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Wrong For Christians To Drink

Many people writing on these blogs mention drinking alcohol as one of the evil things for a born-again Christian? But I dont see anywhere where the Bible says its wrong for a Christian to drink alcohol. It is only against drinking too much or in excess. Does anyone differ?

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Samuel, be careful about judging the whole world by your standard. Many, many people drink some alcohol without having a problem. Same as many people eat potatoe chips with a problem. Rod4Him

True the Christian life is not a set of rules. But we are to love others and be our brothers keeper. One drink damages a person's ablity to drive. This is published in the course for taking drivers ed and many other places. So that person is putting others at risk. Also may not another person who follows their example become addicted and lose their way? Should not Christians act as good example to others?
---Samuel on 2/5/10


Okay, Exz, whatever is your point, I get a point. I'll stay away from you.
---Rod4Him on 2/5/10


---Rod4Him on 2/4/10 A christian does not judge the world they are judged already and condemned to hell. But Christians are judged by the word of God. Jesus said he Judged no man but the word he spoke would judge them.
That is because the word judges. The same word I live by will judge those that do not live by it. The bible tells us not to party and live like the world and that a drunkard will not inherit the kingdom of God. It also says that those who call themselves Christians but reject God's word are to be shunned by those that live by it, to make them ashamed that they might repent. If they will not repent they will be judged with the unbelievers.
---exzucuh on 2/5/10


Samuel, be careful about judging the whole world by your standard. Many, many people drink some alcohol without having a problem. Same as many people eat potatoe chips with a problem.

The Christian life is a life in Christ, walking with Christ, not a set of rules.

I don't drink alcohol because it tastes like poison to me, but if others want to drink it, that's between them and Christ.
---Rod4Him on 2/4/10


My Father was a functioning Alcholic and until I came to JESUS I was following that path. Alchol leads to sin and degraditon of human being every day. I see no reason to think of it as a nonharmful practice.

Yes there are many who can drink a little. But many each day are killed by a person who took a few drinks before getting behind the wheel of their car and driving away.

What is the purpose of drinking something that makes you stupid and will hurt those around you and could cause their death?
---Samuel on 2/4/10




Thank you Ashle, God bless you :) I deeply appreciate it, hon.
---Mary on 2/4/10


Mary
I'll add him to my prayer list.
I agree some people's bodies won't allow them to drink even a little therefore they should not imbibe.
The question is, should those that can't judge those that can?
Though I wasn't an alcoholic, I stopped drinking years ago "not because I felt it was a sin" but because I got loose lips when I drank.
I said things I wouldn't normally say and did things I wouldn't normally do.
Not bad things.
Tried playing basketball with young relatives, fell and scraped myself up.
Tried dancing and really felt it in my muscles the next day, i.e. how low can you go.
Did I have a good time with my family?
Yes, but I paid for it:)
---ashle7439 on 2/3/10


Hi all, I don't know that it's wrong but I sure wish my fiancee would quit drinking, it breaks my heart that he just won't stop! If anybody feels led to pray for him, thank you and God bless you.
---Mary on 2/2/10


Those who drink will justify why they can drink. Those who don't drink will justify why they don't drink. I attended charismatic churches where alcohol was never present at any of our get togethers. I attended traditional church weddings where beer and wine was plentiful. In my born again fellowship we never drank. Many of my friends who attend tradional churches drink. I don't judge them because I don't know their circumstances or why they drink. When God cured my alcolholism He took away my desire and fulfilled the needs of why I drank. We could ask the same question about gossip. Since alcohol gives false courage, security, and self-esteem, I believe God would rather for us to trust in Him rather than alcohol.
---Bob on 2/2/10


A mis-interpreted verse:

Lev 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: [it shall be] a statute for ever throughout your generations:

It simply says not to drink when you enter the tabernacle. What they drink outside the tabernacle is up to them.

As for 1 Timothy 3:2, 3, 8: Bishops not given to wine and deacons not given to much wine (meaning not too much).

Jesus would be a hypocrite if he says not to drink wine and yet turns water into wine.
---Steveng on 1/30/10




Its a matter of temperance. If the wine was just grape juice the bishop could drink some like the deacon.
I Tim 3:2,3,8
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach,
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre, but patient, not a brawler, not covetous,
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not double tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre,
Romans 14:21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
Whether food or drink if it offends dont eat/drink it in front of a weak brother.
---ashle7439 on 1/30/10


"let no one judge you regarding food or drink.....these are only a shadow of things to come". "Take a little wine for thy stomachs sake." A believer can have wine occasionally but drunkenness is warned against. Some people are basically allergic to alcohol so that they can't control their drinking once they start and should avoid wine or any strong drink. We call them alcoholics. An elder is allowed to drink but not much according to scripture and a deacon should not drink at all. What ever you choose, it is sin to cause a brother/sister to stumble so if they do not have faith to drink, then don't encourage them to do so bc to them it is sin.
---jody on 1/30/10


"In the days of early christianity the wine was cleaner than the water....Our motives now are so much different.

Today alcohol is usually attached to wordly parties where people seek the "buzz" or claim it helps them "relax"." (larry).

Speak for yourself larry. There are many Christians and non Christians who drink wine or other alcohol beverages occasionally (usually on special occasions), without any "buzz" (or whatever) intention.

"The question is "where in a holy life does "seeking" alcohol fit?""

The problem is that alcohol itself is not a sin, nor it is condemn in Holy Scriptures. Only drunkenness is.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 1/30/10


Clarence, this questioned won't be sufficiently answered searching for rules and regs but wisdom.

We desire sweetness found in soft drinks, lemonade or ice tea but taste for alcoholic beverages these days is usually aquired.

In the days of early christianity the wine was cleaner than the water and was also used to quiet and sooth the stomach. Our motives now are so much different.

Today alcohol is usually attached to wordly parties where people seek the "buzz" or claim it helps them "relax".

The question is "where in a holy life does "seeking" alcohol fit?"
---larry on 1/29/10


Its a matter of temperance. If the wine was just grape juice the bishop could drink some like the deacon.
I Tim 3:2,3,8
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach,
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre, but patient, not a brawler, not covetous,
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not double tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre,
Romans 14:21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.
Whether food or drink if it offends dont eat/drink it in front of a weak brother.
---ashle7439 on 1/29/10


\\ONLY FALSE PROPHETs teach that wine and strong drink is OK
---francis on 1/28/10\\

So Jesus, by example, was a false prophet.

He even said that He was criticized for drinking wine.

And what do you think was in the cup at the Last Supper? It wasn't Kool-Aid or Welch's finest.
---Cluny on 1/29/10


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Lets see.
1: Alcohol is not for priests
Proverbs 31:4 [It is] not for kings, O Lemuel, [it is] not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes strong drink:

WE ARE A NATION OF PRIESTS

2: Alcohol is not for kings:
Proverbs 31:4 [It is] not for kings, O Lemuel, [it is] not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes strong drink:

We are sons and daughters of THE KING

Micah 2:11 If a man walking in the spirit and falsehood do lie, [saying], I will prophesy unto thee of wine and of strong drink, he shall even be the prophet of this people.

ONLY FALSE PROPHETs teach that wine and strong drink is OK
---francis on 1/28/10


You got it right Clarence. It is ok to drink in moderation. But not get drunk. That is where the sin comes in. But we have to know our own selves and our own situation. Some people are recovering alcoholics and so forth. If so, leave the sauce alone. You will never be able to indulge, again, without, serious, consequences. We should also ask ourselves why do we even need alcohol. Nothing good comes out of the stuff. The bible tells us to be sober and watchful, at all times. Drinking can cause us to say and do things that can be detrimental to us. It interferes with our worship, praise, messes up lives. Best to leave it alone,period.
---robyn on 12/9/09


I've been a member of Churches that severely restrict, or discourage the use of alcohol, and some that only prohibited the misuse of it. While having seen people backbite, and 'throw a fit' when they see others drink a beer, I've never seen a Christian insist on someone taking a drink. The subject didn't seem to be a major point of discussion for the first several hundred years of Church history. It is not an issue that should separate brothers in Christ. Of course drink responsibly. Psalm 133:1, John 17:21, Romans 12:16, 1Corinthians 12:25, Ephesians 4:3.
Lee1538: 'Should Women Teach In Church' is still open, or you could start a Amos 4 folk against Glenn blog - looking forward to it.
---Glenn on 11/22/09


JackB - **Theres nothing wrong with drinking as long as you dont drink so much that it impairs your judgement. Or was Christ a drunk for drinking a glass or wine? Careful what you believe.

In my State you are considered drunk if you drink just 2 drinks and you may be charged with a DWI.

So if using that standard clearly Jesus and the others at Cana were drunk. I think that the NRSV dares to bring this out.

"Everyone serves the good wine first, and then the inferior wine after the guests have become drunk. But you have kept the good wine until now." John 2:10 The New Interpreters Study Bible NRSV.
---Lee1538 on 11/22/09


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Glenn: To answer your questions.

All men as well as woman die in every city & village.

Are my responses carnal or are they from the Spirit? I believe they are totally biblical and in agreement with the saints of His church.

Did Jesus make a decision to use men in certain positions within the church? We read that there were many prominent women in the church that served our Lord in various capacities as many do today.

Did Jesus lie to us when He stated that there is neither male nor female in Him? Gal. 3:28

And yes to reject His word is to reject Him and that is what you have done. However, Scripture allows for different interpretations.

Sexist?
---Lee1538 on 11/22/09


Dunno why my post wasnt put up but Ill try again...

Jesus was SINLESS and drank wine and ate with publicans and a sinners and the people judged Him in ignorance because of it. (Luke 7:34)


It doesnt say He got drunk however. Theres nothing wrong with drinking as long as you dont drink so much that it impairs your judgement. Or was Christ a drunk for drinking a glass or wine? Careful what you believe
---JackB on 11/14/09


1/2
John 2:3-11, Jesus made wine. In verse 10, well drunk means to be mildly intoxicated as there are many verses that prohibit drunkenness. We are to consider our weaker brother *1. However, a Christian may not break fellowship with his brother over the issue *2 (This says "doubtful disputations", or allows the one to drink, or not). In the New Testament, except when it used allegorically in Revelations, wine means alcoholic wine (G3631 oinos). Trux would have been an appropriate word for juice. The teaching that it was grape juice comes out of the 19th century Holiness movement, not scripture.
*1 Romans 14:1-15:7, 1Corinthians 8:3-13.
*2 Romans 14:1-12, Galatians 2:11-14, 4:9-10, Ephesians 4:1-3, Colossians 2:16-23.
---Glenn on 11/12/09


Lev 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: [it shall be] a statute for ever throughout your generations:

Pro 31:4 [It is] not for kings, O Lemuel, [it is] not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes strong drink:
Pro 31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink, and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

So the LORD forbids his Priests and those filled with the HOLY GHOST not to have wine. But if you are dying it is okay.
---Samuel on 11/12/09


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"Bible says take a little wine for thy stomachs sake & that is all it says" Not quite true, Lawrence ... It was what Paul said. Paul was not aware of other alcoholic drinks ... see below.

"And you must remember: in Jesus' time there was only wine" That is certainly not true Gary, for there are recorrds of the production of beer in the 6th Century BC, in what is now Iraq, and 10th C BC in the UK

But distilled spirits did come much later.
---alan8566_of_uk on 11/11/09


2/2
Jesus made wine, John 2:3-11.
A curse to not have it, Isaiah 1:22, 24:11, Micah 6:15.
Used in offerings, Exodus 29:40, Numbers 15:4-10.
Used as medicine, 2Samuel 16:2, Proverbs 31:6, 1Timothy 5:23.
Made glad, Psalm 104:15, Ecclesiastes 10:19.
Was a blessing, Genesis 14:18, Proverbs 9:2, 5, Ecclesiastes 9:7, Isaiah 25:6, 55:1, Amos 9:14, Zechariah 10:7, Matthew 26:29, John 2:3-11, 1Corinthians 10:16.
Drunkenness forbidden: Esther 1:10-12, Proverbs 20:1, 23:29-35, 31:4-5, Isaiah 5:11, 28:7, Hosea 4:11, Joel 3:3, Amos 6:6, Luke 21:34, Romans 13:13, Ephesians 5:18, 1Timothy 3:8, Titus 1:7.
Tabernacle Priests, Leviticus 10:9. Nazarites, Numbers 6:3.
---Glenn on 11/11/09


Bible says take a little wine for thy stomachs sake & that is all it says. All of the other alco-liquids Is out of the question.
---Lawrence on 11/10/09


A Christian can partake of drink, but never with the intention of getting drunk. And you must remember: in Jesus' time there was only wine--nothing hard like whiskey or bourbon or vodka.
---Gary_L. on 6/22/07


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The bible teaches: avoid the very appearance of evil. Alcohol is an evil everyone should avoid like the plague. It altars the mind, giving Satan an open door to our thoughts. It destroys families, health, brain cells, the liver. That one temptation leads to adultery, fornication, murder, lies, deceit, theft, etc. We can drink wine that is pure and unfermented. It contains oxydents that purify the body. Satan mixes truth with error. He says drink alcohol, not God.
---ashley on 6/16/07


I do not think it is wrong for a Christian to have a drink on occasion. It is when we are out of control with it that it becomes sin, in my opinion.
---maryj9396 on 6/15/07


**To see what you're up against read 1 Ki 22:22 (v1-40).**

To see what you're up against, Goeff, read John 2, about the Lord's first public miracle.
---Jack on 6/15/07


John, saying "If I have a glass of wine I am not deceived by it" is evidence of how deceptive it really is. To see what you're up against read 1 Ki 22:22 (v1-40). I will give you texts, but 1st, generally, the Bible discourages strong drink. Only a superficial reading of Dt 14:26 may suggest it's OK, but it doesn't. Also, you can't build a correct & complete understanding on only 1 text-Is 28:10. What is the proper use of this poison & carcinogen?
---Geoff on 6/13/07


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Mary...I do not live in Vegas now. My husband and I lived and ministered there for many years. It was not hard to live there once I turned my life 100% to the Lord. Living in Vegas is no different than any place else in the US. The temptations are the same. There is nothing in Vegas that isn't everywhere in the world. We live in a small town in Arizona now, but our ministries are the same as they were in Vegas. There are people in need of Jesus everywhere in the world.
---Susie on 6/12/07


Hi Susie; wow you live in Vegas?! God bless you; that must be harder even to be a Christian in Vegas than in small town suburbia--like where I live lol! It's beginning to grow like Vegas but so far no casinos and giant buildings lol :D Anyway, God bless you sister :)
---Mary on 6/12/07


Priests in OT were Commanded to abstain "lest ye die"

Christ abstained as Priest. Seems Jesus was of Judah and Levi through David & Bathsheeba via Solomon

Bathsheeba's dad is Ammiel, called Eliam 1chr4:4, 2Sm11:3

Ammiel listed as Levite 1chr26:5, 1chr26:17

Note "Solomon Sacrificed" in the temple and "Fire Came down from Heaven and consumed" the sacrifice. Only Levites performed this service in the Temple

Jesus abstained and so should we.
---TS on 6/11/07


Don't get me wrong. I have drank in the past, but it was never a problem. I see nothing wrong with drinking alcohol as long as it is not out of control. When I began ministering for the Lord, I chose not to drink or gamble (living in Vegas) so that I would be a better witness for the Lord. The Holy Spirit convicted me that I didn't need to be living a lie.
---Susie on 6/11/07


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Deputy: In answer to your question. A few months blogging on Christianet but have been a part of Christianet for over 5 years. I mostly dealt with penpals section and the prayer section, in the past. I am sorry you feel I am hard. That is your opinion. Not mine. Sometimes you have to be hard to get people to see the error of their ways and mistakes.Yes---that goes for us all.You want to always speak in love but sometimes, that is not possible. Be blessed.
---Robyn on 6/10/07


Susie, what a shame that your mother's doctor did not offer her help in dealing with her anxiety, but instead suggested an addictive way to cope with her emotions. My father was an alcoholic, so I understand the pain of growing up with a parent who is that way. Praise the Lord that He offers us a way up and out of such a life.
---Madison1101 on 6/10/07


It may not say , in the Bible, not to drink alcohol, only not to drink in excess. It does say, however, in 1 Thessalonians 5:22, to,"Abstain from every appearance of evil." So, if the world perceives drinking to be something a christian should't do, it is an appearance of evil. Therefore, to drink alcohol wouldn't seem to be the christian thing to do. It also says in 1 Corinthians 6:19 that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Would God allow drinking alcohol in the temple?
---Lori on 6/9/07


Hi Susie; I'm sorry about your mom's struggles; that must've been very painful to witness. Addiction is definitely not pretty--I wasn't too pretty a sight as an addict either. I wish I were more like you though; since I quit drinking, I take probably more tranquilizers than I should; I need to grow in Christ a lot more.
---Mary on 6/9/07


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There are 150/200 calories per glass of beer, 7 days a week totals well between 1000/1400 without making planned allowances for it, Your drinking beer will only add pounds to your weight and is a well known addictive beverage. If you are above a certain weight you could make better choices with your calories to benefit from better health by replacing it with healthy foods, fruit and veg. I doubt if any health care adviser would give that kind of advice here in England!
---Carla5754 on 6/9/07


Robyn; no my Dr believes in God. He has told me that God had his hand upon me because my right kidney had been shut down for at least 4 years, and I didn't get sick not once from it. I rely on God for everything. But even God wants us to use common sense. If there is medicine out there to help me with my kidney problems, I'm going to try it. If God didn't want us to go to Doctors, then he wouldn't have made a way for them to know all about the human body and how to take care of it.
---Rebecca_D on 6/9/07


there is nothing wrong with alcohol..it is how man misuse it to get stupid n drunk. I drink wine with my husband at home before a meal and I enjoy drinking of the fruit of the vine. One glass of red wine is heaps for me..I dont see anything wrong with that when I am with my husband only..we enjoy each others company..
---jana on 6/9/07


Robyn, for a name that is relatively new, you're very familiar with everyone's status.
I would say you've been here a long, long time.
---DePuTy on 6/8/07


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Robyn - you're Kathr, aren't you?
Old habits die hard, or should I say, no matter how many names/personnas you invent, your hardness always comes back out towards others. You can't help yourself.
---DePuTy on 6/8/07


RebeccaD: I asked if he was born again because a lot of doctors do not even believe in God. They may tell us(christians)to do anything, which you guessed it, is always something wordly and unchristian. I have a doctor but the last authority over my health is, you guessed it! Jesus Christ! I refuse to let these Dr's load me up with pills I do not need and other silly advice. I read the Word of God first and follow that. I have nothing against doctors. But Dr Jesus is my highest authority.
---Robyn on 6/8/07


When you put on the mind of Christ you will understand these type things. There may not always be a scripture that says; do this and do that. You just know or ask The Holy Spirit to open your mind on this. The bible tells us strong drink bites like an adder, it stings, it makes one's eyes red, is a mocker, and basically stay away from it. What more do you need to know? Stay away from it.
---Robyn on 6/8/07


At one time my mother was taking tranquilizers years ago for nerve problems. She asked the doctor to get off them. He advised that she drink one beer a night instead of taking the pills. Within a few months she was constantly drunk as that one beer turned into bourbon. We must be very careful what we put into our body whether you are Christian or not. I've never needed anything but the Holy Spirit to help me deal with stress.
---Susie on 6/8/07


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RebeccaD: I simply posted scripture from God's Word. If that bothers you take it up with God.
---TS on 6/8/07


Cranberry juice is good for the bladder and UTI's. But hard on the kidney's. Water is good as well, but if a person drinks alot of water, they can drown themselves. (because the body can only hold so much water). Robyn; What difference does it make if my Urologist is borned again? TS; Lev 10:9 says don't drink a strong drink in the tabernacle (church). don't worry about me drinking a beer, I believe it is wrong for me to drink anything with alochol in God's eyes. So please stop harping on me.
---Rebecca_D on 6/7/07


** RebeccaD - Have you thought of going to another Urologist for a second opinion? **

I don't know about Helen, but I have heard this FROM urologists and other physicians, that there is something in beer, cranberry juice, and other highly acidic fruit juices that curbs the forming of kidney stones and helps dissolve those that have formed.
---Jack on 6/7/07


New Testament, 1Pet2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, an holy nation, a peculiar people that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light"

Lev10:8 "And the LORD spake unto Aaron (LEVITES, ROYAL PRIESTHOOD) saying, Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations"
---TS on 6/7/07


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RebeccaD - Have you thought of going to another Urologist for a second opinion? The beer and cranberry juice thing sounds a bit strange.
---Helen_5378 on 6/6/07


Ryan Z is right. Ephesians 5:18 says, "do not get DRUNK with wine..."

It doesn't say don't drink wine. But just by using common sense a person will know if that will cause him or her to stumble.

Drink beer isn't a sin, getting drunk is.
---Rickey on 6/6/07


Robyn, it does not matter if Rebecca's urologist is born again. I know plenty of born again Christians who have a glass of wine, or a beer on occassion. What matters to Rebecca is the urologist's qualifications to practice medicine, and treat her for her kidney problems.
---Madison1101 on 6/6/07


Robyn2: I am a recovering alcoholic, and I have no issue with others who drink on occassion, unless they have a history of addictions or alcoholism. I also have no problem is a believer drinks socially, or in private. My alcoholism is curbed, and I have not had a drink in almost 6 years.

I have worked in rehabs and I currently work in a psychiatric hospital with alcoholics and understand addictions in depth.
---Madison1101 on 6/6/07


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Now, everyone else. beer is made from hops and yeast. two ingredients that are major contributors to clogged arteries leading to stroke and heart attacks. It is also pure sugar leading to diabetes. just look at the bellies on drinkers. it creates fat cells that cannot be broken down without years of abstinance and exercise. a glass of unfermented wine contains oxidents that clean toxins from your body. alcohol kills! it destroys brain cells leading to MS and other diseases.
---ashley on 6/6/07


RebeccaD: Is your urologist born again? I also heard cranberry juice was good for the kidneys. Just a matter of taste, I guess. I would not touch alcohol, now. I use to drink --not anymore. I dont want any. For what? I have heard a glass of wine could protect you from a heart attack. Don't know.I still say...leave it alone. It is a demon.
---Robyn on 6/6/07


Drink if you must, but beware when something evil comes out of it. Don't say you were not warned. You need to check your motives as to why you want to drink. Jesus is more than enough to fill that empty spot you are trying to fill. Jesus satisfies and without the ugly effects. No good comes from drinking,especially heavy drinking. Perhaps a glass of light wine. That's it, but some persons cannot digest even that. Leave it alone.
---Robyn on 6/6/07


I was told by my Urologist to drink one beer a day, to help flush out my kidney. And to stay away from cranberry juice, it has some kind of ingredient that can add to kidney stones. I've seriously thought about drinking a bottle of beer a day. I've tried everything else, so why not?
---Rebecca_D on 6/6/07


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**Did Jesus not say that anything that glorifies Him is of Him. **

You can't get around the simple Biblical facts that:

1. Jesus's first miracle was making several hundred gallons of wine--FERMENTED, not mere grape juice.

2. The Last Supper and Passover ritual required the use of wine.
---Jack on 6/6/07


Ashley. Misuse of automobiles have killed people to. Do you also agree to their abstinence? Don't you think it's the peoples' misuse of these things that causes the death?
It would be helpful if you read Deut. 14 and you will see that God allowed wine and strong drink to be consumed. As with automobiles, alcohol has never killed or destroyed anything, it is the people who abuse them that do that.
---john on 6/6/07


Geoff. If I have a glass of wine I am not deceived by it. I get deceived if I drank too much. Why do you think God himself said it was okay to have strong drink and wine in Deut 14:26? The Bible doesn't teach total abstinence, it teaches proper use.
---john on 6/6/07


Our body is a temple of God. The Holy Ghost will not reside in an unclean place. Use common sense. Alcohol has destroyed millions of families, Did Jesus not say that anything that glorifies Him is of Him. Alcohol kills. It destroys faith. We are not to partake of anything that altars our judgment or opens the door for satan to tempt us. many sins are a direct result of drunkeness. adultery, fornication, etc. alcohol is addictive like heroin. ask an alcoholic if they would have taken the first drink.
---ashley on 6/6/07


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Robyn raises a good point: "same for smoking." Surely no one in this day & age would dare say a little cig is good for you, although it was once thought to be (can you believe it?)

John, Prov 20:1 says "whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."

Congratulations, Mary, on 3 yrs sobriety! I pray you will stay strong & never be deceived by alcohol again. God gives victory! Phil 2:13, 4:13.
---Geoff on 6/6/07


Hi Ryan; I mostly agree with what you said, but can I just add one thing? The term "gluttonous alcoholic" is quite insulting, yet I kind of understand. If I were not an alcoholic, I wouldn't feel compelled to drink "gluttonly" but that's part of the sickness of alcoholism. By the way, I am sober now, 3 years, praise God :)
---Mary on 6/5/07


I also just want to say, I'm happy for those whom God has taken away their desire for liquor, but some of us He chooses not to. Those like me tend to feel inferior to those who've been delivered of all desire for it, but really, God works through us a different way. We can relate to the struggling without judgement--we know it's hard at times to stay sober. Just my two cents
---Mary on 6/5/07


Geoff. Prov 20:1 does not say it is unwise to use it. It says it is unwise to be deceived by it. You are twisting that Scripture to meet your own personal belief system.
---john on 6/5/07


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The sin is in getting drunk/tipsy not in the drinking. Same for smoking. It is just unhealthy and bad for the body. Heavy drinking and smoking is unbecoming for a Christian. I think. It weakens our witness and testimony for Christ.
---Robyn on 6/5/07


Dear Clarence, here are a few verses you may have missed:
Prov 20:1, it's not wise to use it
Prov 23:29-35, you'll be sorry
Prov 31:6, given to the perishing
Mk 15:23, yet dieing, Jesus wouldn't drink
1 Cor 6:19-20, 10:31, our temples are for glorifying God, not abuse

Notlaw came close, but fruit juice was used by early missionaries instead of contaminated water to avoid sickness (like malaria)-1 Tm 5:23. There's a difference between fermented & unfermented wine.
---Geoff on 6/5/07


I agree with you that the Bible warns against drunkenness, not drinking, therefore I believe that the decision to consume alcohol is between an individual and God. We must be careful though not to cause our brother to stumble - alcohol abuse/addiction is rampant in our society today. Also, we must think of what image we are projecting (are we avoiding the appearance of evil?). Ex. Are we at home having a glass of wine with a meal, or at a bar drinking? Also to think about - will it affect your witness?
---LL on 6/5/07


It is wrong for me to drink. I can's speak for everyone else. Because their ways of thinking are different. When I got saved, God took that desire to drink away. I drink of the new wine (Holy Ghost) now. If you feel and believe it is wrong, then don't drink at all. But don't harp on someone else if they drink every now and then. If one drinks alot, that is when it becomes wrong.
---Rebecca_D on 6/5/07


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Hi Clarence; yeah, it isn't a sin to drink some alcohol (unless you are an alcoholic or are convicted in that area). I would just say, though, to be careful who you drink in front of. You never know when someone is an alcoholic that still wants that drink--even a Christian. I love the Lord but I fight the urge to drink almost daily.
---Mary on 6/5/07


I agree with you Clarence. At least most of us agree on one thing, that drunkeness is a sin.
---john on 6/5/07


Clarence, I would tend to agree with you from a scriptural stand point. The sin is abuse; wine was consumed because water supplies were not trustworthy to be disease free in the ancient world. But we know form modern medical science there is a genetic predisposition for alcoholism and the only effective remedy is abstinence for those with that problem until we can effectively address the genetic problem. The over riding ramifications of alcohol miss use are social/criminal in nature.
---notlaw99 on 6/5/07


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