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Much Wisdom Is Grief

Ecclesiastes 1:18 says For in much wisdom is much grief: he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Any ideas as to what the knowledge and wisdom is and why it increases sorrow and grief? What is the sorrow and grief?

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The sorrow and grief comes from what you learn during these times of studying and learning things.Some people like to learn things(scholars and intellectuals for example)They study a great deal. Some thing we do not want to know. Especially about our kids, spouses etc...Leave some things alone.This is where the old saying come from: let sleeping dogs lie. Don't dig,snoop and stick your nose where it does not belong. You might find something out you did not want to know or hear,for that matter.
---Robyn on 2/21/08


"But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God I Corin. 1:24" Christ is the Wisdom of God and His is a narrow way. The end point of wisdom is eternal rest and so we go ahead with that hope. The more God gives you the more He expects. (Luke 12:48)
---Aurunoday on 2/20/08


We are living epistles known and read of all men. When I come on here and "see" the name calling and diminuitive "boy" used instead of "brother", I "see" in the words an earthly wisdom because even the words reveal the conduct. In English grammar, there is a word called "onamonapeia" and it denotes an action word that is the same as the sound. Kind of like "bark". The action word is "bark" and the sound is "bark".
---Linda on 6/4/07


It is like a noun (person, place, or thing) and a verb (action) that are the same. When I see name calling and diminuitives in the posts, I hear the same thing...and in hearing, I can note conduct because the sound and the action are the same...and therefore can discern whether earthly wisdom or heavenly wisdom is being "walked" in.
---Linda on 6/4/07


Perhaps I should go so far as to say that I can note whether heavenly wisdom Himself has walked in. One can hear the voice of God and choose to obey or disobey. However, one cannot KNOW the voice of God and not obey because the voice of the Lord God comes walking, not talking, in the cool of the day. This is the difference between head knowledge and heart revelation.
---Linda on 6/4/07




I understand Frank but one can discern the wisdom of the world that would seek to twist what has been revealed by the Spirit from wisdom from above. James tells us how. Notice that James says, "Let him SHOW (not speak) out of a good (this is instrinsic nature, therefore pure) conversation his works with meekness (humility) of wisdom." The word "conversation" here is the same word as "behavior". In other words, our behavior is a better guage of wisdom than our words.
---Linda on 6/4/07


Linda, Amen! I look forward to your answers to many blogs as I see much wisdom in your posts. Bless you.
---Christina on 6/3/07


Linda, while you are correct, part of the sorrow and grief that a person has is when the spirit of wisdom and knowledge bring forth glorious things about Jesus from the laws and prophets and Christians smear it with worldly wisdom and fleshly minds. Someone on another thread said she felt I was depressed. Look around on this site. This scripture is why. Too much carnal teachings. Many of these topics and posts don't even glorify Jesus.
Frank
---Frank on 6/2/07


I agree with Linda's post. Well said. In this verse the author is speaking of the wisdom of the 'world', carnal knowledge & understanding rather than the wisdom derived through a knowledge & understanding of The Father as revealed in His Word & empowered of His Spirit. "Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!" "The [worldly] wise [men] are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: Lo, they have rejected the word of the Lord; what wisdom is in them?
---joseph on 6/2/07


Also remember that Jesus said, "The Queen of the South came to behold the wisdom of Solomon but, behold, a greater than Solomon is here." Why is Jesus greater? Because He is the wisdom from above. He is the wisdom Solomon got when he asked for it. Any other wisdom is under the sun. It is very interesting to me that the first opportunity for Solomon to use this wisdom from above had to do with two woman who had babies.
---Linda on 6/1/07




One lost her baby when she rolled over on it and then tried to pass the other's child off as her own. The "fake" mother wanted to divide (split) the child but the real mother would rather give it away that divide it. The one who loved the child so much that she would rather give it away than see it divided got the child. Willing to sacrifice what was her very own rather than only have half of him. Lord Jesus, help us to know intimately this wisdom, which is to know You intimately.
---Linda on 6/1/07


Solomon, in Ecclesiastes, is talking about what is "under the sun". There is nothing new there. What is new is IN the SON. All the wisdom and knowledge of the world is but foolishness and that very foolishness will destroy the "wise" of the world. Only God's foolishness, which is wiser than men, can truly make a wise man foolish and a foolish man wise.
---Linda on 6/1/07


Wealth, in God's eyes, is the wisdom, knowledge (grow in the grace and KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ), and understanding (Eph.1:17-23) He gives. James makes it clear:

Jas 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
Jas 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
---Linda on 6/1/07


Jas 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
Jas 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
Jas 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Jas 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
---Linda on 6/1/07


Catherine and Rebecca, You both are off to a good start. I am leaving as there is no use trying to share what I deem the Pearl of great price among so many that are so quick to hatefully disagree, judge and pass judgment. Pray for the spiritual discernment that will glorify Jesus in every scripture without glorifying man in this world.
Farewell and God bless.
Frank
---Frank on 6/1/07


We can make peace when we fellowship with His sufferings and revile not in return (1 Peter 2:19-25). Peace has been made through the blood of His cross and that peace made is manifested through a people who have been endued with wisdom from above. FIRST pure (this has to do with the heart...sincere love), THEN peaceable, gentle, easy to be entereated, FULL of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
---Linda on 6/1/07


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That is God's wisdom and it is rooted and grounded in Christ and Him crucified. When our eyes are opened by the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, then what has already been done is clear and what that means to us is clear. How to walk by faith and not by sight is not a mystery and Christ in you, the hope of glory, is realized.

The blessing of the Lord maketh rich and adds no sorrow to it.
---Linda on 6/1/07


Catherine and Rebecca, That is a good start but what does the spirit of wisdom and knowledge really reveal and why does this increase grief and sorrow? How does this effect bearing precious seed, or walking with the Lord with his word in your heart and mind, being led of the Spirit amongst unbeleiving so-called Christians?
Frank
---Frank on 6/1/07


Jack, I don't care what Henrietta Mears said. I care what the word of God says. It shall save me and not her.
Anthony, it is very much IN context when revealed by the spirit. Further, Solomon's words are endorsed by God to be in his word. I would not risk transgressing by saying anything in his word is not endorsed by him. Job's friends spoke the word amiss to judge him from the wrong spirit. They manifested the err in not having the Spirit reveal the meaning.
Frank
---Frank on 6/1/07


Anthony, since you think these are the musings of Solomon and not words ordained of God by his Spirit, look at Colossians 2:2,3. The treasures of wisdom and knowledge in Christ comfort our hearts. Paul's words and he knew the laws and prophets. That is my only hint as I am sure that someone has the spirit of wisdom and revelation to rightly divide the scriptures in reference to this. Line upon line and precept upon precept as written in Isaiah 28:10.
Frank
---Frank on 6/1/07


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Ecclesiastes is only one of God's books in the Holy Bible and all of the Bible is God's word. All is useful but to only God's people. Now on with this>>>The more knowledge we have the more we don't know. We can see this. [ignorance] Great scholars do make themselves great mourners; The more knowledge you or I get we see the world differently Great calamities, we see, and the more patience we need. The bottom line is>>> Put your happiness only in the knowledge of God.
---catherine on 5/31/07


The more you know about God's word, the more God expects from you. As the saying goes, the more you know, the more you grow. If you ask for more knowledge from God, then God requires more. I believe that God has high expectations from us. He knows what we can do, and he requires for us to do so.
---Rebecca_D on 5/31/07


2) Secondly, remember that these are the musings of Solomon, not God. Sometimes a person's personal comments are recorded in the Bible which are not true, but presented none the less as an account of what was said and not necessarily endorsed by God. Look at all the things Job's friends said to him trying to counsel, yet are just their opinions of the situation and their vain wisdom.
---Anthony on 5/31/07


1) First, be sure not to take scripture out of context. The previous 17 verses are Solomon lamenting how futile man's efforts are at making an improvement in his life as significant as the everlasting one only God is capable of. I think verse 1:3 sums it up pretty well.
---Anthony on 5/31/07


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It was specifically about the Book of Ecclesiastes that Henrietta Mears said, "Sometimes, the Bible is not God's words, but God's record of man's words."
---Jack on 5/31/07


Aurunoday, you are correct in part of it. Just not complete. But that's cool.
Jenny, While you are correct in part I was not referring to biblical history. I was referring to what is wisdom and knowledge?
Why does it increase sorrow and grief? What is the sorrow and grief? I'm sure someone can answer with the rightly divided word of truth that will glorify Jesus and not us as Christians.
Frank
---Frank on 5/31/07


The gaining of more information about the Bible, will not give you transformation.
Much study, reading other people's opinions about the Word, is not the same as reading the Word. You could spend an entire lifetime studying biblical history and still be a stranger to Jesus Christ.
Depart from me, I never knew you.
---Jenny on 5/31/07


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