedient you are to Christ the more you will suffer and guess what, "Salvation is a sure thing".
---catherine on 6/19/07

Kathr, there is no such thing as cheap grace, if there is then it comes from those the want to earn it. Then it is no longer Grace. Grace cannot be cheapened by anyone. Any invention of another kind of grace comes from people who don't know what grace is in the first place. " I am crucified with Christ, no longer I but Christ in me." don't you understand that? "NO LONGER I BUT CHRIST IN ME" How can that mean anything other then what it says?
---mark on 6/19/07

#2. Kathr: Of course you are going to get a "thank you from Matthew" I am surpise you don't get a thank you from Chipper. Maybe Ramon would like to also thank you for your kind teachings of cheap grace. You who spoke on behalf of OSAS, now speak against the very thing you spoke of before. Are you speaking with a fork tongue? Maybe you are catching on with the others. Do you also think that Christ speaks deceit?
---mark on 6/19/07

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#3. "Jesus Christ never died for our good deeds, they were not worth dying for. But He died for our sins." That is gospel. Christ took our sins on Himself. He took the death penalty for us. Everything a true believer Is, we owe to God's Grace. We are chosen by God and this election is of grace. We are redeemed, and our redemption is the mighty masterpiece of grace. We are called, and our calling is of grace. We are kept secure in Christ, and this too is by grace.
---mark on 6/19/07

Hypocrites, those that pretend they know the truth when in reality they know nothing about the word of God. Preaching works of the law, earning their way in by good deeds. Let me tell you something else all of you that preach what you preach, Jesus Lordship depends on His resurrection, for Scripture affirms, "Christ died and returned to life so that He might be the Lord of both the dead and the living" (Romans 14:9). So our justification hangs on Christ's resurrection, Not
---mark on 6/19/07

#2. Not by our works, according to Romans 4:25; "He was...raised to life for our Justification." Our new birth also depends on Jesus Christ from the dead" (1 Peter 1:3), for Peter wrote, "In His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead" but all of you teach, NO Way, that is not true at all and we all should believe what you say. You reject the very words of God.
---mark on 6/19/07

#3. Our ultimate resurrection rest here, for "He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit" Romans 8:11. You have to believe the words of the gospel in order to be saved, otherwise you have believed in vain. This is not about OSAS, or Calvinist, or Arminianism, it is about the truth found in the gospel.
---mark on 6/19/07

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#2. He speaks on our behalf and with another He condemns us, since He already knows the future of each person. Pretenting to help us, but really condemning us. Everyone of you speak without thinking what you are saying. Your intentions are wrong. You try very hard to separated the Christian from the true Love of God. Everyday Chipper, Matthew, Ramon, think of ways they can twist the word of God to say what they want it to say.
---mark on 6/19/07

#5. Your hope is only in Christ. In His resurrection your hope hangs. "Now it was not written for His sake alone, that it was imputed to Him, but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification." His resurrection was for our justification. His not our works. Don't you get it?
---mark on 6/19/07

You people invent new ways to separate the Christian from the love of Christ. Each day you have something to say how a Christian will go to hell if he doesn't do something to earn his way in. Each day you tell others that Christ is a hypocrite. Yes, that is what each of you are doing. That Christ teaches us that He is interceding for us, and with a twist of the same lips He is condemning us. What else are you saying? But that with one sound of His word,
---mark on 6/19/07

Thanks for that post Kathr.
---Matthew on 6/19/07

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Duane: It depends on what you call Grace. If Grace is salvation, it will cost you EVERYTHING. But that was no secret coming from Jesus, " Those who keep their lives will lose it,and those who lose their life will save it unto eternal life.
Cheap Grace doesn't preach Calvary, and is really good for business as you can see.....the message of the Gospel...I am crucified with Christ, no longer I but Christ in me is bad for business. It requires suffering.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/07

If there is such a thing as cheap grace, what is expensive grace? Are we to pay for grace or is it FREE?
---duane on 6/16/07

John 10:28........When God gives eternal life to someone, they shall never perish. OSAS is a conformation of this scripture. Dont say its a lie from hell. Only a fool would say this.
---duane on 6/16/07


Paul and the apostles pointed out unrepented sins in peoples lives in fear of their soul and the other souls around that person.

1 Corinthians 5:
1It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

2And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
---Matthew on 6/15/07

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Paul says it is because you are puffed up that you have not mourned that this person would be removed from you. And he tells them give this person over to Satan. Why? He was unrepented sin and as Paul put it.

11But now I have written unto you not to keep company,if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
---Matthew on 6/15/07


Can't be disputed. If someone is a brother or sister and they are in wickedness you must remove yourself from that person. Some will call that judging, ,but it is what we are told to do. I follow my Bible.

There is no love in condoning unrepented sins in ones life. Here are some more passages of pointing out sin in ones life.

Acts 8:22
Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord. Perhaps he will forgive you for having such a thought in your heart.
---Matthew on 6/15/07

1 Timothy 5

This was part of a list of instructions.

20Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning.

21I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism.

Those who understand that sin can cause one to lose out on their inheritance follow these orders. It would be wrong to not point out unrepentant sin in a brothers life.
---Matthew on 6/15/07


1 Corinthians 5
12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Corinthians 6:2
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

When we are told not to judge. It has a two fold meaning.

1) Don't judge those outside of the Church

2) Don't judge anyone of a sin if you are commiting the same sin.
---Matthew on 6/15/07

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1 Corinthians 5:11
11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

The question is do we follow this passage? The answer is we should be, it is a commandment. Doing this helps both you and the person you expel from you. How?
---Matthew on 6/15/07


(1) You save yourself from their corruption rubbing off onto you.

(2) They hopefully realize what they have done is wrong and must be repented of.

If they repent, great. You can now company with that person again. Remeber this is only for those who are in the faith not those who are not(you should always talk and witness to the unsaved).
---Matthew on 6/15/07

Hypocrite is one who doesn't practice what they preach. Jesus didn't call the Pharisees hypocrites because they were pointing errors in others. He called therm hypocrites because they would act like they were good but inside they had evil hearts. This passage is also talking about hypocrites.

Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
---Matthew on 6/15/07

There are millions of christian hypocrites. Just watch the way they live their lives. They profess Jesus Christ and rush into churches at every opportunity, but then go home, beat their kids, turn the air blue in profanity, commit adultery, get angry when someone tells them their example speaks volumes whom they serve and it isn't God. They live in the world, commiting every sin imaginable and then say Hey I am saved. They also say I don't need to repent, Jesus forgives me always. FALSE.
---ashley on 6/15/07

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A hypocrite is someone that says one thing but is another. True believers are not hypocrites. They are alive with Christ by God. They are children of God by the promise of God. All those that speak others sin, and are sinning themselves, now those are hypocrites. For they speak "everyone else sins but them" yet they sin themselves even when they try to hide from God.
---mark on 6/15/07

The arguement is normally that this servant was never a believer in Christ. Yet this servant is called a servant of the Lord.
Passage says plainly those who are faithful and wise servant God are blessed and God will make ruler over all he has but those servants of the Lord who choose to say "I will do evil" will as the passage says be "appointed the portion of the hypocrites"

A hypocrite is not an unbeliever.
---Matthew on 6/14/07

The war in Heaven: Jesus will go to the Earth to atone for the sins of man. they have their freedom to choose sin or live in obedience. Satan says, I will force everyone to live righteously and not one soul will be lost. Now Satan has changed. he says everyone is saved and no one will be lost if they profess Jesus Christ. If you commit sins, don't worry, you will not be asked to account for them. Follow me and do what you want, the kingdom of God is still yours. Sounds like what he said to Eve doesn't it.
---ashley on 6/14/07

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