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Is TBN Mainstream Christianity

I just saw TBN for the first time. Anybody heard of it? It is a Christianity unlike I have ever seen, or want to. I am not in the United States. Is this considered mainstream Christian in the US or is it fringe?

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I would recommend that you read
Mark 12:38- And he said unto them in his doctine,Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
12:39-And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts:
12:40-Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers, these shall receive greater damnation.
Television is one of the 2 biggest marketplaces.
---trish on 10/13/08

ROFL, that was very funny.
Few people really cared what MikeM said.
---Bob on 6/9/08

2) MikeM, you say Benny Hinn has been exposed on Google as fake, but for us in Uganda we dont care about what is written about him on Google. Anyone can write anything about anyone and post it on Google or anywhere. Even Jesus is branded many names everywhere. But for us we were very pleased with Hinns message of salvation, and O yes, also to learn about the power of the Holy Spirit, whom many of us were not very familiar with before.
---Namanda on 6/9/08

Man made, dead and mainstream religion...who are they????
---jana on 7/21/07

Praise the Lord for TBN. Its Christianity is a wonderful breath of fresh air, unlike the man-made and dead "mainstream" religion!
---Rose on 7/11/07


Coming from my perspective where Christ founded but one Holy Roman and Catholic Church, that alone tells me TBN is not mainstream and there are more Catholics than Protestants.

It is the self interpretations of the Bible that go on with that Station regardless of programs that prove my point the most because Bible is not up to individual interpretation or we would have billions of interpretations and confusion and that is not of Christ.
---Brenda2 on 7/9/07

TBN is a diverse series of shows, just like ABC, only with Christian themes. It is very hard to "rate" TBN overall, because they carry a variety of shows. I give some of the older Biblical theme movies that they show sometimes at night, a thumbs up, for good movies that I have never seen before. Just look for their movies, or if you want to learn Spanish, they have a bi-lingual Bible teaching program which often runs, and some non-controversial programs for children.
---harold on 7/9/07

tbn is a network full of greddy people who
say to you do. but dont do themselves. they
are people who are good at what they do but bad at doing it thenselves. iam one who desire to be different from this world religion not fleecing the flock by saying you are cursed if you dont pay tithes or speaking the truth for pay, god freely gave me many chances how can i charge to give some one eles a chance.exactally what tbn does
---mae on 7/8/07

TBN mainstream? No way. Not even among Protestants is it considered mainstream by most. Benny Hinn Mainstream? Paul and Jan mainstream? I don't think so, but they will be happy if anyone here sends in a love gift.

Pictures of their Mansions are on the Net. They should learn from Mother Angelica who founded EWTN how to live Christ like.
---Brenda2 on 7/8/07

For all of you here who sit in judgement against someone who openly preaches the gospel of Jesus Christ is heretical at best. The bible says judge not lest ye be judged. The bible also says whoever is here that is without sin, cast the first stone. Until you become Holy and perfect by the perfecting power of the Holy Spirit by the precious and powerful blood of Jesus Christ,stop pointing fingers as the bible says and love and pray for anyone you deem is a false prophet.
---queen on 7/8/07

good ridance it has been taken of channal 70
---phil_baquera on 7/8/07

Mike brother you got me wrong. I am not saying that credibility in a church leader is irrelevant. It is very relevant. Its good to criticise constructively, but the problem we have in the church is that a lot of criticism is simply base on ignorance and on a holier-than-thou attitude. The credibility of church leaders should be assessed by Spirit-led Christians and not by any ignorant, Google and similar search engine led critic, seated somewhere in Oregon or wherever. God bless you brother.
---Rose on 6/25/07

Rose-what Rose is saying is that credibility in a church leader is irrelevant. They are above being questioned. The fact that Hinn and several other televangelist have solidly been exposed by both secular and the religious community as scam artist means absolutely nothing. This is cognitive dissonance, a denial of objective reality. According to some, you must leave your brains at the front door of church.
---MikeM on 6/24/07

If I became a televangelist, I could make false predictions, make outragious claims about myself, call all those who disagree with me the devil, could live any lifestyle I want, and when called to task say, "Touch not mine anointed." I have a prediction now; a bailing in this thread.
---MikeM on 6/24/07

Jackie: I think you lost track about what the topic was.
---Steveng on 6/23/07

Mikem *The videos were produced by evangelical groups *

I think these are elements who think like you - groups, who like the Pharisees, are more critical than constructive; they have done little or nothing for the gospel; their work is just to disparage and tear down those who are serving God. These are the modern days Pharisees - more driven by jealousy than building the Kingdom of God. I hope you are not one of them? If you are, my friend, repent sooner than later!
---Rose on 6/23/07

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Steveng, I get your questions, but you seem to have a confused understanding of the word faith. Faith is not just speaking some wishful statements, hoping that it would become a reality. Faith is taking God for His word and then applying it to obtain results. Jesus did not just wish and souls got saved. No He gave His life - the same way we give money. Why cant you understand this basic explanation? Jesus said they would hear but they wont understand - how true!
---Jackie on 6/22/07

Rose that iS how one seeking the truth operates. The videos were produced by evangelical groups themselves.

Paul says test the spirits, strive for the truth. I am old enough to remember the Jim Baker and Peter Popov scandals, even when they were exposed as fakes people incredibly still supported them! The facts about these televangelist stand out, yet people shut off their brains to protect faith. I pity the folks who are led more visceral emotions than engaging their God given intelligence.
---MikeM on 6/21/07

Mike *Just Google his name*

You see brother, this is where you get it wrong. You go to Google and download everything, but this is not how Spirit led Christians operate. We get facts and filter them through the lenses of the Spirit. Otherwise if we downloaded all the nonsense posted on Google, even about the Lord Jesus Himself, we would never believe in Him. I pity you folks who are led more by Google search engines, rather than by the Spirit of God
---Rose on 6/21/07

Jackie: Do you doubt that God created the universe? Do you doubt God created everything on earth? Do you doubt that Jesus healed people, brought people back to life, calmed the storm, fed 5,000 people from only five loaves of bread and three fish? Are you saying Jesus is a liar when He said, "...If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."
---Steveng on 6/20/07

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Rose-Your posts remind of the woman on a jury who is holding out against the other 11 jury members who want to convict a man based on factual evidence. She declares, Oh dont confuse me with all these facts, I am not interested in facts, I am going to vote with my heart. This is the issue with BH; the facts about him mean nothing to his supporters. Just Google his name on video, the evidence is all there. One thing is clear; ignoring reality to preserve a belief is not real faith.
---MikeM on 6/20/07

Steveng * If every Christians did his ... If a man had enough faith ...* If man could fly like a bird...!

It all reminds of childrens favourite words we used to say here as we were growing up: "If all wishes were horses, all men would be riding"!
---Jackie on 6/20/07

Mike, Im sorry about your plight, but we who serve the Lord really enjoy His blessings! He actually says: "I tell you the truth, no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields ... and in the age to come, eternal life." (Mark 10:29-30). Wow, praise the Lord! Let BH enjoy his reward.
---Rose on 6/20/07

Meir: "Leave it to us, its our money and we know what we are doing. Talk of crying more than the bereaved!"

This is the reason why many people, including Christians, are losing their money in other religions, the stock market, investments, real estate, businesses, etc - all because they know what they are doing.
---Steveng on 6/19/07

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Jackie,mark_B: You probably think that I was born yesterday. I know people donated money for the cause, but you need to ask yourself "why?" If every Christians did his, or her, part, of becoming doers instead of jsut hearers of the Word, this world would have been converted to Christianity eons ago. God doesn't want money like He wanted sacrifices. If a man had enough faith as a mustard seed, he could have an abundance of crops and meat on a small plot of land in the middle of the Majave Desert.
---Steveng on 6/19/07

Man Meir,>>> Am I with you. What we need is hard evidence. Does anyone have any? How do we go about gathering some?
---catherine on 6/19/07

It is so very clear that most of these televangelist make millions. A prime example is Benny Hinn who owns mansions, drives Rolls Royces, etc. This is all been verified again and again, along with His outrageous false prophecies, fake healings etc, etc, etc. What is remarkable is no one is bothered. This is called cognitive dissonance, a denial of objective reality. They are taken in by charisma and charm. Televangelism is simply Christianity of the common denominator.
---MikeM on 6/19/07

1) Ashley *Ten times out of ten, evangelists receive million dollars and then spend little of it to help others*. I appreciate your observation Ashley and you could be right; many others have said the same thing but we need evidence, otherwise it remains an allegation, actually an exercise in speculation and rumour mongering! Its also wrong to generalize. Let someone identify such ministries and present us with evidence. This is a scientific era, we cant continue arguing basing on no solid evidence.
---Meir on 6/19/07

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2) So Ashley, based on solid published evidence, tell us which evangelists have received how many millions of dollars, how much of this they have spent to help others, and how much they have banked into Swiss bank accounts or the stock market for their own selfishness? We will not argue against empirical evidence. If we cant give this kind of information then we are just gossiping about these preachers and we know it is sinful!
---Meir on 6/19/07

A big difference to help someone and pad a wallet. Ten times out of ten, evangelists receive a million dollars and then spend little of it to help others. The rest goes into swiss bank accounts or the stock market for their own selfishness. people donate billions in relief to teach others about Jesus Christ, feed the sick and needy, provide medical care. where is it. most of it sits rotting in warehouses and never sees the light of day. Soldiers to oppress the people receive it.
---ashley on 6/18/07

1) Truth: *The Gospel can be spread without money if all Christians all over the world, everywhere they go, everyday, would make it their goal to help spread the Gospel.*

But where in the world is this happening? Tell me the truth, where you live how many people on any given day share with you the gospel by word of mouth? We need to separate ideals from realities. Its precisely because this isnt happening that special must be financially equipped to spread the gospel.
---Rose on 6/18/07

2) Truth, Steveng - read the following to understand that special people must be sent to preach the gospel: "How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!" (Romans 10:14-15 ).
---Rose on 6/18/07

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Steveng your logic amuses me. Because Jesus didnt use money to control the weather, heal the sick, feed 5,000 with five loaves etc, so we shouldnt use money to spread the gospel? Come, get serious in Jesus name!
---Meir on 6/18/07

Why are you Brethren - Susie, Steveng, Truth etc more concerned about the money in the hands of international gospel preachers than we the people who actually partner with these ministries? Its our money and we know what it is doing. If youre not partnering with these ministries why are you concerned that the money is being wasted on mansions and lifestyles? Leave it to us, its our money and we know what we are doing. Talk of crying more than the bereaved!
---Meir on 6/18/07

Steveng, someone here has correctly quoted for you Luke 8:1-3 to show you that even Jesus and the Apostles relied on the financial support of partners in the ministry but you are still arguing for what? Learn to concede to truth.
---Jackie on 6/18/07

steven God has annointed certain people to do certain things...some people need money to be able to do what God wants them to do...and guess what God provides, always gives the money eh???
---mark_B. on 6/17/07

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Namanda: "Mark, I agree, the gospel cannot be spread far without money."

How true is this scripture: You know God, but deny his power. Did Jesus use money to control the weather, heal the sick, feed 5,000 with five loaves and two fish, bring the dead to life, turn water to wine, Cleanse the leper, walk on water, Heal a woman with an 18-year infirmity, control the fish to be caught, etc?

The gospel can be spread by telling two people and they each told two people and on.
---Steveng on 6/16/07

Namanda: "Mark, I agree, the gospel cannot be spread far without money."

The love of money is the root of all evil. When depending on money, you deny the true power of God?
---Steveng on 6/16/07

Umm steven...just to let you know Jesus and paul says specifically several times that the kingdom of God has come and can come now...i think what your talking about is when we all go to heaven...
If you need scripture verses please ask me...its surprising b/c only recently did i notice it...and its like literal like he specifically said Kingdom of God is here or something like that
---mark_B. on 6/15/07

To Rose,To answer the question, "How can the Gospel be spread without money". The Gospel can be spread without money if all Christians all over the world, everywhere they go, everyday, would make it their goal to help spread the Gospel. Do you believe its only the job of the Pastor to spread the Good News? If you watch TBN, my advice would be to check what is said according to whats written in the Holy Bible. Before T.V. and radio, the Gospel was spread. HOW DID IT SPREAD? WORD OF MOUTH!!!!!!!
---Truth on 6/15/07

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Mark, I agree, the gospel cannot be spread far without money. Steveng says that "Jesus did it without spending money"? Read this: "After this, Jesus travelled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases ... These women were helping to support them out of their own means" - Luke 8:1-3. These women financially supported Jesus and His disciples.
---Namanda on 6/15/07

I get amused when I read posts by people like Steveng who think that preachers like Hinn should "give up their lifestyle to become like a hermit in the mountains and baptise people in the river without asking" for money from partners! In which age are these brothers and sisters living? How can the gospel be preached without money, and whats wrong with Hinn and other TV preachers getting money from partners and using it to take the gospel to such far places as Namandas?
---Rose on 6/15/07

Frank, you remind me of people who associate poverty with virtue. Peter and Paul might have been poor but God didnt use them mightily because they were poor, but rather despite their apparent poverty. This religious tendency of associating poverty with virtue or being used by God is counterproductive to the gospel. The reason why Paul and Peter had to make tents and do fishing respectively was precisely the need for money. They should have been freed to concentrate on the gospel fulltime.
---Jackie on 6/15/07

Frank, *It grieves me to see you would not want a poor or needy preacher.

Brother, I didnt say that. Look at my post again. The point I was making was that if I were a preacher, I would rather have more resources at my disposal and be able to share the gospel in distant lands, rather than being confined to my neighbourhood due to lack of resources. I think every believer who has a burden for the lost should have this kind of desire.
---Namanda on 6/15/07

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Namanda: " without works is dead"

I think you have the wrong meaning of "works." A person cannot expect to grow his own vine by sitting on the couch watching TV. Once you are born again, baptised, and recieve the Holy Spirit, a person is to go out into the world and show people of the coming Kingdom of God and how to get there. That was the gospel of Jesus - and He didn't get paid for doing His works because He trusted in His Father to provide for His needs.
---Steveng on 6/14/07

mark_B: "Jesus' time was in different culture..."

God's word is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. It transends culture.

"...and he was only for the lost sheep on isreal..."

On the contrary, He was out to spread the gospel of the coming Kingdom of God and how to get there to the world.
---Steveng on 6/14/07

Steven i actually thought about that...and like would it bee possible for a full time minister that travels able to do crusades outside of america w/out asking for money??
Jesus' time was in different culture and he was only for the lost sheep on isreal...people can much easily walk around isreal than walk around america
---mark_B. on 6/14/07

*What about trusting faith to solve the world's problems? Apparently you know God, but you deny His power.*

No Steveng, I cant deny the power of God. But as you know, "just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead" (James 2:26)! How are you ever going to solve the worlds problems with this kind of dead faith? God bless u!
---Namanda on 6/14/07

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Namanda, It grieves me to see you would not want a poor or needy preacher. After all, Paul was so poor that he needed to travel by way of prison ship and supported his ministry with tentmaking. And poor Peter the fisherman had to work as well. Seems those used the greatest were the poorest.
---Frank on 6/13/07

Namanda: You showed us an accounting of Hinn's crusades. Jesus did it without spending money! Most people, including Christians think that all they need to do is throw money at the world's problems. What about trusting faith to solve the world's problems? Apparently you know God, but you deny His power.
---Steveng on 6/13/07

1) Thanks again Susie, to respond to your questions, TBN is the main International Christian broadcaster here, but there is also the God Channel, CBN and Loveworld Networks. The peasants that are getting saved here have no problem with the fact or allegation that Hinn and other TBN preachers are living in million-dollar mansions. Why should we, after all there are many people living in million-dollar mansions but who are not even preaching the gospel - they are just enjoying their money.
---Namanda on 6/13/07

2) If Hinn and other TBN preachers can use part of their money to share the gospel in distant lands like ours here, then this is great. In fact the Church report here about Hinns recent crusade shows that it cost US$ 1 million, and our local financial contribution to this crusade including all donations and offertories amounted to just US$ 75,000! All the rest came from B.H Ministries. Frankly, we felt shamed that we hosted this person at his own cost!
---Namanda on 6/13/07

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3) Susie, I would also rather have a rich preacher who uses part of his wealth to share the gospel in distant lands, than a needy preacher who cant share anything beyond his neighbourhood. Whatever contribution one might make to society, nothing can even begin to compare with the command of our Lord Jesus to help take His message of salvation, love and forgiveness to every person in every community, in every city and country of the world, and make disciples of all nations (Matt. 28: 18-20).
---Namanda on 6/13/07

4) One thing though Susie, which bothers me is why many people get so concerned when a gospel preacher eats well, lives in a good house, flies comfortably in an own jet, in the course of doing Gods work - but when another person who has nothing to do with God uses his wealth to advance evil, no one seems raise an eyebrow? Do gospel preachers have to live poor, miserable lives in order to lend credibility to the gospel?
---Namanda on 6/13/07

5) Infact contrary to what some people out there think, a lot of us here think that credibility is exemplified to non-believers through, among other things, the lifestyle and examples we believers demonstrate. One of these is financial sufficiency, security, abundance, and wealth. Christians' financial prosperity, can, if used under the stewardship of the Lord, speak non-verbally about the power and love of our Lord Jesus, communicating in clear terms that our God not only saves but also provides.
---Namanda on 6/13/07

6) I think many people do not choose Jesus here, among other reasons, because they see the poverty, indebtedness and powerlessness of His followers all around them. Its difficult to tell anyone that Jesus is the one who makes the difference in life when your own life and lifestyle is no different from those you are telling. Of course God loves poor people but God does not love their poverty; neither is He responsible for it.
---Namanda on 6/13/07

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Namanda: "We look at TBN preachers such as Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer and others merely as vessels."

On the contrary, many Christians DO idolize their preachers. Ask them question like "could you survive without your pastor?" or offer them a book by a different preacher and they wouldn't think of reading any one else's books. I know a women who idolizes the Left Behind authors and when I showed contradictory verses straight from the Bible, she would get really upset.
---Steveng on 6/12/07

Namanda....Is TBN the only Christian broadcasting in your country? We hear a lot of other Christian stations say they are broadcasting in Africa. It's interesting to know which ones you are watching besides TBN. Do the peasants that are getting saved have any problem with the fact that Hinn and other TBN preachers are living in million-dollar mansions while the peasants live in huts? Thanks for your informative posts.
---Susie on 6/12/07

Namanda, you said that beautifully. Thank you for expressing the heart of a people who understand that it is not the vessel but the treasure in the vessel that one is to look for.
---Linda on 6/12/07

6) Above all, we know that expressing the spiritual through the natural is like translating from a richer to a poorer language. In the poorer language, you have to use the same word to express more than one meaning. When God tries to express the richer world of His Spirit world through the poorer medium of the human frame, certain things are bound to get distorted or even lost in the process. Jesus understands this very well, except us!
---Namanda on 6/12/07

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7) Finally, I believe it is a mark of wisdom to separate wheat from chaff and take the former, rather than throwing out everything, including the person who has delivered it. If Hinn or any other TBN preacher for that matter can under the Spirit of God help change a Ugandan peasant from practising witchcraft to following Christ as Lord and Saviour, then to us that overrides any other thing he may not be doing properly. God bless you brothers and sisters. We love u!
---Namanda on 6/12/07

Thanks Susan - to answer your questions, Uganda is emerging from decades of turmoil, perhaps you recall the infamous dictator Idd Amin - he took us so many decades behind. Now we are back on track. Over 80% of the people here subscribe to the Christian religion mainly Catholic and Anglican. There is no restriction to any religious activity, which has led to new wave of Pentecostal churches mushrooming everywhere. Previous dictatorships had a kept a tight lid on all religious activity.
---Namanda on 6/12/07

2) Large numbers of people are joining these born-again churches, partly because main-stream religious churches seem to have made little difference in the lives of people. There are 3 television stations in Uganda that broadcast the message of Jesus Christ, but only TBN is exclusively focused on it. TBN is the most popular here largely because it message focuses on the holistic development of the total person spirit, soul and body.
---Namanda on 6/12/07

3) Religious churches here have for many years tended to focus on only preparing the human soul for the life to come. But many people here are now beginning to realise that this eternal life should start here and now, and that the process should encompass the total person - spirit , soul and body.
---Namanda on 6/12/07

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4) Just to correct Steveng and the like-minded, here we dont follow preachers, prophets or any person for that matter rather we follow Christ Jesus. We look at TBN preachers such as Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer and others merely as vessels. But perhaps one way in which we differ from brothers /sisters such as Steveng is that we also realise that whichever human vessel God uses, it will still remain human, and as such imperfect in perfectly conveying Gods message.
---Namanda on 6/12/07

5) When we look at our own imperfections in our daily personal lives, we find it hypocritical to be hypercritical of Gods chosen ministers. We realize that God uses earthen human vessels who have weaknesses, frailties and flaws, like all of us do. But we trust that the power and truth of the gospel transcends humans weaknesses and frailties. So there is no need to harp on them.
---Namanda on 6/12/07

Susie: And just think, most people still follow them. What makes people still follow false prophets, or for that matter, any of the cults, still boggles my mind especially when the truth is staring them in the face.
---Steveng on 6/11/07

Namanda: "...Now whats wrong and unscriptural about such messages?"

Nothing if it came from the heart. Would Hinn (or, or that matter, all the other TV or megachurch preachers) give up their lifestyle to become a hermit in the mountains and baptise people in the river without asking for pay? Besides, didn't Satan use Bible verses to get Jesus to bow down to him?
---Steveng on 6/11/07

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I dont remember that susie...but i was only 10 ten
---mark_B. on 6/11/07

Remember Y2K? How many of those so-called "prophets" on TBN got on that band-wagon and said that the world would have all kinds of catastrophies when the year 2000 came along? Would they be considered false prophets since nothing happened? Think of all those books and tapes they sold telling about what was going to happen!!!!
---Susie on 6/11/07

It is NOT opinion, it is fact that Benny Hinn has made several false prophecies, and has been involved in money scams, this is all well documented, I could list these facts, but I suspect his defenders will disappear.(bail) The Bible says be discerning, perhaps thats what followers of Mr. Hinn should follow Biblical advice.
---MikeM on 6/11/07

MikeM., your opinions are just that, opinions.
I've yet to see you use any Scripture to back up anything you stand on. So you can stand all you want and as long as you want on your own opinion. In the end, your opinions will be wood, hay, and stubble.
---Frederick on 6/11/07

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---Namanda. I'm sure your heart is in the right place, and you are a christian. God's word will be preached whether by seflish reasons, or by truth in Spirit. Paul says that. The using of God's name in vain is anytime we use His name out of context, like "oh my G*d" . this is a habit of alot of people. So now you know better.
---wayne on 6/11/07

---Namanda. i'm not going to say much about the tv ministers that you watch there in Uganda,if thats your only source. There are those that are money minded, just be careful and read the bible and pray. God will lead you.
---wayne on 6/11/07

Namanda, I personally wouldn't go to a Hinn crusade, or watch most of the people on TBN, but to tell you not to do that would be very wrong, if you like them and get spiritually fed from what they say, then God will honor your faith.. Hope you have a good local church. That's where we grow.. thanks..
---wayne on 6/11/07

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